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761  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What if bitcoin was PLAN B by the Goverments? on: February 09, 2015, 07:25:24 PM

You don't need to. The description includes links to all its references, including NASA and the Nature journal.

So the person who uploaded the video is able to give references and even talk about his ideas?  Good thing the video isn't just a link telling you to go somewhere else, or you wouldn't know what to believe.

You don't understand what references are or how they work, do you? A reference is a source that you use as a basis for a derivative work (in this case, a video), but not using content verbatim not just posting the link and calling it a day. It's a process of understanding the topics in the references and then reaching your own conclusions. That's what the guy in the video did. The references are added so that if other people question their point of view, they can at least know where he got it from and why he believes things work the way they do.
762  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How will decentralised exchanges work? on: February 09, 2015, 07:22:19 PM
Decentralized exchanges reply on a Supreme Court type Human Panel for ultimate dispute resolution, which requires trust.

p.s. I have checked both bitsquare.io & OpenBazaar. None of them can programmatically address the arbitrator dependency issue.

Only BitShares resolves this issue and is counterparty-risk free when trading the following assets:

bitcoins, US Dollars, Euros, Chinese Yuan, and solid gold

https://bitshares.org/get-started

The latest client software revision was released 3 days ago.
 

What about Mexican Peso?
763  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What if bitcoin was PLAN B by the Goverments? on: February 09, 2015, 06:38:38 PM

You don't need to. The description includes links to all its references, including NASA and the Nature journal.
764  Economy / Economics / Re: Semantics of "fiat" on: February 09, 2015, 06:35:57 PM
Forget for a moment the meaning of “intrinsic value”. It's irrelevant to your initial concern that Bitcoin is a fiat currency.

And you still haven't refuted my sources I gave some posts back.
765  Economy / Economics / Re: Semantics of "fiat" on: February 09, 2015, 04:43:06 PM
Gold does not have “intrinsic value”.

You really just said that gold does not have intrinsic value.  Gold is the widely used example of a commodity currency that has intrinsic value.  I am speechless.

We value gold because we value gold. I don't understand your speechlessness.
766  Economy / Economics / Re: Semantics of "fiat" on: February 09, 2015, 03:31:37 PM
PHYSICAL gold has intrinsic value because it can be used for other purposes in the real world other than as a currency.
You cannot make the same statement about a crypto-currency.

Gold does not have “intrinsic value”. Whatever gold can be useful as a periodic element has nothing to do with gold being used as money throughout human history. People have gold in vaults not because they are planning to build circuits with it, I can assure you.
767  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How will decentralised exchanges work? on: February 09, 2015, 03:24:36 PM
The only way to know if you are buying from soneone legitimate is... well there's no damn way, unless you require that both of you show your ID's which suck.

Even then, IDs can be faked.
768  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How will decentralised exchanges work? on: February 09, 2015, 03:02:13 PM
- both exchanging currencies with multisig support.

I want to exchange my pesos. How would I do that if pesos don't support multisig?

If you use bitsquare you can exchange pesos for bitcoin , have you seen the video of how it works ?

Yes. I was talking about kodtycoon's link.
769  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How will decentralised exchanges work? on: February 09, 2015, 03:00:20 PM
- both exchanging currencies with multisig support.

I want to exchange my pesos. How would I do that if pesos don't support multisig?
770  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What if bitcoin was PLAN B by the Goverments? on: February 09, 2015, 02:30:51 PM
Climate change, or Global Warming?

To clear some confusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWXoRSIxyIU
771  Economy / Economics / Re: Semantics of "fiat" on: February 09, 2015, 03:20:02 AM
The process of bitcoin mining involves having a machine to do virtual work.

A Bitcoin miner does real work.  Real resources are consumed in the process.

So do World of Warcraft gold miners.  The point is that "work" hold little value to majority of people.  Who freaking cares if some computer can solve a math problem faster than another computer.

It depends on which math problem it is solving.
772  Other / Off-topic / Re: PewDiePie - humanity is doomed on: February 08, 2015, 11:25:10 PM
Maybe this can help: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/56113?hl=en

Also, this post should be in the Off-Topic section.
773  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Wars? on: February 08, 2015, 11:14:04 PM
Hypothetical scenario: A theoretical reality show called "Bitcoin Wars" invites you to compete to see who can earn the most Bitcoin over the course of a summer. How would you react?

This is too vague. What are the rules to earn Bitcoin? Can you just buy them? (which then the richest will win). Or will everyone start at 0 and will be opening their own business (sort of what Donald Trump had done?)
774  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... on: February 08, 2015, 07:07:52 PM
The main issue for me is we need to promote and secure the decentralization, and now Bitcoin is more centralized than the banking system. A single guy not a company or a group single people controls 1%+ of the system and most of the system is in a very small club of people this is not decentralized at all and that makes us a weak system simple to attack.

Juan

So, Bitcoin is more centralized than the banking system? So, that means I can no longer make a BTC1000 transaction without explaining myself why and how I would do such a thing?
775  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin works like digital cash so let's deal with cash :) on: February 08, 2015, 06:12:27 PM
But how do you know the person selling you isn't a fed setting a honeypot?
unless you do the transaction p2p IRL there is a chance that you are getting scammed.

Because they have source code: https://github.com/bitsquare/bitsquare

Of course, that still is not 100% guarantee they will do what they promised, but it shows they are actually doing something.
776  Economy / Economics / Re: Semantics of "fiat" on: February 08, 2015, 04:02:30 PM
The meaning of the latin word "fiat" in no way implies government control.  Some bitcoiners seem to use the word "fiat" as shorthand to mean "government-issued fiat currency", which is my point.   Bitcoin is novel in that it creates a fiat currency without a conventional government.

You can't just say that while ignoring the evidence I've presented you. Where's your evidence that I'm wrong? You need to cite sources.
777  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Warning: Phishing email on: February 08, 2015, 06:41:34 AM
I wonder why so many such emails are coming in daily. I mean, this could very well happen with Fiat as well.
So why only with bitcoin ..

It does happen with fiat, but your email spam filters are too good and you don't get to see them anymore.
778  Economy / Economics / Re: Semantics of "fiat" on: February 08, 2015, 06:35:25 AM
The word fiat is just Latin for "let it be done", "it shall be" aka created from thin air.  Which is Bitcoin.  Created from thin air.  Big difference is USD derive the price from Treasury bonds (future debt of USA).  Bitcoin price derived from millennial speculators

It is, and I think the definition should derive from the translation of the word, not what is currently listed in Wikipedia.   I think that millennials have like, completely changed the meanings of LITERALLY MILLIONS of words.


Exactly. That's how language evolution works, We can't hang on to the definitions of the past, which nobody uses anymore in the present.
779  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 20MB Fork on: February 08, 2015, 04:44:52 AM
Does anyone know how much space in a block will the 2-way peg need?

Exactly. This is an important question. We talk about how we don't want to use much space, but how much space is needed for the sidechains?
780  Economy / Economics / Re: Semantics of "fiat" on: February 08, 2015, 04:09:54 AM
Fiat money is currency which derives its value from government regulation or law.

Completely wrong.   Governments can regulate commodities and tell you how much they are worth, but it doesn't make it a fiat currency.

Wikipedia is the encyclopedia where anyone can edit. So, if you're sure that your definition is correct, you shuold fix it for the benefit of the community. But, remember the [citation needed].

money (as paper currency) not convertible into coin or specie of equivalent value

That makes no sense.  Misquote?


I don't know. I only show the sources. If you think this definition doesn't make sense, then you should contact Merriam Webster.

Here is the rub:  If you classify currency as EITHER fiat OR a commodity or commodity-backed currency (USD before Nixon),  then I think

You think?

bitcoin is a fiat, with the "government" being the consensus of miners regulating the issuance of bitcoin.   You just can't go back to the miner and ask for some electricity and hardware in exchange for the bitcoin they mined that you currently hold.

As a matter of fact, you can. It's called “selling a product or service”.

The term "government" in relation to fiat currency is vague.   US dollars are issued by a private bank AKA the Federal Reserve that is not really controlled by the US government.   Euros are not issued by one government, but rather a cartel of governments.

OK, from the site of the Federal Reserve (emphasis mine):

The Federal Reserve System fulfills its public mission as an independent entity within government.  It is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution.

As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the Congress of the United States. It is considered an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms.

However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by the Congress, which often reviews the Federal Reserve's activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government" rather than "independent of government."

As far as I understand, the Federal Reserve is subject to the government, and so, by transitivity, the money they create is also subject to the government.

As for the EU, a “cartel” of governments, as you call it, also means that the Euro is government-controlled. I don't understand what's your confusion here.
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