True that. Still one of the best altcoins around.

On twitter mainly. Didn't feel so talkative. 140 letters are sometimes just enough

Thought i pop in during  the madness   

The sooner this stuff gets dumped on us the better. Completely agree.


The great thing in this is how people who sold to his shootingstar-candle last month are actually having a real feast.

Buffet knows:

Fatfinger? Overinvested? Just hit the panicbutton once in a while. Keeps it interesting. 

Not only CBX - most other alts have HUGE marketshare at cryptsy. I think UNO is among the cryptsy-coins with lowest damage in that regard. Pay attention folks. Earlier there was an order in Earthcoin on the book at cryptsy for 6% of supply - in a single order ...

Uno community is just the only coin-community fully aware of it and keeping track of it closely. Other communities just don't care that they have up to 70% of their supply in that exchange...
Don't think you were hit hard with 7.6%! You weren't.
 
Could have been much worse. 




Done

I think UNO has a fair shot. It is second strongest sha network on the planet (after bitcoin). It had fair launch and no premine or other shit. Clean coin with low inflation and secure network. Can also handle much higher tx per second (at least 3 times as much, likely more). I think it is still under the radar due to relatively low marketcap. Probably one of the best buys today.

Currently i noticed a a service that sends 0.1 millibitcoin to random active adresses with a message attached to double ones bitcoins at his adress (example adress: https://blockchain.info/en/address/19Sp5HuwrcW23TetC9kE5WMqziUSXLjYyY). Maybe this is even orchestrated by the Gavincoiners to fill blocks up to force people into Gavincoin (xt).

Regardless of that i think this service is proof transactions are too cheap.
With Gavincoin these type of activities would just grow larger and in the end the bitcoin blockchain is filled with trash and bloated to such a degree that it becomes unattractive to adopt for people due to bandwidth and storage requirements.

Do we really need to risk a meltdown in marketcap and make bitcoin harder to access (system and bandwidth requirements) just to keep these types of services alife? Or would it not be more sane to let fees rise a little and push meaningless crap like that off the chain?
Is the bitcoin blockchain a dumping ground? Gavincoiners certainly would think so.

Full 1MB blocks grow the chain by 4.4GB each month. 52,8GB each year.
I recently bought a new computer, it was a cheap one. It has 200GB HD. Most of the computers in todays' homes have less than 500GB storage.
So basically we can live with 52 GB space consumed within a year. Maximum maybe double that (2MB blocks). Anything that's more than that would mean to tell people to buy new hardware. Most people won't bother and just not adopt Bitcoin at all when it requires them to download terrabytes before start and dozens of Gigabytes each month.

Currently i noticed a a service that sends 0.1 millibitcoin to random active adresses with a message attached to double ones bitcoins at his adress (https://blockchain.info/en/address/19Sp5HuwrcW23TetC9kE5WMqziUSXLjYyY). Maybe this is even orchestrated by the Gavincoiners to fill blocks up to force people into Gavincoin.

Regardless of that i think this service is proof transactions are too cheap.
With Gavincoin these type of activities would just grow larger and in the end the bitcoin blockchain is filled with trash and bloated to such a degree that it becomes unattractive to adopt for people due to bandwidth and storage requirements.

btc isn't helping greece people at all with this volatility and the incoming doom with the gavincoin-attack. Marketcap could evaporate within a day or two. It's not helping anyone with Gavin attacking it in the background.

I think greek people will go back using silver and gold other things as currency. Maybe still the euro after leaving euro zone or Us-Dollar. There is enough tangible options for greeks. No need for them to mess with this digital stuff which most of them would delete anyways.

Greeks will go with Euro, Ruble, Us-Dollar, Silver, Cigarettes and Ouzo for currency but not bitcoin (thanks to latest drama surrounding Gavin)

There is no such thing as "crypto without drama" 

thread move, no idea. Maybe somewhere in settings, edit ... no idea ... or mod will when he sees it. When you put in title [please move to xy] it'll certainly happen?  

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Yeah, no idea. 'Group dynamics' i'd say.

I think IMZ has been upset by Gekko. I really hope he can take a breath, man up and continue doing his thing. We'd probably just have to find some way to include Gekko into the trading there that does not involve IMZ having to deal with Gekko, right?

I really liked that off-exchange orderbook and was thinking about putting orders up there before. Thought it was a good thing and especially precious metals trading is a very important field to develop for Uno.

Totally agree that Gekko needs to be reminded of at least half decent language. Insulting people shouldn't be happening on daily basis. Completely on the same ship there. While i personally don't care about the language and am able to handle it i can imagine other people have serious trouble with such behaviour.  
Shouldn't be happening this way.
The thing is he makes valid points but uses bad expression so moderation is likely a headache for knife.


While i personally wasn't using the guild a lot and actually think some things could be improved (mentioned above) i wouldn't like seeing it close down. Why even shelf it for 6 months? Maybe because people are upset, ok, understandable. Well, maybe some people just need a little break from things.
But i would urge people to try said discussion about goals and mode of operation of the guild and possible improvements. I thought it would be good to develop that idea some more. We ran just into trouble with the politics of excluding 'unfriendly' people. I believe some solutions in some ways that satisfy everyones' needs could be found imo.


This thread is in the wrong section btw. Moving it to 'alt discussion' or 'altcoin service discussion' or somewhere else is probably more appropriate?

I think you shouldn't close the guild, you should actually improve on how it operates maybe? I don't think being upset and closing it down is the right choice. People should work out some solutions and have an open and respectful discussion about goals, purpose and how it operates on the other thread maybe?
Just a suggestion.

-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1102807

People, if you can't deal with gekko put him on 'ignore', pretty simple.
Everyone seems to be ultra sensitive.  

Most people need thicker skin. Crypto communities is less like a warm livingroom in private with friends, it's more like a public club with all kinds of people coming in from the street.
It's really not a warm private livingroom but a public space with random people roaming around. Get used to people you don't like - they will be more plentiful later.
People need some skin and the ability to filter information imo.

Just think about how many assholes use US-Dollar and you know where we're heading

Well, human emotions, man. If you have it officially and publically advertised everywhere but then turns out it is not open to everyone and the selection happens kind of arbitrary, well then you will get: butthurt people who were left out, and other people who become suspicious as it turns a little shady. I do agree that basically everyone should be able to trade in any fashion they want but if you want it on official page then it would be impractical to deny access to people because due to human emotions things would get sour as those not let in will be upset and in case they hold a lot uno and are generally involved with the coin they will either sell on the denied access or just hang out on the thread with eternal butthurt and things turn toxic easily and that's a thing we really don't need at all ... only due to something that's really not such a big deal.

Now i hear people want to close the guild which i also don't fully understand because why not open it to everyone and just moderate people who aren't talking in respectful manner?

But let's continue the discussion on the other thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1102807


Which means they are using it like it's intended: to store value (for which the wallets don't need to be active at all). I don't think that particular number is saying a lot.

People shouldn't take Gekko too serious imo.

He's ranting, so what?

Also i don't get why you would close down the guild?

Forget sleep! Overrated! Still pretty calm after lower opening.

But back on topic:
thought about it: if you start with rules there is probably no end to it because if you start setting out rules for one aspect you likely will have to set rules for other aspects too and then rules for what happens when rules aren't followed. Effectively in the end of the day you need a judge and a lawyer. Too much.
Probably the best to go with 'open for all' without looking at character only at reputation for honesty and maybe require some amount of coins to be shown. Better put some escrow and tradelimits for beginners in place for protection of course. People with more coins owned can actually get a slight bonus in reputation for example as it serves their own interest to behave honestly in that environment. (just an idea)

We need to remember: on the one hand the service is publically advertised so then on the other hand one shouldn't tell people who do own bulks of coins (not even those that only hold smaller amounts) to not be able to use said service 'because they are rogue elements' or whatever other crap.
Because if you publically advertise a service that's not really open to the public (only those that aren't perceived  as such 'unliked persons' to the standard of some arbitrary other person) then we get in trouble with butthurt people all over the place which we don't need and which is avoidable. To tell some people "you're in" and others "you're not in" is complete BS and will only create trouble without end as it stirrs emotions with people who are for arbitrary reasons not 'let in'.

If you want to deny access on basis of 'personal feelings' and perception, then you can't advertise it publically because lots of butthurt and mudslings. But doing it not public is also not an option.
So i personally think we're basically stuck with 'let everyone in' and get safeguards like escrow and such into place to protect trading, also a better structure to that reputation system would be good because right now it looks completely arbitrary too (or at least last time i looked).
Some table for what tradereputation is earned when would be also good there. Some transparency and shit, you know? We should get away from anything that mixes trading and personal liking and disliking of participants very quickly as that's no way to work actually. It'll create heaps of trouble with emotions otherwise and probably would sink the whole thing sooner or later.
So i'd suggest: get the safeguards for trading up, write everything down in an introduction for people to read, make the reputation system free of personal like and dislike by making it transparent, applicable, comprehensible and clear cut, well and then let Gekko in of course. Just moderate him if he starts shouting insults at people and all is good. But let that man trade otherwise he's gonna be upset and would actually have a valid reason for it.

Behaviour of people/ character needs to be not subject to anyones' judgement because that will almost always lead to people feeling discriminated and who says the perception of the 'judge' is correct? It can't be correct all the time and likely is never correct. You end up with broke, friendly scammers indoors and upset real holders outdoors possibly. Complete arbitrary BS. It's not an option for a publically advertised thing. Basically you can't say a person can't trade bcause he or she doesn't express themselves in a way that everyone else likes.
Look, if i go on cryptsy trollbox and tell the mod to eat a dick he will ban me from talking in the box but not from trading. That's the thing. If Gekko in this example spouts insults on you, moderate him, but his trading and his character can not go together. That needs seperation for trading without discrimination, with accessibility and to not be arbitrary, really.

So that's my recommendation to clean the thing up a little: Get the personal stuff out of trading, open for all, no rules or low rule besides safeguards for trading and a transparent reputation system. Kicking people from trading should only be possible if they scam or try to scam. Kicking people from talking should be handled completely seperately so that way it should be possible to resolve this issue, no?

Getting human judgement out of the equation especially when it comes to ability to trade will serve us well imo. Human judgement is flawed and emotionally charged and it creates trouble when you have one person telling another person what he or she can and can't do and on top of it money is involved. Make everything quantifyable and free of human judgement and interpretation as much as possible and it'll work sweet imo. (maybe try to bring in good objectivity and transparency -> quantify, write down)
Subjective Face-check at the door has no future, really. It'll only create endless discussions, butthurts and upset people. It's not working.

my 2c

edit: if you want exclusivity, tie it to amounts of coins held or amount of coins traded and not to human perception as that ends in discrimination and emotional dogpoop. (an example for what i mean with 'quantifyable' and  'objective')
If you desire to have VIPs, tie that to coins or tradeactivity or something else that's quantifyable, not human perception, cheers

Suggestion1: keep Un-ex completely open and without any rules BUT implement escrow and tardelimits for newcomers
Suggestion2: make clear rules who is allowed and who isn't, what would be a reason to be excluded later and what would happen to the listed offers and so on... if you want rules for a more exclusive club-thing you still need to write them down for people to see (like: "has to own Uno", "needs to have clean track record" and so on)

but in any case try to not arbitrary ex- or include people based on someones personal preference or otherwise we'll probably be running in upset people on the uno thread all the time because if people buy and hold uno and then are in some ways excluded based on personal preferences, that'll backfire pretty sure again and again.

Well, i'm out. Need to get some sleep before western civilisation collapses. Laterz!

Good thing, Charlie. 

Further alternative could be to move guild to 'foum only' status with normal access and moderation like here on btctalk and just let IMZ be the broker-guy who would then need advertise on his own in unofficial way but in return could choose to reject traders on personal preferences. If and how regulation for it is i don't know but if IMZ was a privat broker the regulation-thing would be on him personally.


tl,dr

If you want p2p exchange please keep it open to everyone or implement clear cut and well thought out rules that aren't subject to constant changes which then everyone would have to obey who wanted that service. Inclusion or exclusion on personal preference isn't a thing that's good imo because a person can't possibly judge this 100% correctly just from some written lines of text and some avatars and user names. Too much space for trouble, abuse, drama, error, discrimination and mud slinging there. Cant have that, really.