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7341  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🚀 Sportsbet.io- Club House- The best EURO 2021 promotions around!!🚀 on: June 19, 2021, 01:55:31 PM
RIP Mbappe fts special, I was itching to pull trigger on a Hungary 1st Half upset at 9/1 but did NOT see this coming. France should really take more shots on goal, I remember their keeper wasn't too good but he's not even been tested properly, while Lloris failed on his first test -- hate those near post goals which you should always cover.

Mbappe still good to watch though, if they hold their nerve we still can get a win.

2,865/1!! how is that even possible? All Pre Live.. and he had a decent stab at it too.  Shocked Shocked
Jesus Christ! 2,865/1? Wow. This guy is either an expert at betting or randomly struck gold thanks to insane luck. He won nearly 9 grand by placing a miniscule bet. Loving these accumulator wins.

Check it, it's 2,865 boosted to 3,867! That 35% boost made it even more legendary hot damn.
7342  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin be the biggest bubble economy in history? on: June 19, 2021, 01:08:26 PM
You live in a more progressive society than me. I literally this year alone was almost in a conversation where people were in agreement that Bitcoin was only used by money launderers and cocaine drug lords. They were not being funny, either. They were top-of-the-line highly-qualified finance people with decades of collective experience and education. I just shrugged and said "you're right".

Those are actually excellent use cases for Bitcoin, and may it never be stopped from being used for moving value across countries illegaly, and for buying drugs from the dark markets. The moment the authorities can stop Bitcoin from being used for illegal activities, is the moment Bitcoin has lost its main value proposition.

Indeed. Use case is use case. In fact, governments trying to stop Bitcoin (I'll always remember the US sanctioning of Bitcoin addresses and how that actually led to more anon donations going to those addresses as a funny case) only proves Bitcoin's main value proposition, as you say. Marathon is only the latest to realise the folly of trying to stop/censor any part of the network.
7343  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io Betting discussion thread rev on: June 19, 2021, 12:29:41 PM
Round 3 Bet Free 6-6 is open, don't forget gentlemen!

https://sportsbet.io/sports/bet-free-6-6

21 in a group is going as well as could be expected. We have that great group with Netherlands, Ukraine...

I am more disappointed with over 11.5 in all groups. No way we are getting there in England group. They are my biggest disappointment of the tournament so far. One of the favourites should play better and much more attacking. Kane did not have a shot in 2 games. WTF? Go take tips from Italy and Belgium.

Even as round 2 was going on I was already prepared to get money back on all those specials; to be fair, most of them were not expected to hit anyway, but let's see if Spain/France/Germany can still remind us why they were the early tournament favourites (except England which I think is always because of bookie margins they totally don't deserve their odds). Group D now need to find a way to score 6 in their final game, so that alone should kill that special... but then we also have E and F who're competing to disappoint;)

Group A: 10
Group B: 9
Group C: 14
Group D: 6
Group E: 4 with 2 games in hand
Group F: 5 with 1 game in hand

I've actually been doing well with picks, problem for me is I've also been parlaying them with Copa and Asian games which keep losing me legs. That said, I've won back insurance almost every day now on the 5-legs, as EURO favs minus England have been showing up.
7344  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Odds, units advantage | Sportsbook | +62395 units on: June 19, 2021, 11:28:11 AM
I am very disappointed with England's performance. They were 2nd or 3rd favorite to take the EURO and they are playing like shit. Their wings are not allowed to go forward, they are playing with 2 defensive midfielders against teams like Scotland...Than Kane comes back to his own half to get the ball and England is left with just one action that looks dangerous. Long ball from mount behind defense and let Sterling run. Way too little for the squad Southgate has.

Scotland draw or handicap was a value bet and that was one of my parlay legs yesterday (ruined by Czech Republic not winning though haha). I know I could be saying this as a biased Liverpool fan but the way his team was set up felt like he forgot he doesn't have Trent feeding in crosses from the right flank.

They broke their group hoodoo this year by winning their first game (5D 4L in their previous 9 tournaments) but this is the familiar England I've always remembered in WC and EURO. Overhyped and blunt, can't even really showcase their supposed Premier League physicality.

I know they're still probably progress but you're right. He's got Sancho (16 goals, 20 assists last season) whom every bloody club wants NOT playing. You've got Grealish (6 goals, 10 assists but missed a lot of games and well, plays for Villa) who only got 30 mins yesterday. I think Foden's great, but time to switch it up or hell, throw them all on! At least for me fefinitely time to try one game without damned Sterling.
7345  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin to 13k. FORECAST on: June 19, 2021, 10:21:35 AM
If the OP is really serious he should make an account on Deribit and buy the Dec 31 2021 $16000 PUT option. Currently this option costs 0.03BTC. around $1100. So if BTC goes to $12K anytime before the end of the year, that option will be worth at least $4000, most likely much higher due to the premium. So unless BTC is $12K on Dec 31 2021, it will be worth maybe $5-6K.

So with a $1100 investment the OP can easily 5-6x his money. And even if he is wrong and it goes to like $19K, he will still most likely double or triple his money. He can also buy the Sept 24 2021 $16000 Put for only $400 currently. So if it goes to $12K before Sept 24th, that option will be worth at least $4K so he will 10x his money.



Gotta confess I don't know much about options trading so this does sound like a good risk to reward ratio if your numbers work out. Definitely makes sense for these bear predictors and shorters to show off their put options. But since none, not even resident bear proudhon, do that, we all know it's not money where the mouth is, or that it's further reverse attempt FUD.

Just suddenly realise now this is probably why there's a lot of options demand from miners and such. Seems like a good hedge for such a small outlay. Always thought price had to hit for them on options.
7346  Economy / Speculation / Re: Number of transactions declining in last 2 months. on: June 19, 2021, 09:17:40 AM
Didn't notice it but I was expecting mempool to fill up after the last difficulty adjustment (13 or 14% was it?) but could still send 1 sat/byte txs and they went through fine.

Not sure if anyone mentioned, didn't scroll every page but maybe it's also layer2 eating up some of those txs? Lightning use with the Arnhem bitcoin city merchs have been slowly picking up after a huge drop during Covid lockdown (shops finally open again in past couple of weeks). Small nett effect I guess but maybe but that plays a role? Is it possible also more people sending each other on consumer apps that are off chain?
7347  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Odds, units advantage | Sportsbook | +62395 units on: June 19, 2021, 08:41:52 AM
Pah. Upsets did not happen, I almost thought Scotland might take it too, actually had more shots on goal than England and I think the 3 Lions will feel absolutely let down by their performance.

It's been pretty good for favourites so far and I made a mistake of parlaying too many other legs so:

100 units on France, Portugal, Spain to WIN @6.40. Other odds: 6.10
Units advantage: 30

Running advantage after 381 bets: +25,714 (+30)
All-time cumulative: +64,112
Running units after 380 bets (63W|317L): +15,878 (-100)
7348  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io Betting discussion thread rev on: June 19, 2021, 06:52:13 AM
The second 0-0 of the group stages so far, and tight 1-0s and 1-1s, I guess the 120 goal special is looking worse and worse, and also running out of games for the Over 4.5 goals scored by a team in a match. And also not so good for 21 in a group.

Ah well, we can hope for a crazy round 3, hopefully for those guys desperate to get 3rd?

On the yellows, we're getting there, aren't we guys? Trofo def what I was thinking too if it's just Italy, good to hedge on a no-yellows single. I'll scout around already.
7349  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io "Soccer Blackjack" @ 21.00 odds on: June 18, 2021, 06:00:13 PM
^ Yeah actually it doesn't always appear for me either in the specials tab, but I always check the Offers tab in Club Talk, click the link of the offer (including BJ) and then it takes me to the betslip where I just follow. But def helps to track this thread and get an alert as soon as someone discovers it's up.

Oh and we're another step closer to yellow cards hit. Didn't watch any of today's matches but...

Teams yet to get yellows and games left:
- Italy, 1
- Netherlands, 2
- Denmark, 2
- Belgium, 2
- Scotland, 2
- Czech Republic, 2
- Spain, 2
- France, 2
7350  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Odds, units advantage | Sportsbook | +62395 units on: June 18, 2021, 09:11:31 AM
Well we got the money back, insured as America didn't win their game. Big shame boo=) But what a EURO it's been for the favourites so far... only 2 upsets I can think of and they weren't that big. A bit lazy for tonight, wasted last night's parlays so another small outright.

100 units at Sportsbet on Slovakia to WIN vs Sweden @4.50. Other odds: 4.40
Units advantage: 10

Running advantage after 380 bets: +25,684 (+10)
All-time cumulative: +64,082
Running units after 379 bets (63W|316L): +15,978 (-0)
7351  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io Betting discussion thread rev on: June 18, 2021, 06:51:58 AM
Italy has me worried, 2 games without yellow and they are playing very good. Hopefully they will rotate some players for the last much and one of them will be a little to eager and earn yellow card. I believe other teams will get at least that one yellow.
Well, I'm pretty sure that after today's matches we will be just as worried about the Netherlands and Belgium as we are worried about Italy, I would not like that, but it is likely. I'm not particularly worried about France, Spain and Denmark, since Denmark needs a lot of points, as a result of the game with her participation should be tense, (with France and Spain, everything is clear).

Every Team To Have A Yellow Card In The Group Stages

Group A: Turkey 🟨, Italy, Wales 🟨, Switzerland 🟨

Group B: Denmark, Finland 🟨, Belgium, Russia 🟨

Group C: Netherlands, Ukraine 🟨, Austria 🟨, North Macedonia 🟨

Group D: England 🟨, Croatia 🟨, Scotland, Czech Republic

Group E: Spain, Sweden 🟨, Poland 🟨, Slovakia 🟨

Group F: Hungary 🟨, Portugal 🟨, France, Germany 🟨


Ah, so I see morvillz and others have been keeping track of this too, and yep, definitely refs have been more... premier league if you want to say. Very relaxed with tackles and fouls, giving the foul but not trigger happy with the cards.

Yesterday's games were very productive, giving cards to Denmark, Belgium, and even a nice unnecessary Dutch foul to tick them off the box too.

Ordinarily not worried about Italy but yeah they have NOT been playing with any pressure at all, and the same for France who will feel they got the toughest game out of the way.

As it stands:
Czech, Spain, France, Italy are left, but let's hope we only need to wait on Italy after this week of Matchday 2 games!
7352  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Finals in June 2021! on: June 17, 2021, 05:41:28 PM
Only 1-1 for Belgium until now. I really don't understand how they can be rank 1 for FIFA while their team suck and they never won anything at all.
The ranking system needs to change it is not possible that a team like France, winner of the last World cup is behind them.

De Bruyne is a god.

He is a god indeed and damn I did NOT know they were ranked 1st in FIFA... but coefficients generally do suck if you take it on a case by case basis. In this case the table does lie.

2-1 and yeah, everything is nice and dandy for me, as put Belgians in too many parlays for me, thinking the 2/1 odds were great!

Won't mind a couple more goals just to keep the group fullproof.
7353  Economy / Speculation / Re: A Brazen Prediction of the Future on: June 17, 2021, 03:56:14 PM
Hate to break it to you bud, but your future predictions are relatively tame. Nothing's brazen anymore once you've had ex US Presidential campaigners putting a $1M number on Bitcoin.... last year. He's sitting in Spanish jail now (that wasn't his reward of course) and since then not many have ventured into his territory.

A decade only before US dollar falls from global dominance you say?

And what about digital yuan set to make its mark in a couple of years?

Keep em coming. Deserves all my remaining merits for the Thursday entertainment.
7354  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io "Soccer Blackjack" @ 21.00 odds on: June 17, 2021, 02:50:34 PM
I actually expected the Dutch game but happy I checked here, and happy birthday icopress =) I'll tell you where I am so you can come, all covid-certified and spill me my beers if this actually hits!

Ukraine keeping us alive and well with those goals (if only they converted the pen)... and like you, I'm slightly worried Italy won't get their yellow in their final game, so let's hope the Welsh give them a hard time eh? My other concern is also Denmark actually, if they're still down in the dumps, then it's going to be really, really tough to get a foul.

Teams yet to get yellows and games left:
- Italy, 1
- Netherlands, 2
- Denmark, 2
- Belgium, 2
- Scotland, 2
- Czech Republic, 2
- Spain, 2
- France, 2
7355  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin be the biggest bubble economy in history? on: June 17, 2021, 12:01:52 PM
Look at it in macro view. You will see better adoption and higher highs for yearly lowest price.

You live in a more progressive society than me. I literally this year alone was almost in a conversation where people were in agreement that Bitcoin was only used by money launderers and cocaine drug lords. They were not being funny, either. They were top-of-the-line highly-qualified finance people with decades of collective experience and education. I just shrugged and said "you're right".
7356  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io Betting discussion thread rev on: June 17, 2021, 09:52:02 AM
There is a lot of us on that bet and I don't like that. Too much money in the mix and then something always goes wrong. Hopefully this time we will all cash in big bucks.

I had high hopes for that EURO promo Itally, Portugal, England, Belgium and Spain to win first matches and it was going so well and than Spain screwed us over. Good thing at least we got our stake back since all other choices managed to win.

It was only available for a short while, but yeah I think a lot of people took it. Definitely hoping we cash in big, but I actually only put in a freebet there, so not expecting anything and not losing anything. And yeah, so far so good for money backs. No losses yet on those, at this rate, goals scored and yellows, if we even hit ONE special I'll be very pleased.

Don't forget Bet Free 6-6 guys. New round starts tomorrow so get your picks in. I went for a LOT of goals =D
7357  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: General Motors May Start Accepting Bitcoin If There's Customer Demand on: June 17, 2021, 08:39:20 AM
May be no one bought Tesla car with bitcoin. Bitcoin traders and investors don't have to buy a car with valuable cryptocurrencies . They are interested to hold bitcoin for longer periods.

My point, yup. People confuse Bitcoin speculators and investors with users. They're not all using, even maybe most aren't.

Probably the only ones tempted of those deals are guys who already made x100 on some serious investments, not just 10k-20k and are simply getting tired and bored of waiting till they end in a retirement house to enjoy life. Not that I see what GM could tent somebody for that purpose, except maybe a Stingray.

Yeah, only Bitcoin rich, those who do it just for the ego boost. Nothing wrong with that either, just that all these companies accepting Bitcoin doesn't mean much. A guy comes in with 10 BTC and wants to buy from a merch that doesn't accept it? They'll come to agreements for sure.

Just after posting the previous message, I read this one in my updated list:

Why would I pay for a cup of coffee with bitcoin when in a decade or two that same bitcoin would buy a computer... in that same amount of time that same amount of fiat that buys that coffee today would only buy half of it. No sir, use the fiat for the coffee and HODL onto the bitcoin. :-)

If one can't part with 10k satoshi I don't see a $70k purchase happening either.

There you go. Not enough people believe in using. And again, nothing wrong with that. It just means a lot of the adoption news we're getting pushed actually isn't meaningful.
7358  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Odds, units advantage | Sportsbook | +62395 units on: June 17, 2021, 05:38:21 AM
Sigh. It wasn't so long ago I remember Turkey beating France in the WC qualifiers, and just not too long ago either Netherlands, and I'm thinking what good underdogs they are.

Apparently, not so good as slight favourites!

Anyway, more EURO favs and some tough home wins in Brasil?

100 units boosted, insured at Sportsbet on Netherlands, Ukraine, Belgium, Fluminense, America FC to WIN @20.22. Other odds: 19.10
Units advantage: 112

Running advantage after 379 bets: +25,674 (+112)
All-time cumulative: +64,072
Running units after 378 bets (63W|315L): +15,978 (-100)
7359  Economy / Speculation / Re: FUD-slingers saying 20K this weekend... on: June 16, 2021, 08:41:22 PM
Possible to #35k again, price swing negatively now, down from $40k to $38k now.

We are far from the weekend, but I wouldn't surprised to see after the FED meeting on Wednesday-Thursday (depending on your timezone).

But if I'm not mistaken, before the FED decision, all other traditional markets is flat so we will see what will be the net effect on a volatile market such as crypto.

My guess is nil nett effect at best, since we're expecting "good news" and further pressure downwards if the unexpected happens. So nope. Fed decision not gonna help in a positive way. And yeah, 40k resistance standing strong mid-month. Altcoins all doing their best to project bright outlooks on defi I can see but also not having much impact.

Far way from home, and we're deep in the woods right now. I'm enjoying it as much as possible, of course -D
7360  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: General Motors May Start Accepting Bitcoin If There's Customer Demand on: June 16, 2021, 06:54:31 PM
If there's customer demand? Bitcoin holders there can't even demand to pay for pizza with Bitcoin. Everyone trying to stack their sats and refusing to use it. Why would they splash out more than 1btc on a car?

Come to think of it, how many Teslas were bought with Bitcoin when they supposedly accepted it?
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