In all of my research regarding the law, the proper role of government, and other similar systems, I just can't seem to see the possibility of a perfect anarchy, or left of anarchy, such as some version of libertarianism.

see: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=21217.msg341902#msg341902

Which is to say, if we all played by the obvious rules (do no harm, do as you have agreed to) then society could be perfectly content with an anarchy. That of course, isn't what we have. There are, and always will be criminals, and they will still break the basic tenets of an orderly society. They just can't seem to keep their hands to themselves. So what do we do? The only thing we can. Provide for a means of punishment. Presumably these punishments should be proportional to the crime, but significant enough such that the would-be criminal might think twice about what he/she is about to attempt.

Of course, even that isn't a sufficient enough deterrent for some, but that's the best we can do. As it were, "an eye for an eye" is as close to 'just' as we can get.

So here's the question. Do we let governments compete for the definition of what law is, or do we permit the few (whoever they are) whom we vote in as overseers of this process, and put checks and balances in place so they can't arbitrarily circumvent the basic principles? I think, although I can't be sure, that if we had a menagerie of competing governments, it's likely that they would eventually devolve into feudal waring tribes. I could imagine them each seeking retribution on the other for violations of their societal laws. This would go on forever. It would be nice if there was a universal standard, but even given the rhetoric of these threads/forums, even the basics can't be agreed upon.

Ok if we're all for brevity we could just say: 'Protect Contract'

Why "protect contract". Well that's easy. You can't have self government without control over your own life. If you have that right, then you have a right to property - to which you can make a title claim. Without such property claim, your life cannot be sustained. From those former 2 premises constitutes ones liberties, choices, decisions and or agency over what is one's own. Once you assume that, every interaction (if consensual) between men can be defined as contract. Even simple barter exchange represents a simple contract. Contract implies an absence of coersion and force, otherwise it would just be theft, rapine or expropriation. But that would be assuming a lot of things.

So 'PROTECT CONTRACT'. There you go. Was that short enough for ya?

My apologies for the jargon and length. It was as short as I could reasonbly make it without leaving loopholes and unanswered questions.

It is my personal belief that my "Law" document contains the entirety of the definition of Law. I wish I could have made it shorter. Any shorter, and you have might have to start assuming things. Not something scientists like to do as they tend to get called on it. Some parts of 6.x could be condensed, I suppose.

Of course, this document doesn't suggest one type of government over another, nor the application thereof, just the template for such things, as it were.

At the very least, there could be less confusion as to why one man justifies the application force against another and under what circumstances.

Unfortunately, when life isn't "fair" we jump on the legislative bandwagon without realizing what the consequences are.

I forgot to mention that 6.5 and 6.6 also reinforce what 6.1 implies. That being, intellectual property, or whatever you wish to call it, cannot force another man from his property without his consent. You cannot break the cardinal rule of "no theft, no injury", if the property cannot be exchanged with proper incentive sans coersion. To wit, you would commit an act of plunder thru legislative fiat. Simple Simon.

Lysnander Spooner said it eloquently,

"If they can offer him no inducements, sufficient to procure his free consent to part with it, they must leave him in the quiet enjoyment of what is his own."

I'm curious what "tl/dr" means MoonShadow.
I am a physicist and engineer.

Here's the thing about IP. One must define what property is. If it is in physical things, and those things can be possessed, then they become property. For property to be property it has to have some degree of exclusivity (at least for a measurable amount of time). IP is real property while it resides in your head or hidden in a pattern on a piece of parchment. However, once you let the cat out of the bag, that pattern, knowledge, truth, or fact becomes public, then others can now retain a similitude of that knowledge. In fact it's now almost impossible to prevent the dissemination thereof.

To then claim that semblence or pattern now contained on another man's property, is to claim that property itself. IP has the problems associated with censorship and theft. We all emulate each other and nature. That's how we learn and change behaviourly. If I were the first to "invent" or "discover" that 1+1=2 or how to build a house, then I could reasonably coerce all of mankind. And thru my heirs and assigns effectively force the world to yield to me for the use of that knowledge forever.

It's bad enough that we fight over scarce things. But now were trying to intentionally create scarcity thru force and manipulation of other's property. Yikes!

Have you read my post? I'd welcome all opinion and critiques. Bash away. Thanks for the neighborly invite

In my #360 post/thread about what the law is, that's exactly how I wrote it. It is physics.

If the law does not coincide with the laws of physics (known to man thru observation and empirical evidence) followed by experimentation, then you merely have dogma, indoctrination, personal opinion, or religion.

To be clear here. I have no beef with anybody's religion or opinions etc. But the second you make it law, I'll take issue with it. Law is force legalized. We all should be very careful as to its application per chance we commit acts of plunder, enslavement or murder/injury (these being in direct opposition to protection of life, liberty, and property).

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=21217.msg341902#msg341902

Right??

Is nobody going to respond, or am I getting to complicated here. Seems pretty obvious...


Men, Women, Agent(s), Person(s), and Life collectively or individually have synonymous equivalent meaning herein. De facto entrusted crucially dependent Life admits safe guardianship or conveyance thereto.
1.   All men are equal in Rights.
  1.1.   All men are intrinsically free, whose expression when manifest, admits autonomy.
  1.2.   Rights exist because man exists (consequent to Life).
  1.3.   Rights are inalienable and inherent, hence discovered not created.
  1.4.   Man commits autonomous choices apart from all other men.
2.   Rights are defined as the Liberty to control, secure and defend one’s Property and Life.
3.   Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything not in violation of other’s Rights.
4.   Rights Violations are unprovoked physical aggressions (UPAs) initiated by man against another, or Breaches of Contract (BOCs), resulting in an incontrovertible diminishment in one’s Rights.
  4.1.   UPAs are non-consenting acts which cause an Object (Property or Life) to undergo a transferred or transformed change to the Object’s original energy state or condition.
  4.2.   Energy transfer to/from an Object or energy transformation of the Object occurs by means of three ways, namely: thermodynamic work, heat transfer, or mass transfer.
  4.3.   Contracts are compulsory promissory agreements involving Property or Life (and specific performances or forbearances therewith) between mutually consenting men.
  4.4.   Misrepresentation of Contract obligations or BOCs resulting in misappropriation of Property or Life, or expenditures related thereto, is subject to Rights Violations.
5.   Property can be anything comprised of physical material matter (PMM).
6.   Property is the exclusive non-simultaneous possession or dominion of discrete PMM.
  6.1.   Unconstrained/non-delimited/uncontrolled PMM (UPMM), UPMM effusions or energy transmissions, are not Property; they are ownerless nonexclusive UPMM or Emissions thereof, until physically made to become otherwise.
  6.2.   A Property’s inertial reference frame, dimensions, Emissions/Emitters, usage and genesis thereof, define and constitute its Property Scope Ambit (PSA).
  6.3.   PSAs that initiate tangible material perturbations which intersect or preclude another’s preexisting or antecedent PSAs may be subject to Rights Violations.
 6.4.   Preexisting antecedent unconstrained Emitters cannot proscribe the receipt of similar, both in magnitude and direction, intersecting Emissions Flux.
  6.5.   Property cannot transform into something extracorporeal, extrinsic or compulsory due to the manipulation or interpretation of its PMM composition.
  6.6.   Absent Contract and Force, Property or Life of one man shall not control, compel or impede Property or Life of another.
  6.7.   Unintentional personal ingress vouchsafes unimpeded passage and egress.
7.   Force is the means –proportionate to the aggression– to obstruct, inhibit or extirpate the Rights of any man who interferes with or imminently threatens the Rights of other men.
  7.1.   Force can only be applied to resolve Rights Violations and is consequently just.
  7.2.   Man, or an Agent to man, must ascertain that a Rights Violation has occurred.
  7.3.   Man is severally liable and accountable for solely his Rights Violations a posteriori.
8.   Justice, viz., lawfulness effectuates disjunctive Rights between men.
9.   That which is neither just nor lawful is Violence and imperils the Rights of man.
10.   Violence causes inequality (unequal in Rights of man) and is forbidden.

Here's your answer to the maximum role of Government. There isn't anything else (there might even be less).


Men, Women, Agent(s), Person(s), and Life collectively or individually have synonymous equivalent meaning herein. De facto entrusted crucially dependent Life admits safe guardianship or conveyance thereto.
1.   All men are equal in Rights.
  1.1.   All men are intrinsically free, whose expression when manifest, admits autonomy.
  1.2.   Rights exist because man exists (consequent to Life).
  1.3.   Rights are inalienable and inherent, hence discovered not created.
  1.4.   Man commits autonomous choices apart from all other men.
2.   Rights are defined as the Liberty to control, secure and defend one’s Property and Life.
3.   Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything not in violation of other’s Rights.
4.   Rights Violations are unprovoked physical aggressions (UPAs) initiated by man against another, or Breaches of Contract (BOCs), resulting in an incontrovertible diminishment in one’s Rights.
  4.1.   UPAs are non-consenting acts which cause an Object (Property or Life) to undergo a transferred or transformed change to the Object’s original energy state or condition.
  4.2.   Energy transfer to/from an Object or energy transformation of the Object occurs by means of three ways, namely: thermodynamic work, heat transfer, or mass transfer.
  4.3.   Contracts are compulsory promissory agreements involving Property or Life (and specific performances or forbearances therewith) between mutually consenting men.
  4.4.   Misrepresentation of Contract obligations or BOCs resulting in misappropriation of Property or Life, or expenditures related thereto, is subject to Rights Violations.
5.   Property can be anything comprised of physical material matter (PMM).
6.   Property is the exclusive non-simultaneous possession or dominion of discrete PMM.
  6.1.   Unconstrained/non-delimited/uncontrolled PMM (UPMM), UPMM effusions or energy transmissions, are not Property; they are ownerless nonexclusive UPMM or Emissions thereof, until physically made to become otherwise.
  6.2.   A Property’s inertial reference frame, dimensions, Emissions/Emitters, usage and genesis thereof, define and constitute its Property Scope Ambit (PSA).
  6.3.   PSAs that initiate tangible material perturbations which intersect or preclude another’s preexisting or antecedent PSAs may be subject to Rights Violations.
 6.4.   Preexisting antecedent unconstrained Emitters cannot proscribe the receipt of similar, both in magnitude and direction, intersecting Emissions Flux.
  6.5.   Property cannot transform into something extracorporeal, extrinsic or compulsory due to the manipulation or interpretation of its PMM composition.
  6.6.   Absent Contract and Force, Property or Life of one man shall not control, compel or impede Property or Life of another.
  6.7.   Unintentional personal ingress vouchsafes unimpeded passage and egress.
7.   Force is the means –proportionate to the aggression– to obstruct, inhibit or extirpate the Rights of any man who interferes with or imminently threatens the Rights of other men.
  7.1.   Force can only be applied to resolve Rights Violations and is consequently just.
  7.2.   Man, or an Agent to man, must ascertain that a Rights Violation has occurred.
  7.3.   Man is severally liable and accountable for solely his Rights Violations a posteriori.
8.   Justice, viz., lawfulness effectuates disjunctive Rights between men.
9.   That which is neither just nor lawful is Violence and imperils the Rights of man.
10.   Violence causes inequality (unequal in Rights of man) and is forbidden.

Oh, and I forgot to mention one thing. The reason why me or anyone else should determine why we have laws and what and for who they should be for, is exactly so we can draw a simple line in the sand. The line in the sand merely determines if some force was unwillingly applied to another persons life or property in a unconsented to way. Nothing more, nothing less.

Discussing what is fair and not fair really is a subjective matter. Even manipulation, though not nice, does not, in and of itself, violate laws. It all depends on what your contract states.

Everything we engage another person in exchange for, is effectively a contract. If that contract, for example, states that you get to trade faster than the next guy, and there are no guarantees or warranties that explicitly state you are provided similar privilege (as per a contract), then you get to live with the fact you may not get your order executed in time.

I know that HFT seems sneaky and underhanded, but if you don't like it, don't engage in that trade system. Make your own. Of course, the second government comes in and creates special privileges, licenses, platforms, and other whatnot laws, then things have changed. Now the manipulation has become plunder. You no longer have a market of freely trading individuals. The manipulation has now become forceful. Now we have a real problem.

This is the problem we should all be trying to put down. Monopolies (of the forceful type) can now arise to put down any competition that would "right the ship" if left to their druthers. Your plucky laws have now come back to bite you. The very thing you felt was unfair, has now become unlawful. It no longer serves to protect life, liberty and property, but does the exact opposite. Your forced solidarity is now shackling what would be a free market.

You might then say that the laws were designed to prevent or reduce fraud. They do no such thing. We already have laws for fraud. They have been around for thousands of years and they aren't that hard to figure out. To wit they must merely show that what you agreed to (transfer of property, performance or any forbearances thereto) was not fulfilled.

Artificially manipulating a market to keep people "honest" only destroys a free market.

If you'd like to discuss what the proper role of government and what laws are defined and to be used for, I'll post my definitions for review again.

I've spent the last year improving, defining, and refining how everyone could have the maximum amount of freedoms and liberties and the minimum amount of tyranny.

P.S. It wasn't as hard as I thought it would be.

My original post is here:

https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=25184.msg329602#msg329602

Here is my take on the purpose and role of Government:
Hopefully it clarifies any confusion in this thread

Men, Women, Agent(s), Person(s), and Life collectively or individually have synonymous equivalent meaning herein. De facto entrusted crucially dependent Life admits safe guardianship or conveyance thereto.
1.   All men are equal in Rights.
  1.1.   All men are intrinsically free, whose expression when manifest, admits autonomy.
  1.2.   Rights exist because man exists (consequent to Life).
  1.3.   Rights are inalienable and inherent, hence discovered not created.
  1.4.   Man commits autonomous choices apart from all other men.
2.   Rights are defined as the Liberty to control, secure and defend one’s Property and Life.
3.   Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything not in violation of other’s Rights.
4.   Rights Violations are unprovoked physical aggressions (UPAs) initiated by man against another, or Breaches of Contract (BOCs), resulting in an incontrovertible diminishment in one’s Rights.
  4.1.   UPAs are non-consenting acts which cause an Object (Property or Life) to undergo a transferred or transformed change to the Object’s original energy state or condition.
  4.2.   Energy transfer to/from an Object or energy transformation of the Object occurs by means of three ways, namely: thermodynamic work, heat transfer, or mass transfer.
  4.3.   Contracts are compulsory promissory agreements involving Property or Life (and specific performances or forbearances therewith) between mutually consenting men.
  4.4.   Misrepresentation of Contract obligations or BOCs resulting in misappropriation of Property or Life, or expenditures related thereto, is subject to Rights Violations.
5.   Property can be anything comprised of physical material matter (PMM).
6.   Property is the exclusive non-simultaneous possession or dominion of discrete PMM.
  6.1.   Unconstrained/non-delimited/uncontrolled PMM (UPMM), UPMM effusions or energy transmissions, are not Property; they are ownerless nonexclusive UPMM or Emissions thereof, until physically made to become otherwise.
  6.2.   A Property’s inertial reference frame, dimensions, Emissions/Emitters, usage and genesis thereof, define and constitute its Property Scope Ambit (PSA).
  6.3.   PSAs that initiate tangible material perturbations which intersect or preclude another’s preexisting or antecedent PSAs may be subject to Rights Violations.
 6.4.   Preexisting antecedent unconstrained Emitters cannot proscribe the receipt of similar, both in magnitude and direction, intersecting Emissions Flux.
  6.5.   Property cannot transform into something extracorporeal, extrinsic or compulsory due to the manipulation or interpretation of its PMM composition.
  6.6.   Absent Contract and Force, Property or Life of one man shall not control, compel or impede Property or Life of another.
  6.7.   Unintentional personal ingress vouchsafes unimpeded passage and egress.
7.   Force is the means –proportionate to the aggression– to obstruct, inhibit or extirpate the Rights of any man who interferes with or imminently threatens the Rights of other men.
  7.1.   Force can only be applied to resolve Rights Violations and is consequently just.
  7.2.   Man, or an Agent to man, must ascertain that a Rights Violation has occurred.
  7.3.   Man is severally liable and accountable for solely his Rights Violations a posteriori.
8.   Justice, viz., lawfulness effectuates disjunctive Rights between men.
9.   That which is neither just nor lawful is Violence and imperils the Rights of man.
10.   Violence causes inequality (unequal in Rights of man) and is forbidden.


Suggestions welcome 

So we have to prove we have Bitcoin mojo then?

Here goes:

I'm currently running 2 mining rigs (~2500 MH/s) comprised of the following:

- 5 Sapphire HD5830 radeon cards. Settings (core @ 875 Mhz, Memory @ 300 Mhz, Volage @ 1.125 V)
- I'm running linuxcoin v.2a. I use phoenix 1.48 -k phatk and mine about 1.7 BTC a day.
- I use Deepbit's pool because the variance is greater than 20 days for me. Darn that difficulty!
- 1 GB RAM
- AMD Sempron 140. Don't need more cores unless you use Windows. An apparent OpenCL bug in the driver affects each core in a windows set-up. This can be fixed by setting the affinity to the first core, as each card seems to max the CPU core.
- A Gigabyte GA-770T USB3 (4 PCIe x1 + 1 PCIe x16 expansion slots)
- 2 x 650 W PSU's with grounds tied together. The 12V rails are tied together on one, but refused to play nicely on the other. My one GPU hit almost 127 C before it shut down. Yikes, toasty hot.
- 5 PCIe x1 flexible ribbon cable riser cards. These serve 2 purposes. To fan out the cards and keep them cooler, and also to reach all of the PCIe expansion slots, as the cards overlap adjacent connectors. I could have used a x1 to x16 riser card, but they were a little more expensive. Shoulda done it. It's a hassle to grind the connectors down.
- I had to cut slots in the female end of the riser cards connector so I could connect the x16 interface of the GPU cards to the x1 interface on the motherboard
- I'm aware of the PCIe x1 interface multi protocol issue (x1, x4, x8, x16). Some mobo's need A1 to be shorted to B17 on the connector for the communication to negotiate correctly. I just shorted B17 to B16 together because they share the same potential.
- Windows operating systems have better overclocking tools than Linux (MSI Afterburner, Trixx). They also have better miner GUI tools. Linux has more flexibility, and is slightly cheaper. It's a tradeoff.
- I've read read Satoshi Nakamoto's P2P crypto currency whitepaper. Very creative.
- My laymans version of what bitcoin is: It's like gold without the physical intrinsic nature of the gold itself.
- I'm aware that the Mt. Gox hack had nothing to do with the bitcoin protocol being compromised despite what the yellow journalistic pundits said to the contrary.

I have a question regarding the way the pools work. I understand why we have them (reduce variance) and thus share a 50 BTC reward, but I wonder why variance should be the issue in the first place.

It seems a little late in the game for changing the protocol, and it might break things badly so maybe it isn't a good idea, but here goes. Suggestions welcome:

1) Governments, who have a lot more resources than we do, can attack the centralization that the bitcoin network is going thru, i.e. two pools such as deebit and slush would cause havoc. So can we remove the need for pools? Why don't we leave the difficulty fixed to a nominal "computational processing unit" of hash-rate capability and just split the reward based on contributed processing power amongst the shares committed. This allows those who still have the most processing capability to acquire the most shares (score based or whatever) based on effort, but still allows the little guy a piece of the action without having to wait days/months/years for any kind of reward. So the reward could be anything from a nanocoin up to the maximum coin per hour (5 BTC/min). This effectively consolidates all pools into one, with maximal transparency and contribution. No centralized pools for attackers to DDOS or hackers to compromise.

2) Anyone can, and has, attacked any of the exhanges (Mt. Gox). I'm not sure what one can do about this one. This reduces, or disrupts exchange flows. Encourage more exchanges, I guess. Maybe someone could make an open source exchange website everybody could use, thus creating a similar result to the way real commodities would be exchanged from person to person a la the "diaspora" project (a sort of social network monetary exchange). Can this be built into the bitcoin protocol without bloat, or would it be a separate project?

3) Nefarious spooks and ner-do-wells could acquire more processing power. This was feasible, but is quickly becoming more difficult. Of course, a few 100 million dollars well spent, could net some interesting results. This is nothing to a government. They spend that in a few days or less. Maybe a different algorithm that produces a similar difficulty on varying machine types (i.e. an algo for Nvidia chips, x86 processors, and ATI cards). This way we can get as many processors involved as possible, and stave of any pinpoint attempts from our "friendly" government overlords.

Any suggestions, research, projects, or other cause and effects?