It then gets posted on the forum and you're accused of being a paedophille until you return the money .

The trust system is just another guide to help you make your mind up about a user and to detail the trading history of that person. It's mainly there for newbs really and active members will likely know who to trust or not without it anyway. I don't think it's broken but it could do with some extra attention and/or tweaking. I usually find the majority of people that complain about it only do so when they've fallen foul of it in some way (and mostly it's their own fault - scamming or abusing it etc) but parties that obviously do abuse it in whatever ways should be scutinised and held to account for it.

Why? If you're getting into escrow here to make money you're doing it for all the wrong reasons. Most escrows do it for free but get small tips every now and again. It's more about helping the community than making a living off of it.

Agreed. Vod isn't really helping the situation here and this is just going to add fuel to the fire and perpetuate this entire commotion.


The Default trust list is moderated in the sense that theymos and those on it can remove and add people, but feedback left usually isn't. The trust list works by adding those who appear trustworthy and removing those that don't (or cannot handle the responsibility of being on there).

Sign up date is also irrelevant if you don't make at least one post in each of the two week periods so those 30 posts you've done today aren't going to get you more than 14 activity points. You can get another 14 on the 20th.

Yeah, and also scammers obviously aren't going to use this only trustworthy people, or worse people who want to appear trustworthy.


Yeah exactly. If you're 'ignoring' someone it might be a good idea to, you know, actually ignore them. You may be ignoring vod but he isn't ignoring you and is free to comment.

Most inteligent people didn't trust Candy and his alts far before he ever got negative feedback. And people will deal with you, they just won't send first. Use escrow and I can't see why someone wouldn't want to take your money (unless it's on something that could be reversed at a later point).

Yeah, they just copy someone else's post from earlier in a big thread so to appear as if they're putting some effort in when clearly the only effort they're making is a couple of clicks to copy and paste - or even worse using bots to do it for them (but this guy probably wasn't).

I was going to tell you to make more posts like this:


And not ones like these:



But something didn't really add up seeing as your language is completely different and you barely speak English in the others. Then I saw this:


Well done. You've just got yourself banned. 

They have lost ~19'000 bitcoin , due to their mistake.

Ha, pretty funny considering redsnow was complaining about this feedback he received recently. Too bad Bitstamp don't have a BadBear to save them from their 'mistake'.  

The rates were given as an example only. They will be different. PD is currently only open to Staff but with the re-launch it will be opened up to other Membergroups but likely not all of them. At least the few higher ranks.

Nothing to stop you or anyone else. I encourage the discussion of alternative models but people will ever agree on one and there will always be issues. I can't envision any feedback system that will work anywhere near perfectly here.

Ha, nice try covering your tracks  . Seriously, was wondering whether you didn't realise everyone else couldn't see it.


Same. I am all for suggestions for improvements or even an entirely new system, but I don't think this is it. I commend theymos for trying though. It's not an easy task to try create a new system workable/ideal or not but even with its few flaws the current system is probably the best solution.


But the list is already compiled of (largely) trustable people from the community so it's hard to go wrong. Newbs just joining wont know who to add at all, but once they get the gist of the current system they can add and remove people as they like.

Maybe around 1.5-3 btc? Possibly more depending on feedback and its position on the trustlist. Ask Quickseller he knows more about the value of accounts and may be interested in it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=704370.0

What if BadBear is feeding us false information in an attempt to swing the vote in his favour so he can keep hold of his defaulttrust tyranny?  


They could and I'm sure theymos will take that into consideration and/or look out for abuse.

You sure seem to be making grand assumptions about how fatigued the staff are. I suspect you're projecting your frustration and fatigue with the community rather than the staff's viewpoint. It doesn't cause more harm, you just felt the force of it after doing something you thought you were entitled to. A completely neglected system would let anyone with minor or petty gripes get what they want, as in the attempt in your case.


But sometimes mummy and daddy need to get involved when children get out of hand and can't play nice.


That's what you hoped. And Amis might be still marked with negative but it's untrusted and people will now disregard it once they see who it's from.

Seriously I'm done with your whole fiasco. What do you actually attempt to get out of this? All you're doing is making yourself look bad and making people respect you less and less.


From who? I'm sure BadBear will remove it once your current escrows cease and you don't start a new service. Maybe Quickseller will remove or neutralise his over time.

How can we view the results or is it just admins?

I'm not sure he's the one who needs to be checking IQ. You don't need to know anything about bitcoin to take advantage of what will likely happen in the remittance market. There will be remittance companies that will do that for you and give you your cash just like western union do except they can cut a decent chunk off fees in doing so. Of course you could always do it yourself as well and cut fees even more. It's not hard to use the blockchain.info app on your smartphone.

I tend to agree, though people should be given a chance to improve (which Joca has already had in this case but the fact he's depending on a loan adds complications). Some signature campaigns do state being banned will cause you to forfeit payment but it's a hard rule for them to enforce as the operators don't usually have access to ban information unless a thread like this gets made.

I doubt it and I don't think you should be proposing deals that are likely going to give him false hope or will likely be agreed to by BadBear. He probably only needs to get back to posting to earn money to pay off his loan so removing the signature probably isn't an option for him anyway. If he wants my advice he should just wait out the ban but check back after each week and maybe BadBear may have a change of heart at some point but he is usually pretty steadfast with bans for good reason, but regardless of that you're going to have to wait out at least some of this ban and continuing to post about it here is likely only going to make it worse. I'll have a word with marco and I'm sure he will accommodate you after you return as long as you don't spam.