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Honestly, I don't think that bitcoin and Paypal will ever have equal legal status.
As we know, Paypal is legal company in USA, and they have to verify their users, report all transactions to authorities, operate according to the law etc.
Bitcoin is not company, it's decentralized system without any government control.
Because of it, bitcoin swill remain alternative way of payments but many btc users will struggle to legalize their online earnings through bitcoin.
So, they will have to exchange btc funds to real cash.
It's very similar for merchants.
So, I agree that bitcoin will probably become more popular than Paypal but because of legal limitations and money laundry and anti terrorists laws, people will still need to use Paypal.
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Trading is the best source of bitcoin nowadays as investors are seeking for good investment which is good news for traders. Yet it's risy, with the right application of technical analysis, it can be profitable very much( it depends on the way you trade and the amount you trade in making earnings in trading).
Yes i agree trading is one of the good choice to earn bitcoins. And it is good if we are familiar in all aspects of trading. I think trading is not good for newbies , we can try it but we need to take a research first. Even if you are experienced trader still it's very risky. You can win but also loose. It's very difficult to predict btc trends. If you wants more safe ways to earn btc (less profitable, of course) than learn some skills like programming or collect faucets, join sig. campaigns etc. |
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Sve se to da zaobići tako i kupo-prodaja kuće se može u bitcoinima izvesti da bude po zakonu.
Prvo ako misliš kuću kupiti za bitcoin nećes sklapati kupopradajni ugovor
nego darovni ugovor s osobom koja ti namejerava "prodati" kuću
Po zakonu on će ti darovati kuću, ali ćes opet morati plati porez na promet nekretninama u kunama
,a osobi od koje kupuješ kuću ćeš preko treće strance "escrow" platiti u bitcoinima.
Pošto si kuću dobio na dar onda to nebi trebalo biti u nesrazmjeru sa tvojim primanjima
i po toj logici porezna te nebi trebala zajebavati jer kune nikad nisi koristio za transakciju.
Dakle problem su "kune" i "euri" ne bitcoin i crypto valute, jer za njih je to monopoli novac dakle bezvrijedan.
Ako netko misli pokušati ovakvo ''kreativno'' rješenje zabilaženja plaćanja u kunama, i izbjegavanje porezne, neka prvo prouči Zakon o obveznim odnosima, posebno članke 479-498. https://zakon.hr/z/75/Zakon-o-obveznim-odnosimaDosta je to pravno složena materija, a naravno ako postoji pravna sumnja da se radi o ''fiktivnom'' a ne pravom darivanju i netko vas prijavi, mogli biste upasti u vrlo ozbiljne zakonske probleme. |
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Why are you talking about lifespan? I'm talking about medicine in general, of course you can't refute that so you go on a rant about lifespan, what about the other things that I mentioned? You are writing on a computer tanks to science, do you not believe in computers? Evolution is a fact, keep ignoring it but the evidence for it is overwhelming, you just cant accept it for some reason. The age of the earth has been proven countless times and it's also a fact, again you simply ignore it and say it's not true, ''it has only been evidenced by science'' so that's not enough for you? But hey you would rather believe in a book rather than something evidenced by science.
No one knows the radiation in the past you say, you definitely seem extremely skeptic about anything scientific but you easily believe what a book says, makes sense.
Who told you that religion (I don't talk about fanatics here) don't accept evolution? Of course that we accept evolution but just we disagree about origin of universe. Science can't explain what happened before so called ''big bang'' but religion can. Yes, if someone read Bible literally it seems that god created universe in 6 days but in other place is written that for god one day is like thousand years,and thousand years as one day. So 6 days are not literal days but 6 periods of creation. In this sense, there is no difference between science and religion. Religion explain about purpose of life and what happened before creation. Science can't explain it. Purpose of science is to explain God's masterpiece. God used evolution in his creation. |
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The FBI's criminal probe of Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election is increasingly touching on the multiple roles of senior White House adviser Jared Kushner on both the Trump campaign and the Trump transition team. http://editi[Suspicious link removed]/2017/05/25/politics/fbi-russia-investigation-jared-kushner/index.html It's obvious that main target is Trump. He can't claim that everybody else are guilty but just he didn't know anything. He can replace FBI director, and other officials, but can't stop this investigation. President Nixon also tried to use his power to stop investigation about Watergate but without success. His destiny will be the same. |
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Look at this drop man,we almost reached the 3000$ marking and suddenly this shit happen huge down fall in price of bitcoins along with dump if top 100 altcoins in markets
Yes you are right, today the price was droped but in my analisys, it is just correction to test the market the price of bitcoins will be going up again, today is good time to buy bitcoins and hold for long time although there is guarantee will be back but bitcoins is be famous. Bitcoin will always have ups and downs, that's normal. What is more important is the long-term trend and it shows a steady growth. Do you remember vale of btc before 5 years? 3 years? 1 year? I'm sure that btc will reach also $3000 soon. In a week month or year, doesn't matter really. I'm here for longer runs and can wait, I'm not impatient. |
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Nothing, really.
Some of them also don't like Internet, Internet banking or shopping on Internet etc.
Who cares?
For us is important that more merchants accepts bitcoin and that btc price continue to grow.
You can't please everyone.
I don't think it's realistic that everybody will accept bitcoin, even when bitcoin becomes mainstream.
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Meni je osobno ova tema jako interesantna jer se iz nje ne može apsolutno ništa zaključit  Daklem, kupim bitcoine, zarađujem ih, dignem jackpot negdje, rudarim itd. Odem kupim kuću i platim u bitcoinima - a porez platim u kunama na vrijednost kuće. Kupim auto također s bitkoinima. Dođe porezna i traži me da dokažem odakle mi lova za kuću, auto, jer radim za recimo 5-6 hiljki, i nema šanse da sam si to mogao priuštiti bez kredita. Ja kažem da sam kupio s bitkoinima i oni kažu " aha, ok onda, imaš sreće što nisi prvo mijenjao u kune jer bi u tom slučaju platio porez i na mjenjanje bitkoina u kune, ovako si nas lijepo zajebo i ne možemo ti ništa i ne samo to nego ne moraš uopće ni dokazivati odakle ti toliki bitkoini niti nas zanima" jer je: U svom odgovoru URBROJ: 282-810-19-05-14/ST/DO od 27.lipnja 2014. u vezi poslovanja s "bitcoin-om" Hrvatska narodna banka (u daljnjem tekstu: HNB) navodi da "bitcoin" ne potpada niti pod jednu zakonom reguliranu kategoriju sredstava plaćanja te da prema članku 21. Zakona o Hrvatskoj narodnoj banci i članku 4. Zakona o deviznom poslovanju "bitcoin" ne predstavlja novac, niti sredstvo plaćanja u Republici Hrvatskoj niti stranu valutu odnosno strano sredstvo plaćanja. U svom dopisu HNB navodi da obzirom da vrijednost "bitcoin-a" ne odražava vrijednost novca koji je za njega primljen, "bitcoin" ne može biti niti elektronički novac u smislu članka 2. točke 2. Zakona o elektroničkom novcu.
Druga stvar (ovo pitanje je upućeno danijelu) Ako kupim bitkoin za 14000 kuna i prodam ga za 14500, hoću li platiti porez na 500 kuna ili na 14500? Što ako kupim bitkoin za 14000 kuna i prodam ga za 10000 kuna? Jel plaćam porez na izgubljen novac? Da se razumemo, čak i kad bi u nekom fantastičnom scenariju, zaista uspio direktno (bez pretvaranja u kune) kupiti kuću i auto u bitcoinima, po hrvatskim zakonima iznos na kupoprodajnom ugovoru mora biti u kunama, a i porez se plaća u kunama. Jasno da bi ti porezna došla i tražila da dokažeš odakle ti novac za kupnju te imovine. Ti njima moraš dokazati da imaš legalno zarađeni novac za kupovinu kuće a ne obratno. Ako ne možeš dokazati da si na legalan način zaradio novac za kupnju kuće, i da si na to platio porez, oni će ti po svojoj slobodoj procjeni razrezati porez (za neprijavljen prihod), te ćeš još platiti kaznu zbog neplaćanja poreza na tu zaradu. Izjave tipa pa ja sam zaradio bitcoine a to vam je virtualna valuta koju vi ne priznajete, samo će ih nasmijati. Odrezat će ti kaznu i upozoriti te da je zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja u RH kuna, i da kupnju nekretnina ili bilo čega drugog, nije moguće obaviti u bilo čemu drugom. Također, da si dužan imati legalno pokriće u prijavljenim prihodima za sve što posjeduješ, a ako to ne možeš, da si u poreznom prekršaju. Priča o bitcoinima za njih uopće neće biti relevantna, niti će ih to zanimati. Također, kupnja i prodaja bitcoina njih ne zanima. Tek kada te bitcoine zamjeniš za kune i povućeš na svoj račun u banci u RH, tek tada si obvezan to putem JOOPD obrasca u roku od 8 dana prijaviti poreznoj (kao svoju zaradu te platiti predujam poreza, prirez i doprinose). |
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pa naravno da nije egzaktno .. zato i postoje porezni savjetnici , odvjetnici, sudci ..itd zakoni koji su pisani za tocno odredjenu stvar mogu se tumaciti ovako ili onako ..pa imamo savjetnike..odvjetnike .. i idemo u sporove..bla bla a sad zamisli ovo kad nitijedan zakon ne opisuje stvar o kojoj mi pricamo ..to znaci da se stvari jako siroko mogu tumaciti . oni sa vecim svotama bi trebali kontaktirati dobrog poreznog savjetnika ...vjerujem da ce vam ustediti novac  Egzaktne su porezne stope i vrste poreza, prireza i doprinosa koje plaćaš. Za većinu običnih, fizičkih osoba, koji nemaju registriran obrt ili firmu, ili ne rade duže od 6 mjeseci u inozemstvu, obračun poreza će biti isti, jedino se mogu razlikovati kategorije i šifre u prijavi predporeza kroz JOOPD obrazac. Da, točno je da ne postoji posebna kategorija ili šifra u poreznom pravilniku za zaradu na INternetu, no za sve postoji rješenje, pa i za to, a kako je to moj porezni referent riješio imate u mojim prethodnim postovima. Da me je prijavio i u bilo kojoj drugoj kategoriji, iznosi predujma poreza, prireza i doprinosa bi ostali isti i ne bi se mijenjali. Drugi dohodak bi ostao drugi dohodak jer sam stalno zaposlen, prirez bi ostao isti jer živim gdje živim a doprinosi su obvezni za sve. Tako da mi zapravo nije bilo važno pod koju će me šifru i karegoriju porezni referent prijaviti, jer je za mene to nebitno a bitno je samo da prijava prođe kroz sustav i bude odobrena. Taj dio je bio na mojem poreznom referentu da riješi, i on je to riješio. ma sve 5. tebi je problem rjesio tvoj porezni referent , i ti si zadovoljan . ja samo kazem da drugima isti ili slican problem moze rjesiti porezni savjetnik ...mozda jos bolje ovdje ljepo pise ... https://www.porezna-uprava.hr/HR_publikacije/Lists/mislenje33/Display.aspx?id=19252U svom odgovoru URBROJ: 282-810-19-05-14/ST/DO od 27.lipnja 2014. u vezi poslovanja s "bitcoin-om" Hrvatska narodna banka (u daljnjem tekstu: HNB) navodi da "bitcoin" ne potpada niti pod jednu zakonom reguliranu kategoriju sredstava plaćanja te da prema članku 21. Zakona o Hrvatskoj narodnoj banci i članku 4. Zakona o deviznom poslovanju "bitcoin" ne predstavlja novac, niti sredstvo plaćanja u Republici Hrvatskoj niti stranu valutu odnosno strano sredstvo plaćanja. U svom dopisu HNB navodi da obzirom da vrijednost "bitcoin-a" ne odražava vrijednost novca koji je za njega primljen, "bitcoin" ne može biti niti elektronički novac u smislu članka 2. točke 2. Zakona o elektroničkom novcu. nije novac niti odrazava vrijednost novca ....neznam onda po kojem zakonu porezna moze naplatiti porez na trgovinu bitcoinom U ovom topicu već imaš konkretan primjer da je jedna domaća firma, koja se bavi trgovanjem bitcoinom, oslobođena plaćanja PDV-a za kupnju i prodaju bitcoina. Dakle, ima zakona za sve pa i za trgovanje bitcoinom. Država će uvijek naći načina da uzme svoj dio kolača  |
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Hello forum... Do you actually believe the statesment given by the Manchester police force of a terrorism attack? or you think is more like a human error with fireworks or something like that... Police will not start an investigation of the blast zone till who knows why what they are waiting for to comfirm the cause of the explision in the Manchester arena? What do you think?
Yes, it was terrorist attack. It's very sad and difficult to watch all this victims, specially kids. Terrorists really have no mercy toward human life, children, nothing... I hope that eventually this madness will stop but doubt it will happen soon. Internet and social medias became very powerful tool for terrorist organizations, unfortunately. Now, they can find followers on Internet and inspire them for terrorist attacks, even without need for meetings and training. Because of it, it's very difficult to stop it. |
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Barack Obama is the best President in the world because he combines both intelligence, strength,Characters and charisma that held world leaders spellbound and in awe of him through his 8 years in the white house. He is easy going, passionate, articulate and highly diplomatic on issues with global ramifications. He clearly demonstrates what it means and takes to be a leader of the free world, opting for dialogue and diplomacy over force and threats of Bombs. Obama is a classical example of a global other that goes beyond the war narrative. Pulling the US out of the recession hole dug by BUSH and reviving an economy that was on a free fall shows strength, and leadership that is unrivalled. Who do you think is the best world president ?
Do you mean that Obama was the best president in the world? If we talks about former presidents i 20th century, I think that Mandela from S. Africa was the best president. He fight all life against racism in S. Africa, even was in prison most of his lifetime. Finally, he won this great battle, and became first black president in S. Africa. He didn't seek revenge against white people but peace and reconciliation. He became moral vertical and authority, very famous in all world. Because of it, Mandela is the best president for me. |
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It's very simple really.
Most people are tired from many broken promises and lies around them.
They wants to see concrete results and proofs before they decide to move.
I just explain them how much I earned with btc and difference in btc price last year and this year.
In most cases it's enough to convince people.
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Honestly, I didn't believe that btc price will jump so high.
Last year, I invested part of my btc funds in some HYIP projects and lost everything.
Now, when I see btc price I really feel sorry that I didn't just keep this btc funds in my wallet.
My very big mistake.
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pa naravno da nije egzaktno .. zato i postoje porezni savjetnici , odvjetnici, sudci ..itd zakoni koji su pisani za tocno odredjenu stvar mogu se tumaciti ovako ili onako ..pa imamo savjetnike..odvjetnike .. i idemo u sporove..bla bla a sad zamisli ovo kad nitijedan zakon ne opisuje stvar o kojoj mi pricamo ..to znaci da se stvari jako siroko mogu tumaciti . oni sa vecim svotama bi trebali kontaktirati dobrog poreznog savjetnika ...vjerujem da ce vam ustediti novac Egzaktne su porezne stope i vrste poreza, prireza i doprinosa koje plaćaš. Za većinu običnih, fizičkih osoba, koji nemaju registriran obrt ili firmu, ili ne rade duže od 6 mjeseci u inozemstvu, obračun poreza će biti isti, jedino se mogu razlikovati kategorije i šifre u prijavi predporeza kroz JOOPD obrazac. Da, točno je da ne postoji posebna kategorija ili šifra u poreznom pravilniku za zaradu na INternetu, no za sve postoji rješenje, pa i za to, a kako je to moj porezni referent riješio imate u mojim prethodnim postovima. Da me je prijavio i u bilo kojoj drugoj kategoriji, iznosi predujma poreza, prireza i doprinosa bi ostali isti i ne bi se mijenjali. Drugi dohodak bi ostao drugi dohodak jer sam stalno zaposlen, prirez bi ostao isti jer živim gdje živim a doprinosi su obvezni za sve. Tako da mi zapravo nije bilo važno pod koju će me šifru i karegoriju porezni referent prijaviti, jer je za mene to nebitno a bitno je samo da prijava prođe kroz sustav i bude odobrena. Taj dio je bio na mojem poreznom referentu da riješi, i on je to riješio. |
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Nema ovdje nikakve sreće ni lutrije jer je 99% stvari već zadano. Ovisno da li si u stalnom radnom odnosu ili ne (tj. da li se radi o prvom ili drugom dohotku), gdje živiš (zbog visine prireza) te da li ti internetska zarada dolazi kao pasivni prihod ili je rezultat uloženog rada (tj da li se radi o porezu na zaradu ioi kapitalnu dobit), svaki porezni referent će ti dati jednaki izračun. Ne može ti mijenjati ni prirez, ni visinu poreza, ni doprinose... Radi se o unaprijed zadanim veličinama. Ono što je stvar rasprave je pod kojom će te šifrom tj. kategorijom prijaviti, a to sam već detaljno objasnio u prethodnim postovima. No, to je samo stvar pravilnog ispunjavanja JOOPD obrasca ali vrijednosti ostaju iste, neovisno o tome koju šifru upišeš. Već nekoliko godina plaćam porez za internetsku zaradu tako da znam što pričam, ne govorim napamet. |
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Samo jedno pitanje. Znači ako sam ja na trejdu na poloniexu zaradio novac, koji bi ja porez platio? na dohodak, kapitalnu vrijednost ili sta?
Nitko nije siguran 100% i ne može ti dati točne informacije na ovo pitanje. Nazovi 0800 1001. To su ti informacije Porezne Uprave gdje će te uputiti što točno trebaš napraviti. Porez na dohodak je porez na zaradu od rada. Porez na kapitalnu vrijednist je pasivna zarada na financijsku imovinu, dionice, divbidende... Informacije porezne uprave, njihov besplatni info telefon ti daje informacije samo informativnog karaktera, koji ništa pravno ne znače a i informacije mogu biti krive, kao što sam se i osobno uvjerio. Jedinu relevantnu informaciju može ti dati tvoj osobni porezni referent u tvom područnom uredu porezne službe. |
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Just a word of caution if you want to exchange bitcoin with Paypal. My account was put under limitation just because I sold bitcoin and exchanged with Paypal. As we speak, I have not been able withdraw my money from Paypal because of this. Although the limitation is past over 45 days, I can not withdraw because I don't have US bank account.
You probably tried direct exchange paypal/btc and paypal don't like it. It's much better to use service as Virwox and first exchange btc to their own currency and after that to usd and withdraw to paypal. In such way, paypal can't know that your funds came from bitcoin. |
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God exists because you believe.
People believe, because God exists and lets them believe.  Most people are born into religions. They 'believe' because of social pressures. Nothing to do with reality or what is true and what is not. People who actually care about the truth, discover that religion is a bunch of nonsense and become atheists. I believe in God and there's no social pressure that is being put to me. I just know the truth that there's a powerful God. I agree with you. Faith in God is feeling first. We believe in something invisible, omnipresent and omnipotent, our creator and origin of life and love. It's not something we can prove but only show with our actions, our care and love for others. As Paul said in the NT, we know that we are alive because we have love. Other people, atheists, live only for everyday life, money, material things and many of them feel ''empty'' on the end of day. We know that our life is much more. |
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FBI director candidate Lieberman ( 75 year old ) is just one of newest example of Donald Trump new policy - take old guys, preferably at least 70 years or more old, put them in top managing position and go ahead. Donald as 70 years old senior citizen and president will make America great again with old guys team in White House.
Their age is not issue here In my opinion, only qualified people should lead country, doesn't matter their age. After all, president Reagan also was very old but he was very good president. Lieberman have a lot qualities. He is acceptable to both parties, not corrupt and highly experienced. It will be great if both parties can agree about him and move on to other important issues connected with security. It's very important to find and approve new FBI director in Congress as soon as possible. Time is very sensitive now. |
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How do you buy Bitcoins using Paypal? I'm thinking of buying few Bitcoins but I don't have enough funds in my credit card, but I'm having enough on my Paypal account. So I don't know how to buy using PayPal
OK, you have 2 choices here. Do you have someone you trust? If so, ask him if he have enough funds in btc and send him paypal funds. He should send you the same amount of btc. Other way id to use https://www.virwox.com/ service. Here, you csan deposit paypal funds and exchange to their own, SLL currency and after that exchange from sll to btc and withdraw. It's expensive service, with high fees, about 10% but if you don't have other choice, i can recommend them. Tried this service already many times without any problem. |
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