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8061  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will bitcoin core team join bitcoin cash team if the value keeps rising? on: August 20, 2017, 01:46:41 PM
Will bitcoin core team join bitcoin cash team if the value keeps rising?

There are 453 contributors to bitcoin repository on github, and they are free to contribute to whatever other projects they want. It's quite possible that some of them will contribute or already contributed to Bcash. But if by "Core developers" you mean people like Greg Maxwell, Wladimir J. van der Laan, Luke Dashjr, than the answer is no - they have their own vision, and they will be working on it no matter what is the price and hashpower of Bitcoin and its forks.
8062  Economy / Exchanges / Re: BitPay stands for many 1000 of shops. They are economic relevant users! on: August 20, 2017, 01:13:56 PM
Thats what UASF meant to be, users deciding what Bitcoin is. BitPay, Coinbase and other NYA signers have most Bitcoin economic activity, so it is fair they influence the most what Bitcoin really is. And as always for the small guys who disagree: if you dont like it, just use some other altcoin (I heard it so many times with relation to Bitcon fees from them so now its their turn to choose altcoin instead)

Wrong, owners of bitcoins influence community consensus by trading in open market and determnining what chain is the most valuable and deserves the most resources in a form of PoW. Companies like Coinbase and BitPay don't represent the will of their customers, but they can force their decision on them, since they control the private keys. When it comes to forks with no replay protection, it becomes especially dangerous, because it will for sure make many people lose their coins on both chains.
8063  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-08-18] Segwit2x and Bitcoin Core Drama Flares Up ‘Community’ Tension on: August 20, 2017, 12:09:07 PM
Seems like it's all getting increasingly petty.  I don't know why it always has to boil down to this totalitarian do-what-we-say-or-we'll-ban-you mentality.  BitPay have made their intent quite clear on this matter, so it shouldn't be any surprise they're recommending the /btc1 branch.  If bitcoin.org reserve the right to tell people they should use Core (and evidently feel the need to completely deny the existence of any alternative to SegWit-Only), why don't BitPay have the exact same right to suggest whatever branch they like best?  Just run what you want and let consensus sort it out.  You're more than welcome to remove BitPay from bitcoin.org if you want, on the proviso that you understand the potential consequences, in that it might cause people to think you look like intolerant, freedom-hating, tantrum-throwing, infantile drama queens.  


Bitcoin.org is an informational resource about Bitcoin, altcoins don't belong there, and BitPay just turned into altcoin service. Also, BitPay are dishonest with their customers, they are not telling them that using this new software will lead to a loss of coins on previous version.




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ADDENDUM, 8/17/17, 5:20 PM ET: Note that btc1 includes support for the Segwit2x scaling proposal. You may choose to use any full node supporting Segwit, but our instructions follow this version of Bitcoin because over 95% of Bitcoin miners have adopted Segwit2x. If you are not running Segwit2x, your node will be on a dysfunctional minority chain when the base block size increases to 2MB.

Ouch.  There's a fine line between confidence and hubris, I suppose we'll find out in a few months if they've inadvertently crossed it.



There is very few btc1 nodes, if 2x fork happened today, 90% of miners would be mining invalid blocks that would be rejected by Bitcoin's network. It would be a disaster for everyone - transactions will stop, miners will waste electricity on useless blocks. The price will crash, making mining less profitable even after miners return to the main chain. Right now 2x looks more like a bluff than some realistic improvement proposal.
8064  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Crash?? on: August 20, 2017, 11:03:06 AM
I read in several Newspaper that experts think the Bitcoin is gonna crash soon. What do you think? Huh

All those experts are using technical analysis (if they use any analysis at all), which many people believe isn't very reliable. Also, traditional traders just can't comprehend the idea of something growing at high rates, so screaming "bubble" is like a natural response for them. Also, there are lots of FUDsters who are shilling for Bcash or other altcoin, and overall Bitcoin was always surrounded by FUD from different sides. This doesn't mean that it can't crash, but there are no educated arguments why it should crash.
8065  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's Block size limit on: August 20, 2017, 10:35:08 AM
Basically, every full node of Bitcoin network is doing the same work as any other payment processor like Visa or Mastercard - validating and keeping record of transactions. The difference is that those companies have powerful servers, while Bitcoin users have their home computers. Satoshi thought that computer technology and demand for Bitcoin's capacity will be growing hand-to-hand, so when more people will want to send bitcoins, Bitcoin users will have more powerful computers to process new transactions. He was clearly wrong, because even now it would be very burdensome to process higher amounts of transaction on your home computer. Also, he didn't take into account the fact that demand for transactions will be also growing, as more people are joining global economy, and as people move away from cash.
8066  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BCH threat to BTC? on: August 19, 2017, 06:28:12 PM
Look at BCH from technical point of view - does it have any innovation? The answer is no, there were coins with big blocks since the time people started making altcoins. Does it have any roadmap or team of well-known and skilled developers? No, BCH is just a copy-paste, anyone could have done it before, the only reason it gains some traction is because Bitmain and Ver have invested in marketing, paid shills, propaganda, FUD to get some attention for their coin. In the long run it's not sustainable, Bitcoin will have network stability and well-tested improvements, while most alts will be just a fuel for pump-and-dump schemes.
8067  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-08-18] 'Bitcoin cash' surges 40% in single day as investors bet on... on: August 19, 2017, 05:02:01 PM
Half of Bcash volume comes from Korea - https://i.imgur.com/PkZ91b9.png

Korean exchanges act like proxy, because seasoned exchanges like Bittrex or Polo would probably leak who is pumping this coin or report it to authorities. Or maybe some very dirty money are involved. Also, Bitcoin's price is relatively stable, so this is not some natural migration from BTC to BCH. There will be no flippening, people who are buying BCH this high are likely to get burned, and in a year no one will care about this useless clone.
8068  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: referendum from all bitcoin hodlers on: August 19, 2017, 01:52:20 PM
Bitcoin's future is decided via trading on open market, people who are confident in Bitcoin buy and hodl, people who doubt and prefer alternative implementations like SegWit2x or Bcash should sell their BTC and buy their altcoin. Alternatively, some people just hodl or sell both coins. This trading process decides what coin is the most profitable to mine at the moment, and the chain with most PoW is the most secure.

Making poll on a forum is useless, since it doesn't take into account amount of coins users hold. So, you could slightly improve it by requiring people to sign a message to vote. But still it won't mean much, because you'd need a few millions worth of coin-votes to make some prediction, which you won't realistically find here. Also, people can just lie about their intentions.

Agreements should be honored. One side got SegWit then other gets 2MB.

There was no agreement between "sides", all NYA signatories are just miners and companies from Barry Silbert group. No Bitcoin devs, no Bitcoin users.
8069  Economy / Speculation / Re: Not Bubble - Bitcoin Growing Up, Heading to $10,000: Dave Chapman on: August 19, 2017, 01:06:21 PM
the problem with bitcoin price is, it rises fast and when it does the first thing people think of is a bubble sometimes without even knowing what it really means. and whenever price comes down, like in a correction for example, again the first thing that people think of is a bubble bursting and all kinds of doomsday theories.

the funny thing is that this has been happening from the start. even when price was less than a dollar. from 1 cent to 1 dollar was a 9900% rise. was it a bubble? did bitcoin die?
rise from 1 dollar to 20 dollar was a 1900% too. was it a bubble? did bitcoin die?

this is actually a very interesting topic that didn't get the attention it deserved in my opinion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2093528.0

This is a very good point, Bitcoin is different from traditional assets in many ways. First, it has started from almost zero value, unlike stocks that have IPO's. Since starting points are very different for Bitcoin and traditional assets, it is less correct to compare their growth rate in plain percentages. Also, Bitcoin is unique asset, because it's the first ever attempt to introduce new type of economy, were transactions are trustless, so it's logical to expect that Bitcoin can outperform any other traditional asset, since they represent only some fraction of economy. Overall, people are so used to small changes on traditional markets, that they automatically assume that if it grows too fast and too much, then it must be a bubble.
8070  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is bitcoins killer app? on: August 19, 2017, 10:30:07 AM
To me, it's obvious that Bitcoin's killer app would be Lightning Network or other second-layer scaling solutions. Bitcoin, or any other cryptocurrency is essentially a digital gold (which is already a huge achievement!), because it's inherently expensive to move (because every participant has to store and validate every transaction ever made), just like real gold. Solutions that will enable instant and cheap/free transaction will really turn cryptocurrencies into viable currencies and competitors of payment systems like Visa.
8071  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Segwit2x Developer Jeff Garzik Removed From Github Repo on: August 19, 2017, 10:09:01 AM

I understand what you are saying. But can you kindly clarify one thing for me. How was Jeff not an active contributor if he  developed Segwit 2X? How much time of non activity counts as non-active contributor. I am asking this because the Segwit debate started 2/3 years ago, the NYA was not so long ago. Do you know when he developed Segwit2X?


He wasn't contributing to Bitcoin repo on github - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin

SegWit2x is a fork from Bitcoin on github - https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin

Basically, instead of making proposals and discussing it with Bitcoin developers, he just created his own project, and also named it "Bitcoin".



So if that is the case of what is going to happen, would I to assume I need to be worried about the future of BTC in general???

If it keeps splitting every time an update is being talked about, will the market lose confidnce? I really don't understand all the politics of this all. It is getting very obnoxious.... Please lets just have 1 bitcoin protocol Sad

All those forks (XT, BU, Classic, Bcash, etc.) are essentially coming from the same people, who are only interested in quick buck, and don't care about long-term stability of Bitcoin network.
8072  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Random thoughts on the recent and upcoming hardforks. on: August 19, 2017, 06:38:15 AM
You are missing the fact that SegWit2x has no replay protection, it aims to take "Bitcoin" name from Core, and it's backed by more than 90% of miners and some big companies. This is much more serious than Bcash altcoin which had zero effect on Bitcoin's network. There are so many things that can go wrong with this kind of fork, so it's very reasonable that next version of Core client will be automatically banning SegWit2x peers. If this fork will happen, and it will get significant miner support, we will see serious dips in short term. But I believe that after some weeks or months of trading, everything will go back to normal.
So, yes, you are right - HODL on, gentlemen.
8073  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Segwit2x Developer Jeff Garzik Removed From Github Repo on: August 18, 2017, 04:39:02 PM
The drama was never officially over, it just started losing attention because everyone went crazy about the price. But to me this is far more important, because in November some group of businesses and miners will launch a hardfork with the same name as Bitcoin, in attempt to confuse unexperienced users. So, removal of Jeff Garzik from bitcoin repo would be justified even if he was an active contributor, but he wasn't active for the last few years, so it's not a big loss for Bitcoin Core development.
8074  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Can Bitcoin be useful for governments and banks? on: August 18, 2017, 02:45:56 PM
Very often I see people asking here if governments and banks are going to destroy crypto, because it aims to replace them.

But what if governments and banks can benefit from Bitcoin too? Here's a few cases that I can think about.

Just like US military invented Tor for their own use, cryptocurrencies can be used by agencies like CIA for their own purposes. They can secretly fund opposition in other countries, as well as fund private companies, researchers and political figures.

Bitcoin can be used as universal global money, it's much cheaper to store and transact than gold. Many countries are unhappy with financial hegemony of USD, and Bitcoin can easily solve this problem (although centralization if mining around China can be slightly problematic).

Banks can offer their customers better privacy via cryptocurrencies.

Thoughts?
8075  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN = TULIP BULB MANIA? on: August 18, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
You guys should read about past bubbles. If you did, you'd realize the words and behaviors we're seeing are very, very much bubble matrtial. 

Read about the South Sea bubble.  Look at the ridiculous business plans they were coming up with.  Vety similar to these ICOs and altcoins.  Don't dismiss this criticism so readily.

This sensationalist clickbait article doesn't compare cryptomarket with dotcom bubble for example, they literally called Bitcoin's market "tulip mania". Which is obviously wrong, because Bitcoin is a solid, working technology, that has been around for 8 years and used by millions of people. As for ICO's and alts, they are probably in bubble, because they are essentially credits - developers sell promises to investors, with no guarantees that they can or will deliver them. Even if alts bubble will burst, it won't affect Bitcoin significantly.
8076  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why you should focus more on saving bitcoins than selling your bitcoins on: August 18, 2017, 01:34:53 PM
There's no guarantee when exactly bitcoin price will surely come down.

Share your thoughts about what you think guys. Smiley

That's the problem with trading, everyone have access to the same information - they can read charts and analyze them with some techniques, and when majority of people act similarly, trading becomes random and close to gambling. If you make correct prediction, you gain profit, if you were wrong, you lose money. The real people with advantage are those who have insider information or huge sums to manipulate the market.
This is why most common advice is to just hodl. If Bitcoin's technology will succeed, we will become wealthy in 10 years, if not, at least we won't lose much.
8077  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Btc thoughts ( second ones) on: August 18, 2017, 12:51:13 PM

6. When the banks or the governments realize the potential of blockchain technology, what will stop them from creating something similar? Even same code by changing name like buttcoin, fuzzcoin, shitcoin, and put also a hard number limitation.


They are already trying, but for me it looks like just an experiment and attempt to look cool. Blockchain was designed to be decentralized and permissionless, if you remove those properties, you end up with a very inefficient database without any unique benefits. And government-issued cryptocurrency will be just as useless - even if they ban Bitcoin and other crypto, most people won't use statist coins. At least in Bitcoin you are paying high transaction fees for your financial freedom.
8078  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Market cap of BTC passes that of PayPal on: August 18, 2017, 09:15:46 AM
It's really-really wrong to compare marketcap of company with marketcap of commodity/currency. Especially if you try to compare Bitcoin with some payment processors. Most of the time, PayPal is better than Bitcoin for transactions, because of lower fees, faster time and their network handles around 150 transactions per second, while Bitcoin processes only 3.5 transactions per second. Bitcoin right now is mostly used as investment instrument, so it's better to compare it with other assets.
8079  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Just don't on: August 17, 2017, 03:37:08 PM
What is your...what strategy...experience...game....bla bla bla...what about this:
How many of you gambled when you were drunk? Or stoned? Experience?
Don't gamble when you are drunk.
Just....do not.

This is a solid advice, and it can be generalized as "don't gamble if you are in an altered level on consciousness". Gambling can be very risky and you might lose all available money within a few minutes or even seconds, so it's a bad idea to gamble even if you are just sleepy, tired or depressed. If you ever regretted gambling because your mind was clouded, you can install some custom authentication for gambling sites that you visit to remind yourself to gamble responsibly.
8080  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: David Sacks: Cryptocurrency fulfills PayPal's 'original vision' on: August 17, 2017, 03:06:39 PM
When Bitcoin was at $200 for 2 years, people were saying that it's dead, but now everyone suddenly became Bitcoin believers and decentralization advocates after the price crossed $4,000. And there were no significant changes to Bitcoin, aside from SegWit. It seems like most experts don't have their own strong opinion on Bitcoin's technology, and simply base their views on current Bitcoin's price.

PayPal is the worst! I've been scammed several times and been on both sides of the transaction (selling digital goods and buying digital goods) and they ALWAYS side with the scammer. It's ridiculous.

There are scams in Bitcoin's ecosystem too, but you can choose from many escrows, so it's much better than centralized payment systems.

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