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741  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DGC] DigitalCoin || A Currency for a Digital Age || Launch: < 13 HOURS on: May 20, 2013, 11:05:14 AM
The developer of digicoin is mining WDC....so what's that tell you about confidence in digicoin?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209339.0

...I admit I lol'd for reaalll.

It's amusing, but that said, I wouldn't doubt the devs behind CNC, WDC, etc were all mining FeatherCoin before it crashed. They were just smart enough to release their coins under an alt account.

relm9, are you not seeing that his mining contract was announced on the 18th of May and lasts 8-10 days?  Thus, with digicoin's release, which was supposed to be Tuesday, but apparently was moved forward (suicidal move for a coin's launch, imho), Baritus, the dev of digicoin, would be mining WDC all through the crucial first week of digicoin's existence.  Such a terrible message to send to the community.  How can we expect much from a dev who does this?  What kind of faith can we invest, not to mention our electricity/hash power, in such dev and his coin?  It's insulting.

Mining another coin shows nothing but interest in the field. I'm not trying to create any pump club either. I openly admit to mining BTC, LTC, NMC, TRC and many more, should I be executed then?

If you are not interested in digitalcoin, simply close the tab and never come back though.

Thanks.



Baritus, let me explain this to you in a way where your peanut brain can understand the severity of your behavior.  As stated in Satoshi Nakamoto's white paper, the longest block chain will dominate the network.  So to avoid a 51% attack, the longest block chain needs to be owned by a group of trustworthy nodes devoting their computing power.  Assuming the developer of a coin should be the most trustworthy node, it would benefit the network security for having that added trustworthy node.  But instead, you are devoting your computing power to WDC!  You are in effect allowing your own coin's network to be more vulnerable!
742  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DGC] DigitalCoin || A Currency for a Digital Age || Launch: < 13 HOURS on: May 20, 2013, 08:18:27 AM
The developer of digicoin is mining WDC....so what's that tell you about confidence in digicoin?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209339.0

...I admit I lol'd for reaalll.

It's amusing, but that said, I wouldn't doubt the devs behind CNC, WDC, etc were all mining FeatherCoin before it crashed. They were just smart enough to release their coins under an alt account.

relm9, are you not seeing that his mining contract was announced on the 18th of May and lasts 8-10 days?  Thus, with digicoin's release, which was supposed to be Tuesday, but apparently was moved forward (suicidal move for a coin's launch, imho), Baritus, the dev of digicoin, would be mining WDC all through the crucial first week of digicoin's existence.  Such a terrible message to send to the community.  How can we expect much from a dev who does this?  What kind of faith can we invest, not to mention our electricity/hash power, in such dev and his coin?  It's insulting.
743  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DGC] DigitalCoin || A Currency for a Digital Age || Launch: < 13 HOURS on: May 20, 2013, 07:47:19 AM
The developer of digicoin is mining WDC....so what's that tell you about confidence in digicoin?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209339.0

...I admit I lol'd for reaalll.
744  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Update] Root (4-Week Altcoin Announcement) on: May 19, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Am I missing something. Is the block reward glued to the square root of the difficulty indefinately? That would create a situation where at difficulty 1M the block reward will be 1000, this is hyperinflationary to anyone who mined @ br 100, will likely cause everybody to sell mined coins immediately and very few people to want the devaluing coins. Please correct me.

Currently, yes the block reward would be glued to the square root forever. While at difficulty 1,000,000 the reward would be 1,000, each coin would be much harder to mine (10x harder, as 1000 would be produced for each 1M block, and each 1M block is 100x harder to mine than a 10K block) and so the coins would enjoy a gain in value over time, without the hard explosion (and subsequent crashes) that other Cryptocurrencies have had to deal with.

Essentially, it is playing supply and demand economics with a twist. The more demand, the more supply, but supply doesn't scale in a linear fashion.

The non-linear scaling makes faster hardware not cause hyperinflation (as a 1:1 reward would, as more coins per $ would be made in the future), however the scaling does mean that early adopters won't be the only people to make a profit, and large market swings will be reduced.


It would take a 100x increase in the total mining hardware on the network to boost up the block reward by x10, and therefore the coins do become more valuable over time. However, people aren't as likely to dump them quickly (mined 1000 roots in 6 months, now that 6 months of time with the same hardware would only get 100 coins, let's say) as it would not be as sharp of an inflation that a fixed-difficulty coin (such as has been seen with Bitcoin) experiences.

Hopefully that clears it up? It's a bit hard to explain. Sad


Everything you said about requiring more hardware with respect to difficulty increase can be said of any coin.  But almost all other coins have a constant block reward.  Root block rewards increase proportional to difficulty.  Hence, it is hyperinflationary.  Moreover, there is too much 'hand-waving' in your argument.  You assume demand will be there when and if difficulty reaches 1 million, but it's quite possible for miners to mine and raise difficulty strictly out of profitability relative to all other coins.  If I drew the graph of Root's price versus time, it will tend to zero rather quickly, whether you like it or not...

Yes, the difference with the increased hardware is that that increase in hardware is now pinned to the block reward as well.

Inflation of a currency is when a currency's buying power is reduced. With fixed-reward currencies, the buying power increases at ridiculous rates as difficulty increases. For example, one Bitcoin back in January was worth around $20-$30, and had that much buying power. Since the supply of Bitcoin doesn't increase with increasing demand, we end up with one Bitcoin at one point being worth over $250, a 10x jump in a matter of months! With 'root', however, the block reward would increase with increased demand, so while the value would still go up and down, it would correct faster (buffer), as with less profitability, less people mine, so less coins are produced an hour, and vice-versa.

It's true we don't know what it will really do once it hits the market, but seeing the economic patterns Bitcoin has taken, it makes sense for root to work.

The main force that would cause its price to drop to ridiculous lows would be a general lack of interest in the coin. The coin's economic ideas itself would not run it into the ground, as it adjusts to supply/demand.

It wouldn't be hyperinflationary, but instead would be anti-deflationary. Compared to Bitcoin, it would be inflating, but when pinned to fiat it would simply resist movement in both directions. Our view of currency has been slightly skewed by Bitcoin. A currency usually does not deviate as much as Bitcoin has, and when a coin makes less profit for initial investors it could be considered inflationary relative to Bitcoin, but the currency would not lose buying power, but instead would not gain as much, increasing its stability.

Here is the scenario in my mind.  The coin is released to decent fan fair and eventually makes it onto an exchange.  Lets assume it's very profitable to mine.  This adds relatively more supply than a constant block reward coin.  Consequently this supply hits the exchange.  After some time, whatever it may be, this supply will depress Root's price.  Depressed enough and it will no longer be profitable to mine.  So miners pursue another coin.  Thus the network hash rate decreases, and likewise, so does the block reward.  Consequently it's not going to be profitable ever again unless Root's price rises.  And here is where your crucial assumptions take place.  You assume because incoming supply will be cut off so that demand will easily prop up the price.  But even if it does, the cycle is too visible!  Traders can wait until the block rewards was back to one, then slowly accumulate Root, eventually pushing up the price.  And if the price elevates to such an extent that it actually become profitable to mine, well then you will have not only the supply of traders taking profits but of this next batch of miners aiming to make some profit.  Hence the price of Root will be depressed again and the cycle continues, but with more supply on each cycle.  Over time Root's price will have a sequence of lower highs and lower lows, tending to zero.  This scheme leads to an unstable equilibrium.  Root may start off how you planned, but the moment it is no longer profitable to mine, the sequence of lower highs and lower lows will begin.
745  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] DudeAmI's cryptocoin exchange (0.1% during beta, supports 17 coins) on: May 19, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
You do realize that once someone views that link they can cancel the order? This isnt market ordering. This is a p2p trade system with the service as the middleman. Send a link directly to whom you are selling or buying from. Don't post them everywhere.

Sort of the point of testing it out...to realize.
746  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] DudeAmI's cryptocoin exchange (0.1% during beta, supports 17 coins) on: May 19, 2013, 08:44:58 PM
sucks that anybody can cancel an order...oh well, fun while it lasted...
747  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] DudeAmI's cryptocoin exchange (0.1% during beta, supports 17 coins) on: May 19, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
http://exchange.dudeami.com/trade/view/sfZUDA9gLS9loBW3HH0Y6Jh2XevgOc
748  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] DudeAmI's cryptocoin exchange (0.1% during beta, supports 17 coins) on: May 19, 2013, 08:08:26 PM
Smart move!  Good luck! 
749  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [Update] Root (4-Week Altcoin Announcement) on: May 19, 2013, 07:20:50 PM
Am I missing something. Is the block reward glued to the square root of the difficulty indefinately? That would create a situation where at difficulty 1M the block reward will be 1000, this is hyperinflationary to anyone who mined @ br 100, will likely cause everybody to sell mined coins immediately and very few people to want the devaluing coins. Please correct me.

Currently, yes the block reward would be glued to the square root forever. While at difficulty 1,000,000 the reward would be 1,000, each coin would be much harder to mine (10x harder, as 1000 would be produced for each 1M block, and each 1M block is 100x harder to mine than a 10K block) and so the coins would enjoy a gain in value over time, without the hard explosion (and subsequent crashes) that other Cryptocurrencies have had to deal with.

Essentially, it is playing supply and demand economics with a twist. The more demand, the more supply, but supply doesn't scale in a linear fashion.

The non-linear scaling makes faster hardware not cause hyperinflation (as a 1:1 reward would, as more coins per $ would be made in the future), however the scaling does mean that early adopters won't be the only people to make a profit, and large market swings will be reduced.


It would take a 100x increase in the total mining hardware on the network to boost up the block reward by x10, and therefore the coins do become more valuable over time. However, people aren't as likely to dump them quickly (mined 1000 roots in 6 months, now that 6 months of time with the same hardware would only get 100 coins, let's say) as it would not be as sharp of an inflation that a fixed-difficulty coin (such as has been seen with Bitcoin) experiences.

Hopefully that clears it up? It's a bit hard to explain. Sad


Everything you said about requiring more hardware with respect to difficulty increase can be said of any coin.  But almost all other coins have a constant block reward.  Root block rewards increase proportional to difficulty.  Hence, it is hyperinflationary.  Moreover, there is too much 'hand-waving' in your argument.  You assume demand will be there when and if difficulty reaches 1 million, but it's quite possible for miners to mine and raise difficulty strictly out of profitability relative to all other coins.  If I drew the graph of Root's price versus time, it will tend to zero rather quickly, whether you like it or not...
750  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] WDC/LTC Google Docs Exchange {New} on: May 19, 2013, 05:32:05 PM
Hey, there's a tool on the scammer list posting bids...fix that.  He's probably hoping to get in early and quick before it's recognized.

Penetration, in particular.

Here's the list: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208203.0

Fixed. I will add the auto-scammer-check soon on the spreadsheet.

Right on. 
751  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] WDC/LTC Google Docs Exchange {New} on: May 19, 2013, 05:29:18 PM
Hey, there's a tool on the scammer list posting bids...fix that.  He's probably hoping to get in early and quick before it's recognized.

Penetration, in particular.


Here's the list: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208203.0
752  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [WTB] 50k WDC for 3.6 BTC on: May 19, 2013, 05:18:27 PM
Or maybe you all just got trolled.


...or maybe it was a typo.
753  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / [WTB] 5k WDC for 3.6 BTC on: May 19, 2013, 05:10:38 PM
title says it all...if you are on the reputable list then I'll send first.

Reputable list:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208203.0
754  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SELLING 1300 wdc auction style on: May 19, 2013, 04:35:15 PM
it'll take forever to get my BTC to an exchange for LTC.
755  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL] WorldCoin vs Nibble - who will win this rat race? on: May 19, 2013, 04:30:04 PM
Another huge change in hashrate.

15:30 UTC

Hashrate WorldCoin: 1069.10
Hashrate Nibble: 472.84

Both are doing well.  Good for them.  I am biased towards WDC though.
756  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How long can BTC-E Stay in Business as a black market company? on: May 19, 2013, 03:58:51 PM
Ps: I first expressed these concerns about a month ago even before Mt Gox got served.

I received several Paypal payments from BTCe and it was obvious they were breaking in the law at the time. Not only did the PayPal payments come from random individuals and shell companies, but they also ask for no over indintification of your identity.

They are blatantly FINcen non compliant.

Don't worry.  Your precious investment in Avalon asics will be okay.  BTC will probably be over 300 next year or so.  You don't have to be so threatened by Worldcoin or whatever other altcoin.  You and Crazy_rabbit are so agonized by these altcoin releases that it's laughable.  There's no need to hype the gox FUD into btc-e.  NOTHING is a surprise or new...not even the Dwolla/gox news.  Fincen has been a debate for quite sometime.  And may I just add Bter.com is proving itself to be very reputable, so I am sure it will step up and handle the void left by btc-e's exit, if it happens. Not to mention the handful of American exchange start-ups to go live this summer, offering margin accounts and shorting capabilities.  And more importantly, as stated in Fincen's reports, virtual currencies are still being defined and classified properly.  And this has much more to do with online gambling being legalized in the States than anything else--not btc-e being a black market or whatever.
757  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Scrypt mining 4GB vs 8GB DDR on: May 19, 2013, 03:29:24 PM
Hello,

I'm new to the business...managed to get hardware hashing up to 7500Khashes...
Right now i have a max of 3 cards on 1 board (Asrock Extreeme4) and 4GB of DDR3.

I plan to put 4 GFXs on 1 board (and some will have 4x7950s)... Do i need 8Gigs or will 4 suffice?

thanks!

Just some feedback - I had 8GB pulled 4 and there was zero change - so 4GB is fine for 4 cards , have 4x 7950s.

don't skimp on the PSU if the PSU has the name "Wing" in it (or any other part of a chicken) , your going to have a bad time . 

two most important parts _ PSU and Mobo -

i have a MAX REVO 1500W running 4 cards. MSI z77a-gd65 - they are all on the 1x slots , don't expect to run 6 cards with that board though, better still if you do manage to , PM me !

you need to run an Ivy Bridge processor with that mobo or else that sixth slot disables itself...I run six gpus no problem. 

...you're welcome.
758  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: why is XRP up so much, was 80K per btc now 6.5K per BTC on: May 19, 2013, 02:54:46 PM
I think it is because of the Google news

This.
759  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [POLL - OPINION] WorldCoin vs Nibble - who will win this rat race? on: May 19, 2013, 01:53:57 PM
what is nibble's network hash rate anyways?  I was gonna mine it once block rewards hit 32.

Block reward is at 50 currently.

oh that's nice  Undecided
760  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WTS 5k5 WDC on: May 19, 2013, 01:44:07 PM
how bout in BTC?  I don't feel like sending my BTc to an exchange first :/
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