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8221  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is God male or female? on: June 25, 2017, 12:16:40 PM
If there was a creator of all stuff around us, It must be a man. Because, Mankind love war, rape or any other evil things. Men love these things either. This similarity is a justification of the so-called god is a man. If god were a woman, there would be no war no rape no hate on earth.

First, god gave us free will.
He didn't want to create robots who will absolutely follow his commands but being with free will, with great potential to be master of this world and perfect being, God's children.
God gave 3 blessings to human beings, to be fruitful (perfect human being), to multiply (have family) and to have dominion over creation.
Second, God didn't create wars, rape, evil things etc. We did.
Third, God created beautiful, great universe, nature, sky, sun....
8222  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is God male or female? on: June 24, 2017, 03:25:41 PM
If you read Bible, Genesis, you will read that God created first human being in a way to resemble him.
If so, it means that God is similar to both Adam and Eve, male sand female.
In fact, all creation is made in such way.
In animal world we have male and female, also positive and negative parts in the atoms etc.
Since all creation is made in such way to resemble creator, God, only logical conclusion is that God is both male and female, Parent, not just father.


8223  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do Love really exist ? on: June 24, 2017, 03:19:56 PM
In the world there has always been good and evil, love and hate. This is the balance between good and bad, so love exists.

Yes, God exist because origin of love and life exist, our creator, God.
Originally, only love and goodness existed but because of mistake of our first ancestors, Adam and Eve, we have dualism now of goodness and evil.
Still, we are being with free will and can choose love and goodness.
8224  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Volatility - major reasons for ?! on: June 24, 2017, 03:07:37 PM
Bitcoin market is not different than any other market in the world.
It means that people decide about money based on emotions, not rational reasons.
So, if bitcoin start to rise, everybody are happy and buying.
When something happen and bitcoin start to go down, everybody sell in panic, and the value of bitcoins is even more collapsing.
There are no rational explanation for it, believe me.
You have to study human emotions in order to understand it Smiley
8225  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin may not be number one for long on: June 24, 2017, 02:40:48 PM
Bitcoin may be replaced by an altcoin is unthinkable and impossible, tell me how much does support does ethereum has compared to bitcoin with it's current market cap $45,201,034,552 while ethereum is still ligth years away from btc. In terms in dominance i could say that bitcoin has many users, traders, investors and also it is widely use as a paymeth method in both local and online businesses, other goods and services can be paid in bitcoin, another thing is that bitcoin can actually be converted into real money while ethereum has none of it.

I agree with you.
Right now, bitcoin have no real alternative.
We are first, have strongest foundation, many merchants on our side...
Still, we have to be aware that things are changing very fast in Internet.
If Bitcoin will not change fast enough, some other crypto currencies may replace it, in the long term.
Many users are already very unhappy with high fees and confirmation waiting time.
8226  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Porez on: June 22, 2017, 02:33:47 PM
jedan majner je dobio misljenje poreznog savjetnika da treba "samo" 12% poreza platiti + prirez na tih 12%

https://pastebin.com/TuHxJVui

Ovdje se zapravo radi o vrlo ''uopćenom'' odgovoru, gdje se samo, metodom ''copypaste'' prenose odredbe zakona o porezu na kapitalnu dobit, ali se nigdje direktno ne potvrđuje ono ključno'' u cijeloj priči, da li se bitcoin smatra ''financijskom imovinom'' na koju se onda primjenjuje taj zakon, ili ne.
Po mišljnju HNB-a, bitcoin se ne smatra ni novcem ni financijskom imovinom, a to sam već podijelio ranije u svom topicu.
Tvrditi da poreznici imaju ''drugačije'' shvaćanje bitcoina bilo bi ipak pretenciozno i neozbiljno.
POgledajte i sami:
Prema članku 51. stavku 8. Zakona porezni obveznik – imatelj financijske imovine obvezan je
 
predujam poreza na dohodak od kapitala po osnovi kapitalnih dobitaka iz članka 30. stavaka 16. i 17.
 
Zakona, osim kapitalnih dobitaka po osnovi otuđenja udjela u trgovačkim društvima, obračunati,
 
obustaviti i uplatiti do 31. siječnja tekuće godine za sve kapitalne dobitke ostvarene u prethodnoj
 
godini umanjene za ostvarene kapitalne gubitke iz članka 30. stavka 24. Zakona po stopi od 12% bez
 
priznavanja osobnog odbitka.


A što se smatra financijskom imovinom, na koju se plaća porez na kapitalnu dobit, u tom spomenutom članku 30, stavci 16 i 17?
Prema članku 30. stavku 16. Zakona dohodak od kapitala po osnovi kapitalnih dobitaka iz stavka 1.
 
ovoga članka čini razlika između ugovorene prodajne cijene odnosno primitka utvrđenog prema
 
tržišnoj vrijednosti financijske imovine koja se otuđuje i nabavne vrijednosti.
 
Člankom 30. stavkom 17. Zakona propisano je da se primicima od kapitala po osnovi kapitalnih
 
dobitaka smatraju primici od otuđenja financijskih instrumenata i strukturiranih proizvoda (u daljnjem
 
tekstu: financijska imovina) odnosno primici od:
 
1. prenosivih vrijednosnih papira i strukturiranih proizvoda, uključivo i udjela u kapitalu trgovačkih
 
društava i drugih vrsta udruživanja čiji je način raspolaganja udjelima usporediv s takvim društvima,
 
2. instrumenata tržišta novca,
 
3. jedinica u subjektima za zajednička ulaganja,
 
4. izvedenica,
 
5. razmjernog dijela likvidacijske mase u slučaju likvidacije investicijskog fonda te ostali primici
 
ostvareni od vlasničkih udjela u slučaju likvidacije, prestanka ili istupa.
 
Prema članku 30. stavku 18. otuđenjem financijske imovine smatra se prodaja, zamjena, darovanje i
 
drugi prijenos.


Nigdje se tu ne spominje bitcoin.
Bitcoin nije ni vrijednosni papir, ni instrument na trištu novca (službenoj zagrebačkoj burzi), ni jedinica za zajedničko ulaganje, ni izvedenica prethodnih finanvijskih istrumenata, ni razmjerni dio likvidacijske mase.
Ako je tako, na bitcoin se ne odnosi ovaj zakon.
Tek kad i ako porezna služba, vjerojatno tek nakon što to učini Hrvatska narodna banka, službeno prizna bitcoin bilo kao novac, bilo kao financijsku imovinu, i doda je kao novu, podstavku 6, u stavku 17 članka 30 zakona, i tako explicitno potvrdi da priznaje bitcoin kao financijsku imovinu, možemo zasigurno reći da se ovaj zakon direktno odnosi na bitcoin.
Dok se to ne dogodi, po meni radi se samo o nagađanju i extenzivnom shvaćanju ovog zakona, ali bez službene potvrde da je zaista tako.

Fx1Trader nam je ranije u ovom topicu već prenio vrlo jasno stajalište Hrvatske narodne banke da bitcoin nije ni novac ni financijska imovina, i dok se to ne promijeni, ne vidim kako bi se ovaj zakon mogao odnositi na bitcoin:

ovdje ljepo pise ...

https://www.porezna-uprava.hr/HR_publikacije/Lists/mislenje33/Display.aspx?id=19252

U svom odgovoru URBROJ: 282-810-19-05-14/ST/DO od 27.lipnja 2014. u vezi poslovanja s "bitcoin-om" Hrvatska narodna banka (u daljnjem tekstu: HNB) navodi da "bitcoin" ne potpada niti pod jednu zakonom reguliranu kategoriju sredstava plaćanja te da prema članku 21. Zakona o Hrvatskoj narodnoj banci i članku 4. Zakona o deviznom poslovanju "bitcoin" ne predstavlja novac, niti sredstvo plaćanja u Republici Hrvatskoj niti stranu valutu odnosno strano sredstvo plaćanja. U svom dopisu HNB navodi da obzirom da vrijednost "bitcoin-a" ne odražava vrijednost novca koji je za njega primljen, "bitcoin" ne može biti niti elektronički novac u smislu članka 2. točke 2. Zakona o elektroničkom novcu.


nije novac niti odrazava vrijednost novca ....neznam onda po kojem zakonu porezna moze naplatiti porez na trgovinu bitcoinom
8227  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do Love really exist ? on: June 22, 2017, 11:05:39 AM
Hatred has taken over almost every where in the societies in recent time whether in the  family, Church, Musqe, office, play ground, school, among young and old people. All of this that happen in our societies made me wonder whether LOVE exist. This is because if you check the meaning of love you will agree with me that love doesn't exist anywhere.

I don't agree with you.
Your first creator and parent is God.
He created this world and you because of love.
Your second parents are your father and mother.
You came to this earth as fruit of their love.
I'm sure that you can find many people around you who love you.
Yes, there are many conflicts and problems in our society but don't judge others.
It's much better to see what I can do for others than just criticize others.
Try to be positive and love others and you may start good changes around you.



8228  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is this right time to buy bitcoin?? on: June 22, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
It's difficult to answer this question.
We don't know how much you want to invest and how long you are ready to wait before you withdraw funds.
In my opinion, the best time to invest in bitcoin was last year, when bitcoin was around $250.
Now, when bitcoin price is very high, some profit is still possible, but not so big and no so fast as before.
Still, in the long term, you can buy and hold bitcoin, and expect nice profits in the coming years Smiley
So, if you have long term goal, yes, it's right time to buy bitcoin.
8229  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are You Holding On To Your Bitcoin? on: June 22, 2017, 10:44:42 AM
Honestly, I joined bitcoin a few years ago bit didn't really expect that btc price will jump so high.
So, I already spend some of my btc funds last year, in order to start my own business, also for some HYIP etc.
Now, I feel sorry that I spend it.
I lost money in this other projects but bitcoin continue to rise.
I learned my lesson here.
8230  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: June 20, 2017, 02:25:41 PM
No, how could god let OneCoin exist?
We didn't know were we being created right? Don't be Curious about that. For me i believe in God because there's a bible that can say the truth but other don't believe in Bible. If you don't believe in God, I don't care.

I think that is much better if you try to understand God through your own personal experience, through nature etc. than through book.
Bible is great book, I agree, but in order to more deeply understand our faith we need more personal experience, prayer life etc.
For the most people is difficult to believe in God based on the Bible reading only.
It's better to explain people that we all have higher purpose in life and that after this life we will enter eternal life with our creator, God.
8231  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people believe in religion? on: June 20, 2017, 02:17:08 PM
Because most humans are born religious. Religion is inherited from parents, and parents teach religious teachings. Introduced to the scriptures, all are taught to finally believe. But for those who do not believe it is their life choice. But the risks that exist must be ready to bear.

It's fact that religion is mostly inherited from the parents but such faith is usually only traditional, related to certain religious holidays.
Such religion is part of culture and tradition and has nothing to do with true faith.
People who are looking for a sense of life and a higher purpose, who feel that life is something more, become true believers.
It's also answer why people believe in religion. 
First group of people just follow tradition but second group really trying to live according to their faith.
8232  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will people start moving their savings to Bitcoin in case of a financial crash? on: June 20, 2017, 02:09:57 PM
I don't know about others but I already invested part of my savings in bitcoin.
People are generally skeptic about new things and technology.
I know some people who are afraid to use internet banking or to shop over the internet, so such scenario will not happen soon for the most people, I'm afraid.
Some brave and smart people, like us, are already doing this, investing our savings in bitcoin but we can't know how many of us.


8233  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is BTC for you? on: June 20, 2017, 02:04:24 PM
Bitcoin is everything for me!
Yes, it's true.
A few years ago i joined bitcoin without too much expectations.
It was more like fun in a free time.
Now, I really see great potential with bitcoin.
It's life changing experience.
I even have hope to quit my regular job soon and live based on bitcoin income only Smiley
8234  Other / Politics & Society / Re: When will Religions die? on: June 18, 2017, 12:42:09 PM
Religions made a lot of damage to human beings and our world in general. I'm not talking only about Islam, but every kind of religion, more or less, caused lots of problems.

I'm sure they will end. They won't last forever. But how will they end?

Which could the scenario that leads to their disappearance?

First, people made a lot of damage, not religion.
Second, a lot people, inspired by faith, did many great things for humanity like serving the poor, ill, homeless people etc.
They even opened the hospitals, schools, started charities...
Lastly, if man created religion, it will disappear.
If God created religion, it will last forever.

.I am greatly touched by this reply, and i really salute you for saying that one. It has really the sense and the point on why religions are imbalanced and unfair. People nowadays mistakenly worshipping their religion instead of worshipping God, religion also is one of the factors of discrimination and even serves as racist and thats what people believes.

So you actually agree with that nonsense?

Let's analyse it..

"First, people made a lot of damage, not religion"
Please think of it like this: Religion is your mind. Your mind is your body. Religion has influence on your mind, which has influence on what your body does. Therefore, religion has done a lot of damage.. It's like saying the body of Adolf Hitler was doing all of those bad things.. But no! It was his mind, which put his body into doing it, just like all the religions put people's minds into doing bad things.

"Second, a lot people, inspired by faith, did many great things for humanity like serving the poor, ill, homeless people etc."
A lot of people, not even inspired by faith, did the same.
A lot of people, inspired by faith, did the opposit. They killed alot of people! We now got IS, but in the past there have been many other cases of religion inspiring people to do terrible things.

"Lastly, if man created religion, it will disappear.
If God created religion, it will last forever."

Incorrect. If it was created by humanity, it might disappear. It doesn't have to disappear.
If it was created by god, it might last forever.. What if god thinks the terror of religions has gone too far, so he stops religions?

It's just nonsense  Kiss

You are completely wrong here.
Religion is just institution, organized faith, not state of mind.
A lot people inspired with wish to help others, did many great things for others.
They all have some kind of faith, either in God, goodness, humanity etc.
God is absolute beings and everything He created is absolute, unchanging.
We are not absolute beings, and our rules are laws are not absolute but changeable, relative.
Everything depends of current political or social trend.
Only God never change.
So, only if absolute, unchanging being started something, it will last forever and never change.
If started by changeable, created beings, without absolute values, it will collapse, soon or later.





It's not a state of mind. I said it influences the mind. That's the whole problem with religion.
Yes, people did many great things for others, inspired by religions. But do you really think that their religion was the only reason they would help others? I don't.
Everyone has faith in something, true, but believing in god means you do whatever he says... And that means that if you interpret something wrong, you can do terrible things.

Wait... God is absolute and everything he created is absolute? Then what the hell has he ever made? I haven't seen anything with that description yet.
So God never changes? So basically he hasn't done anything? Whenever you do something, you change. So he has just always been "frozen"?

So if anything God has made is absolute... What has he made? Please tell me! (Besides "religion", because that's a nearly forever waging discussion)
Wink

Regards,
Trump

Religion is just institution created by man, and can't influence our mind.
Only God can.
God is absolute but we aren't. We just have potential for it.
God didn't want to create us are simple robots (someone capably just to follow orders), but He gave us free will, so that we can have choice- follow God or don't follow.
If we truly follow God we find peace, love, eternal life etc.
If we don't follow God, result can be temporary happiness but we loose eternal life.
So, God created us with absolute will, as beings with great potential but it's up to us if we will fulfill our part of responsibility and use our free will in order to become perfect and absolute as our creator- God.
 
8235  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Osama Bin Laden really dead or not? on: June 18, 2017, 09:56:08 AM
I passed by an article which I was intrigued, I know this is not new to most people but what do you think guys? is he really dead and gone forever?

It's just another ''conspiracy theory'' like that Elvis is still alive or that aliens live together with us Smiley
It's just not serious.
Look, if Osama is live, he will surely make some report about it and send to media, in order to make his enemies ridiculous.
Also, American government will damage their reputation with such lie.
So, all facts are obvious and clear, Osama is dead.
8236  Other / Politics & Society / Re: When will Religions die? on: June 18, 2017, 09:50:31 AM
You are completely wrong here.
Religion is just institution, organized faith, not state of mind.
A lot people inspired with wish to help others, did many great things for others.
They all have some kind of faith, either in God, goodness, humanity etc.
God is absolute beings and everything He created is absolute, unchanging.
We are not absolute beings, and our rules are laws are not absolute but changeable, relative.
Everything depends of current political or social trend.
Only God never change.
So, only if absolute, unchanging being started something, it will last forever and never change.
If started by changeable, created beings, without absolute values, it will collapse, soon or later.

I've been thinking, Religion always have the attributes "good deeds", "God, He, Himself", are you all pertaining to just ONE RELIGION? You are not considering other religions? Always mentioning creations and stuffs. In fact there is no problem at all in God, but the real problem is the word RELIGION, because for one, humanity are the ones who have been controlling these religions for thousands of years, haven't you thought of, in that long span of years hasn't the teachings changed, haven't the people who're into this so called religion really and truly dedicated to this. You don't even know the secrets behind each religions, why are you concluding that these religions are the ones shaping people to do good things?

No, I never said that any religion is good by itself.
Also, I don't talk only about one religion but about term religion in general.
Institution can't be good or bad, only people can be good or bad.
So, God is source of goodness, love and life, not religion.
We, as his children, trying to inherit it in our everyday life.
Religion is just organized or institutionalized faith, but people can find God also without religion.

8237  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It's still really hard to use bitcoin as a regular currency on: June 18, 2017, 09:42:22 AM
I don't know for the rest of the world but in my country it's very hard to use bitcoin as a regular currency.
In fact, central bank issued official statement about bitcoin a year ago.
In their opinion, bitcoin is not currency or financial asset and we can't use bitcoin directly for any payment.
If I want to buy something, I first have to exchange bitcoin funds to my local currency.
8238  Other / Politics & Society / Re: When will Religions die? on: June 17, 2017, 06:29:11 PM
Religions made a lot of damage to human beings and our world in general. I'm not talking only about Islam, but every kind of religion, more or less, caused lots of problems.

I'm sure they will end. They won't last forever. But how will they end?

Which could the scenario that leads to their disappearance?

First, people made a lot of damage, not religion.
Second, a lot people, inspired by faith, did many great things for humanity like serving the poor, ill, homeless people etc.
They even opened the hospitals, schools, started charities...
Lastly, if man created religion, it will disappear.
If God created religion, it will last forever.

.I am greatly touched by this reply, and i really salute you for saying that one. It has really the sense and the point on why religions are imbalanced and unfair. People nowadays mistakenly worshipping their religion instead of worshipping God, religion also is one of the factors of discrimination and even serves as racist and thats what people believes.

So you actually agree with that nonsense?

Let's analyse it..

"First, people made a lot of damage, not religion"
Please think of it like this: Religion is your mind. Your mind is your body. Religion has influence on your mind, which has influence on what your body does. Therefore, religion has done a lot of damage.. It's like saying the body of Adolf Hitler was doing all of those bad things.. But no! It was his mind, which put his body into doing it, just like all the religions put people's minds into doing bad things.

"Second, a lot people, inspired by faith, did many great things for humanity like serving the poor, ill, homeless people etc."
A lot of people, not even inspired by faith, did the same.
A lot of people, inspired by faith, did the opposit. They killed alot of people! We now got IS, but in the past there have been many other cases of religion inspiring people to do terrible things.

"Lastly, if man created religion, it will disappear.
If God created religion, it will last forever."

Incorrect. If it was created by humanity, it might disappear. It doesn't have to disappear.
If it was created by god, it might last forever.. What if god thinks the terror of religions has gone too far, so he stops religions?

It's just nonsense  Kiss

You are completely wrong here.
Religion is just institution, organized faith, not state of mind.
A lot people inspired with wish to help others, did many great things for others.
They all have some kind of faith, either in God, goodness, humanity etc.
God is absolute beings and everything He created is absolute, unchanging.
We are not absolute beings, and our rules are laws are not absolute but changeable, relative.
Everything depends of current political or social trend.
Only God never change.
So, only if absolute, unchanging being started something, it will last forever and never change.
If started by changeable, created beings, without absolute values, it will collapse, soon or later.



8239  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: June 17, 2017, 09:11:04 AM
Every religious person says that they experienced god and they talk about different gods, so who is right? Muslims, catholics, hindus? They all say they experienced their god but all gods cant exist, so who is right?

I believe in God.  The God that is the Creator of this world.  The father who gave His only Son that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.  People wants to believe what they want to believe.  We should not worship an idol or any carved stones that other people worships.  That is what I believe.
whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.
You cannot have everlasting life SO DON'T BE SELFISH..

Need to make room so someone else can have ago..
Smile it is your own flesh and blood you die for very nice of you..

And if you have no kids you died to give a stranger a chance at life..
You are really nice  Grin..You really died for others Wink..

God is going to destroy this universe soon. Why? Because it won't allow people to have the eternal life that God wants for them. God will take all those who believe in Him to eternal life in a new universe He is preparing. Come with us if you like.

Cool

I don't agree with you.
God is love and life, our eternal parent.
Parent love his children unconditionally and can't stop love them.
Humans will be changed through God's unconditional and eternal love.
Do you remember story of ''prodigal son'' in the Bible.
If you understand this story, than you understand everything.
You understand God's unconditional love for all of us and that he will never give up from us.

8240  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ireland’s first gay prime minister is formally elected on: June 17, 2017, 09:01:48 AM
It's very interesting news, really.
Ireland is very conservative, catholic country, so I really was shocked with this news.
Just yesterday, another traditional and conservative, orthodox country got a first lesbian prime minister in the history, Serbia.
It become new trend now Smiley
Still, in my opinion, their political program and personal character should be more important then their sexual orientation.
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