Hi coin fanatics,
I have been a long time forum lurker and i decided to get into the bitcoin game.
I want to buy between 0.5 and 0.8 BTC at preev +3% rate.
I can pay with Perfectmoney or Western Union.
I insist on using forum escrow, do NOT contact me if you are not willing to use forum escrow.
Please leave your contact details and rate, since i am new i can probably not send a PM.
Regards.
I can make deal. Rate +3% of preev is ok to me. Escrow fee is yours. If it is okay then send message to the escrow and me. As everything is final I don't think there need any other contact except personal message with escrow. |
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Mdayonliner, I was refering to xtraelv's post, #41 where it shows you posted the same likes & shares links as nguyenthanhhieu did the day prior. I don't know if you explained that or if I missed the explanation or what.
In any case, after reflecting on this I suspect this is an error you made when copying the report format from another post, which I've seen many bounty hunters do. That was the basis for the feedback I left you.
I'd like to hear the opinions about this from xtraelv and any of the other members I generally trust who've posted in this thread. Just about the possible bounty abuse and the credibility of the evidence presented here.
I am not sure either they are alt of Mdayonliner or not but according to My post/proof they are same person. |
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Hello Shasan, I have a new loan request. The only difference is this one is for 2 weeks and 4 days Loan Amount: 0.025 Loan Purpose: Pay for bills Loan Repay Amount: 0.03 Loan Repay Date: 11/20/18 Type of Collateral: this account Escrow profile Link: none Bitcoin Address: 1864jXLSdbZq319oQScCNG1m7nLYbGHuBX Signed message from bitcoin address: This is still nutildah's bitcoin address. Today is 11/2/18. I am requesting a loan of 0.025 BTC to be repaid with 0.005 BTC interest on 11/20/18. Base 64 encoded: H6rRzKhKcItbigGNHoV0x587YUViZJIbhqgkdsbuBW30AbbpIrI1gjJqXz4yalD0Y3QdHDaOE0uuk+T0O24ui0I= Thanks for your consideration. Signature Verified. Loan request accepted. Please send collateral as usual. Edit: BTC sent Trx: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e14fdddbc40b56bb1d7d54028bf2b9937a5d3d28f851a58d78ef6d0671f7d9b6Repayment at: bc1qe49zeuwmg8whqa26jgn5pzm6ul4fzpdccz9s4l Please repay on or before deadline. |
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Well there is always risks but i will sent back your loan plus 20% interest in POOL! It might be very lucrative!
Only fool can take this type of risk. If you default or there is a chance of default then if you promise 20000000% interest that will be same. Same rank of you took 40$ loan and defaulted because it was without collateral. And the collateral you are offering same of without collateral as it has no value right now. So, if you don't have valid collateral then better to lock the thread otherwise there is a chance to get negative trust from DT. |
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Loan Amount: 0.007 BTC
Amount to be repaid: 0.0077 BTC
Repayment Date: 16 nov 2018(Maybe before)
Type of Collateral: 850 ADA(Cardano) Coin
Bitcoin Address: 1FTboVjnYhQyJRKSfpz1cBvPTEXydm3ZCW
Send collateral to: DdzFFzCqrht83Ex18JrRoBey1Y5p8ytQQHs9AjApWC6fpywtQVuj3AoCKMrPumTfQ939uhyu2vqDxYv PXErkb7yuW96E2zviYTKsJufE While confirm you have sent collateral, please mention collateral refund address. Fees of refund of the collateral will be deducted from the collateral. Collateral has been sent. TXID: ce2f7d3e54ada587996fb8a4f9f255e21bae9c986a57bb85eb56be6a585c81b4 Collateral repayment adresse: DdzFFzCqrht7F1E1zczZjFimEpBi11CMKgf2e8gt3GvkVaNYAawu9bFJG4j5PVJ9aW2BV119JdosqQY 2YLK1hU1Ek2G3noyvGmHUEu6u Collateral Received. BTC Sent. Trx: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/da16190acf77d73406509466a62439338a7eeccf495bd60bb26d0d5cd0309744Repayment at: bc1qe49zeuwmg8whqa26jgn5pzm6ul4fzpdccz9s4l |
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Thank you guys. I understand the issue. I will change the loan amount and collateral offer a bit.
I will remake my loan request
Loan amount 0.007
Repayment 0.0077
CollateraL: 850 cardano
I can fill the loan. If you are ready to send collateral then let me know. You may also request loan on Lending Service Started!. I Will sumbit a request on your page. Thank you! Replied on your loan request. Please have a look on that. If that is okay then please lock this thread. Thanks. |
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Loan Amount: 0.007 BTC
Amount to be repaid: 0.0077 BTC
Repayment Date: 16 nov 2018(Maybe before)
Type of Collateral: 850 ADA(Cardano) Coin
Bitcoin Address: 1FTboVjnYhQyJRKSfpz1cBvPTEXydm3ZCW
Send collateral to: DdzFFzCqrht83Ex18JrRoBey1Y5p8ytQQHs9AjApWC6fpywtQVuj3AoCKMrPumTfQ939uhyu2vqDxYv PXErkb7yuW96E2zviYTKsJufE While confirm you have sent collateral, please mention collateral refund address. Fees of refund of the collateral will be deducted from the collateral. |
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Thank you guys. I understand the issue. I will change the loan amount and collateral offer a bit.
I will remake my loan request
Loan amount 0.007
Repayment 0.0077
CollateraL: 850 cardano
I can fill the loan. If you are ready to send collateral then let me know. You may also request loan on Lending Service Started!. |
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I do think it is something valuable! We just disagree!
Valid collateral is something which is valuable. Here valuable means can be sold at any time to recover the loan amount if you default. But in this case if you default the loan, this pool will have 0 value. |
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Hmm... Would you still accept my account as collateral for a future loan? I was reading your questions in another thread. Both sides of the debate have good points. I really like my account so really its just punishment for me to not have it for 2 weeks. After I get my finances sorted I'll probably join a sig campaign.
Account trading is highly discouraged. As I will not trade, I will take account as collateral to save others from being scammed eg: prevent to take loan from any other user, make any trade which payment is reversible and/or sell account. |
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It is really non of my business what you will do, I only expressed my personal opinion about taking accounts as collateral because, at some point, you will have to sell them and I don't really want to talk about account trades on this forum because it has been discussed many times.
Thanks for your clarification. Depending on rank and how many merits an account has, and account could be decent collateral, but I thought the account-selling market had pretty much bottomed out. Anyway, I really wish lenders would stop accepting them as collateral because that only perpetuates account selling. And yeah, we've been over this a thousand times already.
I was waiting to get response from you and marlboroza. I follow several persons and both are you on that list. As taking collateral is not harmful and it is not account trading I will take account as collateral. In this way, there will have hurry to repay, there will be no chance to scam more by account trading or any scam trading eg: paypal skrill or take any other loan like pinkerman---. But I will never sell any account. Thanks both of you. If account sales dropped 95%, it will probably make quite a few account farmers stop. Many account farmers are also guilty of posting spam and plagiarized content in order to try and and rank up accounts.
I agree with you. Also after merit system, rank up is too high so account trading should decrease day by day. Earlier anyone could rank up account only by saying: hi, hello, +1 etc. But now it is impossible. There is no chance to get a single merit without good post. I think 50% trade should be stopped within few months. There are few others reasons too. Bounty abusers are getting tagged, account traders are getting tagged, spammer are getting tagged, scammer are getting tagged, Paid ann promoters also getting tagged. |
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I'm not sure how effective that would be. There are too many personal message apps that can be used, as well as e-mail. There is only so much that a web crawler can do. Also, someone can take on many different identities on the internet. Moreover, AFAIK, engaging in account sales is not an illegal act in any jurisdiction. Furthermore, I do not think Theymos wants to expend time and money to issue cease and desist letters and other legal action to try and stop this in civil court.
If there is a way to stop a harmful effect for forum, I think that should do for the forum. What would probably help the most is for the forum to implement silver, gold, platinum and diamond memberships. Silver would get you the same editing privileges as a member; gold as a full member; platinum as a Sr member and diamond as a hero/legendary. That way people can have the option for paying for privileges directly to bitcointalk rather than buying a higher ranked account, or hoping to rank up. Furthermore, if they paid for a membership, they may be encouraged not to go about trying to get away with copy/paste bullshit by creating an endless supply of throw-away accounts. The new memberships probably will not completely stop the account market, however; it may decrease the demand by quite a bit and make it less profitable. I think if admin make paid membership as you mentioned then account trade will decrease 95%. But in this case what will be the benefit? What will be the benefit by stopping account sales by the way you mentioned? traded account and paid membership can be used on same purpose. |
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Anyway, if you think it breaks any rule or it may harm our forum please let me know. I will stop it. I want to say one thing that I do not want to do anything which will be harmful for the forum or any forum member.
I am not sure it's harmful for forum or not but it's really harmful for you. Collateral an account equal to account trade. What you will do if borrower never return your loan? Will you attempt to sale account ? Or only leave with red trust? However you will in lose. For example if someone want to sale his account, he will not post himself due to red trust. But he could take loan from you if you allow for collateral. He will take loan from you and skip with fund. You can't do anything except sale account. On the other hand you don't know the account from where came on. May be someone hacked others account, who know ? Although you are directly not involved with account sale but if you accept for collateral it's means you are encourage them to trade account which is shady work. So better avoid account collateral for loan. It's totally my own opinion. Since account sale allowed by forum I can't force you. But personally I really don't like who involved with account trade. I have already edited my terms on loan thread (only altcoin as collateral). Giving loan by taking bct account as collateral almost same to non collateral loan. If take bct account as collateral then s/he will not be able to take another loan or will not be able to trade or do any violation which can be harmful for the forum. For example: pinkman12345 took two loan at a time and defaulted. If it was taken collateral by the first person then s/he could not default another one. I/you (we cant read anyone's mind but we should be conscious as much as possible. If I give loan by taking bct account as collateral or without collateral I check signature. Or give bitcoin to previous staked address (as exchange address cant be used to verify signature). And also if take account as collateral then s/he will try to repay as soon as possible. If any borrower still default a loan then nothing to do. actmyname asked loan without collateral and received from two person .25 BTC I guess as I have not followed latter. And once s/he checked he refunded last sender. So,it is difficult to understand by rank who will default and who not. Someone defaulting 0.0001 BTC and someone not defaulting .5 BTCI'm not sure how effective that would be. There are too many personal message apps that can be used, as well as e-mail. There is only so much that a web crawler can do. Also, someone can take on many different identities on the internet. Moreover, AFAIK, engaging in account sales is not an illegal act in any jurisdiction. Furthermore, I do not think Theymos wants to expend time and money to issue cease and desist letters and other legal action to try and stop this in civil court.
If there is a way to stop a harmful effect for forum, I think that should do for the forum. |
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People can just take this outside of the forum, (and many do.)
Many people can buy/sell accounts out of posting on bitcointalk. Steps should take ASAP: If there is a way to find out account sellers that could be helpful for the forum. This is my personal thought and also I think developer or coder will do something.
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@TP they are taking forum accounts as collateral. I think I have said more than enough with this. Sorry but I am not recommending or encouraging account sales.
Actually you do. When someone default, you will have to liquidate account. Bro, my loan thread is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.0For few member I keep their account as collateral. Sothat they cant take any other loan or cant make any scam. Anyway, if you think it breaks any rule or it may harm our forum please let me know. I will stop it. I want to say one thing that I do not want to do anything which will be harmful for the forum or any forum member. Edit:I have edited my terms for collateral. Yet I am waiting for both of your opinion. According to my current rule I will not take account as collateral. But if you think it will not be harmful for forum then I may take account as collateral. Until you response that will remain stopped. |
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Agreed, and am not hiding anything; anyone would be willing to help can skype, call, ask for ID... anything. And deep down I know it'l need a miracle for sure.
Thanks anyway
By taking call on skype, taking ID, Passport, Mobile number, Telephone number, NID, Social ID, Driving Licence even all id of your family members cant help anything if you default. That's why these cant be valid collateral; you can call valid collateral which can be sold anytime. |
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I have read that account sales allowed but discouraged. I am trying to find it out. I will edit my post asap. Sorry but I am not recommending or encouraging account sales. I wanted to say if account sales against forum rule or it can make us harmful then we should complain to the forum admin sothat they can change their rule by mentioning account sales not allow.
You don't have to edit your post--your thoughts and opinions aren't going to get you in trouble about this matter. I was just trying to clarify the situation for you. Also, the rule (or lack of one) about account selling isn't likely to change anytime soon, though it's been suggested many times. It's the same with scammers. They're free to scam as much as they like without facing any consequences from moderators or admins--but the community deals with them much the same way as account sellers (or at least some of them do). Sorry edited before seeing your post. As it is already discussed and there is no chance to change rule soon, I think negative trust is must. Though I think it might not stop account selling as almost all post made by newbie account which has no value and account seller can make deal on other site or social media which was mentioned on faq on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_faqIf there is a way to find out account sellers that could be helpful for the forum. This is my personal thought and also I think developer or coder will do something. |
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Account sell is not prohibited by the forum admin or moderator. Account sells allowed by them. If it breaks any rule then better to make complain to the forum admin sothat they can reconsider the case.
You're saying it's allowed by the admins and in the same breath you're recommending that account sales get reported to them? Or maybe I just misinterpreted your post, which wasn't very clearly written. I have read that account sales allowed but discouraged. I am trying to find it out. I will edit my post asap. Sorry but I am not recommending or encouraging account sales. I wanted to say if account sales against forum rule or it can make us harmful then we should complain to the forum admin sothat they can change their rule by mentioning account sales not allow. Edit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_faqRule number 18. Please have a look. I am almost new. So, I might have mistake. Please dont take it seriously. |
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