Well, that anarchy already have a lot of rules  Nah, you just aren't talking to anarchists. No rules. No rulers. Human rights. |
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BTW, in the anarchic utopia what would you do with guys like the one in Brazil and the other on NL last week? Sit and wait him to run out of bullets? Get real! The world is a dangerous place, which is why I exercise my right to self-defense. |
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Do you want your neighbors telling you how you can and cannot live your life? This is what you will get with a direct democracy. Mob rule. I don't trust my fellow man to make my decisions for me. Nor do I want to make decisions for my fellow man.
I trust my neighbours (and myself) more than I trust some elected, or appointed, or born into it, ruler. I agree that making decisions for others is wrong. Making decisions with others doesn't seem so bad, however. A good sight better than having decisions made for me, anyway. Indeed, so do I. But I wasn't talking about trust. I was talking about them making my decisions for me, which I certainly do not want. I don't want anyone making my decisions for me, regardless of how much I trust them. As far as making decisions with others, well that's fine if you like doing what the majority decides to do. Ultimately the decision will be made for you though. This might work out until you find yourself in the minority again and again. As long as there are rules, there is force. |
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So, if you've been brainwashed into believing that "value" has no meaning, fine. I hardly see how you can come to that conclusion from his post. |
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We live, at least on the West, in highly rational societies. Everything has to have a reason and coercion is an unacceptable way to make someone abide by certain senseless rule. I would argue that we have more senseless rules now then ever before in the history of the world. So the best ruling model for this society appears to be Democracy. Rule implies force. You can't have rules without enforcement. How about we move away from these ancient traditions and have no rules (or rulers), only rights. A rational society should be able to accomplish this, no? Democracy as we've it now is becoming however outdated, it has been designed for a World with deadly slow communications. The United States (which I assume you are referring to with the example of Bush) has a representative republic, not a democracy. So it's time to think on push Democracy to more direct levels, more direct representation, without dissolve it into delegations and parties. Do you want your neighbors telling you how you can and cannot live your life? This is what you will get with a direct democracy. Mob rule. I don't trust my fellow man to make my decisions for me. Nor do I want to make decisions for my fellow man. |
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I would buy the cheapest used reference board I could find.
I recently bought a new non-reference board XFX because I couldn't pass on the price. It cost one half of your least expensive option. Although I cannot adjust the voltage, it's running 950Mhz, no problem. Does it really make sense to pay twice the amount to get 50Mhz more?
Of course, I don't know the availability of cheap cards where you live.
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Do you think those kinds of results are only possible on a dedicated box running Linux? No. As for the rest of your post, I don't know. |
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On both my 5870 and 5850, lowering the memory clock decrease hash rate. Does anyone with these 2 cards see the opposite?
Yes, I get a noticeable increase with both of those cards. |
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Just retested this on a 5870 running in my windows machine. The card is overclocked to 930MHz core with drivers 11.2 + SDK 2.2
1200MHz = 352 Mhash/sec
450MHz = 328 Mhash/sec
300MHz = 305 Mhash/sec
The cards run faster in Linux, but the effect of lower memory clocks is similar.
EDIT: I would test this on Linux but changing the clockspeeds outside of the overdrive limits requires BIOS flashing. It's much easier just to test in Windows where I can set it with MSI Afterburner.
Strange. I wish we knew more about this instead of just hit and miss. |
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My best guess as to why you can see an increase in hashrate is that the card might use tighter memory timings when you lower the clockspeed. Mining doesn't use very much (if any) RAM so there is still more than enough bandwidth even when underclocked. Tighter timings = lower latency = faster.
Oddly, for some cards this works and for others it doesn't. I have a 5830 and a 5870 in one system, both with the RAM underclocked to 450. The 5830 shows no difference in hashrate, but the 5870 takes a 20-30 Mhash/sec hit. These cards are in a dedicated mining system using the same drivers. (Linux + 11.2 + SDK 2.1)
Did you happen to try 300 on the 5870? |
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Do you happen to know the power consumption of that card at 746 Mhash/s (mrb: edited)?
Yep: HD 6990 (@sw1, 880MHz): 746 Mhash/s, 410 W, 1.82 Mhash/s/W HD 6990 (@sw2, 830MHz, default): 683 Mhash/s, 346 W, 1.97 Mhash/s/W HD 5970: 569 Mhash/s, 275 W, 2.07 Mhash/s/W (Measurements taken while running hdminer, with a clamp meter at the three sources of power: slot + two power connectors.) I would not recommend to mine at 880MHz since it is about 8% less power efficient than at 830MHz. Also, contrary to what is believed, the Mhash/s/W rate of the HD 6990 is not so bad at 830MHz when compared to the good old 5970. Awesome! Thanks for posting this. |
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Expending energy to build and maintain a system designed to limit people's access to resources is ultimately a waste of energy. But BTC is better than what we have now.
How does bitcoin limit people's access to resources? |
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What if the government reinstated slavery? Well, that would be wrong, just like whatever it is you're suggesting. Unless the slaves were sexy robots! |
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Someone would start a business based around petitioning the government to seize assets by eminent domain at the end of every month and selling them for stateCoins at the beginning of every month. It would be like Christmas twelve times a year.
Christmas in hell!  |
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Maybe once you scale up / fast foward management might look less infeasible. Imagine PolitCoin, an alternate blockchain different only in its initial starter block and the port number it uses and the IRC channel it uses, with all "major" nations and multinationals running full clients backed by mega custom-chip dedicated computing facilities. Would they even need to operate as a friend to friend network in which only such powerful entities are "allowed" and few but their own intelligence services manage to "sneak into"? Maybe they would outcompute even the largest pools grass root bitcoin-type currencies including the original Bitcoin manage to put together? So much so that who cares if people play "mining" instead of playing national or state / region govt-run lotteries? Maybe you could end up with about as many actually significant mining facilities as there are currently sovereign nations on Earth, and they could fight wars about how to manage it just like they have historically tended to do about almost any "significant" commodity / store of value / medium of exchange? Just how hard *is* it for a coalition of superpowers to "manage" bitcoin{|-type currencies} if they choose to devote their military-industrial complexes to doing so? Which would be harder, setting up inviolate private networks for their mining centers to use for Politcoin, or going with open networks allowing any tom dick or harry who might not even be a sovereign nation nor a multinational worth more than many sovereign nations? (Part of the point here is that various features of the protocol might be just as handy between "individual nationstates / multinationals" as between actually-individual "individuals"...) -MarkM- P.S. I am actually tooling up to pseudo-simulate such ideas at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/ by equating a "nation or multinational (aka player)"'s block-processing capability to computer technology level multiplied by number of research labs... Why would the average person switch to the new coin when bitcoin is already established? The only reason I can come up with is force. Perhaps that's what you meant by "devote their military-industrial complexes to doing so", but if they are going to use force, why bother with the coin? Perhaps to give the illusion of freedom? |
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Wait a second. The money resets every month. Yet you claim there will be "rich" people selling stuff in order to make money? What is the motivation to exchange tangible goods for money when the money will be reset every month?
We both have 1000 stateCoins.
I sell you my TV for 500 stateCoins.
You have a TV and 500 stateCoins. I have 1500 stateCoins.
In a month you have my TV and 1000 stateCoins and I have 1000 stateCoins.
Whoever trades goods for stateCoins loses.
As Gluskab said, no one in their right mind would use it. Force would be required.
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each hd69900 is 375W thats 750 for 2
how can you add TWO 6950 or 6970 (aprox 140W each) to a Corsair HX950W power supply
more sales hype
I will also investigate in the possibility of adding two 6950 or 6970 to each rig, giving about 700 MHash/s more. (This will need a larger PSU) |
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Lets get down to basics.
Anyone can assign value to anything.
If someone else also assigns value to the same thing, they can trade it for whatever else they assign value to.
It's simply a matter of scale as to how far this can go.
You do not need to add force (state) to the equation to make it true.
You do not need additional people (merchants) to assign value to the item to make it true.
Two people can create a system of money out of anything they desire. They are both happy and their system doesn't need to be fixed!
Sheesh...
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I do in fact have crossfire enabled. If I dont enable crossfire I can not get win7 to detect the 4 gpu cores simultaneously. Bump
I wish I could help but I have no idea. I was going to make sure you weren't using crossfire, but since you have no fluctuation in a pool (and use a dummy plug), I'll assume you aren't. Since you don't have fluctuation in a pool, you should start ruling out the differences between when you mine solo and mine in a pool. It seems like the problem lies there somewhere. Crossfire might be causing the fluctuation. I don't have any experience with dual-core cards, but crossfire enabled in a multi-card system caused a lot of fluctuation for me. As you've said, I don't think there is a way to disable crossfire on a dual-core card in windows, but IIRC you can do it with linux. |
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