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6801  Economy / Reputation / Re: Legendary account seller on: January 27, 2019, 01:37:23 AM
So you want a strict criteria of how lenders can operate or be red tagged?
If I give a loan to someone that has another outstanding loan I will get tagged for it?
I will get tagged if I don't place a neutral on the account that has an outstanding loan?
I can't give an anonymous, non-public, loan without getting tagged?
Okay first let me show you a post from a DT (xtraelv):
Account sales / purchase / taking an account as collateral
Which means if a lender takes account as collateral then lenders will be tagged. In this situation, there should have a solution either lender will take account as collateral or not. As it is already solved that account trader will be tagged. So now account trading is rare and if happen that is secretly(except only a few).
So, if taking account as collateral is untrustworthy for what lender will get negative trust. So, there should have few rules to avoid taking account as collateral as well as minimize loan default and scammed for trading reversible payment.

I'd absolutely love it if Theymos banned certain things on bitcointalk, and account sales are near the top of my list (scamming would take the #1 spot).  If account sales were banned, chances are that lenders might become reluctant to accept them as loan collateral.
If it happened then we would be able to reduce scam both on loan as well as currency exchange. And account trading will reduce at least 96%.
6802  Economy / Reputation / Re: Legendary account seller on: January 26, 2019, 11:50:44 PM
I see +2 on that account. Got to do some research, I guess.
I saw +3 as we still not created scam accusation waiting for his response.

Why is it so hard to take valid collateral and not someone's reputation/age/etc?
It is the easiest way to avoid a scam. But few people who really need a loan and doesn't have valid collateral (the only altcoin is valid collateral according to me), lenders usually consider that (I think). I have seen several Reputed members even DT1 took a loan without collateral. And maximum reputed members are very honest. For example: actmyname asked for a loan of 0.25BTC without collateral where 2 people send so total received 0.5BTC. actmyname refunded 2nd sender. And repaid early to the first person. I also gave actmyname a loan of 0.25BTC without collateral and repaid on time as usual.
6803  Economy / Reputation / Re: Legendary account seller on: January 26, 2019, 11:39:04 PM
a lender that does this and ends up selling the account is knowingly scamming the next person (as it will get tagged on sight).
I am exactly at the same point as you.

Is there really a need for someone to accept loan requests that involve accounts? If you claim so, then explain why it is absolutely necessary.

As of my 3 examples above scammed could be stopped if the account was on collateral. Or at least 2nd person could stay away scamming. My opinion is that account can be taken as collateral only to stop more scamming, nothing else. Should not trade the account as grtthegreat did. Though grtthegreat not tagged I am not forcing anyone to tag or stay away from tagging. But base on other cases he should be done so.

Are you saying that unsecured loans are risky?
Yes, that is risky for both the current lenders as well as other lenders also buy of reversed payment eg: skril/neteller/paypal etc.

That's shocking but still not a good excuse for account trading, not to mention all the other potential shenanigans.
I am also on the same point as you. I am also against account trading.
If you want to give out unsecured or poorly secured loans - take the risk yourself, don't push it on the community.
It is right that we should give the loan for unsecured collateral or poorly secured collateral on our own risk. But as you know all people are not on the same vessel. Few people give a loan while there is another active loan or take reversible payment. Which make looser for both person.
6804  Economy / Lending / Regarding account as collateral! on: January 26, 2019, 11:19:18 PM
Hey, Lenders stop taking account as collateral otherwise you will be tagged. Also while giving loan please keep consideration this type of rule until forum moderator/DT to save you and us (the bitcointalk community).

1. Account can't be used as collateral
= If so, then any lender cant take multiple loans at the same time and also would not be able to sell anything which can be reversed.
Lenders will give neutral trust once give a loan. And will not give any loan if there is an active loan which can be seen on neutral trust. If lenders or Borrowers break the rules then they/s/he will get negative trust by DT.
6805  Economy / Reputation / Re: Legendary account seller on: January 26, 2019, 11:14:30 PM
There are too many posts here for account trading and taking account as collateral. Many days ago I contacted two DT regarding taking account as collateral. Their opinion was not to trade the account. Before posting more I want to say I am also a lender and took account as collateral. But today I saw it was against DT's opinion I already changed my lending terms.

As account trader cant be a trusted person we (lenders if trade any account then we should not be a trusted person too.)
If so why lenders will take into account as collateral:
My opinion regarding this is to prevent more scam. Let me tell you, how?
When someone takes a loan latter can take another loan by few minutes where all discussion will be in pm then will make public posts and then took a loan. In this case, 2 people will be looser.
For example: pinkman12345 took a loan 0.2BTC from mdayonliner and then took 0.25BTC from TucoRamirez source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=288496 so for taking multiple loans borrower became greedy and left his/her account for negative. But if it was used as collateral then the 2nd person could stay safe also there was a chance to stay safe.

And incident happens with me and zazarb: meatmeat took two loans from us and flew. We could prevent this scam if we took the account as collateral.

Let me give you another example but different situation: Real14Hero took a loan from tracyspacy and then sold amazon gift card and didn't give that. Source: Real14Hero is scammer.

In this situation, I want to make 2 appeals where anyone should be accepted. But it will depend on other reputed members, forum moderators, DT etc.

1. Account can't be used as collateral
= If so, then any lender cant take multiple loans at the same time and also would not be able to sell anything which can be reversed.
Lenders will give neutral trust once give a loan. And will not give any loan if there is an active loan which can be seen on neutral trust. If lenders or Borrowers break the rules then they/s/he will get negative trust by DT.

2. The account can be used as collateral:
= If so, lenders will be responsible for trading that account. If seen any account trading then all accounts buyer/seller/sold account will be tagged.

Mine prefer method 1. Let's see what is saying by reputed forum members/DT/Moderators.


If any method cant set then what can happen:
= In this case, many people will not be able to take loan while urgency but has no altcoin as collateral. And/or lenders and traders (not account trader) will be scammed more.
6806  Economy / Reputation / Re: Is it Merit abuse? on: January 26, 2019, 09:41:17 PM
I don't think your proof is sufficient. Only giving merit each other can't proof merit abuse or merit trader. I think you should obtain more info if possible.
If they are alts they will be tagged for sending merits to alts. I can't prove yet, that fakegurutu is an alt, but it's very fishy.
At least hisori and sham100899 are alts because they used same BTC address.

Let's wait how DT decides if fakegurutu is another alt of hisori/sham100899.
Okay. I think below information might be helpful for you.
Both are from Pilipinas. Archive: sham100899 and fakegurutu
Also, both person uses all small letters. Which you can see from the above archive.
Edit:
fakegurutu sent 3 merit to sham100899 at 6/6/2018 4:29:58 AM and
sham100899 sent 2 merit to fakegurutu 6/6/2018 4:36:41 AM That means merit exchanged only within 7 merits.
Both are using the same platform of bitcoin wallet. sham100899 and fakegurutu
6807  Economy / Reputation / Re: Is it Merit abuse? on: January 26, 2019, 09:28:29 PM
I don't think your proof is sufficient. Only giving merit each other can't proof merit abuse or merit trader. I think you should obtain more info if possible.
6808  Economy / Services / Re: Hhampuz Campaign Management & Escrow Service | Available Now! on: January 26, 2019, 08:48:46 PM
Portfolio updated. I'm still Available!
Congrats for running 6 projects at a time where all projects are being paid/ will be paid on BTC and LTC which I have not seen running by annyone until now but is running by you.
6809  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTS] PayPal and [WTB] BTC/LTC/ETH/ETC on: January 26, 2019, 06:19:29 PM
Post Archived at 13th December 2019: https://archive.md/YauW7#selection-551.0-577.255
6810  Economy / Currency exchange / [Exchange] USDT/BTC/LTC/ETH/ETC/PM on: January 26, 2019, 06:19:14 PM
You_will_send You will receiveMinimumMy ChargeTransaction FeeAvailable Fund
BitcoinPayPal50$0%5% or 4.99$ if non-usa0$
LTC/ETH/ETC/PMPayPal50$0%5% or 4.99$ if non-usa0$
BitcoinWebmoney1$3% Min 3$ fee1%500$
LTC/ETH/ETC/PMWebmoney1$4% Min 4$ fee1%500$
BTC/LTC/ETH/ETC/PMSkrill/Neteller5$10% Min 6$ fee1.45%1000$
BTC/LTC/ETH/ETC/PMPayoneer50$10% Min 6$ fee0%1000$
6811  Economy / Lending / Re: Need 0.06 BTC. on: January 26, 2019, 05:17:43 PM
OP is who he claims to be, I am in contact with him. I don't think he is wanting to scam. That said, he would find it hard to get a loan now.
Okay, then can you please tell why you have no proof of the current active loan? Why there is no post or no trust rating on OP's profile.
6812  Economy / Lending / Re: Need 0.06 BTC. on: January 26, 2019, 04:57:56 PM
What happened: OP is trying to scam!
Why I am thinking that?:
Before your judgment please read my full post where I will provide several reasons behind my thinking.
1. Op has an open loan. See prof from archive link: https://archive.fo/AYRXG#selection-6175.0-6293.66
2. Op has taken a loan but there is no proof on his posts: https://archive.fo/qPdr0
3. There is a long gap according to op it is for his health issue. See archive: https://archive.fo/qPdr0#selection-513.0-513.297 But I do not think it is correct I think OP is lying. Why do I think so? Let me describe: Op received negative trust on 2016-09-21 but then game-protect was not a DT so op continued to use bitcointalk forum. But later game-protect became DT so op marked as a scammer and stopped to use bitcointalk forum by this profile. And recently game-protect excluded from DT so O again active and trying to take a loan and then flew away. Where already an open active loan which already told and still trying to take a loan. There might have more reason I will update more once I find them.
4. Op has no staked BTC address or removed those and as a result OP cant proof ownership by signing bitcoin signature.
5. After a long gap, Op started posting and all post to take loan.
6. Op is trying to take a loan by giving the account as collateral or without collateral.
6813  Economy / Lending / Re: Need 0.06 BTC. on: January 26, 2019, 04:29:28 PM
Fair enough - I will add some trust. The loan is from a while ago.

Are you saying the OP already has an outstanding loan with you and is here asking for another?
You are right and I am sure Op is trying to scam. I will give an update regarding the scam attempt in less than an hour.
6814  Economy / Lending / Re: Need 0.06 BTC. on: January 26, 2019, 04:21:12 PM
Waiting on repayment, all good otherwise.
You are too much reputed and you are a higher ranked and also old member than me. But you gave a loan and you have not given any trust rating why? The op has no proof that you gave a loan. In this case, any lender may consider op as fresh and then allow loan and this way by taking multi-loan op can do scam. Please always try to give neutral trust once you give a loan to any person and on this way you can save yourself as well as other community members.
6815  Economy / Lending / Re: Lending Service Started! (BTC/LTC/ETH/DOGE/ETC)! on: January 26, 2019, 03:44:21 PM
Loan Amount: 0.08
Loan Purpose: personal use
Loan Repay Amount: 0.1
Loan Repay Date: 1 march 2019
Type of Collateral: account
Escrow profile Link: none
Bitcoin Address:  3DmukFLDVtYybq4TgGcUfwwQessXFy6TXo
Sorry boss base on your rank, reputation you deserve 0 satoshi. Better try to take loan from bank or from someone whom you know.
6816  Economy / Lending / Re: Need 0.06 BTC. on: January 26, 2019, 03:22:25 AM
How am I being an idiot?
Anyone can be marked as an idiot if s/he go against VINSIN. I have been marked as an idiot on the telegram, A little up of your post someone marked as an idiot. I think VINSIN is a great person who can call anyone as an idiot. So, don't be a worry for being called as an idiot by VINSIN.
6817  Economy / Lending / Re: Lending Service Started! (BTC/LTC/ETH/DOGE/ETC)! on: January 26, 2019, 01:18:04 AM
snip
Requesting loan time extension as discussed in Telegram.
Previous interest paid. TRX: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/4d3445964c0adde22496c72e6bdafc2eddd1716a3265cad23ae175987b8149a1
New terms: Prinacipal amount 0.02BTC
Interest 5% per week. if failed repay interest then interest will be 1% per day.
Next repayment date: 1st February, 2019.
6818  Economy / Lending / Re: Lending Service Started! (BTC/LTC/ETH/DOGE/ETC)! on: January 25, 2019, 07:56:24 PM
Smiley Smiley
Hello ! I need a loan again

Loan Amount: 0.20 ETH
Loan Purpose: personal expenses

Loan Repay Amount: 0.25 ETH
Loan Repay Date: 29.01.2019 or earlier

Type of Collateral: my account if required

Eth Address:     0x8d02EB339eBaEdFc6c058066cB30Fc9D20aDf14A
Loan request accepted.
ETH sent.
TRX: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x55fa3fdfe1f7f438a4d21537ee76eccc956fd1bdeab3446b7be0b229110704ca
Repayment Address: 0x032e9A4385e850C7cC912Ff59B1f47B71B9C75BE
6819  Economy / Lending / Re: Lending Service Started! (BTC/LTC/ETH/DOGE/ETC)! on: January 25, 2019, 02:21:10 PM
Loan Amount: BTC0.06
Loan Purpose: Trading
Loan Repay Amount: BTC0.072
Loan Repay Date: 25.02.2019 or earlier
Type of Collateral: My account
BTC Address: 1J4YGjWGyWSQ1U8VCTUeXn3XqMxiUhheZ7
Sorry but I have tried my known way but in my known way, I could not verify it that's why I am rejecting your loan request.
6820  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Fake coinbase email on: January 24, 2019, 04:31:03 PM
Well, it's not even similar to email from Coinbase. Coinbase message looks different. For example, background color is light blue, not dark blue. But I'm sure that more or less people have fallen in this scam. Because people sometimes are really naive, others just don't have experience in crypto world to realize that's scam attempt. I'm on phone now, so I can't check ballance of these wallets, but I'm sure it's not empty.
On BTC 0 Transaction: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1DmJnCFmkX9dx7WD6hWio47bP1ZZFsXwzT
On ETH 0 transaction: https://ethplorer.io/address/0x236d1ab817acac30d573f541f7c51200d91b51a2#pageSize=100
ETC 0 transaction: http://gastracker.io/addr/0x887A2a703E2A7422b74098E0bB5CFe81Fd384A9
So I think still not received any dollar and no one has been scammed.
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