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Somewhat. Perhaps neither argument deserves a worldwide generality.
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Try going to the poorest countries in the world, and you will find the people are
the most generous. The vast majority of humans are very generous and good hearted,
regardless of religion.
That's not even true. While sometimes hospitable to strange wealthy foreigners, there's little selflessness. Take Uganda. There's a Canadian Christian lady that's baked over 8000 loaves of banana bread to raise money to build an orphanage for the young orphaned children she discovered were living in a dump, suffering untreated aids, scabies, and malaria. People have come from far and wide because they don't understand why, the culture is simply each man for himself. |
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I will ask this question: Where are all the hospitals, schools, outreaches to inner city kids, homeless ministries, women's shelters etc... started by athiests? If athiests as a collective group are more loving and kind and have a heart for others, why don't they join together and do these things to?
They do you just can't see it. It takes all types of people to make a society. Looking at a simply breakdown like Myer Briggs Colours you see the general population divides up, and about 3% in general are more logically minded and they tend to think along the lines of reason and logic. It is through this lens you can begin to see that God is not a personal god, but actually a metaphor for the fundamental laws of physics. And why call him god anyway it is a delusion. (These are the inventors - problem solvers) typically called athletes Now on the other hand the vast majority well over 50% of people they are sensing or feeling, they see the world through values of good and bad, emotional wrong and right. (These are the charitable workers - people helpers) depending on your cultural reference typically called Christians. So dumbed down if you want a world run by non profits - get rid of the green and replaced with gold, oh and those tools you use (the wheel, metallurgy, the plow, the printing press, the internet, ) well there source is from the marginalized innovators. Community work and altruistic contributions to society from the innovators abound today - you just need to know where to look - Bitcoin and other OSS is testimony to that. "...and they tend to think along the lines of reason and logic. It is through this lens you can begin to see that God is not a personal god, but actually a metaphor for the fundamental laws of physics." From the opposite angle, the same are victims of a limited data set, disconnected from spiritual aspects of life, coddled by ego-feeding sociopaths into an unhealthy certainty regarding matters which they are admittedly naive to, as demonstrated by the shallow and inadequate deception parroted above. If you believe that a proper knowledge of physics is sufficient to nullify God, then you haven't truly met my God. |
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I have currently only sent up to Arbitrageur's post #19, I'm having a few problems with my client https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=239219.0, it is a slow process, but all posters eligible will receive their share of the giveaway......eventually  Have you considered doing a sendmany command? If you collect the addresses, I can format it for you (maybe for an extra 0.1?  ). In BTC client it looks like this. |
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Sounds like he's pretty bad at this whole "being a god" thing. One regrettable mistake after another  Not A god, The God. He's not in a position to cater to everybody's idea of what He ought to be. My whole point was that nothing he's done was a mistake, it all reflects his circumstances and all serves a good purpose in the end. So, he made an angel that became Satan, humans that would commit original sin, and all the pain and pestilence and sinners in the world on purpose? Then why do we need forgiveness if it was all his fault? Try that defence with Him, what do you think he'll tell you? Where were you to tell him he's doing it wrong? What if he's working out the best possible configuration of the universe, the misery we see is the inevitable birth-pain of something much better, and though the Earth "is his footstool," he still went to great pains to show compassion to those who could receive it? You go to lengths to reduce the equation until it's utterly materialistic (read: carnal, temporal). How can one explain God that way? |
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Sounds like he's pretty bad at this whole "being a god" thing. One regrettable mistake after another Not A god, The God. He's not in a position to cater to everybody's idea of what He ought to be. My whole point was that nothing he's done was a mistake, it all reflects his circumstances and all serves a good purpose in the end. |
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You're going to love this. It's by sin that death entered
Wasn't it by god placing a forbidden tree in easy reach of Adam and Eve, while knowing full well that the two can't tell the difference between good and bad, that sin and death entered? Yep. It speaks volumes about the way we work. You're right, for them, to be mislead was a naive mistake, but it's a mistake the elect will never make again. From God's perspective, it's the eternal outcome that matters most. It's a story of the human condition vs. God. Look at it simply: Benevolent God creates free-willed, finite being. Finite being cannot grasp God in entirety, misreads intentions, rebels. This is a predictable, possibly inevitable, pattern which apparently had happened even among the highest angels, in that one sought to exalt itself above it's creator, and God justly dropped it down into the temporal, where it would eventually be destroyed, along with those under it. The result, approaching infinity, is where sin, death, and rebellion from God will have all been played out, shown as worthless, removed from the equation, and every knee will bow. He will have a great multitude that both trusts him and will not betray him, even if he gives them vastly greater responsibility than simply tending a garden. He's got an eternal existence to consider, and you're blaming him for doing what it takes to work around our finite capacity, to what end? |
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Are you going to do this again?
That's the funny part.. I'm not the OP. Doesn't mean I won't do it again though. Did you need a penny? You can never say no can you? lol No. Except for just now. I'm somewhat enamoured by the fact that bitcoin is efficient enough to send a penny to each of 45 strangers around the world at almost no extra cost. Besides, pay it forward... |
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You have to understand what death is... In God's presence, all is sustained. Without, all is subject to death and decay. God, the absolute authority, cannot justly tolerate disobedience therefore the wages of sin is death. Christ did not sin, and yet was subject to death. He was forsaken that dark day, as far as his human frame could tell. It was an infinite injustice, yet by it we are "in" him eternally. He was made responsible for our sin, bearing the consequences so that all who are in him could be spared. The passover atonement was established as a pattern for thousands of years prior, and was absolutely necessary for anyone to be able to come before God, as we do now. He was the lamb of God, and from our angle, is all of God that we can see, God with Us.
So, take the ancient superstitious tribal practice of declaring/blaming all evils upon a goat, taking the goat outside the village, and slaughtering it ("scapegoating"), replace goat with human for a dash of human sacrifice, and tada? Plus, Christ, being god, knew he would be put up on a cross, and knew he would be resurrected... unless he wasn't god? Actually, yeah, wait, I'm confused. He is part of the holy trinity, and knew he would be sacrificed, yet he thought god has forsaken him? Did he lose his magic god powers on the cross? Also, did you just say that god has committed infinite injustice? The father/son dynamic is crucial to sorting this stuff out in a logical manner. Of course God of the Universe couldn't wholly incarnate as a small child, but a human born without sin, walking in full obedience and with the full measure of God's spirit, could be as clear a picture of God as a human can behold, and the effects of his day to day life would profoundly shape history, before and after, IMHO. EDIT: Further, he was raised up the right hand of the throne, in eternity, which is why he could say, "before Abraham was 'I AM." EDIT2: Yes this creates a time quandary. The Bible is full of them. Either God is sufficient to solve them, or your God is not big enough. You're going to love this. It's by sin that death entered, and by death affecting Christ who was without sin, death itself will be judged and destroyed. In the eternal, it is justified by its ends, but the injustice of it belongs to the temporal anomaly known as death. |
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Are you going to do this again?
That's the funny part.. I'm not the OP. Doesn't mean I won't do it again though. Did you need a penny? |
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Also, Rassah, you mentioned that you felt offended because God forgives people without consideration of the victim of the crime, this is because in committing a crime someone has offended 3 entities:
1. A Holy and just God
2. The victim
3. The law
One may have forgiveness from you and God, and yet still rightfully go to jail, and people may still ask for forgiveness from God, with the realization that the they have not been given forgiveness from the victim.
So... why did got have to sacrifice himself to himself on a cross to forgive us? And in a way that wasn't even much of a sacrifice, since he knew he would be resurrected and come to sit with himself a few days later... You have to understand what death is... In God's presence, all is sustained. Without, all is subject to death and decay. God, the absolute authority, cannot justly tolerate disobedience therefore the wages of sin is death. Christ did not sin, and yet was subject to death. He was forsaken that dark day, as far as his human frame could tell. It was an infinite injustice, yet by it we are "in" him eternally. He was made responsible for our sin, bearing the consequences so that all who are in him could be spared. The passover atonement was established as a pattern for thousands of years prior, and was absolutely necessary for anyone to be able to come before God, as we do now. He was the lamb of God, and from our angle, is all of God that we can see, God with Us. |
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And, the "Said Thank-You Prize" of BTC0.01 goes to freedomno1. Surprised nobody else wanted it.
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... I actually got a penny I never thought I would get  Best Day Ever!!! Ha-ha Thanks LOL.. That was worth the BTC0.0045 right there. |
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B6irCBNJeQojpzMBydRA7qJGz5LV1qgpoJ Shweet.. Thanks Hey, just downloaded the client, but it won't sync, says I need to update to 0.4.1 or newer.. what gives? Nevermind, it syncs |
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It sounds like what's needed is a community-driven exchange of sorts, that tempers the rate by only offering exchanges at a stabilized rate based on a weighted historical averages from other exchanges. This can act as a safe-harbor from the storms of speculation, for both buyers and sellers, but might require some type of incentive, like a slight bias in favor of BTC sellers, or slight fees resulting in payment of interest on deposits. The very act of placing a deposit with this exchange would be a strong indicator of long-term confidence, a fact that could be touted by the community as a whole.
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cescan, it's like this: sendmany "1PENNY" '{"19XNTSep68L4T72yzE45hV9isJy95mx5kR" : 0.0001,
"1nPfxnncZqWvVP4UHT6XLfNzfaik7akQS" : 0.0001,
"1BM4bADR9KFNnNz2HAH9A1MaUWC7N5adsE" : 0.0001,
"1QtHuSHkeMyZnKFHhf7UeEs4NusVnrVQq" : 0.0001,
"1FKaPwjgQRZwdFkujF1Gfz6QZJv9Lqj8Ro" : 0.0001,
"1HaGsG2Fn6qWjpgSHCsbBVAL9jeBMbszGo" : 0.0001,
"1LP97yDDYu4GB7XDXcPBCci7NrP1d2oqun" : 0.0001,
"1HsAMcXUN8qMxP924JJ6fiwzEUq2we9TDU" : 0.0001,
"1EByjy9e4FeGZuTV4Rx5hbf4PnFt7jGh8M" : 0.0001,
"17U2LQRbraFsogr1ZUFqDD3nSLP7vV3tqC" : 0.0001,
"14fS5dQ8qZkhrvjZvJ6ykPUif8m3ZoAVbd" : 0.0001,
"12YMXdiQGyQtzQ1M18CfdDyWKWghvjMAKr" : 0.0001,
"16iJa6AArVhbMpaisvUvbFWeZfYaVvXfjL" : 0.0001,
"1NMuPoU6UW8qMziB5pVwc7YYDVjLQGhGDJ" : 0.0001,
"17fG1ZX5EYeb5B4jtBi6LR7dAee552wXrW" : 0.0001,
"1NHQ9sYhV2YkM173JSWjh1b7pbXCwET2Mn" : 0.0001,
"1NUpeKtaVLaUn82jZGK1viMzvCM4YoMocV" : 0.0001,
"19J8H4f4pFYwULKpn848V8o2XFpYRHZ5kS" : 0.0001,
"19YiuWRfFcatioP6eLunUcxs1UNQDSAekP" : 0.0001,
"1R2sWeVhFitB8zVbkrmdSoXzaQRsw6cfh" : 0.0001,
"15t9SpaEj2PEZXi2QurysXpDUZ6M3WHM58" : 0.0001,
"12MEVFSCVtffAU9996JqbwV4psXE9HDFko" : 0.0001,
"1ESetdS7zir1GWYuCR3wHTUu3B9fpG81jW" : 0.0001,
"16WPtSGFtj7wH2TxQi5tZfdxtAG84zPVwD" : 0.0001,
"1Lkpj9syohs9qqLZz34WctfpE3b7CE9tqk" : 0.0001,
"14rksGEhDzYUiRuYDAeS94huLn4f3Kxg2o" : 0.0001,
"1AyJ8Qy2UrdhKSyqL519UuFNHAPsX89pQW" : 0.0001,
"1xY5FDUwFAVwWHGosqfyzB4ZhpaKJVURt" : 0.0001,
"1CasperDEhyGD81WNPo9qkaFnWxUSWmrqk" : 0.0001,
"1KjtT5n7seEdNRao58merD6Euukp5g6Yi1" : 0.0001,
"1LSsMck4r2MDwwKaGF6CQHGyH3Rdh9vcVt" : 0.0001,
"1H7E7YqMoWQZsUCumbvyASYJzpnz3dudaB" : 0.0001,
"1KxLketTKJ71tmTQR8AAyYTwLyVQbwuzer" : 0.0001,
"1LQcNd1WpBoUEKVCzFRuApjky8Xp3AGjtY" : 0.0001,
"1E7pMTKFxit6bg1CJzCeyduJTVSRpXMDpL" : 0.0001,
"16unH6DukY2kJhQHaPSUVBaL2nNp9zceX9" : 0.0001,
"19cdfkdqcN8kkiGo4JbojCTtXyz5yBCvMD" : 0.0001,
"1EHt17oATy9XozoWPBp3hZQwNMgY4CxHFW" : 0.0001,
"1HA7yGm3LQo2xgC9aYNkifmYDetrq15sJD" : 0.0001,
"14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz" : 0.0001,
"1LwmWDsBsi1oHKKrgXxaHGbuvxuU5Qvt1q" : 0.0001,
"15HpPn7SujSVR9nSygsoPuVyVKqr42Wdjj" : 0.0001,
"189EGkRQHkzPwqrzvaabgAVj696eL6uQeB" : 0.0001,
"15G6Zm6rAJu6ME5BQqX9GXGwGLgzC9Mboc" : 0.0001,
"16wiPTXe6FqCnbTVizffrjM1NCE7KH5KJv" : 0.0001,
"1234567ACtsSyTJ9CXQC92LqgsxG1GVBNk" : 0.0001}'Just replace 1PENNY with your account label, and put it all on one line, then paste in the debug window. I tried it, it worked. Enjoy your pennies. |
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3. Everything about this post sounds fishy.
Smells off, I agree, but unless it's someone making a case for plausible deniability WRT ill-gotten gains, I don't see how such a thread could lead to any kind of con job.. |
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We have tablets like the one in Star Trek, i suppose you now believe that Star Trek might be true?
Star Trek had teleporters before tablets. False prophecy? |
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2fer... Bitcoin is an alien technology designed to replace humans with AI which was programmed to utter the words. "Download Bitcoin-Qt"
Angels is another word for ALIEN. Angels come from older more developed planets, closer to the center of the galaxy, and they assist us in our evolution. They are so highly evolved that we can hardly perceive them, since this material plane of existence is very crude to them. Aliens have been here all along. And ANGELS BROUGHT US BITCOIN! Check it out- the Bible says when Jesus comes back not to go looking for him in the wilderness nor in the city, because "as lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one horizon to the other, so shall it be when the son of man comes"(Luke 17:24) So the translation couldn't have captured this at the time, but by the sky it is meant in the clouds. When there is lightning, there are always clouds. In this case we are talking about CLOUD COMPUTING! Bitcoin is in the cloud, and everytime a transaction is made the light flashes from one horizon to the other. The beauty that is bitcoin lights up the whole cloud! Also, Jesus also came from another planet. You know that shining bright star over Bethlehem? IT WAS A SHIP! An interstellar vehicle. Think about it- math is the universal language, the fundament on which all other knowledge is based. Math being the closest to the universal language means it is closest to the Almighty, the Most High. Bitcoin is the first currency based on math. Okay, I'm going to stop now... please note- this theory is a work in progress. Peace No joke, New Jerusalem will be so big it could smush a hypothetical borg cube without slowing down. Cloud computing is a stretch, but think of the quantum, multi-dimensional, informational mysteries of the reality we experience, and notice there's a great deal of room for the expression of higher order systems that we can only perceive and not measure with low-order tools. Also noteworthy that the majority of stories of both alien and demonic encounters have more in common than not, in terms of appearances, behaviours, "technologies," fear, trauma and resulting Aquarian influences. They are also vastly different from noted angelic encounters, which often start with "Do not be afraid," and lead to God. "We don't know a fraction of a percent about anything" -Einstein .
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Of course, if you start to doubt any passage then you might start to doubt all of it, which is why I think it is so important for Christians to believe that the bible is divinely inspired and perfect in its entirety. I say rather that it is a book that contains divine wisdom but has been sullied by the hands of man, so just read it with your intuition and listen to your heart. The truth stands out clear from falsehood.
I'm rather convinced that the truth lies in between, that God was intimately aware of how His words would be twisted by time, error and greed, and He will hold some accountable, but also that the truths would prevail, and resonate with those who lean on the Holy Spirit for understanding. [edit:] The Bible even advocates assessment of the prophetic: Do not quench the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt but test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil. - 1Th 5:19-22 NIV [/edit] Ultimately the words will accomplish what He has planned. [8] "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. [9] "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. [10] As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater, [11] so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it. - Isa 55:8-11 NIVThis may be what some Christians are trying to express, for lack of better words than "inerrant" or "infallible" |
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I have the opposite problem, I'm sure I mined a bunch years ago, but can't find a single account anywhere with it, so I know one way you can make it ethically right...  |
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