I dont undrstand how high HW in excess of 4k are normal I got 4.6k HW errors in 31hrs All my other units My S3' My S4's My C1's all have like 10HW or less for the same period 4.6k HW errors is crazy.when all my other units have like 10 That is not normal ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) each machine is different people keep telling you that it does not matter at these numbers (OK, you will have 0.001% error instead of 0.0001% error). Pool's luck will literally have 1000-10000X larger effect on your hashing.
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why not match my settings above exactly make sure you have 1 sp20 on 1 evga 1300 g2.
tell us what you get.
in the first 10 minutes
in the first hour
after 1 day
OP wants to be below 700w and with 0.67 he will probably be above 700w. It is also interesting that OP has 85C on all four of his loops-this is unusual, maybe going to auto (from fan 10) is warranted. I did not notice what is his ambient temp.
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Here's the pic... >snip image< Can this be better?
theoretically, but each machine has a "character', some better, some a little worse. try this: limit power to each loop to 160w, then play with voltage (min and max)-this would be unique and different for your machine. let machine to adjust iself overnight or at least several hours as initially readings would be slightly lower. For one machine I have: Starting voltage: 0.64 0.64 0.639 0.639 max: 0.649 with fan 10 I get 1225-1231GH at 683w
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You guys are missing the big picture here.
By the year 2020 Hillary Clinton will have been elected, a major false flag involving nuclear weapons will have occurred, and we will most likely be well on our way to WW3, martial law will have been declared, and alternative currencies like bitcoin will probably be outlawed. A large number of people will be in FEMA camps.
Just so you know
Thats too pessimistic. By 2020 Bitcoin should be way higher, and by 2025 anyone holding 100 Bitcoin should have a guaranteed retirement. It's either this or Bitcoin failed. 2025 by looking at the mining rewards will be the deciding year. I like the post on reddit (don't have it handy, quote from memory). The guy is 37, aiming for 42 coins this summer, plans to sell 1 BTC each year on his birthday, starting in the summer of 2016, just as we have another reward halving. He will sell out by his 81 birthday in 2058.
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The new results are somewhere around 1150 hash and 700 watts.
this seems to be a bit low on hash for 700W
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He put it on ebay and it is up to $445(with shipping) right now with 30hr to go. prices on ebay (buy it now-only four visible): $490, 495, 525 and 680 (from canada) So, I guess the bargain days on SP20 are over ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) . EDIT: haha, somebody (presumably from here) snatched it as it is no longer listed on ebay
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And don't forget one of the biggest spambots in history was a hacked smart fridge.
was it? LOL seriously, though, perhaps heater and definitely router are the best candidates, IMHO, unless some home improvement solar panel/miner combo is possible (at least for sunny states). SpondooliesTech,
The SP20 is the best home miner I have ever had the pleasure of using.
I'm running 3 SP20's for an average hashrate of 3.3TH with a power draw at the wall measured by kill-a-watt as 1600W.
that brings me down below 0.5W/GH!
It may not be economically feasible for you to continue serving the home market, but you can be guaranteed I'll be a return customer if you make a new miner for us hobbyists!
Thank you for your kind words. Appreciated. Is it possible to have a mining board with removable mining chips (like CPU socket/slot)? It would give you an edge over all other manufactures. I really want to support you against the Chinese manufactures. real threat is from Bitfury and KnC, which are deploying massive amounts of hashing in secret, not from Chinese manufacturers who were actually selling a lot of equipment to us, home miners.
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One problem with having only a few producers is monopolies and cartels. What if they decide collectively to block transactions from certain services they deem to be competition? If a few entities cover 90% of block generation and you issue a transaction from a service they don't like, it could take a couple hours to get first confirmation. Or they could start screwing with the protocol, or any number of other devious things.
I agree with all of the above. 3 to 5 companies doing 90% of the mining will cause death to btc for the above reasons. BTC is a money substitute for investors. Once a few companies do all the mining they control all the new transactions. How would you want to hold 100,000 coins and not be able to move them because BITFURY held up the block they are in. If we get to: KNC BITFURY SP-TECH AVALON BITMAINTECH ASICMINER all self miners and the rest of the world shut out the system dies. SP-Tech does have the idea for 5 or 6 people to share a few dozen 16kwatt units in low power areas. At least it is something. I would want a piece of it maybe. Killing off the home miner is a moron move. Making the home miner have heater/bitcoin device is viable. All across the world people use this item. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.esellerpro.com%2F2248%2FI%2F955%2F1%2FGO11230RTW.jpg&t=663&c=f6OXgYpFnGcH3g) I posted response to something similar in SPT thread and repost here; I totally agree. Who would invest in bitcoin knowing that 3-4 monopolists can move the price tenfold down just trying to crush each other. Or, how about making transaction cost moving from 2c to $2? Apple is doing pretty good with mass produced $200-500 devices. We just need to find either second use (heat, of course) or other application (in dual use device).
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Just as important as the electricity rates is the access to technology.
With the big boys investing millions into chips at .3 to .1 efficiency to mine for themselves they have no incentive to sell to retail or other competitors.
actually they may believe what you just wrote. but they will crash the price of btc if they don't keep small guys in the game. why invest in holding btc if only 3 to 4 places control the supply? unlike diamonds which have real use other then bling, drill bits come to mind btc is purely a cash substitute. I can't see an investor wanting to hold 100,000 coins in the way an investor holds shares of APPLE (any company) if the mining is centralized to 3-5 companies. I also still see miners in the home as space heaters. I am not sure why DeLonghi has not merged or started a joint venture with btc in mind http://www.amazon.com/DeLonghi-EW7707CM-Safeheat-ComforTemp-Oil-Filled/dp/B000TGDGLU/ref=sr_1_1?I totally agree. If you just buy BTC and then Bitfury would want to crush KnC or vice versa by dropping the price, thereby crushing the value of my BTC 'investment', then it would be stupid to have such investment in the first place. For mass consumption, space heaters is one possibility, second is, perhaps, routers. Everyone uses a router. Why not add low power hashing chip(s) to it? Third-refrigerator. It releases a bit of heat already, so why not a bit more while hashing.
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0.00% lets see .
my understanding is that 0.00 is is actually an interval between >-0.01; <+0.01, and even for this interval the award should have been roughly 10-12X from a statistical point of view. The probability of it being exactly +/-0.00X with X being less than 5, rounded to 0.00 IS smaller still (about 1/25 of each other interval).
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For anyone that doesn't know yet: The UMISOO market on Hashnest is based on Antminer S2 miners, you could get 1TH for a cheap 0.2 BTC there and redeem the hardware as soon as the upgrade kit comes out ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Maybe Bitmain will even offer the option to upgrade those hosted miners at an extra cost, that would be an extremely profitable investment I guess ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Getting a S2 for 0.2 BTC and buying the upgrade kit (propably not that expensive) which Bitmain stated to perform under 0.4W/Ghash would result in a 2-2.5Thash miner using about 800-1000W for a very good price. Where have you seen S2 for 0.2BTC? It is selling for $250-300 on Ebay.
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At the current BTC value selling miners is probably more profitable than mining. They are selling to someone. Just not us.
Could be a very astute observation. If any of the state actors would suddenly want to mine bitcoin, they will sweep the slate clean and there will be almost no miners for sale.
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Just a spot of info... I received the box of Delta's 1212HHE and they are of no use. These are Apple Case fans and come with 4 pin connector (and ALL black wires), but the S5 will not drive it. I possibly could figure out how to make them go at a fixed speed, but at 55 I'm too old to fiddle around with things I don't WANT to understand. I tried to liberate that 'pig' in the wall 50 years ago with a 'match', holding the match head between my fingers, just to be 'lucky' and hit that HOT wire on the first try, finding myself 4m away upside down the opposite wall with the the burning match between my fingers. (the ass whopping from dad 'cured' me indefinably from 'messing' with wires and electricity to this day) I admire people that whip out these fancy measuring devices and know how to splice wires etc to make something go.
I am going to shop for something that works out of the box ... (not having Navi in the name though)
Let me know if you come across some viable solution to this noise pollution besides building a new shack in the back yard and run wire to it.
Just to help-want my noctua and scythe fans? i sold my s5 without them, so i have them lying around now (two noctua and two Scythe's). Noctua 3000 for push+Scythe for pull work at setting 350 producing 1150GH with much less noise (as long as ambient is below 30C). I have hashing records. Hi Biodom, what you're asking for them? Shipping in the US? I am near Kansas City, zip code 66062. Paypal would be my preference to pay for them and it would give you the verified shipping address ... don't think this needs to be escrow'd Ordered a Delta AFB1212SHE-PWM yesterday which is supposed to be sufficient with only one fan, but I have 2 other S5's that could use a fix. paypal is OK, i PM'ed you re price.
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This is a short term offer as we are doing a bulk purchase! One CryptoKube 200 Launch with 17 Spondoolies SP31 $55,500 USD. This is a plug and play system that will include all electrical and cooling components as well as the mining hardware. Just plug it in and you have 80 TH of power that is secure and cooled! Check it out at www.cryptokube.comThese will be built in Western Canada and can be easily shipped to the cheap power in Washington State. people would be very interested at BTC=$500 and would tear it from your hands with BTC at >=$600 Good timing, perhaps, if BTC will surge on some news.
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Just a spot of info... I received the box of Delta's 1212HHE and they are of no use. These are Apple Case fans and come with 4 pin connector (and ALL black wires), but the S5 will not drive it. I possibly could figure out how to make them go at a fixed speed, but at 55 I'm too old to fiddle around with things I don't WANT to understand. I tried to liberate that 'pig' in the wall 50 years ago with a 'match', holding the match head between my fingers, just to be 'lucky' and hit that HOT wire on the first try, finding myself 4m away upside down the opposite wall with the the burning match between my fingers. (the ass whopping from dad 'cured' me indefinably from 'messing' with wires and electricity to this day) I admire people that whip out these fancy measuring devices and know how to splice wires etc to make something go.
I am going to shop for something that works out of the box ... (not having Navi in the name though)
Let me know if you come across some viable solution to this noise pollution besides building a new shack in the back yard and run wire to it.
Just to help-want my noctua and scythe fans? i sold my s5 without them, so i have them lying around now (two noctua and two Scythe's). Noctua 3000 for push+Scythe for pull work at setting 350 producing 1150GH with much less noise (as long as ambient is below 30C). I have hashing records.
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In October 2014 a non-peer-reviewed paper by the same authors as the May 2013 report describes results from evaluations in March 2014 of an upgraded version of the E-Cat which runs at higher temperatures. Unlike previous demonstrations, the test was carried out with monitoring equipment and in a laboratory not supplied by Rossi, and was run over an extended duration (32 days).[66] However, as with the previous report, the authors were not in full control of the process yep, not a truly independent testing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer
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... Their saying the definetly WILL NOT produce consumer models for their next gen...
What I said was that our initial form factor for the 3rd gen will be suitable for bulk buyers. Please read my last messages. This is fine, as long as that grade is not required at a truck load to buy. I could buy a single 16kw unit. no issue, would like to buy from you and not from a third party, unless you plan to have authorized resellers? We'll probably sell single units as well. It's not a promise though. I believe that a much better model for a small buyers will be to buy some small percentage of a shared mine. From the marketing perspective-most people in US will not go for it (sharing small %). It's just not in our DNA (although i am not a native, but as they say in Texas-I was born elsewhere, but got here as soon as i could). Besides, i seriously doubt that the big iron is the way to go. We went through this in computers, and it is clearly not the most efficient way. I don't know what will be a winning combo: maybe heaters that could mine; maybe miners that could do other things, like trading stuff between each other; maybe 3D printers that could mine when not in use or internet/wireless routers that could mine. Dual purpose with low energy chips. A couple of things that SPT did not address: 1. Is this miner based on 28nm or 16nm (I assume 28nm)? 2. What real life energy efficiency it will have? 3. Although it is probably FUD as far as speed of actual machines being produced is concerned, competitors are claiming the tapeout of 16nm 0.07w/Gh chip. Even assuming that it will result in 0.1Gh/w, it is still 10Th/1000w. I fail to see the urgent need for a 16kw machine that would be difficult to deploy.
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SP20e sold, EVGA is sold as well accept bids for EVGA 1300
: the last ONE of two that were initially for sale two great SP20E machines that were for most time downclocked, but tested at regular speed. New price: 1.71 BTC (currently $499), shipped to US (at a discount to the prevalent ebay price of $600-715). Can ship to Canada with everything over $20 in shipment cost added (as extra). Machines were stationed in an air conditioned environment.
Since SP20 is now discontinued, I consider it a collection product with the price STILL similar to the final SPT price ($479+shipping) when bitcoin was 35% lower.
S5 is $416 $466 shipped, available only on March 30, two weeks away. As a result, todays fair value of S5 is ~$450 and SP20E fair value is at least 20-30% higher due to its higher speed (at least 1.5TH is easily achievable, maybe up to 1.6-1.65TH), ease of customization, unavailability, etc. I am selling at a discount to that.
1.71BTC/$499
Sold as well EVGA 1300 in perfect shape (used for a few months), $135 (now 0.47BTC), shipped to US.
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OT: Hey, is Eligius off? I don't see the web site and miners switched over.
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KnC 20nm machine was grossly overpriced, 6 mo preorder and than 1-2 mo late. By the time it finally came out, it did not matter that much because there were comparable and much less expensive machines from Spond and Bitmain. I expect pretty much the same story-a lot of hype and than mediocre implementation or none as far as consumer side is concerned.
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