I've noticed quite regularly recently that orders on cavirtex don't show up on bitcoinwisdom.

Here's an example:



bitcoincharts.com, and virtex itself both show over 9 BTC for sale at $348, but the bitcoinwisdom chart shows just 1 BTC at that price even after refreshing the chart.

As I see it, either TF is a scammer or he isn't.

If he is, then why would he send me the coins to refund?
If he isn't, then why not let him refund them himself?

I don't see what value I can add to this.

Why would you post that?

You're effectively saying "I'm a thief but I lack the opportunity".

Is that how you want people to think of you, as an incompetent thief?

About 450 BTC profit this week, less than the ~500 BTC expected for the week based on the amount wagered.



As usual, the investor balances as they stood after the weekly commission run are posted here:

http://just-dice.blogspot.ca/search/label/bankroll

Is it the case that the green + only shows on bets which happen after you reload the page?

I think I read he was hoping to sort out the inputs.io refunds before going on to coinlenders ones.

You might want to edit your signature - it's still advertising inputs...

I had no claim on TF's coins.  I was holding them as a deposit against any inputs.io losses.  Once he had repaid JD for the 42ish BTC that was stolen he was free to withdraw his coins.

It's really none of my business "where it went", and I also have no way of finding out.

That is a sad state of affairs isn't it!

This?  (NVSFW)

https://i.imgur.com/yNTaO.jpg

The amount varied over time, but was hundreds of BTC.  I used it as collateral when accepting inputs.io deposits.  I only credited inputs.io deposits to JD up to the amount TF had on deposit at any time.  I regularly withdrew from the JD inputs account to a 'real' wallet.

The timeline as I understand it went something like this:

* late October, the inputs server was compromised, the database was stolen, and 4000 BTC was taken from the hot wallet
* inputs.io carried on operating as normal, still accepting new deposits, with 4000 BTC missing from its wallet
* for a couple of days after the theft, I was unable to withdraw from inputs.io to the blockchain.  the "hot pocket" was empty.  I emailed several times, and eventually after about 48h was able to withdraw.  At no point was I told that the server had been hacked
* a couple of weeks later the hacker used stolen API keys to steal ~100 BTC from user accounts, including ~42 BTC from the JD account
* an hour after that theft I woke up, saw the withdrawal, moved all the coins I had access to into cold storage as a precaution, stopped accepting inputs.io as a deposit method
* later that day TF came to the JD chat and asked for his deposit (less the 42 BTC he owed JD) back.
* I debited his account the ~42 BTC, then unblocked his account from withdrawing.  He withdrew the rest of the balance
* I asked him if he would be redepositing so that we could start accepting inputs deposits again.  He said he definitely would.
* a day or so later the inputs front page was edited to say that 4100 BTC had been stolen.

The moral of the story seems to be "don't trust third parties with your Bitcoins".  A lesson that lots of investors seem to be learning.  Investment in JD is down ~5k to around 57k BTC since the inputs hack became public.  I don't know whether this is mostly due to people cashing out BTC due to the recent price rises, or people wanting the security of holding their own coins.  I guess it's some of each.

I takes 1 hours, sure, but it's also IMMEDIATE:



This:

I think I've figured out the logic:

1. Why do you give half your profits to investors?  To prove I'm for reals.

2. Why do you need to prove you're for reals?  So I can attract more investors.

3. Why do you want more investors?  So I can give half my profits to them.

4. GOTO 1


It seems to be a feedback loop building up more and more trust, more and more investors, more and more coins.

I wonder how it will end.  There has to be SOME kind of profit motive in it for him, but I can't figure it out...

I just received the following email, apparently from bitcoin.org, but no doubt a forgery.

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is...



Edit: no victims yet: http://blockchain.info/address/1DRtePjGwKj7RHcFchF9ATRxWF8Wp44s4B

I think you misunderstand.

The videos demonstrated that when your casino is low on funds your software deliberately cheats the player to recoup its losses.

It doesn't matter why the casino is low on funds - whether it's the result of a hack or a player getting lucky - in either case the software will cheat the player to get the money back.  You have admitted this before so why lie about it now and call it a "problem"?

I defy anyone to watch this:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFV_GIc_L2k
and honestly claim that they are watching anything other than obvious and deliberate cheating on the casino's part.

Do you feel up to talking about this now, or are you just going to make zero-content posts like the above?

Maybe we could take it to your self-moderated thread so you can delete anything I say that makes your scam casino look bad.

That's a good idea.  Read the article, see if any of the points it makes could realistically happen on the site you're thinking of playing, and if so talk to the site operator about how he can prove that he's not cheating in such a way.

A lot of the points the article makes just don't apply to most new provably fair sites.  There's still a responsibility on the player to check the results for himself and not blindly trust the site to be fair because it says it is, but provably fairness really does mean you can check whether you are being cheated or not.

The only deposit method we currently accept is Bitcoin.  As in real transactions sent to your deposit address.

Click the 'deposit' button, get an address, send coins to it, wait for one confirmation.

Yes, sorry.  Lots of withdrawals overnight.  I guess people want to cash out at the new high prices.

I'm keeping the wallet full when I can, but confirmations are taking a long time today for some reason.

Do you know what 'literally' means?  If you're literally dead could you please stop posting; it's disconcerting.

Re. your 2FA, please email the address at the end of the JD FAQ tab giving details of your account and I'll get back to you.

Yes, it's true.  There was talk at the time of his 561 BTC bet being a new "biggest ever BTC bet".

On 29th June, BTC was trading on Mt.Gox between $93 and $98.

Three of his bets are still listed on https://just-dice.com/biggest.txt :


Edit: From the Just-Dice chat logs: