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801  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Online Litecoin Miner - beta testers wanted! on: November 21, 2011, 11:21:53 PM
Is there a way to run the online miner with just a single thread for more concrete/side by side comparison?

Well, it would be very easy to add an input box to select the number of threads, but I would have to add some Java bindings and change the layout of the page... I think that would be a nice feature to have, I will probably look into it tomorrow when I have some time.
On the other hand, the miner should already be able to detect how many CPU cores you have, and start that many threads. The number of threads is printed when you start mining. Please let me know if this doesn't work for you.
Moreover, the hash rate of a single thread should not be much more than 1/n of the hash rate achieved by n threads.
That said, I haven't tested this on more than 2 cores at a time yet, so I'm still wondering how it will do on 4- and 6-core CPUs.
802  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Online Litecoin Miner - beta testers wanted! on: November 21, 2011, 09:54:31 PM
Another 20% speed increase! Smiley

The Online Miner is now at about 66% of the optimized C minerd on my box. Shocked
It looks like JIT compilers can do wonders these days!

ArtForz's minerd: 3.28 kH/s
Online miner: 2.20 kH/s

EDIT: More info about my setup:
Intel Core 2 Duo T5500 @ 1.66 GHz
64-bit Gentoo Linux
64-bit Firefox 3.6.20
64-bit Sun JDK 1.6.0.26
803  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Online Litecoin Miner - beta testers wanted! on: November 21, 2011, 04:19:38 PM
Awesome pooler -- I'm going to have to take a look at your code later. I was wondering how long it was going to take for someone else to get one working.

Yours definitely seems to be faster than mine, good work.

Thank you!

I still have to work on a couple bugs that I detected yesterday, apparently related to long polling. I'll also try and see if I can push the speed a little more, I got some ideas I want to try out.
804  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Online Litecoin Miner - beta testers wanted! on: November 20, 2011, 10:48:14 PM
Good news, I have done some optimization and managed to get a ~40% speed increase.
The C-to-Java speed ratio has fallen below 2 on my test box!

Core 2 Duo (64 bit) 1.6 GHz, 2 threads
ArtForz's minerd: 3.3 kH/s
Online miner: 1.8 kH/s
805  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Online Litecoin Miner - beta testers wanted! on: November 20, 2011, 09:29:49 PM
Java doesn't need opensource to check the code - you just decompile it back to java Smiley

Hmm - obfuscated - that hardly hides anything either ...

I minified the bytecode because that makes it a little faster, not to obfuscate it. I'm as enthusiastic a supporter of OSS as anyone, and I will release the source code soon.
But first I would like to take a few days to see how much further I can push the miner's speed myself. Kind of a personal challenge Cheesy
806  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Online Litecoin Miner - beta testers wanted! on: November 20, 2011, 08:45:56 PM
Java(TM) Plug-in Fatal Error

Several Java Virtual Machines running in the same process caused an error

What does this mean?

I've looked that up on Google, and it looks like that message is often an indication of a corrupted Java installation. Check here if your browser has problems loading applets:
http://javatester.org/version.html
Also, if you have an old version of the JRE, please update it. There appears to be a Java bug (now fixed) connected with the message you reported.
http://bugs.sun.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=6433218

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I'm running another cpu miner; should I turn that off before using your website?

That should not be necessary, but of course if you run two miners at the same time they will share CPU cycles, so you won't be able to compare their performance.
807  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Online Litecoin Miner - beta testers wanted! on: November 20, 2011, 06:12:33 PM
This shortly follows the release of Vanderbleek's miner, so I have to ask:
Is this his miner or have you both been working your asses off on independent projects?

(https://github.com/Vanderbleek/JavaSCryptMiner)

This is an independent project. I knew that Vanderbleek was working on a stand-alone Java miner because of his posts in the main Litecoin thread, but I didn't know his code was on GitHub (thank you for the link!). As far as I can see, though, both projects are based on the same pre-existing Scrypt implementation.
808  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / [LTC] Online Litecoin Miner on: November 20, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
I have finally succeeded in putting together a (hopefully) working online miner for Litecoin.
This is still highly experimental, and of course this kind of miner will always be slower than the classic minerd.

http://www.litecoinpool.org/miner

You can use the username and password of one of your pool workers, or you can leave the "Worker" field blank if you just want to test it out (shares found this way are credited to a special pool account, and you will not be able to redeem them).

Please check it out, and let me know of any unexpected behavior!
It would also be useful to have some feedback on hashrates for different machines. For instance, on the box I'm using for testing (a Core 2 Duo) this first version is about 3 times slower than ArtForz's cpuminer. I think that's quite a good Java-to-C ratio (I haven't finished optimizing the code yet), but of course your mileage may vary.

UPDATE: On 64-bit systems, the current version can get up to 67% the speed of the reference miner by ArtForz (you must be running a 64-bit Java Virtual Machine and a 64-bit browser). 32-bit systems don't perform as well, but still manage to get about 50% of the speed.

The source code is available under the GNU GPL license. https://github.com/pooler/JMiner
809  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] The Litecoin PPS Pool - We pay for stale shares! on: November 17, 2011, 03:17:42 PM
After upgrading to the latest version of litecoind, pool performance seems to be back to normal.
810  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] The Litecoin PPS Pool - We pay for stale shares! on: November 16, 2011, 05:33:31 PM
The site was down for about 30 minutes because of an attack attempt.
I have added some additional protection, and the issue should be resolved now... Sorry everybody for the downtime.
811  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] The Litecoin PPS Pool - We pay for stale shares! on: November 13, 2011, 03:50:37 PM
Instead of linking to the generation transaction, you can poll my Block Explorer's API (http://explorer.liteco.in/q/txidtohash) with the txid of the generation transaction, it will spit out the block hash of the block in which that transaction originated, and you can link to it on your page like so: http://explorer.liteco.in/block/HASHASHASHASHASH

For example:
Generation transaction 86d34bfaf48f90a2638330f73c2bebebeea77fa6dc02fa14d669fe2a1999e5b9 ->
http://explorer.liteco.in/chain/Litecoin/q/txidtohash/86d34bfaf48f90a2638330f73c2bebebeea77fa6dc02fa14d669fe2a1999e5b9 =
37b505af72432111d8dc9ca637d28cf18b99bae9f00aee6ab7cc91d0a0428f45 ->
http://explorer.liteco.in/block/37b505af72432111d8dc9ca637d28cf18b99bae9f00aee6ab7cc91d0a0428f45

It results in a better experience when clicking the block links.

Done!
I see that the liteco.in block explorer has been redesigned, nice job! I miss some of the info displayed by the other block explorer, though, such us the link to the next block(s)... do you plan to add them?
812  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: November 13, 2011, 02:11:17 PM
Thank you very much Smiley It seemed to have solved the problem, I am now getting around 8 khash/s. Is there anything else I can do to increase my speed?

Try substituting the default minerd.exe with the following:
http://content.wuala.com/contents/jbw9/pub/Bitcoin/Tenebrix/miner/win/minerd-amdfam10-sse4a.exe?dl=1
You should be able to get about 2.4 kH/s per thread on a 2600K.
813  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: November 13, 2011, 01:18:06 PM
DeaDTerra,
I had the same problem when I tried out the GUI, I managed to solve it by adding pthreadGC2.dll to the program's directory. Find it here:
http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?pthreadgc2
Hope this helps!
814  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] The Litecoin PPS Pool on: November 12, 2011, 05:22:52 PM
Great news, folks! Smiley The pool will now be paying for genuine stale shares, too!

I've been working on this for a while, and I'm happy to announce that it's now official. Enjoy!
815  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] The Litecoin PPS Pool on: November 12, 2011, 08:49:43 AM
Graet, I'm happy to read that you believe in Litecoin so much! Smiley
Unfortunately, despite your effort, "Unknown" miners have risen to 75%... let's hope those are not botnets!
I will contact molecular and ask him to add us to the graph, thank you for the suggestion!
816  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] The Litecoin PPS Pool on: November 11, 2011, 07:57:21 PM
New change in difficulty, 6.7% decrease!
I don't know if this is good (because shares are now worth a little more) or bad (because the Litecoin network is not growing).

By the way, for all lovers of statistics I have added two more estimates on our stats page: an estimate of what the next difficulty will be, based on the current network hash rate, and the time to the retarget. These two figures should get more and more accurate as the difficulty change approaches. Please report any unexpected behavior! Cheesy
817  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] The Litecoin PPS Pool on: November 11, 2011, 06:15:01 PM
you shuld read up on pool hopping ... pplns with proper setup, cant rly be cheated, why wouldnt care for those other problems ?

I think you should re-read my post, I never said that PPLNS could be cheated by pool hoppers. What I said is that miners are subject to luck effects and that both the pool and its miners can potentially be cheated by block withholders.
818  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] The Litecoin PPS Pool on: November 11, 2011, 06:10:27 PM
I understand where your coming from. I was just bringing up the facts at this point these facts you present are untrue. Pools are going to change fee's and give away for promotions all the time. The way your post was worded is for todays Litecoin pools.

I have nothing against other pools, and I'm sorry if I gave that impression. When I said "proportional pools" I was rather referring to the proportional system in itself, that's why I didn't think of additional promotions and the like.
That's also why I think BTC and LTC pools can and should be compared. What is being mined is not important when you are just comparing reward systems.
819  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] The Litecoin PPS Pool on: November 11, 2011, 05:06:31 PM
You are right.. normally there are large fee's. But abcpool is 0% fee pps Smiley

Yes, but that's just a temporary promotional offer. On their own site they say they will introduce a fee later on.
And even now I am quite sure they have a few generous miners who donate the default 4% or more, even if the don't have to.
Of course I could do something similar, but I don't think I will, because that doesn't seem fair to me.

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Proportional pools (including PPLNS pools) don't worry too much about these problems, because they never give away more than they earn.

This is false and mainly why i wanted to reply to your post. http://lc.ozco.in pays out 60 ltc per block. and also http://pool-x.eu pays 5 LTC block bonus to the block finder. Elitist Jerks use to do 50 ltc block bonus to the block finder.. so saying that a pool will never give away more then they earn is false.

Again, those definitely look like promotional offers, which probably won't last forever (unless those guys want to lose real money, because server costs are real).
I believe in Litecoin. What I am trying to build is something fair and durable, not something to attract miners. I don't want to reach a day when I will have to say: "Sorry guys, the offer is over, now we get serious." What would late miners think?
820  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] The Litecoin PPS Pool on: November 11, 2011, 02:22:01 PM
The pool found some lucky blocks in the last few days, so I decided to lower the fee to 3%. (You can still set a higher donation if you wish.)

I guess many people don't want to give our pool a try because they believe we have the highest fee among Litecoin pools. If this is you, I urge you to reconsider. Why? Because a PPS fee cannot be compared to a proportional fee. Take, for example, BTCGuild, which used to be the second largest proportional Bitcoin pool. They had a 0% fee, but when they decided to go PPS they had to introduce a 5% fee. Another clear example of this is deepbit.net: they charge 3% for proportional, 10% for PPS.

The reason for the higher fee is simple: miners in a PPS pool not only get steady rewards, but they are also immune to bad luck and cheating. You cannot be cheated by the pool operator, and you cannot be cheated by pool hoppers. The pool itself, however, is still subject to bad luck and to cheating by its own members, who could withhold found blocks. Proportional pools (including PPLNS pools) don't worry too much about these problems, because they never give away more than they earn.

3% is a very low fee for PPS. Give the pool a try, you won't be disappointed! Smiley
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