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741  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: So im new to bitcoin and the whole mining thing... Is bitcoin worth it? on: September 08, 2012, 01:09:53 AM
If you have the ability to buy a good ATI graphics card.. mine with it for a few months and then sell it for close to what you paid for it you can make a few bucks.

you wont get rich though.
742  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 50BTC VS Deepbit on: September 08, 2012, 01:07:24 AM
Between 50BTC and Deepbit? Would you say the two are comparable?

Comparable yes.

Both pay you X BTC per share of work your computer submits.

One just pays more than the other (50btc = more).

The amount you get paid per share for 50btc is 48.5 / difficulty = 48.5/2.6 million = roughly .00001865 per share.

743  Economy / Economics / Re: [OT] AMD @ $3.50/share ?! on: September 07, 2012, 11:54:51 PM
IF that is the case and this company can continue to operate profitably than maybe it is undervalued.

A large part of making money in the stock market is finding undervalued stock and buying them.

The hard part is actually knowing what is undervalued or not.
744  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: New graphics/video cards on: September 06, 2012, 03:45:04 AM
Just to point out many GPU users are switching to mining litecoin or have litecoin as a fall back position in the event of what has been said above coming to pass.



But then the future of LTC is unknown as well. Currently they're worth .0034 BTC or so each, so like 4 cents. Not a huge sum, but heck. its something if your power is cheap or if you just enjoy playing around (and you actually get several coins a day from a single core i7).
745  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Intel HD Graphics 4000? on: September 06, 2012, 03:40:15 AM
That's not a problem, an HD 6450 only has 160 stream processors. It's not the godzilla of the graphics world. My 3870K APU has 400 stream processors and OC'd to 900Mhz I get 98MH/s. pretty much inline with half a 6770 with 800 stream processors.

That chip with the HD 4000 is performing pretty much where it should.

100mh/s... not bad for a $100 CPU.

746  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What happens when the block reward halves to 25? on: September 06, 2012, 03:22:46 AM

Is your power rate > $0.10 per kWh?


The relevance of this depends a LOT on the % of the year that the given miner uses heat/AC.

More heat = power costs matter less, as they save on heating.

more AC = more 'double dipping' as you then have to AC all that heat your mining creates
747  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: IS MINING REALLY WORTH IT on: September 06, 2012, 03:20:14 AM
It is kind of like asking.. "will I make money buying X stock??"

The answer: Maybe, depends on a LOT of factors.

1. the price of BTC over the next few months
2. how long until ASICs and the stupid rise in difficulty.
3. how much BTC you earn from your hardware until such time
4. how much you can resell the hardware for once it is obsolete
748  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: The difficulty is now at a new all time high on: September 05, 2012, 12:06:44 AM
I was hoping for a few good final months before ASICs arrived, because I expected people to ditch their GPU farms while they still can get a decent price for them. I mean, good luck selling your GPUs in november or whenever these asics hit.


Why do you feel the used GPU market will suddenly crash? There are a LOT more gamers out there than there are miners. I would be surprised if there was more than 1-4 people GPU mining in a given city of 100k or so. I could be wrong though, but i'd be surprised if I was.
749  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: DeepBit, Ozcoin and Slush's pool PPS 1.5% to 2% on: September 05, 2012, 12:03:27 AM
Why would anyone want to pay a fee to reduce variance when they can just use a no fee PPS pool?

I'd rather have variance than more fees...
This puzzled me when I was asked to offer PPS to miners that wanted PPS but also wanted to mine at Ozcoin, I said yes at a 5% fee, these miners agreed.
I think there must be more to choosing a pool than just the fee Smiley
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Graet

Sure is!

For example, some things I personally look for in a pool:

1. supported on BTCMon (iOS app)
2. decent up-to-date website that lets me track income and progress, there is just something VERY awesome about refreshing after a minute or two and seeing the PPS balance increase ever so slightly.
3. email notification of idle miners.
4. then, after seeing who meets those criteria, I tend to go for the lowest fee.

750  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [ANN] Protect your future GPU mining earnings with CoinLab's 95-97% PPS Pool on: September 04, 2012, 11:50:55 PM
This sounds like an interesting and innovative idea. It almost sounds like hedging, if the price drops in the future, you are covered, if it goes up, then the 'loyalty points' might be worthless.

Question: Is there any guarantee that the 'other' work assigned in the future is legit and won't be illegal? (not cracking passwords for hacking etc)

751  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Idea for Chargeback Forking at the Mining Level on: September 04, 2012, 11:33:13 PM
The most ridiculous idea i have heard on this forum

Did you spend 5 mins thinking ?

 Roll Eyes

At the most basic level it seemed like an idea at least writing down and presenting.

Innovation and good ideas dont just suddenly pop up, they are filtered out of LOTS of awful ideas that come before it.

Original thinking should be encouraged IMO espescially when someone is willing to take the time to write it out in a grammatical cohesive manner.
752  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: the first miners on: September 04, 2012, 11:30:19 PM
Reading this thread is like reading a bunch of stories about people who bought shares of apple for $7 each in 02...

I wonder how quickly 1 ghash/s would of solved blocks back in the day.
753  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: when the price drops, i get depressed. why shouldn't i be? on: September 04, 2012, 09:35:32 PM
no really, i'd like you guys to tell me why the fiat conversion indicator is not important :-)

Because just like the stock market, some people are more psychologically 'resistant' to short term swings in price. Until one can train their mind to be more long term thinking, it is easy to look at the price hour by hour, day after day and worrya bout what will happen next.

That said, one needs to keep informed so that if 'it hits the fan' then they can get out before it gets too ugly (like when a company or the currency might start to fail and loses long term viability, but even then it is a gamble, if you buy when its cheap, you can lose all, or gain a lot if it recovers).
754  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Project Development] cgEasy 1.0.0--Generate CGminer config for LTC Mining easy! on: September 03, 2012, 10:34:17 PM
Tried this for litecoin.. only was getting 6.7kh/s on my 7870's.. *unamused*

However, your bitcoin tool worked BEAUTIFULLY. I was never able to get cgminer to work correctly before on my own. What is your BTC address so i can send you a tip?
755  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Anyone have a good remote access system for their mining rigs ? on: September 03, 2012, 08:47:28 PM
TeamViewer is best free solution Smiley Highly recommended

Team viewer is really nice and it even has a free app for remote controling your windows machines from an android or iOS device.
756  Economy / Economics / Re: Governments will never jump in... on: September 03, 2012, 03:08:03 PM
The Bitcoin technology renders "banks" as we know them obsolete.

I definitely wouldn't say obsolete. There is always going to be a demand for an entity that safehouses peoples wealth. Whether that is in the form of cash money or a bitcoin file, they will always serve a purpose.
757  Economy / Economics / Re: BFL and Capacity Utilization: Jalapenos to Jump in Price? on: September 03, 2012, 02:58:50 PM
The thing I am curious about is what will those first shipped units sell for on the aftermarket.

Depending on how many people want one and how badly, I wouldnt be surprised to see people paying $300-400 each for the first units.
758  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin and actually selling/buying with it on: September 03, 2012, 02:53:51 PM
I just stumbled upon a post where a guy is selling an android tablet for X amount of BTC and thought "ya... thats some risky stuff right there" and realized actual reasonable usage of BTC isn't so far away.

Think about all of the devices coming out with NFC capability. Combine this with a quality, proven app on say android/iOS and you have a good replacement for cash/paypal for in-person transactions. There is no specific worries about trust, as it is just as risky as a cash/goods handover in person and what address someone is using is not an issue either, as the apps would store all that information automatically and transfer over the appropriate info when the 'bump' is made.

What do you guys think? To me, this sounds pretty sweet and something that could reasonably become a possibility.
759  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Statistics For Radeon 7870 Please? on: September 03, 2012, 02:23:04 PM
I have two Gigabyte 7870s OC'ed to 1175 with 1231 voltage in afterburner and they get 435 m/hash 24/7.

running them in a corsair 400r case and temps are about 74/63 (ambient 25).

760  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: butterflylabs the single on: September 03, 2012, 02:21:13 PM
Mine does 756 mh/s @ 52 C,only because of my room being 80 F........... Sad

They were designed for room temps of 72 F or cooler,which is pretty stupid considering most folks buying these were/are going to be running them in a basement/garage/bedroom.....not in datacenters Roll Eyes

So,figure anywhere from 750-896 mh/s at best  Cool

Not necessarily stupid, as most people will comparison shop this device at the top performance level, not the expected level for their given environment.

If their sales are higher because of this, then they have made the correct decision.
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