Urg, the posts are so redundant. The same o'le thing over and over again. I don't have the willpower to even read these posts anymore.. Will retreat back to the gambling section of this website and leave the *guru's* to do their thing ..
Good idea. But first, let me sell you an investment in Opair. I'll contact you at the end of the month regarding that .. Why would you wait until the ICO is over? To find out if it was a scam first? |
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@kookie
Do you know Wasserman99?
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Urg, the posts are so redundant. The same o'le thing over and over again. I don't have the willpower to even read these posts anymore.. Will retreat back to the gambling section of this website and leave the *guru's* to do their thing ..
Good idea. But first, let me sell you an investment in Opair. |
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Wasserman, Kooke. Do you know each other? Are you working together? I find it hard to trust you to deliver a coin and features since your dev team is fake.  |
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Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.
It would, even most of mine. It would also probably increase the money raised by the ICO by a shitload. But they won't do it and their reason why is privacy. But we already know their supposed full names, employers and what they look like. That is exactly how we know that Opair is a scam. |
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Buyer beware: I am selling because I think Opair is going to be a scam of some kind. Some people don't believe me.
WTS .3 btc Opair ICO account with 25% first day bonus value of .38 btc.
I'll take .3btc obo
We will use one of the most popular escrow people on this site. I am flexible about which one.
i think kellendil is also willing to sell his account worth .71 (.88 after bonus)
You are openly calling it a scam.arn't you making potential buyers scare to buy it? Yes, I am sure it scares away most people. But if I thought it was a scam and I sold it to people without revealing, wouldn't I be a scammer too for selling scam to people? There are people who don't believe me, since I don't have any concrete evidence. People are still supporting and buying into the project. They should just buy from me, since I'm willing to sell at a loss, and I have the 25% bonus. |
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If anyone really wants to buy into Opair, send me a message.
I have an Opair ICO account worth 0.38 btc that I will sell for much less. We can pick an escrow person from the forum.
FYI I don't trust the Opair ICO anymore. So I want out and I'm willing to take a loss.
Thanks
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@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.
Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it Edit: U said 69 to 70 BTC in first phase, but why there is only 62 BTC in wasserman wallet. I mean he should have 69 BTC right He does have ~70 but his client created new addresses within his wallet. If you have 1 btc and you send .5 to someone, the system actually sends the whole bitcoin but with .5 addressed to target and .5 addressed to yourself. But instead of sending the split (the .5 you wanted to keep) to your own address, some wallet programs just make a new address for you. So you still get the change (.5) but at a different internal address, one that your wallet made for you automatically. |
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If he really wanted people to have faith in his project he would transfer all of the money to escrow. SebastionJu would probably handle that portion without a fee just to make everything better for everyone.
But that shits not going to happen and we know why.
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He probably owns them. Some clients create a new address for the change from a transaction. There was a 7.5 btc investment right before escrow started so it does add up to more than 62. Its still a shame that all of those people invested in a coin that has a fake dev team. We can't even warn people because its a self moderated thread. I feel like those shouldn't be allowed for ICOs. |
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@BasementRot you are wrong again  They received like a 9-10 btc after forwarded the last batch yesterday to the escrow. And here ( https://www.opair.co/stats/) the total amount said 135.72 btc because it takes into consideration the bonus. About the last question, i dont know, ask it to them. 62 was raised before escrow right 62 + 37 = 99 Total invested: 135.72608594 BTC - Total bonuses: 18.51705727 BTC = ~ 117.2 117.2 - 99 = 18.2 |
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Don't expect Kooke to actually buy Opair ICO accounts. He offered me 25% (20% of bonus value) but I don't even know if he would follow through with that.
What is the point of buying back your own scam investments? He is just offering to buy them for the illusion.
This was my message to you: Yes, no problem but you said that Opair its 100% scam, so i will be good for you and buy your stack for the 25%, its ok? 25% is a lot better than 0% because you think that Opair is scam and you are wrong. I want to buy below the actual price so when Opair be released and you see that missed the opportunity you will repent I think it is a great business that i'm offering you, please accept. You ask for more and my reply was: Sorry, but you said that Opair its a scam, so you are sure that you are going to lose 100%..so my offer must be amazing for you, that is, i am offering you recover a quarter of your investment. We may use any escrow. Checkmate Except someone else might buy it from me for more. Uncheckmate My Opair account is worth .38 btc after bonus. I will sell it to the best offer some time before the ICO ends. If anyone believes in Opair, this is your chance to get cheap Opair. We can use whatever escrow, i'll pay the fee. |
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Don't expect Kooke to actually buy Opair ICO accounts. He offered me 25% (20% of bonus value) but I don't even know if he would follow through with that.
What is the point of buying back your own scam investments? He is just offering to buy them for the illusion.
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edit: here is the Opair announcement thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.0Buyer beware: I am selling because I think Opair is going to be a scam of some kind. Some people don't believe me. WTS .3 btc Opair ICO account with 25% first day bonus value of .38 btc. I'll take .3btc obo We will use one of the most popular escrow people on this site. I am flexible about which one. i think kellendil is also willing to sell his account worth .71 (.88 after bonus) |
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Me making an observation/comparison between two entities on certain fundamentals isn't fraud mainly because I receive no financial gains for my opinions .. You on the other hand making claims that an entity is fake without proof that could hold up in court ~ that is a mild form of fraud.
Yes, wasserman could/would/should ..
I will try to buy it from you at the end of the month if you still have it and want to get rid of it so you can be gone from here as well ..
lol I think you misunderstood. I don't think your comparison is fraud. Running an ICO with a fake dev team is fraud. It is literally fraud. I want to sell it before the ICO is over if I can. For obvious reasons! I didn't think anyone would want to buy it from me after what has been said. WTS: Opair .3 BTC ico account with 125% bonus (.38 btc after bonus value, ill accept .3 btc or best offer received before ico ends) via escrow... buyer beware opair ^ |
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Look how bitcoin turned out ~ no one knows who/where/what/why Satoshi is. Does Satoshi ever ask for a single BTC? No! Nobody would complain, is wasserman develops some software first and offered it for free like Satoshi. As he dont want this, you cant compare it. ATM this is just nay saying at the possibility of something happening that hasn't happened. That's right. How I know, that jumping down from the 5th floor hurt me? It never happen to me. Learning from the past, searching parallels from other scams or making proper conclusion is just for loosers. "OPAIR ICO=SCAM!!" is a bs thought with no evidence backing it up and no, lack of certain user requested information doesn't qualify as evidence. Your thinking is wrong. If wasserman wants money from someone, HE must proof that he doesn't want to scam them, not opposite. But if somebody doesn't want to proof it, it is a clear sign of scam. So no wonder, that all people scream "scam". The context was for risk/reward ratio. Satoshi never asked for a single BTC ~ thats true but it certainly doesn't mean it didn't cost anything. You still had to mine it though, which means electricity and hardware + time. If you're under the assumption that bitcoin was a free thing without risks, well okay then .. You are mistaking biological with hypothetical. Comparing your comparison is like comparing Dinasour fossils to the loch ness monster and how they got extinct. Prove how exactly? Using escrow perhaps? Well they already switched to that. Uploading a video of the team is another request that I've seen a lot which was pressured in a time sensitive way *sic* and which isn't far out of the realm of possibility looking forward.. Just because it isn't happening right now, doesn't mean anything except that time is limited and it will be addressed in due time. If there are people that are unsatisfied with certain things concerning Opair then why are they voicing there concerns now instead of voicing them before they invested like i've asked before? If you are investing, you surely read what you are investing in beforehand in the same way you read the ToS of any other contract.. ( I invested in opair btw ) None the less, I understand both sides of the argument and will be talking to wasserman99 about a few things very soon. Stop comparing an ICO with a fake dev team (which is fraud) to the bitcoin founders free open source software that was released with a pseudonym. Using escrow does not mean there isn't a scam. Keep in mind the money doesn't go straight to SebastianJu, its sent to Wasserman99 and then he forwards it (so far). Also, they don't have any agreement in place about specific milestones, so wasserman could just copy paste code from other projects and ask for funds. Most importantly if the dev team is a lie, then the ICO is still fraud and thus a scam even if the leader is planning on making a real coin. We didn't voice our concerns before we invested because we didn't realize the team wasn't real. We were naive. Not that it matters but Wasserman99 did say they would probably make a video.. ... Seems like a good idea create a short video to introduce ourselves. I will communicate it to the other team members and probably will be done in the coming days. ...
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By the way, if you basement, kellendil or another that claim be an investor and want to exit, i will be happy to buy your account Actually if you are serious, pick one of the escrow people in the top 3 here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0You can buy my account for 0.30 btc its worth .38255571 after the 25% bonus If you were serious, prove it |
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By the way, if you basement, kellendil or another that claim be an investor and want to exit, i will be happy to buy your account You didn't post for 2 years and then came back and started posting a week before the Opair scam was announced. You keep supporting Opair and saying you don't even care if the dev team isn't real. If I had a safe way to back out now I would do it for sure but you are obviously part of the scam. |
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