Yep there is still and always the divide, which is caused by trying to put the right tag on the whole scenery !!!! Was this a legitimate but highly risky buiseness adventure where people could gamble (invest) their money on (in) or was it designed right at the beginning as a defrauding scheme to enrich the perpetrators ?!!!! Why all this highly annoying discussions about ones believes and different moral standings??? Its all cheap talk! If it hasnīt been outlined because of willfully ignorance and nobody got the right to ask what will come when the money stream stops , as things are fine as long as they work--- -it has to be shown now : Facts are not that easily to ignore! The smoking gun is the distribution of the allegedly remaining funds of this failed enterprise :Where is this remnant money going in a bankrupcy  ? And where will the coins remain in a defrauding scam? ? Everybody who can answer those two questions will readily know what the mindset behind this was and what is still going on ! Get to your senses people - and stop smoke and bullshiting the facts !! Hope that there comes at least 1 single coin to bitcoinmax that i know where i participated  Cheers Zyk |
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I figured out the moralistic logic. It's all predicated upon the notion that the world's population exists in an infantile intellectual state, virtually incapable of acting independently on anything more complex than inserting food into the mouth hole. - Anything that generates a return is a scam because the operators could be misrepresenting data, especially when the business model isn't disclosed and/or is incomprehensible to the uninitiated.
- Therefore we're all scammers and should kill ourselves, except for those who screamed 'scam' because they're more human than human.
- Pirate and payb.tc should kill themselves twice, just because.
- The suicide pact shall commence during the passing of a famous asteroid.
Problem solved. The moral dictators will then be able to sit around and mentally masturbate for the rest of their lives, even though nobody else will be around to care. Maybe I can extrapolate this to education. - Pay thousands for a college education.
- Work at a company.
- Get laid off.
- Vilify the college, burn down the company.
The first and last parts are interchangeable. Makes perfect sense - about as much as the witch hunt. It's about as actionable, too. I risked and (maybe) lost. That's more than Team Ponzi can say; they need to get over their bad selves. Now it's time to get back to doing something more worthwhile than making a mockery of holier-than-thou Internet dictators. Well, I may be the sucker that lost a shitload of MY Bitcoins ...but I am not the cunt that lost OTHER PEOPLE'S Bitcoins. Quote from: payb.tc on August 27, 2012, 02:07:34 AM
i definitely rate personal responsibility way above victimism... people have noone to blame but themselves. If one of the victims had said that, I might not have replied, but if you say it, a few words are in order. i am one of the 'victims', therefore didn't bother reading the rest as the logic doesn't follow... i've lost 5300 btc. i'm sure micon and the likes will love to hear me publish my exact personal stake. but clearly, i take sole responsibility for losing those coins. edit: okay so i read a bit more of your post... if pirate doesn't pay out i've made practically nothing at all from this venture. perhaps 20 btc, haha i'm rich! As i really love theoretical and philosophical discussions about the wherewithall of ponzis, currency systems and bitcoin, i really think they should have been posted in the original OP before rather than being discussed only after the shit has hit the fan in the Bitcoinmax thread. Which mindset produces the "older accounts first"!!?? As long as it works....shut up its an investment which can go wrong...and when pirate busts the "hypothetical" remnants will
be treated as a scammers ponzi loot ? -- those in front of the chain -letter first?Can you confirm your personal responsibility by paying out those 20 coins left to " Andies coins" account before you victimize yourself please? Even pirate himself closes smaller accounts first...for not being accused to keep bitlane earily quiet ............not so much anymore? Tell us how the first hypothetical swoop of say 5300 coins would be distibuted ?Thanks for an answer to the layman Cheers Zyk P.S. I want an answer before pirate is PM éd to determine if bitcoinmax is a failed enterprise or a planed scam!!! |
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Here my two accounts: Logged in as: zyk (User #119 of 373) Balance: 7.45718104 Next Payment: 0.51454549 Logged in as: Andiescoins (User #361 of 373) Balance: 11.51955357 Next Payment: 0.79484920 so now the market even in form of Sir Rolo (the steadfastest believer in Santa Claus)...is seeing that the scheme just serves to rob the latecoming little fish in favour of the fat-cat perpetrators? People....and all together now!...we all should really think of the legitimity( already looks wrong this word ) of "the service" we got involved in.... At least the crumps of the remaining assets should be distributed evenly as its already an obvious insider scam or is it not? Thanks for listening Cheers Zyk P.S. Who, when and where is the payout - order to be fixed ? he simply transferred the risk to the customers and collected a fee unless he also deposited his own coins with pirate  that might be true if i were rich enough to own 150,000 btc. but in reality practically none of the coins are with me... almost all of them got sent to pirate to earn interest. i have less than 100 btc of these coins in my wallet. Thanks for opening up an ear and posting about accounting statistics. We can hope for but still its against all odds, as there is no fell swoop coming - what is the pay - out order of bitcoinmax?? --- please let us discuss until its fixed in the OP! Cheers Zyk
Quote from: payb.tc on July 04, 2012, 09:39:53 PM
Quote from: zyk on July 04, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
Quote from: payb.tc on July 04, 2012, 02:51:25 PM
following on from the previous post, i just want to make one point clear:
your investment is 100% exposed to BST as soon as you send it to me, regardless of where the outputs of your actual transaction get spent.
whats are your take on to what kind of service BCST is providing to its clients and therefore the risk exposure to your buiseness and that of your lenders?
Cheers Zyk
P.S. you mean if pirate goes bust you are free of returning principal ?
my take is that it works, so i don't really concern myself with trying to find out why it works. if pirate really wanted us to know, he'd tell us.
and yes i'm free of returning principal: your principal 'amount' is with BST.
an example of that would be let's say to start with i have 200 btc which i keep here:
BST wallet 100 i own 100% of these coins
My wallet 100 i own 100% of these coins
then, a bitcoinmax lender decides to invest 40 btc (sending it to MY wallet), the ownership changes immediately to:
BST wallet 100 i own 60 of these coins, and the bitcoinmax lender owns the other 40
My wallet 140 i own 100% of these coins
then if BST stops paying, i've lost 60 btc, and the bitcoinmax lender has lost 40 btc, even though the actual 40 bitcoins that he sent are still unspent in my own personal wallet.
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Quote from: muyuu on August 23, 2012, 11:48:58 PM
Quote from: myrkul on August 23, 2012, 11:45:29 PM
Participate in the panic selling. He'll pick 'em up cheap.
I will participate in the panic buying
i'm going to do a bit of panic holding.
mostly just holding though, not so much of the panicking.
Quote from: hgmichna on August 27, 2012, 10:19:06 PM Quote from: payb.tc on August 27, 2012, 02:07:34 AM
i definitely rate personal responsibility way above victimism... people have noone to blame but themselves. If one of the victims had said that, I might not have replied, but if you say it, a few words are in order. i am one of the 'victims', therefore didn't bother reading the rest as the logic doesn't follow... i've lost 5300 btc. i'm sure micon and the likes will love to hear me publish my exact personal stake. but clearly, i take sole responsibility for losing those coins. edit: okay so i read a bit more of your post... if pirate doesn't pay out i've made practically nothing at all from this venture. perhaps 20 btc, haha i'm rich! As i really love theoretical and philosophical discussions about the wherewithall of ponzis, currency systems and bitcoin, i really think they should have been posted in the original OP before rather than being discussed only after the shit has hit the fan in the Bitcoinmax thread. Which mindset produces the "older accounts first"!!?? As long as it works....shut up its an investment which can go wrong...and when pirate busts the "hypothetical" remnants will be treated as a scammers ponzi loot ? -- those in front of the chain -letter first? Can you confirm your personal responsibility by paying out those 20 coins left to " Andies coins" account before you victimize yourself please? Even pirate himself closes smaller accounts first...for not being accused to keep bitlane earily quiet  Tell us how the first hypothetical swoop of say 5300 coins would be distibuted ? Thanks for an answer to the layman Cheers Zyk |
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ZYK is a Maria sock puppet.
Sorry maria and zyk. a baseless accusation.
Noticed and wholeheartedly accepted, this is how real men behave! Thanks BCB |
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but there is evidence and prove that "URSAY" lies !!! and all pissed off people as well, they can piss off after an excuse but not before ! ! and not only "as so far " they are convicted liers!! Cause there is not a chance in hell that i donīt stand my word and even more so completly unconcievable that anybody is scamed by me ! ( am no pirate ) The guy called starsoccer in bitcoinary has got 1 day for an excuse and after that is called "Senhor lying goalkeeper by me!"  Cheers Zyk |
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some 3 coins from him in escrow... his pseudo is Xeser right now in bitcoinary who is starsoccer in bitcoinary in here please? Cheers Zyk (here , there and everywhere ) |
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He also uses this e- mail : gaswin15@hotmail.comand is an advanced scammer even in neteller!! Cheers Zyk |
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Would be able to contribute to this case as well, if he doesnīt react.
Cheers Zyk,
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ZYK is a Maria sock puppet.
See what I mean. It never ends. Idiots fall of the trees inside this forest. I have not only made many successful transactions on bitcoinary but also made a few friends down the road. That alone is worth more than any BTC made in any trade. Bitcoinary is the only platform that allows this. I have never made a friend using Mtgox, probably some enemies. Million Dollar Maria. Oh my oh my, million dollar maritating Maria... How lucky i would be to even get to her socks But the puppet should at least get a PM when surpassing a hundred or the latest when overtaking twice his masters trades. Even trees donīt grow to the sky...otherwise fallers would be all dead....and that nobody can really hope for Cheers Zyk |
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Thank you Apollon for the offer of extension but may i rather add that its not because of anything failing but instead, even with 3 hands tied to my back its still going so well that my faithful lenders get the option to earn an extra 3 % on top of the 7 % already commited for small slices of risk on hassle but never on payment nor principal neither interest !! Cheers Zyk |
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Hi Victor,
thank you, 42 BTC already returned to 12ZqdiQPMY3hRifYPzZeEuG32p5MU5xeJt , please confirm:
d85b1ddeba4acd8856d74aade585d497adf69e42c868eef81eb30067a37cf8c8
Cheers Zyk
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URSAY yep , when trying to lay out the truth you really tried hard but failed miserably !!!
Calling me a scammer ( at least you didnīt dare in here yet - i recognize ) is an outright lie as you do in bitcoinary.
Who failed is Ursay trying to buy one coin for 10.25 $ because he is not able to click the right buttons in bitcoinary.
Heīd rather kill the possibility for all other people to get coins cheaply --- what kind of emotional neglect must you
be suffering for generating this much bad energy. Hope youīll find out one day.
All the best
Zyk
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Hey cool, never could have thought of so much fun coming out of the hassle with you Ursay Thank you after all and thank you Maria that you give a sign of live after an endless month off silence, when not in bitcoinary then at least in the new "Zyk the scammer thread" Is there some Angst coming up if people need to cope with reality, when the smoke and mirror feel so much warmer and fuzzier?? Facts are facts and thats the deal.......even if we all like speculating......unfounded accusations are facts too but only are what they are: UNFOUNDED and should have to be proven with more then "i donīt understand what this guy talks about, donīt like this guy, annoyment, i heard that another one heard that i heard somthing in the "i hurt Thread" But with inbreading thatzs possibly too much for me to hope for Thank you all after all making our BITCOIN COMMUNNITY AS INTERESTING AS IT ISCheers Zyk |
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Telling people to put their money where their mouth is is not pressuring them to gamble, it's pressuring them to stop being a douche.
Matthew, do you still want to bet that pirate will pay back his debt? I can't believe this, but if you really want, I'll bet. Let's use the Vandroiy bet terms. They are well thought out and have been finely honed over the course of a week, if I remember that correctly. If Vandroiy wins his BTC5,000, then you will pay me. If Vandroiy loses, I will pay you. I think that is a fair offer, and I also think that everybody here will recognize it as one. How much do you want to enter? Anybody else joining in? Unlikely, but the world (not to mention myself) is probably better off if anybody who believes that the pirate is an honest man loses his money. I appreciate that some here tried to be protective against pressuring somebody into a bet (thanks!), but in my personal case there is no problem, because I think that bets can be useful tools to either stop people spouting nonsense or uncover that they are not serious and don't really mean what they say. Would you bet with me? I give you 200BTC if he doesn't pay, and you give me 100BTC if he pays. What do you say? (i'm dead serious) I take this one as dead serious and offer the 100 if Vandroi looses........put up or not so serious anymore?? Cheers Zyk You didn't answer my pm a few days ago. Your bitcoinmax account still on sale? Hi thanks unclescrooge, sorry for answering late but i got 2 bids for 8 already--- but if you are "dead serious" i sell them to you for 5 when letting me in on your seriosity Cheers Zyk |
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ZYK your method of doing business was very misleading and in the end it got you kicked from a major exchange.
I've sent you many messages only to be insulted or ignored.
I decided to go public after I saw accusations that you may of scammed someone else.
But I'm sure your already familiar with Bitcoinary user, ZYKscammedME_340USD.
No am not familiar with this guy, i didnīt even speak to him and as i already said......no trade, no scam, no review !!! Bitcoinary is the best way to get familiar to your customer and for the customer to his seller ---- just try it out----See ya Zyk |
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Telling people to put their money where their mouth is is not pressuring them to gamble, it's pressuring them to stop being a douche.
Matthew, do you still want to bet that pirate will pay back his debt? I can't believe this, but if you really want, I'll bet. Let's use the Vandroiy bet terms. They are well thought out and have been finely honed over the course of a week, if I remember that correctly. If Vandroiy wins his BTC5,000, then you will pay me. If Vandroiy loses, I will pay you. I think that is a fair offer, and I also think that everybody here will recognize it as one. How much do you want to enter? Anybody else joining in? Unlikely, but the world (not to mention myself) is probably better off if anybody who believes that the pirate is an honest man loses his money. I appreciate that some here tried to be protective against pressuring somebody into a bet (thanks!), but in my personal case there is no problem, because I think that bets can be useful tools to either stop people spouting nonsense or uncover that they are not serious and don't really mean what they say. Would you bet with me? I give you 200BTC if he doesn't pay, and you give me 100BTC if he pays. What do you say? (i'm dead serious) I take this one as dead serious and offer the 100 if Vandroi looses........put up or not so serious anymore?? Cheers Zyk |
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He is not the only one. One going by Maria is also not on the "up and up". But I dont think the site is failed just for a few bad apples.
That's why you must pay attention to the forum, Maria has been one of the most annoying trolls on board for a time now. Apropos Maria, where is the annoyment to be found please? Got a link? Thanks Zyk |
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ZYK has 90 in feedback which is by far the most rated user. I would think the highest rated user on the site should not be a scammer for the site to continue to find success.
In fairness to BYK...I was not completely scammed by him. However, mislead and insulted. Now a see another user out right calling him a scammer so I thought I'd make a thread about it.
ZYK...aren't you on these forums? Feel free to respond at any time. It seems you have been very angry with me even though I've have tried to work things out with you.
You werenīt even able to complete a trade with me, cause you never paid your 10.25 dollars into my hands even as i explained it to you three times how to do it. Bitcoinary in the best trading site everAs you can review people only when traded with them......accusations so are always made by people you havenīt even traded with (thats obvious hein?)!!! If not clicking " agree to trade with " you canīt get scammed !! and you canīt leave a review !! No trade, No scam, No review....thats where we are Ursay and thats how it will be Cheers Zyk |
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So they can pay with PayPal?
GPUMAX only accepts btc for payment right now.
If you want BTC for Paypal go bitcoinary.com and enter a trade of Zyk Cheers Zyk |
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so...
pirate payed out a few people, and hasn't said anything for 2 days?
who claims to have been paid? i call fud... Just a few (between 1 and 11) bitcoinmax accounts. The total is less then 700 BTC and all only a few of those 11 have been verified. So far less then the assumed accumulated interest for one day. Interesting. Links to claims would be awesome if you have them. Maybe he's buying himself some time?? That can be only smoke and mirorrs....he will never ever pay out a cent before bitlane is not assured to get his....so behind the scenes the colluding is already done ? In any Ponzi the criminals at the top divide the loot.....in a failed buiseness the remnants would be distributed evenly. Cheers Zyk |
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