It seems that forking the mother of all cryptos was something very doable.
It was always doable. It happened before. This time it happened during the scaling drama, so it got a lot of attention, even mainstream media were publishing sensationalist articles like "Bitcoin split in two, future uncertain". Is there something stopping it from happening again and again in the future?
No, it's the nature of blockchain and open-source projects. And how are mutliple forkings going to affect bitcoin?
In the long run - they are irrelevant, unless they somehow deliver better network than Bitcoin - but I don't see it happening in the near future (2-5 years). Short-term effects of forks may vary from near-zero to somewhat distracting.
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It does not make any sense ... the coins are doubled and 300-600$ is added to the value does not make sense imo
Because Bitcoin's price (in USD) goes up or down only when it's bought/sold for fiat. When BTC is exchanged for altcoin, or altcoin exchanged for USD, it has no direct impact on BTC price. It might influence traders to buy or sell BTC, but they can also ignore alts when they are making their decisions on BTC/USD markets. BTC price would drop if people were selling BTC for fiat and using that fiat to buy BCH, but this is not the case because people can trade BCH/BTC directly, and this is actually the highest volume in all BCH trading pairs.
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSRKImUv.png&t=663&c=sT6bxaFZZu_zeg) 10 billion dollar network emerged out of thin air. Or did it? Marketcap is a simple multiplication of price of a single coin by total number of coins in economy. It implies that there's a free market where every participant can easily sell or buy given coin. But is it the case with today's BCH? As of now, almost no exchange actually supports BCH deposits, so the real amount of BCH in circulation is far smaller than 21 million, it's actually equal to amount of BTC held by users on exchanges that listed BCH now. This number is probably some dozens of thousands BCH, at it creates a perfect opportunity for speculation and manipulation.
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I'm not surprised though. I agree with NorrisK, bitcoin cash is like another altcoin. The different is they use bitcoin name for easy money and easy promotion rofl, cmiiw. I think big gambling sites will keep using bitcoin as the payment and bitcoin cash will not. Obviously even ethereum is not accepted on some big gambling sites.
That's what I thought too ... until today. Look at this https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/. BCH is up 65% +, wtf. If this tendency will continue Bitcoin Casinos will surely accept Bitcoin Cash in the future. Btw Ethereum is accepted by most big gambling sites I know. https://bigcoingambling.com/ethereum-gambling-sites/Businesses don't make decisions to accept new coin basing on it's 24h price change, or position on coinmarketcap. What they do care is genuine support from users, and so far no one talks how they want to use BCH instead of Bitcoin, in fact most people can't wait to dump it, but they can't because exchanges haven't launched their wallets yet (hence the artificial shortage and price rise). With the recent emergence of Bitcoin Cash due to Bitcoin Scaling, some bitcoin casinos, such as mBit, Bitcoincasino.us and Oshi.io, have already emailed their players that they implemented the policy of not accepting Bitcoin Cash. Any thoughts?
Supporting BCH is a big security concern, coins need to be moved from Bitcoin wallets before importing private keys, BCH software hasn't been tested and reviewed, it's unclear if there's a demand for it from users. This is why most casinos haven't supported it and only promised to release coins at most. Supporting BCH is profitable only for exchanges right now, since they are getting fees from trades.
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Governments can't destroy cryptocurrencies in one swing, like it happened with private payment systems previously, but if major forces (the US, EU, China, Russia) would act together, they can make sure that cryptocurrencies adoption will never reach mainstream levels. The weakest link of cryptocurrencies is mining - if cryptocurrencies were completely outlawed globally, most large scale mines would be forced to close, meaning lower network hashrates, meaning it would be easier for governments to attack crypto networks with 51% attacks. But there are many reasons why it hasn't happened yet and unlikely to happen in the future.
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Volume means many people are selling, and many people are buying. Everybody on the forum I've read about so far is either dumping or holding.
So who is buying ?
This price doesn't mean anything now, because most exchanges still haven't enabled their BCH wallets, so only people who held BTC on those exchanges and got BCH credited to their accounts can sell. Basically, it's not open market yet. As for who buying - the answer is speculators, crypto markets are well knows for their volatility, so bubbles, pumps and dumps are nothing new. Rememeber, shitcoins rise and fall, Bitcoin is here to stay.
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All these robbery arguments are stupid, Coinbase guarantees storing of Bitcoins, it never says in its user agreement that you own private keys and any altcoin that will fork from Bitcoin. And they have made a warning that anyone who wants to get BCH should withdraw, if someone has ignored this warning, it's their own fault. And the reason why Coinbase and other companies don't touch BCH is because they don't want to run untested, unverified software from unknown developers. Their primary concern is safety of Bitcoins they currently hold. It would be "robbery" if they have claimed BCH for themselves, so if you want to make this kind of accusations, go find transactions on BCH blockchain that would prove that.
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So far no tragedy. Your worries are unfounded for now, as far as I can see. So far not many dollars moving, if any at all... ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Miners want more profit, thus moving to BCC is a huge risk with no obvious return. The economic incentive is on Bitcoin so far. With fork done we can move on from the toxic deadlock between rival factions, this is good for bitcoin. Words like "rival factions" or "civil war" imply that there's some significant split in Bitcoin community, but in reality a big amount of users who spread FUD against Bitcoin while promoting BCH are actually just shills with bought/fresh accounts. And when it the time comes to show your real support economically via buying and mining, it becomes clear that BCH has very little support.
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The issue with the fees is that even if for you the transaction fee is not that big, you must understand that bitcoin need to work not only for those that live in the first world and that can afford 1 or 2 dollar fees, in a third world country that may mean a full day of work, so the issue needs to be solved somehow, and segwit may be a short term solution for that.
No one can afford 1-2 dollar fee for every transaction while using it in place of cash/credit cards. though this is a non issue anymore, others are right that this issue could reoccur. the one behind tbe spam transaction can go and spam the network again. hopefully segwit would be enough to counter those attacks so the fees will not rise again. though the miners benefit from those attacks, i do not think they are behind it.
This will be the issue for a long time, if people will start actually adopting Bitcoin, it will be the same or even bigger than the recent spam attack, in terms of load on the network. And segwit itself hasn't solved the scaling problem (and its goal never was to do so), it's a preparation for future developments. Basically, blockchain technology is still on its early stages of development.
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EPIC FAIL! Bitmain Cash has less then 5% of Bitcoins hash power. I'm calling it this thing is dead in the water. Even if it manages to produce a block in the next 24 hours it can't survive unless it gains a huge amount of hash power.
Mining is a business, and right now redirecting your hash power to BCH is a loss, because the difficulty is huge while the reward is small. When BCH difficulty will drop, some hashpower/BCH_price equilibrium will be established. So, it doesn't mean that BCH is already dead, but still it's funny how miners, who were crying for big blocks, are refusing to switch to Bitmaincoin, because they have no confidence in its price. Hope it will be a lesson for everyone who didn't realize that Bitcoin's direction is decided by economic majority and not some pure hashrate.
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I was looking at this coin in slightly more detail and it has a much larger blocksize and was the original bitcoin. So, why do most people want this coin to become just another altcoin or pump and dump coin when it is basically the same as the other bitcoin but with a better blocksize and more transactions that can fit into the block?
People don't "want" Bcash to become a shitcoin, people are making their predictions about the potential value of bcash network. So far it's not looking good, because there's no innovation. It's just another copypaste of Bitcoin, something that anyone can do without any in-depth technical knowledge. 8 mb blocksize isn't innovative, there are lots of coins (including Bitcoin forks) with similar or bigger blocksize. People around BCH constantly attack BTC, its community and devs, while not actually adding anything to crypto community, so it's only natural that most people have negative opinions about BCH.
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In the long run it doesn't matter who Satoshi is and what is actually his vision (big blocks or offchain transactions or whatever). What truly matters is how good a given network is - we have open competition between Bitcoin, its forks and altcoins, and so far Bitcoin Core is winning by providing the best software. So, even if Satoshi supports big blocks, but it will turn out that big blocks can't scale to dozens and hundreds of thousands tps, while other scaling solutions can, it would mean that the latter networks will be worth more.
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I understand BCC/BCH is similar to lumen (but 1:1 ratio based airdrop). BCC/BCH is just an altcoin is being created with air drop plans based on snap shot of blockchain as of August 1st 2017 12:20 UTC.
The difference between altcoins that use BTC addresses for airdrop and BCH/BCC is that BCH/BCC copies Bitcoins blockchain and uses it as its own. To claim BCC you need to import your private keys (which might endanger your BTC wallet in the future), while in altcoin airdrop you need to sign a message with BTC address. This is because BCC/BCH code is very close to Bitcoin, while other altcoins can have major differences. So, BCC/BCH is an airdrop altcoin, but a bit different from other altcoins. For example, you can claim it anytime you want after the fork, while other airdrop altcoins have centralized distribution which is active only during some time frames. Why big hype on BCC/BCH and how they will survive 51% attack ?
There's no hype for it, so far only some exchanges accept it. As for 51% attack - just as the other altcoins. No one is going to bother attacking them.
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How is this free? You've either bought BCC (which cost you something), expect it to get pumped up and then you'll sell on the quick rise. Is that correct?
The concept of "you'll have an equal amount of BCC coins and BTC coins" does not mean you have double the number of coins. It means you'll be able to claim BCC OR BTC, not both. And your private keys are the source of record, they are interchangeable in both wallets. Once you claim your BCC you will now have an equal amount less available in BTC, and vice versa.
There's nothing free about this, especially if you think BCC is going to fail.
The only "lottery-like" win here is elect to take BCC immediately and the conversion is something like 1BTC:1000BCC and then BCC takes off days, weeks, or months after.
Once you import your private keys to BCC client, nothing happens with your BTC, they are on different chains. Technically, there's a risk that BCC will use your private keys to steal your BTC, but it can be easily avoided by moving BTC to new wallet before importing private keys. So, you got everything wrong (or deliberately trolling). Google what replay protection is. If BCC reaches $1000 by Christmas a looooooooot of people are going to regret their life choices lol. I am not saying that it will but what if it actually did? Man this is getting so exciting. With SegWit2x coming up as well this is going to get real hot real soon ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif) BCC is an airdrop, there's less incentive to hodl it for primary owners (BTC users), since they got it for free, without investing anything. The price support of BCC will be formed by big block believers and people like Jihan and Ver.
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https://www.coindesk.com/legal-experts-warn-of-coming-crackdown-on-token-exchanges/Basically, no one can't prevents ICO's from happening, i.e. sending Bitcoins and getting altcoins in exchange directly from ICO runners. But what regulators can do is to crackdown on exchanges that list ICO tokens, since they are effectively violating new laws that say that tokens are now securities and must be regulated. Storing coins on exchange was always a bad idea, but now it seems even worse. This also brings a new question - what will regulators do to decentralized exchanges that can't be taken down so easily? Edit: bonus question - are PoS coins securities?
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I installed multi-bit on another computer and restored the wallet to that computer and the wallet restored but was grayed out with password screen in front. I could see the balance was correct so entered the new password created when I did the restore.
By default, Multibit was frequently making backups of the wallet, if you still have them, you should try picking different ones when you are using restore wallet (from seed) option. If you are doing this, try using the oldest available backups first. Alternatively, you can try to import your seed to Electrum 2.9.0 : Multibit HD: https://youtu.be/E-KcY6KUVnYMultibit Classic: https://youtu.be/LaijbTcxsv8
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I have a strong belief that ETC is a pump and dump scamcoin, used as a tool for insider trading by people like Barry Silbert. Here's a good article if you want to find out more about itAnd it's not hard to draw parallels with BCC, who also has it's shadowy figures like Jihan Wu, Roger Ver and Craig Wright. There will be some amount of pumps and dumps, accompanied by FUD against Bitcoin, and this altcoin might stick for a year or two, depending on how much money its beneficiaries can afford to spend.
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please keep in mind that
1BTC + 1BCC worth $1,000 is not as smart as 1 BTC worth $3,000...
This is just a blind prediction. Most traders agree that Bitcoin's price won't drop on August 1st, because most users don't feel any threat from BCC. ..
BCC is a scam, it is almost sort of "pre-mined" by Bitmain (hash power and 1st move advantage)
BCC forks from BTC blockchain, it's wrong to say it was premined by Bitmain unless you suggest that Bitmain owns significant portion of Bitcoin. ..
Too bad, beacuse the idea of a way bigger block size is great and that is what BTC needs (up to a certain extend, to keep the "decentralized" idea, even if 1% of holders have 69% of BTC...)
In fact it's the opposite - big blocks will quickly cause centralization of nodes, and this is why Core is against it, even though it would boost Bitcoins capacity in short term. Bitcoins distribution between addresses/users is completely irrelevant.
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Bitcoin's freelance markets are making only a tiny fraction of freelance platforms like Upwork, and essentially it serves as connector between employers and workers who couldn't establish payments because of absence of common payment systems in some countries. The other potential way to make money with Bitcoin is to start your own business that utilizes either privacy (which is not perfect, btw) or global payments. All this means that Bitcoin's economy at current state can give jobs only to a very small amount of people.
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Bitcoin's price is irrelevant for its functionality
We can do anything Bitcoin does regardless of the price being $10000 or $0.001 / BTC
I held n hold a lot of Bitcoin and I like the price and I like the price to increase
But in fact its price is entirely irrelevant LOL
If Bitcoin's value is very low, like $0.001 in your example, mining becomes a literal waste of power because of near-zero rewards from blocks and fees. This means that difficulty will drop to very low levels, as only true altruists would keep mining (essentially donating their electricity). This means that it would be cheap for some attacker to gather enough hashing power to execute 51% attack and disrupt the network. Conclusion: Bitcoin at $0.001 wouldn't work the same as Bitcoin at $10000.
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