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8201  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can cryptocurrency make real money disappear? on: July 02, 2017, 08:48:34 AM
ITs possible but its yet too far to be actual, Most of the adult right now are not yet fully accustomed with computer, or the current technology.

I don't think so.
By default, cryptocurrency is decentralized, without government control.
I can't imagine that we will be allowed to use crypto currency in order to pay mortgage in the bank, to get loan, to buy house etc.
Every country have very strict rules regarding ''money laundering''.
With crypto currency, it's impossible to truck origin of money.
So, crypto currency will remain as alternative to real money, what is perfectly fine for me.
When I need it, I will exchange my btc funds to real money and spend without problem.

8202  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Still Love Democracy? on: July 01, 2017, 08:48:24 PM
Democracy is a bad sistem. The vote of Beethoven or Schopenhauer can't have the same importance than the vote of a drunk person. People who understand about politics shoud decide what is the better for the nation if this don't happen media and secret societies will manipulate people.
PS: in the ancient Greek democracy slaves didn't vote.

So, what is the solution than?
How you will decide who should be slave and who should be master?
By definition, in democracy everybody have the same rights.
So, you don't talk about democracy here.
It's some kind of dictatorship.
Unless you suggest something better than democracy, some better political system, I don't think you will find a lot of supporters here.

I think a country shoud have one strong leader and the method to decide who is this leader shoud be like the system to elect a pope in the catolic church

So, you are talking about free elections and voting and we already have it in every democratic country in the world.
I also think that many countries have strong and good leaders in the world Smiley
8203  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Čime se bavite ? on: July 01, 2017, 08:41:18 PM
@mrgud ako ovako nastaviš spamati linkove 100% ćeš dobiti ban.
@daniel91 jel možeš malo preurediti svoj post i maknuti ovaj link iz njega?
@tetrafugolini slabo se posta ovdje, a i tema je još off topic i ljudi baš ne vole govoriti privatne stvari po forumima. Ja ti mogu reći da se bavim signature campaignom fortunejack casina i to ti je to od mene Grin

Sorry, imaš pravo, zaboravio sam obrisati link.
Ne trebaju nam spameri ovdje.
A forum je anoniman i mislim da većina ne želi otkrivati čime se bavi u stvarnom životu Smiley
8204  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Still Love Democracy? on: July 01, 2017, 03:47:33 PM
Democracy is a bad sistem. The vote of Beethoven or Schopenhauer can't have the same importance than the vote of a drunk person. People who understand about politics shoud decide what is the better for the nation if this don't happen media and secret societies will manipulate people.
PS: in the ancient Greek democracy slaves didn't vote.

So, what is the solution than?
How you will decide who should be slave and who should be master?
By definition, in democracy everybody have the same rights.
So, you don't talk about democracy here.
It's some kind of dictatorship.
Unless you suggest something better than democracy, some better political system, I don't think you will find a lot of supporters here.
8205  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What are the Most Peaceful Countries? on: July 01, 2017, 03:42:15 PM
In my opinion- Switzerland.
They didn't have war last 400-500 years.
In political relations are neutral and have good relations with all countries in the world.
I don't think that they have any serious crime in the country.
Everything in this country is about business.
Their material standard is the highest in the world.
It's perfect place to live and enjoy Smiley
8206  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to do with the people who don't like Bitcoin? on: July 01, 2017, 03:35:11 PM
People who do not like bitcoin, most likely have this opinion because of a lack of information about it. Therefore, the only thing that needs to be done is to disseminate information on the basis of which people can draw justified conclusions.

It can be one reason but it's not all.
I personally know many people which don't like modern technologies, Internet etc.
They even don't like to use Internet banking or ATM Smiley
So, I don't think that such people will ever accept bitcoin in their lives.


8207  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Čime se bavite ? on: July 01, 2017, 03:18:11 PM
moguci nacin da se dodje do veceg stanja btc-a, jeste ponzi ali ko uhvati voz na vreme mozdai zaradi Cheesy


Mislim da ovaj post ne spada ovdje.
Kao što vidiš, tema je nešto drugo, pitanje čime se bavimo, a ne ponzi načini zarade bitcoina.
DRži se teme a ako imaš nešto svoje za podijelti, otvori novi topic.
8208  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is bitcoin a religion? on: June 30, 2017, 02:47:50 PM
First, we have to answer question what is religion?
In my opinion, it's instituted form of faith.
Faith means to believe in something invisible, spiritual, something to gives us purpose of life, our creator...
With bitcoin, I don't think that we have instituted form of faith or something invisible, spiritual, that we are receiving purpose of life here.
So, bitcoin is not a religion.
8209  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The fatal error of Stalin, which saved the world on: June 30, 2017, 02:39:41 PM
Stalin didn't made any error, the error was from the German side. After having conquer most of Europe in the second World War they thought they could conquer Russia. The problem was that Germans could not deal with the rough winter, very common in Russia for the Russian army and very uncommon for the Germans. That was the key that decided that Russia won the world war 2 and they every year make a parade in Moscow to celebrate that.

I agree with you.
Because of the same reason Napoleon also lost war in Russia.
Hitler attacked USSR to late, on the end of June, because of war in Yugoslavia before.
If he did it before, let's say in April, outcome could be different.
His big mistake also was announcement of war to America.
If Hitler waited just a year or two with announcement of war to America, and with an attack on USSR, and concentrated to first conquer Britain, the outcome of the war could be different.
We will never know.
8210  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The reason why people do not get Bitcoin. on: June 30, 2017, 02:18:01 PM
I just talked with my friend.
He tried to explain bitcoin to his 60 years old boss but without success.
He can't understand from where bitcoin comes, feel it's illegal because no government control or regulations etc.
It's obvious that some people don't have open minds and can't accept bitcoin.


8211  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is God male or female? on: June 28, 2017, 02:24:16 PM
as knowledge from the bible god is no gender, because god is no body and bones, god is spirites.
and i believe jesus is not a god. jesus is the son of god. how do you say god and jesus is the same?

Yes, God is spiritual being but we can say that He have both male and female characteristics in himself.
Why we can say it?
In the Genesis is said that God created Adam and Eve according to his image.
Everything on the earth is created as male or female.
God and Jesus are different, of course.
Jesus is first perfect human being, but not God.
8212  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe in religion? on: June 28, 2017, 02:18:23 PM
People believe in religion because they fear the unknown. So, they want to believe in someone who is superior to them in order to feel sort of protection and self-relief.

I don't agree with you.
People wants to understand what is purpose of their life.
They understand that visible, external world, is not everything and that also invisible, spiritual reality exist.
If we wants to live happy and fulfilled life, we need to unite and harmonize this 2 worlds and find higher purpose in our life.
People are not afraid of God, they feel that God is origin of their life and love, their heavenly Father.
8213  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Bitcoin End World Poverty? on: June 28, 2017, 02:11:18 PM
I don't think so.
In order to end world poverty we need to educate children, give them electricity, pure water, Internet etc.
Political changes are needed, end of political corruption, economic development, infrastructure development, good health care...
You can't do it with bitcoin.
I'm sorry but you are to idealistic and don't understand reality.
Money is not enough, people have to change.
8214  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as a source of income? on: June 28, 2017, 02:05:09 PM
If you buy bitcoin, it's investment for you, not income.
Only if you earn your btc funds through some concrete work, like programming, online marketing etc. or with signature campaign on this forum, you can say that bitcoin is source of income for you.
Of course, such income for the most people is not enough yet to leave their current job, for example, but still it's nice to have additional income every month Smiley
8215  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people pray? on: June 26, 2017, 02:31:39 PM
Prayer is talk with our Heavenly Parent and creator, God.
If we really feel and believe that God is our parent and creator, than it's naural that we want to talk with him.
In the beginning, like each baby, we don't know how to talk with God, and we can't hear answer.
Later, we learn how to talk and also how to listen God's answer.
Prayer is like everyday communication in our family.
8216  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is Based on People's Faith on: June 26, 2017, 02:26:03 PM
Bitcoin is based on people's vision to change the world and also to change their own life.
We don't like current financial system, we don't like banks, loans, poorly paid jobs and unequal distribution of wealth in the world.
So, with Bitcoin we have tool to change our own life, to get rid from the banks, to become financially free etc.
It's awesome and it's one of the main reason people likes bitcoin, and have faith in bitcoin.
8217  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if Governments Shutdown the Internet? on: June 26, 2017, 02:18:56 PM
I don't think that such scenario can happen.
In some countries Internet became ''human right''.
Most jobs today depend on the Internet.
Without Internet, we will have great chaos and confusion.
A much more realistic scenario is that some governments try to block bitcoin in the future.
8218  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Porez on: June 26, 2017, 02:12:30 PM
@Daniel91 - Da, neupućeni su totalno... Ja sam im probao objasnit što više, no ništa od toga kad oni jedva da su čuli za BitCoin a kamoli za nekaj drugo (ETH, Monero itd..)

Po tebi, koliko bi poreza mogao platiti, jer meni je malo sumnjivo to 12% poreza na dohodak + 18% prireza na tih 12%. Da je tako, ja vjerujem da se nebi puno ljudi skrivalo i izbjegavalo porez...

@freigeist - da to je ta kartica - https://payeer.com/upload/pdf/payeer_mastercard_en.pdf

Imaš ih još dosta - Xapo, Bitpay (mislim da je potrebna verifikacija), Wirex...

Po onome što opisuješ, ti bi trebao platiti porez na dohodak, a ne porez na kapitalnu dobit (nemaš zaradu od dionica, dividendi i sl. već zaradu od ostvarenog rada).
Porez na dohodak se prijavljuje putem JOOPD obrasca u roku 8 dana od isplate tj. ostvarene zarade.
Kako se točno ispunjava JOOPPD obrazac i koliko se plaća porez, prirez i doprinosi, već sam dvaput napisao i objasnio u ovom topicu, ali evo još jednom (u nastavku posta, dolje). Smiley
By the way, na ovo još možeš očekivati i povrat poreza, ja ga dobivam svake godine, na svoj plaćeni porez na internetsku zaradu.
Napominjem da ćeš sa svojim poreznim referentom morati provjeriti šifre iz JOOPD šifrarnika, tj. odredit će ti poreznu karegoriju u koju točno spada tvoja internetsaka zarada.
Bez toga tvoja porezna prijava neće proči i bit će odbijena u poreznom sustavu.

Ponavljam post kako ispuniti JOOPD obrazac:
OK, pod pretpostavkom da si zaposlen i radiš i plaćaš prirez u Zagrebu, te da prijavljuješ drugi dohodak iz imozemstva, dat ću ti jedan primjer konkretne prijave poreznoj.
Prvo devizni iznos, koji si primio, moraš pretvoriti u kune po srednjem tečaju HNB-a na dan primitka.
Šifre koje upisuješ u JOOPD obrazac sam već objasnio u prethodnom postu, pa idemo na izračun.
Recimo da je 11. iznos primitka,  198,44 kn.
Tada je 12, Osnovica za obračun doprinosa, 138,91 kn (- 30 % za izdatke koje si imao).
12.1 Doprinos za mirovinsko osiguranje 10,42 kn tj. 7,5 % od 12.
12.2 Doprinos za mirovinsko osiguranje 2.stup, 3,47 kn ili 2,5 % od 12.
12.3 Doprinos za zdravstveno osiguranje 10,42 kn (7,5%)
13.1 Izdatak 59,53 kn ili razlika između 11 i 12.
13.2 Izdatak, uplaćeni doprinos za mirovinsko osiguranje, 13,89 kn ili 12.1 +12.2
13.3 Dohodak je 125,02 kn ili 12- 12.1 -12.2
13.5 Porezna osnovica je također 125,02 kn
14.1 Iznos obračunastog poreza na dohodak 30,00 kn ili 25 % od dohotka na 13.3
14.2 Iznos obračunatog prireza prezu na dohodak je 5.40 kn ili 18 % (prirez u gradu Zagrebu) od 14.1
16.2 Iznos za isplatu (neto iznos) u ovom primjeru je 149,15 kn ili ono što ostane kad se od ukupnog porimitka pod 11 oduzmu oba doprinosa za mirovinsko pod 12.1 i 12.2 te predujam poreza i prireza pod 14.1 i 142
Pod ostale stupce stavlja se 0.

Nakon ovog obračuna, pod V.5 Ukupan iznos predujma poreza na dohodak po osnovi primitka od kojeg se utvrđuje drugi dohodak piše se 35.40 kn.
POd VI. 1.2. Ukupni iznos doprinosa za mirovinsko osiguranje po osnovi drugog dohotka piše se 10,42 kn
Pod VI. 2.2 Ukupan iznos doprinosa za mirovinsko osiguranje  na temelju indvidualne kapitalizirane štednje po osnovi drugog dohotka piše se 3.47 kn.
Zadnja 3 iznosa se zbroje i plaćaju Poreznoj.

Dakle, u ovom primjeru državi je otišlo malo manje od 30 % od internet zarade Smiley
Evo, nadam se da je ovaj konkretan primjer (prihvaćen i odobren od porezne) pomogao.

8219  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Porez on: June 25, 2017, 07:38:18 PM
Miner iz posta više bih bio ja.

Zvao sam poreznog savjetnika, koji mi je poslao taj mail. Ponovno sam ga zvao kako bi mi detaljno objasnio neke stvari, no jednostavno su mi rekli da oni nemaju previše znanja oko toga te da mi više od toga ne može pomoći.

Ona poruka na pasetbinu se odnosi na nekoga tko trejda btc i slicno, ja sam njima pokusao objasnit da ja ne trejdam, da ja "majnam" sa svojim računalom, uložio sam svoj novac i plaćam struju za to itd... Znači ja to u pravilu "proizvodim" i prodajem.

Na to su oni meni dali odgovor da sam onda dužan do kraja siječnja iduće godine dužan platiti 12% poreza i na to 18% prireza (grad zagreb) za 2017 godinu. Znači zbrojite sve uplate koje vam sjednu na tekući/žiro/devizni u 2017 - i na to do kraja siječnja 2018 morate platiti navedeni porez.

Da "trejdam" onda bi si morao uplaćivati i mirovinsko, zdravtsveno itd.. jer je to sve drugi dohodak... Iskreno, ni meni ništa nije previše jasno jer oni baš i nisu upućeni u sve to.

Anonimni ste ako dižete na bankomatu, nitko Vam ne može ući u trag što se toga tiće.

Isto tako imate Uquid karticu za koju ne treba verifikacija i možete na njoj držati do 250€ i dizati...

Iskreno, onaj njihov odgovor, koji si objavio, bio je previšer uopćen. Uglavnom su samo kopirali odredbe zakona, u kojima se nigdje izričito ne spominje bitcoin, a očigedno je i da ne razumiju što je bitcoin, što je mining, trejd i slično.
Iskreno, nisam siguran da se možeš baš previše pouzdati u ovaj njihov odgovor.
Tek kad dođeš u konkretnu situaciju da predaješ poreznu prijavu, kod konkretnog poreznog referenta, i kada trebaš ispuniti i predati JOOPD obrazac, tek ćeš tada vidjeti kako to konkretno funkcionira u praksi, i što i koliko plaćaš.

8220  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do Love really exist ? on: June 25, 2017, 12:20:07 PM
Love still exist. But sometimes i believe that real love is not something between couples but between parents and their children.
Because of some hormons or sth i dont know parents mostly attached to love their children in more pure way without any doubt. Not only for humans only but same story for all the nature.

I agree that parental love is strongest force and love in the universe.
We inherited such love from our Heavenly parent, God.
So, such love is not connected with some hormones and genes but have root and origin in God's love.
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