How about offering a pricing formula where you are willing to write options?

Nothing prevents people from adding off-chain privacy to Monero. You can do this now by moving coins through exchanges, gambling sites, or other existing intermediaries,  and people can create dedicated centralized or decentralized mixing services if the want (all of these may keep records or be compromised, but so may masternodes) You can easily add off-chain privacy to a coin with on-chain but not vice versa.

I have to admit I'm surprised at the sheer number, although I'd quibble that Bytecoin was not an instamine, it was an outright fabricated blockchain.

Nevertheless, it is interesting and makes me wonder how many of these are accidents vs. intentional. At some point you have to wonder after the 5th or 10th time, if it isn't intentional?

Name names please. I'm curious about this peer group.

What a stupid comment. The idea is that companies are supposed to suck up money like a black hole and never pay back to the shareholders?

You claimed that on Monero controlled threads you can't "state an opinion without being deleted". Yet on the Monero Speculation thread (controlled by me, core team member), you have never to my knowledge stated an opinion and been deleted. I've deleted very few posts ever, for very specific reasons. What's more the main Monero thread is unmoderated.

Logic ftw. Bravo pandher.

You are apparently reading-challenged too.

1. Two possibilities (and also a third, unlikely one) does not constitute a statement of fact, nor an insult.

2. Even if it were an insult, insults are allowed



Okay then, since the third possibility (altruism) is denied, which is it? Talking your book or trolling?

Nice job changing the subject when your previous claim was shown factually false.

Who cares about a claim that something "might" go up 100 000x? If that's the best you've got you should give up trolling. I'll do him one better. It "might" go up 1 000 000x. Such wow!

Not entirely, it could be two possibilities. He may be trolling (and he probably can't help it because trolls are mentally ill, or paid) or he may be talking the price down so he can buy lower.  It is unlikely he has altruistically sharing his insightful analysis the world of poor naive crypto investors.

No comments of yours have been deleted on the monero speculation thread to my recollection, and the main monero thread is unmoderated. Nice try though. Your boss will be proud.

I don't know. Frankly Paypal's merchant integration isn't entirely wonderful either. There are extra steps of logging into paypal's site, selecting a payment method, being annoyed by paypal's advertisements, etc. On the positive side, Paypal does support subscriptions with automatic renewal, and pull methods for upsells. I don't know what added compliance burden those carry if any.

This is all about what is going to work for the customer base you have in mind. As you say, once you attract a lot of customers (or at least enough to attract investment) you can negotiate with the payments industry cartel bloodsuckers for something better.

I look forward to that beer someday.

Stick to working on your useful project and don't waste too much time here.

"submitted 1 year ago"

I don't know how common this is, nor whether these sorts of delays used to be common.

All I can tell you is that I've bought from several different Bitpay merchants over the past year, using three different wallets (one of them Coinbase -- hard to get more "average person" than that) and they've all worked the same way. Bitpay invoice comes up, I pay it, Bitpay shows paid, merchant site shows paid, all within a few seconds.

Because you seem confused about what is going on with Bitcoin commerce when you say things like:


That is not my experience with Bitpay at all, as a customer, doing the sorts of things average people do (i.e. buying stuff).

At best it is a lousy wallet. Yes, I've used it. It's very slow, and unpredictably so (unless the counterparty is a localbitcoin wallet, in which case it is offchain and instant).


I wasn't addressing the average person, I was addressing a programmer who is apparently building some kind of Bitcoin-based commerce system. You might want to try these kinds of things to see what is actually going on in the system instead of relying on your experience with a domain registrar site. Or at least try a bunch of other Bitpay sites. Because I have and they all did zero-conf within a few seconds. Very user-friendly.

It may be that their api is run off a blockchain database and doesn't include unconfirmed tx, I'm not sure. Their web blockchain explorer certainly shows them though, so it would be an odd omission if they don't offer that in their API.

It could also be they are trying to protect merchants from themselves by excluding them from the receive payments api, in that some merchants who accepted zero confirm transactions would be doing something dangerous (depending on the nature of the product).

No that's not how it works at all. They are probably connected to major pools, yes, and this helps them know that the transaction is widely propagated, but you can sniff it off the p2p anywhere, usually within 1-2 seconds. If you run your own node and watch the debug logs you can see the transaction arrive right away.

The risk to the merchant is that the transaction never makes it into a block, but that is not seen by customers for most Bitpay transactions (I'll admit domain registration might be different -- that is not something I've done with bitcoin).


I have no idea what localbitcoins is doing.

Get a real wallet and try again. You realize that if you don't have the private keys you don't have Bitcoin right?

That's not entirely true. The registrar can accept the order with 0-conf, but wait for sufficient confirmation before actually registering the name (delivery). If the registration fails after the payment confirms, you will need to get a refund, but that could happen regardless. You won't get instant domain registration, but there is no good reason to hold up the order process for this.

There are actually very few types of transactions that can't tolerate a short delay between order placement and final delivery.


Sure they do, they see it on the p2p which is the same way miners get the transaction in order to include it in a block (I'm sure you know this so I'm not sure why you are confused about what is going on). The problem you may run into is that localbitcoins doesn't send payments right away. It isn't a very good wallet. There is really nothing wrong with Bitpay in most cases for people using better wallets, at least not in my experience with them, which has been entirely good.