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801  Economy / Securities / Re: Is Poker by Proxy too good to be true? on: November 17, 2013, 04:28:55 PM
If you have not yet become acquainted with the site, I give you the option to be referred by me: https://pokerbyproxy.com/referral/larsandersson.html

Lame.
802  Economy / Securities / Re: [ANN] Crypto-Trade now allowing users to create their own securities! on: November 17, 2013, 02:01:55 PM
Why? They don't? Yes right... As we didn't have hosted scam right now... This is hard to compare....

Care to try that again in English?
803  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BitcoinsareSexy.com - Get PPUSD, PPEUR or Amazon gift cards for BTC! on: November 17, 2013, 01:55:06 PM
Uhh okay, I'm really sorry I tried to start something without YOUR prior approval and certification.

Listen, it's not about me personally. I'm merely pointing out to you what constitutes a business, and how it is to be brought or born into this specific space. There's no point in fighting ME over it, the criteria won't change, as they're no more mine than they are yours.

I did go through your post several months ago and did indeed take into account everything you suggested. As such, it was valuable at the time.

That's great, but sadly it doesn't show here. At all.

Besides, substantiation isn't something I owe you in any way. We all learn in our own ways. Just because you read 7 Habits of Highly Effective People doesn't mean you follow all 7 habits. You take what you think is good and worthy for your idea and go.

I prefer literature. Anyway, again, this isn't about me. You "owe" substantiation to those you'd like to use your service, inasmuch as asking them to use it without taking the proper steps aforehand is pretty much begging with a promise slapped on top. That this isn't what you'd like it to be is not the contention.

Asking for tips is just asking for feedback. Not sure why you felt offended by that. Won't ask again from you.

I've been running this site successfully with several thousand orders over the past few months and no issues and zero negative feedback. Just thought I'd share it with the community here in case it interests anyone, that's all.

Nobody's offended. If you profess to have read the seminal post on what steps to take in your very situation, however, and ignore or brush them aside only to ask for "any other tips", you'll be rebuffed with extreme prejudice, because really now.

It's great that you've had a positive experience thus far. Merely saying so doesn't do anything for anyone operating sanely, once money is involved.
804  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] A Challenger Appears: SKYPIEA, a Privacy-Friendly Exchange on: November 17, 2013, 01:25:32 PM
I'll look it over. Point of fact, it hasn't been the standard with any service I've ever used. Some do, some don't. I think it has benefits, and I don't see a downside, but I wouldn't call it a standard. WOT is considered a startup in business circles and based out of Holland. It's a good idea, and on its way to perhaps being a standard of sorts, but it still requires a browser add-on for all consumers. When it shows up as a default option in a Firefox build, we can call it a standard.

Standard does not mean easily accessible by consumers.

Please tone down the aggression. I will respond to meritless disrespect by making your IGNORE link an even brighter yellow. I'm sure you have good reason to be edgy, since a lot of us have been burned in this community -- I've lost money in Bitfloor and other places -- but just because it's the web doesn't mean the rules of polite society fly out the window.

Informing you that your family details are irrelevant when considering your business qualifications is not at all aggressive. Me pointing out to you that you are a clueless asshat inasmuch as you prefer to pass a bunch of pretense off as identity and reliability isn't aggressive, either. These are facts, and if the tone upsets you, you'd do well to read and understand the first time so that it doesn't have to be toned up yet again on the next pass.

You are the one who asked who we were. If I have inadequately answered that question, please tell me what sort of answer you were expecting.

You came here posting about the great and venerable business you'd like people to use, failing to convey the relevant details. I graciously pointed this out to you. You can get with the program or not, but there's no middle ground for insisting you "can't" but people should trust and support you anyway.

You yourself are quite anonymous -- more anonymous than I myself would permit when considering a service. There would be zero legal recourse for me, as a US citizen, to pursue you and your associate (not saying you would ever do such a thing, just an example). All I know about you is you appear to reside in Romania. I don't have any way of verifying actual names or businesses, etc. There is a place for that, and MPOE may be the type of service that requires such anonymity, but it does make this whole discussion feel a bit hypocritical.

So basically, you've read not a thing, you have no idea what's what, and in the fantasy world in which you reside, the likely most public person in Bitcoin is anonymous, MPOE is a service, and you don't have to show that you're competent because your family is nice.

You're out of your depth, and this isn't going to fly.
805  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GBBG-Ware - Company specializing in Bitcoin related Software Development on: November 17, 2013, 12:59:03 PM
This thread was started for GBBG-Ware.

No, it was started to con newbs. Attempts to characterize me won't change that. Making up more stories about Graet Success won't change that. Posting yet another new thread in a week, or two weeks, or two years, will not change that. You really wishing it were otherwise will not change that.
806  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: money2btc.com legit or not? anyone use it before? on: November 16, 2013, 02:09:59 PM
Hello yes, this is Legit.

FTFY.

Seriously though, you have a lot of reality to swallow if you honestly believe that making a new account and using it to baselessly assert things is going to have any effect whatsoever.

807  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GBBG-Ware - Company specializing in Bitcoin related Software Development on: November 16, 2013, 02:06:16 PM
EDIT: I'm really sorry for those that read this original reply without this edit. Somehow I missed the part that this is the crap http://www.bitbillions.com/ supporting it: Free Bitcoins, Free Car (directly from the guy's signature).

Yeah. This guy and his "globalvillage" compatridiot have been trying to hustle newbs here for quite a while.

OP, your time was up long ago. Get lost.
808  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BitFlog - Flog your stuff for Bitcoins on: November 16, 2013, 01:59:20 PM
Hi guys,

I love Bitcoin and I like working on little projects so here is something I put together and still working on for the community (after browsing Gumtree Cheesy):

www.bitflog.com

It's a classifieds ads site where you can list your items for sale. Prices in USD, EUR and GBP are automatically converted into Bitcoin. It's very rough round the edges but it's a start. Your suggestions are welcome! Especially on the categories that should or should not be there.

Cheers,
Jay

You should probably get in the WoT and have a look here.

Also, where's the flogging? I came here expecting to see rosy bums.  Sad
809  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: GoldenTowns Game Is Accepting and Paying out in Bitcoins on: November 16, 2013, 01:54:22 PM
I am annoyed that you have lied, passed off another image from another's blog as your own in an attempt to get referrals for this ponzi.

Lurk moar. This account has been posting scammy marketing nonsense aimed at people who don't bother to read for quite a while.

Seeing as OP has chucked more junk on top of this thread to fish for newbs, this warrants quoting.

810  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [Bside - NEW] Isn't this Custom Hardware? - Bside Miner - Italian Wine - HBs :) on: November 16, 2013, 01:50:13 PM
Kind of an odd pastiche. How about getting yourself in the WoT?

Also, this is pretty cute:

Bside is a starting-up company founded @block #256573 based in Italy.
811  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] A Challenger Appears: SKYPIEA, a Privacy-Friendly Exchange on: November 16, 2013, 01:25:31 PM
Yes, I've noticed this concerns you greatly. Smiley I was lurking in the thread with BitBot earlier. No, I am not WoT-enabled. I'll consider it.

Mistaking points of fact, such as that the WoT is the standard and you can ignore it at the peril of being laughed off by the actual players, as personal concerns is a good way to signal your inclination towards willful ignorance. If you're here to pretend that reality is what the clueless masses would prefer it to be, just come out with it already.

Anyway the WoT discussion is here.

"We" are myself, my beautiful wife, my two younger brothers, and my father. We all have backgrounds in engineering and electronics disciplines, as well as military security, and physics. (Ok, so the youngest brother is still in high school, but he helps too. We're a gifted family.)

That's very nice. It's also, unfortunately, contentless in the context of business.

On here and on SKYPIEA we will go by aliases, and will escrow our identities (via WoT or just senior forum members). This is to prevent harassment or criminal attempts. It is trivial to find our identities probably. But, when I leave home I lock doors despite the simplicity of breaking windows. You understand. I might want to pull an "I am Iron Man" but my current thinking is, that announcing access to vaults of gold and bitcoins might attract attention of the unsavory sort.

But I still might. In any case, our payment processors to have our full information. It's an open secret. When the site is live and you click "pay with debit card" for example, it uses PopMoney's solution. We aren't manually keying in cards or something. We're ID-verified at CoinBase too. I understand the concerns but I bet once the site is live you'll see that is a non-issue.

The entire "I can't say who I am or substantiate my qualifications because Boogeyman" has been done to death. It's not going to work for you any more than it's worked for anyone else. Sure, use an alias, but keep in mind that the more standard tools you profess to not need or claim to be unable to use, the more your reputation rests on pretense --and when people's money is involved, this puts you at an extreme disadvantage.
812  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: PLAYTIN Wallet on: November 16, 2013, 01:13:39 PM
Bitcoin is about choice.

Says who? And who are you? Still "can't say"?

Guess what happens to your assertions then.
813  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BitcoinsareSexy.com - Get PPUSD, PPEUR or Amazon gift cards for BTC! on: November 16, 2013, 01:09:57 PM
Thanks for the link, I read that about 8 months ago. I've been running this site for over 7 months now (launched in April) so I'm quite familiar with Bitcoin, the good, the bad, and the ugly.

However, if you do have any other tips to add to what the linked post said, I'd be happy to listen!! Smiley

So you read it and decided to ignore it (as evidenced by the lack of substantiation for having followed through on any of its instructions), and have the gall to ask if there are further "tips"?

Reading is great but it's a first step, not the entirety of the work itself.
814  Economy / Securities / Re: [ANN] Crypto-Trade now allowing users to create their own securities! on: November 16, 2013, 12:14:33 PM
like s.mg and like s.nsa?

chinese fortune say "you are what you hate.... eventually"

The problem with meaningfully comparing things is that they have to have something in common.
815  Economy / Securities / Re: [CryptoStocks][Bitcoin Arbitrage Fund]Get lots of profits by arbitraging now !!! on: November 16, 2013, 12:39:02 AM
My reasons for suggesting Crypto-Trade over others is because I have come to have trust and faith in it from the months that I have been using it, and so far there has not been any behavior exhibited by the site that has caused me to panic or be concerned, I cannot say the same of other crypto-coin sites some who will at very short notice and at no consideration to their users will remove coins (panic dump recently Wink ), are changing/removing currency pairs, or even worse they got hacked/corrupted DB/wallets are just a few examples.  This type of behavior has lost many traders money as the site made their holdings disappear, worth less or just plain worthless.

It's very nice that you've had a positive experience thus far. If scams and trainwrecks behaved consistently throughout their operations, they'd never attract their marks in the first place, and you'd never hear much about them.

Consider this:

Kludge: Maybe it's time you splurged the hefty sum of 20 bitcoin to move over to the one exchange that actually works. By "actually works" I mean charges 1/4 as much per transaction as GLBSE does, is down an infinity percent less and in general has an infinity percent fewer issues, troubles, problems, defects and so forth.

Nefario: You are obviously unqualified to be anywhere near a project of the complexity of an exchange, even for play money (which I suspect BTC are, for most of you here, at least judging on behavior records). I will make you precisely one offer to buy the thing from you, so you get to actually make some money for all your effort over the past year, as misguided and mismanaged as it may have been, rather than have to walk away from a worthless wreck (like Zou Thong/Amir&co have with Bitcoinica). If you have half the maturity you should have to be involved in all this you will take this offer seriously, and consider your options carefully. Feel free to make contact via pm or in #bitcoin-otc-eu.

If that is the way you speak to someone of Nefario's standing in the community  I wonder what you speak to your customers like. There is no need to descend into a slanging match.

This stuff, by its nature, seems dandy in the beginning, unless you have the experience and/or relevant knowledge to enable foresight. For this reason, when authoritative figures point out that x venture or y idea is not worth your time, fighting the foresight is the wrong move.

I hope you can take a decent look at the site and point out any concerns or potential problems that are specific to Crypto-Trade, there is always going to be some risk but I think they got it down to minimal and if there existed a ratings system for crypto exchanges/securities they would be in the A's.

What the "site" is like doesn't particularly matter. The point is that the very premise of encouraging users to create their own securities sufficiently belies a gaping lack of understanding of what securities are, and of how an exchange operates. While they're not necessarily bad things in themselves, customer service, websites, and so forth cannot do anything to change this fact or improve the prospects of the "service".

Thanks for the link,  I hope more users read it as its very informative and will save them from using high risk sites.

Hey, my pleasure.
816  Economy / Securities / Re: [ANN] Crypto-Trade now allowing users to create their own securities! on: November 16, 2013, 12:22:02 AM
On a more serious note, at least on an exchange or with securities there is some ability to contribute a small sum to reap decent rewards.  BTCT failed, Havelock IPO's are a joke because most of the time less than 10 individuals can scoop up the entire IPO and do a mad flip for profit (rather than believing in the IPO itself), etc.  Considering checking this out as we wouldn't mind crowd-funding one of our next ventures.

Yeah, but see, that's precisely the problem here: investing is a thing. A very old, very storied, and powerful thing worthy of study and respect. Talking some intellectually lazy people into forking over a few pittances so as to fund whatever personal project has nothing to do with investing, nor is it particularly a good thing for anyone involved. It doesn't belong in Bitcoin. No matter how many new instances of junk are pushed forth, it's still junk.
817  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Do you think Plazacoin.com could help you to buy whatever you want by bitcoins? on: November 15, 2013, 10:26:49 PM
You might want to consider making a full presentation of yourself and the service you'd like to offer so that people can give you some feedback.
818  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Best way to make Bitcoins besides mining? on: November 15, 2013, 10:21:50 PM
Come up with some good bets for BitBet, for instance.
819  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Kratomerica | Now accepting bitcoin! on: November 15, 2013, 10:11:16 PM
Are you associated with Kramerica Industries?
820  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [MARKETPLACE] Bitrun - Buy or Sell Items with Bitcoin! Escrow System (Official) on: November 15, 2013, 10:08:26 PM
We are working to implement SSL on login, registration, members area, auction and payment pages.

Why are you announcing your "service" before you've figured out one of the most essential components?

See here.
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