I don't want to understand why all of you support someone that is so racist. What is your reason? Of course, I don't like so much Hilary. I prefer Trump without racism  Do you have any sort of evidence to prove that Donald Trump has ever racially abused anyone? Off course he has favored a temporary ban on the entry of Muslim migrants to the United States, but how that can be termed "racist"? Ask any security-conscious American citizen, and I a sure that he will be favoring Trump's proposal. its for sure discriminatory, but its more or less what the terrified, ignorant portion of the public wants to hear. as far as the ignorant media - brainwashed people are concerned, all muslims are out to bomb every man, woman, and child residing the the states. and there is at least some reasoning in the ban of islamic immigrants (ISIS, islam, yeah you get it). that's not saying i agree with it though. So... Total ban: bad. But... Partial ban: yeah? You are so voting for Trump  im actually not voting at all, call me apathetic if you want. theres not a single candidate i support enough to get offf my lazy political ass and vote. and i did not at all insinuate agreement on a partial ban. im merely saying that there is reasoning behind trump's proposal, nothing more, nothing less. im saying i see the reasoning behind it because the situation here is similar to what happened in WW2 with the internment of japanese citizens and all. the policy was discriminatory, yet enacted out of fear. i would rather not see such a similar law enacted that quite flat out infringes on people's rights (to enter the country in this case). of course, the decision to let a certain group of people into the country is the government's call, but im against a strictly discriminatory policy. ban all immigrants, period, until this dimmers down? a bit over the top, but maybe. barring a certain group of people? cant agree with it at all. i also havent registered, so yeah.... honestly though, i would much rather have trump over hillary. no set thought yet on trump v sanders. |
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I don't want to understand why all of you support someone that is so racist. What is your reason? Of course, I don't like so much Hilary. I prefer Trump without racism Do you have any sort of evidence to prove that Donald Trump has ever racially abused anyone? Off course he has favored a temporary ban on the entry of Muslim migrants to the United States, but how that can be termed "racist"? Ask any security-conscious American citizen, and I a sure that he will be favoring Trump's proposal. its for sure discriminatory, but its more or less what the terrified, ignorant portion of the public wants to hear. as far as the ignorant media - brainwashed people are concerned, all muslims are out to bomb every man, woman, and child residing the the states. and there is at least some reasoning in the ban of islamic immigrants (ISIS, islam, yeah you get it). that's not saying i agree with it though. |
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Another mexxer-2.
you mean another person that uses their brain? ok. Why even have moderators on the forum at all? Don't they have better things in the real life to do ?
if youre asking this, then you probably dont know what the moderators do. again, theyre not the morals police, theyre moderators. Illogical arguments
please point out where my explanation and whoever elses' are illogical. then again... forum spamming by allowing users to post referral link as part of their OP is bigger issue than innocent users who get scammed here & loose their hard earned money.
as soon as you play the sig spam card, its more or less apparent you dont have anything as a rebuttal. im starting to think youre just trolling at this point. well whatever. |
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Just ask yourself & analyze the amount of scams happen here which involve newbie dealing with a newbie.
Don't you think if Junior member restriction is applied then scams would reduce?
not necessarily. it might reduce the number of scam attempts, (ex newbie member, first post saying 'my million dollars papal for your btc you send first'), but imo members that would have gotten scammed by a new account will probably have gotten scammed regardless of weather or not the scammer was using a newbie or junior account. worded kinda badly, hope it made sense. -
For me your answers look like as if you have given up and there is no hope to rectify the current situation of this forum.
Shouldn't it be moral responsibility of administration of this forum to control scams here? If not then why do they send note in red for PMs sent by Newbies?
no, you should be able to look out for yourself and identify a scam and avoid it. how many threads involving trades do you think there are on this thread? you cannot leave the active monitoring and judgement of all of those trades to the two admins of the forum. they have better things to do, better admin-y things. its also not the job of the moderators either. their job is to clean up the forum in terms fo moving posts where they belong, banning spammers, deleting off topic stuff, yada yada. these people arent the police and have no obligation to be. -
If you have openly created a thread that you sold your a/c then you should not be held responsible for scams.
If you go by my 1st logic: Selling accounts SHOULD NOT be permitted. If you sell your account even on other site then also you are held responsible for anything that happens with this account. Lets say if your account is hacked then forum admin can drop an e-mail to your registered e-mail id & inform you to login ASAP and see what's wrong with the account. Similarly if hacker did any scam using your a/c then you should repay for the losses.
permitted or not, account trades will happen. its more or less safer for account traders (sellers and buyers likewise) if account trading is allowed and allowed to be taken on the forum. if they were banned, account trades would happen regardless offsite, and multiple problems would arise, not limited to but including repossession scams by the seller, straight up scamming without the presence of escrow, etc. to clarify what i mean by 'repossession scam,' in the event that account trades were forbidden, the forum admins would have no choice but to return the sold (offsite) account to the seller (since account trades are forbidden, the ruling would automatically become 'the account was hacked') potentially abetting the seller in scamming the account buyer out of whatever he paid for the account. |
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I bootstrapped my ignore list using DannyHamilton's ignore list, and the result is that 80%-90% of the posts are no longer shown. While that goes a long way towards reducing the time needed to trudge through pages of pointless comments, it also shows how little value there actually is here. Please don't hate me for saying this, but I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion. this is just my pov. not necessarily, reddit has the hivemind mentality where the unpopular opinions get downvoted en masse and are possibly never even seen to a good portion of the comment readers. the popular opinions (obviously) are voted to the top and will be the only 'discussion' thats visible to the great majority of readers that dont bother going through more than a few comments. the echo chamber that results from this doesnt make for actual discussion, where ideas are thrown around and refuted / agreed on. this doesnt happen all the time of course, but a point system that makes comments more or less visible is just bad for actual discussion / debate. then again, its been a while since ive browsed reddit comments. of course, you probably wont see this post because of DH's ignore list though. |
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No. He can't edit archive.is and that address is not only there. Don't you know edited posts are shown as 'Edited'? TBH I wouldn't have paid too much attention to this thread because buying accounts is allowed but the fact you blatantly lie is extremely suspicious. I wouldn't recommend anyone dealing with you without escrow or accepting any reversible payment method. Okay , that's cool, neg rep me all you want, i'm here to make trades, not care about you kids negative trust kinda makes it hard to trade on here of all places you know  also, for the lazy: 1CzS5uJ7RxX98Yz5YsC52Z5tfiJBmz2Dgd  |
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We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.
You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.
We all know that you're a scammer. Give people here proof that i am a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming. You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused. negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either. Why not to be trusted ? You have proof of him being not able to trust ? Any past deals or things like that which can prove that this user is not trust worthy? looks like you were given red ratings ffor asking for large amounts of money with no collateral on a fairly new throw away-able account. if this doesnt make sense to you, lets put it into simpler words. lets say you met some random 12 year old kid youve never met or even seen before today while walking to the pharmacy down the street or something because you wanted to buy a candle. why a candle? i dont know either. im just making shit up. kid asks you: "ayy can i have like 800 dollars? i PROMISE ill pay you back, im CLEARLY trustable." are you going to give the kid 800 dollars? or are you going to think something like "man fuck this kid im not trusting you for a split second you scammin kid." probably the latter. does it make more sense now? |
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We all know that you're a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming.
You'll get the negative trust removed after a month or so... If you don't attempt to scam anyone in that period of time.
We all know that you're a scammer. Give people here proof that i am a scammer. Even if you aren't, a newbie with 0 trust trying to ask for a 50 BTC loan without any collateral whatsoever is going to get a negative trust by default from one of the trusted members to prevent scamming. You are right but the point was that trust system is being abused. negative trust doesnt necessarily mean youve scammed anyone, that would defeat one of the purposes of tagging a user with negative trust, which is to warn others that this person is not to be trusted. negative trust can also be used as a tell that the person / account is not to be trusted, is highly suspect of a scam attempt, engaging in untrustworthy behavior, the list goes on. pretty brand new account asking for a 20k usd loan? yeah i wouldnt trust that either. |
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Do you have any evidence that any of his accounts were "purchased"?
I do not. This is just my thought along the lines of "if I were to run away with 150+ BTC of loans would I really put my real eBay account and real Facebook friends out there". That and the amazing coincidence of multiple deadbeat borrowers among said "friends"... again, matches my imaginary scenario where if I spent money on a network of fake accounts I would probably make mutual endorsements and borrow to the max on each account for the best ROI on the "investment". Do you not trust my "think like a scammer" logic Of course there is always a possibility that he was dumb enough to use his real info... wouldn't be the first dumb scammer but the pattern of these loans shows a decent amount of effort so not sure it's that simple. with the extent of the setup used in this scam, i really have a hard time believing he used his real info on any of these accounts. if anything, i think its more likely that he purchased all of those accounts (ebay, paypal, facebook, etc, all verified of course) over in the digital goods section, seeing as those types of accounts are regularly up for sale here. |
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Are we able to curb such practice, or an educational campaign to discourage such behaviour?
I don't remember offering loans in this forum.
This isn't the first time nor will be the last, I recommend to ignore them and to publish the message in the meta section (maybe a single topic to collect this crap isn't a bad idea) and inform the mods/admins about it. informing them wont do anything, most of the pms are likely from brand new accounts anyways. just ignore them, put their names in your pm ignore list, whatever. there isnt much that can be done to prevent them from creating new accounts (vpn, tor, etc). you can report the pm to the admins using the report function that should be on every pm and have their ip banned though, maybe. |
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This has been asked and answered before: And of course it's red if it's lower than 0. And how much i trusted feedback is worth? you cant buy trust if thats what youre getting at. |
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I really don't understand why Americans like him so much and why he is so popular now? Maybe because he is so incapable, stupid, crazy and completely different from ordinary, boring politicians? Any way, if they really vote for Trump, they deserve hi 100 %  because his presidential campaign is self - funded, and as a result, will not owe any favors to lobbyists should be become the next potus. this is probably the first instance in a century at least where a politician has been so upfront about his stance on issues, what he would do should he be elected, etc. its a complete 180 turn from the usual political cycle of lying to voters and backstabbing them the moment they step into the office. that being said, im still not voting for trump. |
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so what you muricans vote 2016 for the next president? ben carson or donald trump?  Donald Trump would be better, but Ben Carson and Ted Cruz won't be that bad either. They are outside the establishment wing of the GOP, and are unlikely to be blackmailed by the big corporations and lobbying groups, once they are elected to the office. Actually, anyone other than the liar Hillary Clinton would be fine. trump might be tolerable, and i agree that Hillary should not ever be president, but carson is a looney liar as well. dont remember the details, but hes openly admitted that he has lied about numerous details in his speeches / responses and has fabricated stories about his life in his books. he makes up information to say in front of the camera on the go and always tries to justify it. not only that, hes completely delusional and thinks the media and press is out to get him when all theyre doing is using his own words in verbatim to paint an accurate picture of how insane he is and should never be considered as an actual candidate for presidency. |
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All religion was created by man to control other men.
god didnt create man, man created god. Just standing out in the cold, it might not be very visible as to how man was created or made. Since science hasn't figure it out yet, and since science has figured out that there is a God, if God didn't create man, where did man come from? Sounds pretty much like God created man to me. You keep saying this as if it is somehow self evident and writ in stone. It's not. If you mean the part about God creating mankind, it is self evident. How? In the science that shows that God is behind everything. Which science is this? Newton's 3rd law - action reaction/cause and effect. Everything in the universe is caused by something. God is the Great First Cause. This has been known in science for at least a hundred years, now. that's only true if your god exists in the first place. what youre doing is youre taking your beliefs, which are based off nothing more than faith, taking a phenomena, and filling in the gaps with an explanation that is in tune with what you believe or what you want to believe. It cannot be reconciled with the actual age of the earth. The Bible is not meant to be an actual history of the age of the earth. But... Real, factual, science that is not theory fiction places the earth in the range of 10,000 years old, and not more than 25,000 years old. it's predictions would show that all animals are distinct, with no overlap, yet we share 99 percent of our DNA with Chimpanzees, and even more with Bonobos. It makes claims as to how AND WHERE man originated, that are false. Civilization indeed seems to have started in the Euphrates valley, but the origins of humanity are much older, and in Africa. The eye witness reports of the Bible are way more accurate than any guestimations by a bunch of self-styled scientists. these 'so accurate eyewitness reports' also have numerous inconsistencies. |
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Reality is quite the contrary actually. Only a handful of events occur in nature that is not yet described and linked mathematically to a theory.
In addition, just because there is a theory doesn't mean that there might not be a host of other theories about the same thing, some of them precisely opposite of others. Nor does it mean that the theory necessarily is going to be found out to be fact. Theory is a good guess, and sometimes, a not so good guess. thats actually more or less true. there are some inconsistencies between the quantum mechanics theories and the relativity theories. separately, and within the domains they respectively work on, these theories are 100% accurate, but as soon as you say, apply quantum theories to larger objects that QM does not cover, you can start seeing some inconsistencies that are large enough to be observable. bpth theories describe the state of objects at a given time, but of small and larger sizes (QM and relativity). this is just 1 case though. Good. Now you have to understand how QM applies to consciousness. Enter the Orch OR theory of Penrose and Hammeroff; it is a scientific hypothesis about mind which invokes QM and it has not been defeated thus far. To understand philosophy of mind (which is really just metaphysics of mind), the first step is to realize that the materialist, reductionist framework cannot apply; this follows immediately from the Orch OR hypothesis since it can be readily seen that feelings ("qualia") came BEFORE the brain; apparently even a single-cell organism (paramecium) has rudimentary feelings and is capable of some clever behavior; according to the hypothesis, this is a result of QM interactions with the microtubules. This hypothesis has a track record and understanding it presents the most viable solution to the hard problem of consciousness. I linked to an explanation by Hammeroff and will link it again, and it is advised to follow the relevant links to understand the argument; the comments are a good read too! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stuart-hameroff/more-rational-than-thou-a_b_7515498.htmlIt is also VERY interesting to note the correspondence between the human experience of NDE and the "quirky" principles of quantum physics: http://www.near-death.com/science/evidence.html#a22More information about QM's link to the mind was posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg11835498#msg11835498And that is just getting started. If you wanted to apply QM to consciousness via String Theory, you would see that the whole universe has consciousness. The question is, does God have consciousness outside of the universe (remember, universe means everything)? this is just my point of view. the human consciousness is not something that can be definitely quantified and explained, and as far as im concerned, quantum mechanics is a specialized theory dealing in the state of extremely small particles at a given time. that view of mine is not something that will not change, not until a veritable theory linking the human mind to a quantifiable explanation is found. so far, i dont think this is something that will be achieved anytime soon, perhaps in the next decade, but its a mystery as far as im concerned. |
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Come on Wil, don't make us do all the work!
What's this about?
What does "up like Trump" mean for the Donald?
What's your opinion?
People are starving for somebody who tells them how it is, who is not afraid to speak up. You need to watch the whole video. It is entertaining, funny and sometime very sad. Win or lose he will not have to owe any promises to any lobbyists as he is self financing his campaign. He can spend 1B easy, if he sees the thirst for him is still there in the up coming months... "Up like Trump" is something the donald is well aware of, as much as he was when loving/fighting/loving mac miller and his beat https://soundcloud.com/livepittsburgh/mac-miller-donald-trumphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74TFS8r_SMITrump is now up. That was the perfect title for this thread. I do care about a good title thread if you've noticed... So you support STUPID of SENSIBLE? Tramp is cashing in on the fear of people and you SUPPORT that? i dont support trump, but its easy to see where his appeal comes from. hes not only cashing in on the fear, but he's a smart man, as he is self financing his campaign, he wont owe promises to lobbyists, which is a problem that has plagued the scene of american politics for some time now (just one point). exploitative or not, there is reason to support trump. i say this with the opinion that trump would be a pretty shitty president. point is, theres more to trump's rise than exploiting the fear of the american people. |
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It looks bad for the US if members of future elite are so ignorant and stupid.
i dont think these people will make it far on the path to becoming the 'elite' of the future being so sheltered and all. these kids arent ready for the real world. |
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Reality is quite the contrary actually. Only a handful of events occur in nature that is not yet described and linked mathematically to a theory.
In addition, just because there is a theory doesn't mean that there might not be a host of other theories about the same thing, some of them precisely opposite of others. Nor does it mean that the theory necessarily is going to be found out to be fact. Theory is a good guess, and sometimes, a not so good guess. thats actually more or less true. there are some inconsistencies between the quantum mechanics theories and the relativity theories. separately, and within the domains they respectively work on, these theories are 100% accurate, but as soon as you say, apply quantum theories to larger objects that QM does not cover, you can start seeing some inconsistencies that are large enough to be observable. bpth theories describe the state of objects at a given time, but of small and larger sizes (QM and relativity). this is just 1 case though. |
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