just-dice has been very strange with my bets lately. I was betting 50% and hitting losing streaks of about 40 bets each.. the odds of this happening are like 1 out of 100 trillion.... it seems like its targeting previous highrollers. Something very fishy going on here..
Can you provide a screenshot please? Or tell me your userid or username so I can investigate? 1 in 100 trillion shots don't happen. Not at just-dice, not anywhere with less than a few billion rolls. Oh, except here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFV_GIc_L2kBut bitwincasino.com is special like that... |
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Why do you choose to ignore ASICSRUS's posts Rannasha? Is it because you can't dispute his claims?
The 'provably fair' concept is simply not 'provably fair', and you know it.
If ASICSRUS ever made any claims and provided the reasoning behind his claims, we could easily argue against him. But he says things like "you cheat by tracking IP addresses so expert dice players lose more" or "dice rolls depend on the amount staked" without providing any evidence. You can't argue with stupid. His posts are effectively content-free and are best ignored. If he is the only source you have that math (the tech behind provable fairness) cheats, then that's a pretty sad state of affairs. All the provably fair sites publish information about how the system works. If you can find a flaw in it please do bring it out into the open. The site operators all want to offer unquestionably fair games. Keeping an average of 1% of turnover is plenty. There's really no need to cheat the players. You should try it some time. |
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People ignore his posts because he makes no sense. He's either very stupid or deliberately trolling. If you can link to a post where he presents any evidence that provable fairness doesn't work or is a "sham" please do so. Links to posts look like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=315494.msg3382186#msg3382186They have "msg" in them a couple of times. To reference the message you're pointing at. Bitwincasino will not be signing up to this 'unprovably fair' concept since its nothing more than a scam.
You can keep repeating "it's a scam" over and over, but it isn't, and you have no evidence that it is. The reason you won't be using a system that proves you're not rigging your results is that you can't. You have already openly admitted that your software *does* rig its results. You can't use provable fairness on a casino that openly cheats. |
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The following, from the owner of the heavily moderated thread and the owner of the casino respectively, are what they seem to not be wanting attention drawn to: Money was 'won' [...]which resulted in the bank temporarily running a negative balance. The computer (as programmed) immediately went to work on building the balance again which resulted in this scenario.
The casino pays out of a pool of money that has already been lost. The program is designed to always maintain a positive balance. I'm sure you can make sense of it from there.
When the game draws a hand, it checks if there is enough funds in the prize pool to cover the win, if there isnt it will make you lose.
If you win 98 points, it means somone has lost 100 points
Basically, if the house has lost a lot recently they fix the results so that they win it back. "it will make you lose". |
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Almost every time I reply to a post in the other "Welcome to the Greatest Bitcoin Casino on earth!" thread, the casino owner deletes my post. It seems he doesn't like people pointing out how unfair his site is, and suggesting ways it could be made fair. I'm going to post my deleted replies here. This thread isn't "self moderated". Discussion is encouraged. "But with any of the dice games, how can you tell if the winning seed was generated before or after your bet and roll"
You can tell because the sha256 hash of the seed is published before the roll. Do some research before dismissing the 'concept'. It is called "provably" fair for a reason... Or how can you tell if the first seed generated (which might have been a win) wasn't discarded and regenerated until your roll would create a loss instead?
Because after publishing the hash of the server seed, the user gets to pick a client seed which changes the outcome. So the house has no way of preselecting the result. Again, this is easy to find on any provably fair site. In my opinion, 'provably fair' is just a scam run by some gambling sites to instil confidence in the customer
The thing is, this isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of mathematical facts. You can think it's "just a scam", but you would be demonstrably wrong to do so. Quoted for those few individuals that seem to have missed it.  We didn't miss it. It's just offputting to post in a thread when you delete any post which points out errors in your thinking. Man up and defend yourself and your point of view rather than taking the easy way out and deleting dissenting viewpoints. |
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Now, Now Dooglus. he is on ignore, remember?
He couldn't resist the temptation. It's true. He's a pretty good troll. |
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i caught your site cheating via ip tracking...is that acceptable to you?  What does that even mean? The only inputs to the roll algorithm are: 1) server seed 2) client seed 3) roll number (nonce) Nothing about bet size, chance to win, or IP address. Please, pick an option: 1) try to understand how the site works; if you need help, ask for it 2) stop talking about how the site works; you know nothing about it If you still want to bet 10 BTC that bet size or IP address affects the number rolled, I am more than happy to take that bet. I strongly suspect you don't have 10 BTC, given how much you cried when you lost 0.01 BTC on JD. |
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instead of a single server seed to generate all the random numbers for a user, the server seed is combined with the server clock time (in milliseconds), then hashed to give the random value
I don't see how that's provably fair for players any more. Suppose you send me a bet at 12:34:56.001 I check the roll corresponding to that time. You win. I can't have that, so I try 12:34:56.002 instead. That makes you lose, so I publish that timestamp. You can't be sure whether the server saw your bet request at .001 or .002 so you have to trust me to tell you. And it doesn't do anything to stop me as server operator placing and winning my own bets. |
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Google Auth Poker (was RSA SecurID Poker)
Thoughts?
One massive problem: You know your google-auth secret. That lets you know all future 6 digit codes. So you can easily look ahead and see when your next "6 of a kind" is coming, and wait until then to play. In short, there's only one seed per player, and they know it. |
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I got 2 of my posts deleted from oldminer's thread. Do I get a prize? Seriously Dooglus, that site is a nightmare. He deletes posts that point out that the casino is scammy. My most recently deleted post there: With provably fair systems being rather simple to implement, I don't see why any serious casino would omit it and why any better would go to a site that hasn't taken the minimal effort to implement it.
The reason is that the result of the game depends on the size of the bankroll. If the remaining bankroll is less than the amount you are trying to win, the software will guarantee that you don't win. You can't make that "provably fair", since it is provably not... What's amazing isn't just that the casino cheats, but that the guys promoting/owning it openly admit that it cheats, and seem to think that it's acceptable to do so. |
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All the games are fair.
That's not what Redcoin says. He said earlier that if there haven't been enough losers recently then it's impossible to win: Not sure how to be "provably fair". Its a different type of game, and only pays out when there are losers, same way as any modern slot machine.
If you win 98 points, it means somone has lost 100 points
I presume that means that if there isn't enough to pay out a winning coin toss, you won't get a winning coin toss. Is that correct? |
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Provably fair means that you can use math to repeat the exact roll and get the same outcome. There's no way to cheat gamblers. You know you can prove every bet in the site's existence was fair by looking at bet seeds? But everyone knows math is just someone's opinion...
Back to more serious topics, is dooglas' name taken from Chester's invisible friend from sifl and olly (the sock puppet?)
Please don't feed the troll. He is either too stupid to understand or doesn't want to understand. Either way it's a waste of energy to engage him any more. My name was made up on the spur of the moment many years ago and means nothing. |
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We have a winner! You know the drill... |
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Well, you have access to the server seed, so you can know the rolls on beforehand... You could play and win whenever you want and that could be considered cheating - you would be cheating against the investors, not the players.
I'm not saying you are doing this, I'm just saying that would be the logical way to cheat in your position.
Yes, I can play and win whenever I want to. JD isn't provably fair in the slightest for investors; they have to trust that I don't look at the seeds. It *is* provably fair for the players, and I thought that's what we were talking about. Some guy was angry that I had "cheated" him out of his bitcent, didn't understand or want to understand provable fairness, and was making a lot of noise about it. |
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Heads or tails? What ill it be?
Is this one fair? It seems a simple coin toss would be easy enough to program to be fair. Or does it make sure the player loses if the casino has been unlucky recently? |
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By the way, ASICSRUS is being paid by primedice so everything he says is corrupt. Put him on ignore please.
That's a good idea. In fact, there is no need for dooglus to cheat, because he always earns the 1%fee of the winnigs, so he will gain more if the users win.
But everything is possible.
That's not right. I get 10% of new net investor profits each week. That is, I only take commission if the site profits. That is, only if players lose. You may be getting confused with the house edge, which is 1%. That just means that the odds are set such that each play expects to lose 1% of everything they risk in the long term. But a) that 1% is kind of theoretical - the actual house profit depends on luck and b) the house profit goes to the investors, not me; I only take 10% of that house profit as commission. But your overall point is still sound - there's no need for me to cheat because the odds are already in the house's favour, and mathematics will make sure that the house wins in the long run. More to the point, I *can't* cheat without it becoming obvious. The rolls are all provably fair. |
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0.1 If this is going on.
The current high bid is 1 BTC by aksplace. Time left: Timer removed. End time: 2013-10-21+00:00:00UTC |
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no what i'm saying is however you do it your system can detect when a user raises the bet, do you log IP addresses? I suspect you do and use this info to adjust odds, to mitigate your risk. I know this is a system wide issue so don't start saying you only lost lil $ or whatever The site can "detect" the size of the stake on each bet because the user provides it. There's no "detection" required. I do log IP addresses but fail to see how this is in any way connected to the issue of "adjusting odds". The algorithm used to generate the numbers you roll is public, and independent of the stake and chance the user picks. The whole sequence of rolls to infinity is pre-selected when your pair of seeds is selected in fact. You can verify this fact for yourself using the tool on Mooshire's page, linked at the bottom of the 'Fair?' tab. The site is currently in profit, and only plays for Bitcoin. So rather than "lost lil $" we "won lot BTC" or whatever. you registered with the SEC?  whos your registering agent? tia Just-Dice is not registered with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Nor with the Uzbekistan Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. |
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