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81  Economy / Lending / Re: The pirate speaks on: September 17, 2012, 11:44:48 PM
Br honest, how many of you are still giving him money in GPUMAX?
82  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 16, 2012, 08:05:53 AM
I've made two attempts to contact him and he was unavailable.

So just believe him into calling you right now.

What you believe creates your reality, does it not?

No dank, it does not.  

How can you even claim this? This is the sort of shit millionaires say when trying to sell a shitty book. You're begging for a loan on the bitcoin forums while you pretend to run a bank while everyone makes fun of you.  You really believe that this is the reality you chose for yourself?  Most banks give out the loans, dank.

Where did you even come up with this?  Nothing we observe about the universe suggests that we are creating it with our own thoughts.  That's just New Age bullshit you've attached yourself to to try and convince yourself you don't need to study or work hard, and that you can have whatever you like just by wanting it.  Sorry man, shit doesn't work that way.

Hey, here's a test.  Right now, believe that the money you need is in your bank account right now.  Or just believe that your hookah bar is now complete, ready to open in the location of your choosing, then drive there and confirm.  Report back when you're done.

If the money or the hookah bar is there, then I'll drive to where you live myself and devote my life to becoming your disciple.  If not, then this "What you believe is true" horseshit is obviously false, and you need to get grounded in reality and start taking the damned good advice you've been getting in both of these threads.

I will give you this much, belief counts for a lot.  I'm in my dream job right now.  Granted, getting the job was a matter of pure dumb luck, but now that I'm in it, I'm moving up fast.  I believe I can do it, and that belief drives me to work really damned hard.  That's the key, dank, and that's what you're trying to avoid.  You want success for free. 

You want belief to be the only work required of you, and I'm sorry, that isn't going to happen. It is, in fact, already not happening. You are going to have to work, and there is a right way to open a business like the one you want.  Just believing your way is right does not make it so.  You can't just half-ass this, dank.  You have to do the research, you have to do the footwork, and you have to answer a lot of really tough questions before anyone is going to give you money.  If you tell a prospective investor that your plan is to believe your way to success (which you have already done; everyone here is a potential investor), they'll laugh in your face and move on to someone who can give them solid proof that they will return the money.
83  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 16, 2012, 08:04:52 AM
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It's called belief, whatever you believe is true.

Horseshit.

Hey, I believe you will fail.  I guess it's true, or does your belief somehow overpower mine?  Maybe it splits off a new universe so we can both be right?  If you're so sure of this, then surely you are aware of the mechanism by which it works.  Explain the mechanics to me.  How is belief channeled into reality.  What phenomena causes this to occur, and how?  And don't give me some shit about how science can't explain the spiritual.  If it causes a tangible effect on this world, it can be measured and studied.

No seriously, how does this "What you believe is true" garbage make any sense.  Lots of people believe lots of contradictory shit.  What happens with one person's belief conflicts with another's?  I'm sure glad people like you aren't researching medicine or science. 

Sorry dank, but we live in a world that is measurable and has absolute truths.  Your brain cannot overpower them, unless of course, you wanted to be begging on the bitcoin forums for a loan that everyone is mocking you for.  Which of your beliefs brought about this reality?  Masochism?

Here's a quote for you.  "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  Stop quoting shit like this as if it is some kind of truth. You're just making it up.  Hell, if it is true, why are you here getting mocked while not owning a hookah bar?  Too busy with Dank Glass?  Still working on those seasteading structures?  If you've accomplished something, then please, tell us what it was.  Finally buy a guitar to practice with?
84  Other / Off-topic / Re: Alcohol destroyed me, and how Bitcoin will save me! on: September 16, 2012, 05:20:37 AM
If you're so good at moving numbers around to make profit, why can you not afford food?
85  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 16, 2012, 05:15:46 AM
Except I will have a hookah bar, just as I will be a rock star.  I never said I'd use crates as seats, a box can be of any shape, including a rectangular prism.  I haven't got ahold of the agent yet.

My plan is infallible, that's what I know, believe it or not.

Anyone can say they'll succeed, dank.  You have to prove it.  Open the hookah bar.  All you've done is talk about it.  With a perfect infallible plan, a loan should be incredibly easy to get.

Why have you not talked to the real estate agent yet?  I thought you were serious about this.

Oh, and you need music lessons.  I don't know where you got the idea that some rock legends never had them, but I promise you, they did, and they didn't argue on forums in their spare time.  They practiced until their fingers bled.

I don't know where you get all this confidence.  You haven't accomplished anything yet.  You don't get to be smug until you actually do something.  Stop slacking off and talk to the real estate agent.  Any investors watching you right now just see a lazy arrogant ass who hasn't done half the footwork needed to be done.  I guess that's why you're still waiting for funding while a real businessman would already have the bar open at this point.
86  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 16, 2012, 04:42:29 AM
That's nice, too bad I'll be opening my own.

Did you know, there are hookah bars that have never gone bankrupt?  Especially with their rising popularity across the country.
Did you know vast majority of small businesses go bankrupt within their first two years?
Yes, and the exceptional ones, like mine, don't.

Except for the fact that you don't have a hookah bar.  Also, the fact that others don't go bankrupt (and if you do any research, you'll see it's because the owners planned well in advance and didn't cut corners or make their customers sit on crates) doesn't mean yours won't either.  

Of course, you won't get any investors until you have the types of solid plans that you have outright rejected doing here.  In the time you've been planning this, a real businessman would have mad the bar already open and running.

Someone else asked earlier, but I guess you missed it.  What did the real estate agent say?  Do you have those floorplans?  You have had more than enough time to get this done, you know, so I expect you have an answer.
87  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 16, 2012, 04:40:03 AM
That's nice, too bad I'll be opening my own.

Did you know, there are hookah bars that have never gone bankrupt?  Especially with their rising popularity across the country.

Ok, here's a simple question then.  When?  When will you open it?

This is a question a serious investor will ask you (and note, they will ask questions well before committing to funding you, and your current attitude is going to drive them away), and "When I get the money" isn't going to be an acceptable answer.

I know you don't believe in planning ahead, but you'd better believe anyone putting up their money for it sure as hell will.
88  Economy / Lending / Re: In fairly dire need of a $25k USD loan on: September 13, 2012, 08:29:07 AM
I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
I hope you get your loan Kluge.  Pirate seems to be taking down alot of peeps Sad

His name was pirate, and he was offering 7% returns a week, there's no way it wasn't a ponzi and everyone who got taken in it knew it and deserves what they got for trying to game it.
89  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 13, 2012, 08:24:37 AM
if dank is just looking for a loan then it doesn't matter what he does with the money.

Knowing this place, someone will eventually give it to him anyway.  And knowing this place, he'll run with it, change his name, and do it again while the people he robbed defend him.
90  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 13, 2012, 01:36:09 AM
I will prove you wrong, just as I have been doing to this very day.

Have you now?  Are you a rock star yet?  How is Dank Glass doing?  Your driving service?  Your business building structures for seasteading?

Boy, you sure showed us.
91  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 12, 2012, 05:45:15 AM
OK, troop, lemme see what I can do to untangle this crap.

Let's look at your income section:
ItemQuantityCost/Price
People/session425
Sessions/hour6150
Hours/day81200
Hours/session2600
Sessions/day24
All right, this is a damn mess. Let's try to break it down.
First of all NEVER have your cost/price on the same column, or quantity in/out on the same column.

So, you will be open 8 hours each day.
Each session will be estimated at 2 hours.
You are hoping for 24 sessions per day.
That means you have 6 stations. (We aren't going to bother with that "multiplier" crap, you ALWAYS assume worst case scenario)
You are assuming 7 days a week operation. (No holidays, not taking into account college breaks/testing times/activities)

So, let's assume maximum occupancy for your six stations, and break it back to 5 days a week.
We will assume an average of 2.5 (from a max of 4) people per session. (Some will be alone, others will be a full party, you average it out and hope for the best)
We will assume that you have made it policy that they will be charged per session or part of a session, so 2 hours 15 minutes will be charged as 2 sessions.

So, that gives us 4 sessions per day per hooka. Now, that probably won't happen, as there will be cleaning times, airing times, reloading times, so there WILL be times that each hooka will NOT be making any money. Let's be more realistic, and go with 3 sessions per hooka with 15 minutes of cleaning after each use and 15 minutes of down time. (It will RARELY happen like that, people are not robots)

So, 3 sessions per day.
Each session will be composed of 2.5 people.
So, that's: Hooka rental, bowl rental, per person.
Each of those is $5, so it'll come out to $17.50 per session.
That comes out to $52.50 per hooka per day.
With six hookas that comes out to: $315/day.
Or: $1575/week

Not to mention you'll need a minimum of 12 hookas so that they can be cleaned according to regulations, since anything that came into contact with bodily fluid (such as saliva) has to be sterilized, and add another 1/3 of the total for breakage so you aren't down one while waiting for shipping. So you'll need 16 hookas. And only 6 are at use on the floor.

But, you have a gross profit, at this time, of $1,575 per week.

Shall we begin looking at your weekly expenses?

(Anyone wanna check my math? I did this all off the cuff, since I don't have to worry bout actual accounting here. I'm just using it as an example)
Well, yes, when you change my numbers in that way, I do make $1,575/week.  I don't think it's fair to say I won't get more business on the weekends.  Your presumption is also faulty, I will have more than 6 hookahs in use.  Why did you add a per hookah variable?

You didn't break down my spreadsheet at all, you grossly modified it.

It's so cute that you think investors won't do exactly the same thing.

If you think he mangled your spreadsheet, wait until a serious investor tears into it.  People aren't looking for a hole to dump their money in.  They are going to want to be pretty damned confident they're going to get it back, and they are going to grill you many times harder than this. 

Oh, and they'll do it well before giving you any money, so you can't just keep dismissing them the way you have been.  That you don't even have your spreadsheet finished is extremely unprofessional.  Also, that spreadsheet is a joke and you're going to get laughed at/audited if you ever try to run a business like this.
92  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 12, 2012, 05:42:20 AM
OK, troop, lemme see what I can do to untangle this crap.

Let's look at your income section:
ItemQuantityCost/Price
People/session425
Sessions/hour6150
Hours/day81200
Hours/session2600
Sessions/day24
All right, this is a damn mess. Let's try to break it down.
First of all NEVER have your cost/price on the same column, or quantity in/out on the same column.

So, you will be open 8 hours each day.
Each session will be estimated at 2 hours.
You are hoping for 24 sessions per day.
That means you have 6 stations. (We aren't going to bother with that "multiplier" crap, you ALWAYS assume worst case scenario)
You are assuming 7 days a week operation. (No holidays, not taking into account college breaks/testing times/activities)

So, let's assume maximum occupancy for your six stations, and break it back to 5 days a week.
We will assume an average of 2.5 (from a max of 4) people per session. (Some will be alone, others will be a full party, you average it out and hope for the best)
We will assume that you have made it policy that they will be charged per session or part of a session, so 2 hours 15 minutes will be charged as 2 sessions.

So, that gives us 4 sessions per day per hooka. Now, that probably won't happen, as there will be cleaning times, airing times, reloading times, so there WILL be times that each hooka will NOT be making any money. Let's be more realistic, and go with 3 sessions per hooka with 15 minutes of cleaning after each use and 15 minutes of down time. (It will RARELY happen like that, people are not robots)

So, 3 sessions per day.
Each session will be composed of 2.5 people.
So, that's: Hooka rental, bowl rental, per person.
Each of those is $5, so it'll come out to $17.50 per session.
That comes out to $52.50 per hooka per day.
With six hookas that comes out to: $315/day.
Or: $1575/week

Not to mention you'll need a minimum of 12 hookas so that they can be cleaned according to regulations, since anything that came into contact with bodily fluid (such as saliva) has to be sterilized, and add another 1/3 of the total for breakage so you aren't down one while waiting for shipping. So you'll need 16 hookas. And only 6 are at use on the floor.

But, you have a gross profit, at this time, of $1,575 per week.

Shall we begin looking at your weekly expenses?

(Anyone wanna check my math? I did this all off the cuff, since I don't have to worry bout actual accounting here. I'm just using it as an example)



Where's the multiplier for wishing REALLY hard?
93  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 12, 2012, 04:51:43 AM
dont worry guys. he will make it all work out because hes super intelligent and the best wishful thinker known to man.  

poor kid, reality is going to hit him hard Sad


What's with the hate?  If you don't have anything positive to add, to help me make this happen, please, do not post.

You don't want people to help you make this happen, you just want to them agree that you've done everything right and throw money at you.  You are not at all interested in honest criticism or help.  You're getting valuable advice on very real costs you have not considered from people who have been where you want to be, and you are just dismissing out of hand.

Of course, knowing bitcoin, you'll probably just run off with whatever anyone gives you anyway.
94  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 12, 2012, 04:49:43 AM
I think maybe you should do that before seeking investors.  There is not enough data for a decision here.
That is not up to you to decide, but the actual investor.  Please stop spamming my thread with your negativity.

You have no investors because you can't understand everyone asking you questions is a potential investor.  You brush them off, expecting investors to just throw you money, no questions asked.  Since you won't answer any, of course no one will invest in you.  You unwillingness to accept criticism only hurts you further.  You are proving yourself to be difficult and frustrating to work with.

Get this through your head.  All investors are going to ask these questions before they invest.  A few probably already have, and you chased them off.
95  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 12, 2012, 04:44:30 AM
Your post is full of misinformation and negativity.  Why did you spend so much energy on me if you're not interested in investing?  I don't care about what you did to become successful, this is what I'm doing.  I'm talking to my lawyer, tomorrow.  I'm getting counseling from SBA or a local college for the business aspect.  I'll then be forming a budget over this week.  Then, I will get a loan and proceed to open my hookah lounge.

I have the perfect opportunity here, I really just want to do business.

If you aren't willing to take advice from someone with more experience, you are going to fail.

I'm sorry but ~positive thinking~ is not enough to make a business successful.  We've seen your spreadsheet and your plans, and you are woefully unprepared.  If you find that negative, too bad.  It is a solid fact.  You are not prepared for this venture.  The fact that you think you are does not alter reality.
96  Economy / Lending / Re: 2000-4000 BTC loan - Hookah Lounge on: September 12, 2012, 12:31:22 AM
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If you believe you're limited to earths physical boundaries, then you will be limited by them.  If you believe you're not, you won't be.

Your resistance to disease can be easily proven without resorting to cancer.  For example, you and a control group could be exposed to a cold virus or other minor disease and we could see if you showed resistance.  This ability is entirely scientifically testable.

Do you have any other spiritual powers you could demonstrate for us?  Could you demonstrate your transcendence of Earth's physical boundaries by teleporting yourself to the moon, taking a picture, and returning to Earth with the photo as proof?
Not yet, maybe one day.  You have heard of supernatural occurrences though, right?

In fantasy, yes.  In reality, no one in all of human history has ever been proven to have them.  Show proof of just one supernatural occurrence ever having happened.  And I mean real proof, not "a bunch of people said it happened".

Sorry buddy, reality just doesn't work the way you want it to.  I'm sure you'll argue though, so I'll just ask, by what mechanism does your perception of reality work?  If our minds really shape it, how?  And what happens if two people will opposite events?  Do they cancel out or does the universe split to account for both?  What is the process by which it works?  If you're so sure of it, surely you're aware of the mechanics by which it works.  If not, you're just pulling it all out of your ass, and you can't expect reality to mold itself around you.

If it does work, though, why aren't you a huge rock star yet?  And why do you need a loan?  Why not just will the bitcoins to you?

We live in a world that is definable by our observations and and experimentation.  Reality is not as malleable as you claim it is.  This should be evident in the fact that the thread right under this one got a 10000btc loan while you're still uploading shitty guitar riffs while basing your bank on the hope that you'll make it big in rock and roll.

Sorry to come down so hard on you, but no one gets anywhere with this Magical Thinking bullshit.  Live in reality, dank.
97  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: fuck on: September 12, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
Don't you people ever get tired of just losing all your coins to theft and scams?  

I mean, damn, I must have seen the whole "I'm not paying you back because you were mean to me.   Angry" line at least a dozen times here.  Real markets don't work that way.  You pay back what you owe, and you expect that of the people you lend to.  You really think you can build a society off of this?
98  Other / Archival / Re: Proposed removal of Matthew N Wright from forum staff. on: September 11, 2012, 04:02:42 AM
I have no desire to argue about javascript and other technologies with you.

 So you admit to stealing peoples computing cycles then, and monetizing them for your own profit ?

If you find it abhorrent that I have stolen fractions of a penny through a tumblr blog, I ask that you do not do business with me.

Godspeed.

He does, and suggests that if that offends you, you shouldn't do business with him.  At least he's being honest now.

But don't worry, he only steals small amounts of money.  Nothing wrong with that, right?
99  Other / Archival / Re: Proposed removal of Matthew N Wright from forum staff. on: September 11, 2012, 03:59:06 AM
Mhmm. Personally, stealing offends my sensibilities, coming from me or others.

I just don't need a Bible, governance or a religion to make me feel that.

So why did you do it?  Wasn't it something about the amount not being enough for you to really consider it theft?

Also, you seem to think my username reflects my beliefs.  Believe me, I have no love of the bible.

I've tried this before, but I'll try again.  The value of what you stole is not important.  It is that your moral code allows for it, as long as the value is low enough.  I think you'll find future business partners will not agree.
100  Other / Archival / Re: Proposed removal of Matthew N Wright from forum staff. on: September 11, 2012, 03:49:18 AM
If you find it abhorrent that I have stolen fractions of a penny through a tumblr blog, I ask that you do not do business with me.

Godspeed.

I find it abhorrent that your moral values allow you to steal anything at all, and that you refuse to acknowledge it as a moral wrong.  That is a distinct lack of integrity, regardless of whatever magical thinking you live by.

Not that it matters.  No one here takes you the least bit seriously, and you'll never finish any projects anyway, so you won't really get the chance to steal again.
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