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BasementRot
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August 21, 2016, 09:54:14 AM |
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@BasementRot you are wrong again  They received like a 9-10 btc after forwarded the last batch yesterday to the escrow. And here ( https://www.opair.co/stats/) the total amount said 135.72 btc because it takes into consideration the bonus. About the last question, i dont know, ask it to them. 62 was raised before escrow right 62 + 37 = 99 Total invested: 135.72608594 BTC - Total bonuses: 18.51705727 BTC = ~ 117.2 117.2 - 99 = 18.2 |
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CoinManiac1
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August 21, 2016, 10:07:36 AM
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BasementRot
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August 21, 2016, 10:14:39 AM |
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He probably owns them. Some clients create a new address for the change from a transaction. There was a 7.5 btc investment right before escrow started so it does add up to more than 62. Its still a shame that all of those people invested in a coin that has a fake dev team.  We can't even warn people because its a self moderated thread. I feel like those shouldn't be allowed for ICOs. |
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kooke
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August 21, 2016, 10:16:56 AM |
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@CoinManiac1, let me explain what i know. Read this: and this: I think this clear your doubts. BasementRot, its like you said i think, some clients do that. |
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CoinManiac1
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August 21, 2016, 10:21:36 AM |
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@CoinManiac1, let me explain what i know. Read this: and this: I think this clear your doubts. BasementRot, its like you said i think, some clients do that. Tell him to transfer the remaining 16 BTC to sebasticju which will clear everything |
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kooke
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August 21, 2016, 10:27:30 AM |
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@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.
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BasementRot
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August 21, 2016, 10:28:25 AM |
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If he really wanted people to have faith in his project he would transfer all of the money to escrow. SebastionJu would probably handle that portion without a fee just to make everything better for everyone.
But that shits not going to happen and we know why.
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CoinManiac1
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August 21, 2016, 10:33:28 AM |
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@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.
Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it Edit: U said 69 to 70 BTC in first phase, but why there is only 62 BTC in wasserman wallet. I mean he should have 69 BTC right |
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wasserman99
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August 21, 2016, 10:36:46 AM |
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@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.
Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it CoinManiac1, we forward the coins to SebastianJu all the days as you can read on the escrow rules. About you questions about the coins, its like Kooke and BasementRot explain to you, sometimes our wallet generate two outputs. Regards |
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CoinManiac1
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August 21, 2016, 10:38:02 AM |
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@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.
Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it CoinManiac1, we forward the coins to SebastianJu all the days as you can read on the escrow rules. About you questions about the coins, its like Kooke and BasementRot explain to you, sometimes our wallet generate two outputs. Regards Kooke said you received 69 BTC in first phase, but your wallet final balance is 62 BTC. Why is that? |
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kooke
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August 21, 2016, 10:39:07 AM |
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@CoinManiac1 nooo! please open your eyes and read carefully. and this: I think this clear your doubts. BasementRot, its like you said i think, some clients do that. |
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wasserman99
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August 21, 2016, 10:41:26 AM |
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@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.
Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it CoinManiac1, we forward the coins to SebastianJu all the days as you can read on the escrow rules. About you questions about the coins, its like Kooke and BasementRot explain to you, sometimes our wallet generate two outputs. Regards Kooke said you received 69 BTC in first phase, but your wallet final balance is 62 BTC. Why is that? Yes we have the coins in our wallet but sometimes when we make a transaction they generate two outputs and sent some btc to new generated address inside our wallet, look this transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/08449f9ec6abbac5fc5c0df12095bda831e60c32d183716c64e5cd850fe3676b, we sent 4.67 btc to the escrow address and the wallet sent 2.07 btc to a new generated address. Info: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/9007/why-are-there-two-transaction-outputs-when-sending-to-one-addressRegards PS: If the community want we can give access to SebastianJu to our wallet so he will be able to confirm this, but this is something really normal. |
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BasementRot
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August 21, 2016, 10:41:52 AM |
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@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.
Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it Edit: U said 69 to 70 BTC in first phase, but why there is only 62 BTC in wasserman wallet. I mean he should have 69 BTC right He does have ~70 but his client created new addresses within his wallet. If you have 1 btc and you send .5 to someone, the system actually sends the whole bitcoin but with .5 addressed to target and .5 addressed to yourself. But instead of sending the split (the .5 you wanted to keep) to your own address, some wallet programs just make a new address for you. So you still get the change (.5) but at a different internal address, one that your wallet made for you automatically. |
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CoinManiac1
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August 21, 2016, 10:44:21 AM |
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@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.
Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it Edit: U said 69 to 70 BTC in first phase, but why there is only 62 BTC in wasserman wallet. I mean he should have 69 BTC right He does have ~70 but his client created new addresses within his wallet. If you have 1 btc and you send .5 to someone, the system actually sends the whole bitcoin but with .5 addressed to target and .5 addressed to yourself. But instead of sending the split (the .5 you wanted to keep) to your own address, some wallet programs just make a new address for you. So you still get the change just at a different internal address it makes on the fly. Ohk. I never had any such issue. May got confused. |
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violet.project
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August 21, 2016, 08:34:51 PM |
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Me making an observation/comparison between two entities on certain fundamentals isn't fraud mainly because I receive no financial gains for my opinions .. You on the other hand making claims that an entity is fake without proof that could hold up in court ~ that is a mild form of fraud.
Yes, wasserman could/would/should ..
I will try to buy it from you at the end of the month if you still have it and want to get rid of it so you can be gone from here as well ..
lol I think you misunderstood. I don't think your comparison is fraud. Running an ICO with a fake dev team is fraud. It is literally fraud. Well time will tell if OPAIR ICO is scam or not. Most of the Coins these days are scam and the best way to scam is at the ICO. OPAIR has also signature campaign and is quite popular ICO among the BTK Members I feel there is really the need for the project to push through since investors has already send btc. but opair team should show good faith. They could have get more btc support if they just provide details of who they are. This is just what opair team can give to end all these series of scam accusation. wasserman, cant you 3 just make video. just say "hi im hao wang, i support opair" as simple as that, followed by frank and you then all problem solved |
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YIz (OP)
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August 21, 2016, 11:47:24 PM |
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Me making an observation/comparison between two entities on certain fundamentals isn't fraud mainly because I receive no financial gains for my opinions .. You on the other hand making claims that an entity is fake without proof that could hold up in court ~ that is a mild form of fraud.
Yes, wasserman could/would/should ..
I will try to buy it from you at the end of the month if you still have it and want to get rid of it so you can be gone from here as well ..
lol I think you misunderstood. I don't think your comparison is fraud. Running an ICO with a fake dev team is fraud. It is literally fraud. Well time will tell if OPAIR ICO is scam or not. Most of the Coins these days are scam and the best way to scam is at the ICO. OPAIR has also signature campaign and is quite popular ICO among the BTK Members I feel there is really the need for the project to push through since investors has already send btc. but opair team should show good faith. They could have get more btc support if they just provide details of who they are. This is just what opair team can give to end all these series of scam accusation. wasserman, cant you 3 just make video. just say "hi im hao wang, i support opair" as simple as that, followed by frank and you then all problem solved Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts. |
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BasementRot
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August 22, 2016, 12:12:05 AM |
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Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.
It would, even most of mine. It would also probably increase the money raised by the ICO by a shitload. But they won't do it and their reason why is privacy. But we already know their supposed full names, employers and what they look like. That is exactly how we know that Opair is a scam. |
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violet.project
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August 23, 2016, 05:42:16 AM |
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Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.
did you delete your thread? about oracle? |
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YIz (OP)
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August 23, 2016, 07:27:51 AM |
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Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.
did you delete your thread? about oracle? I never opened a thread about oracle, not sure what you are talking about. |
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