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841  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Signature Campaigns on: July 15, 2023, 01:35:21 AM
A question about Signature Campaigns

I assume the idea is to put a link to a service or crypto casino in your signature, correct?

When someone starts a signature campaign for an online crypto casino, the goal is to attract people to the casino through the signature, am I reasoning correctly?

Thanks a lot.


I think the concept of all promotions is like that.

In general there are two concepts of promotion.
1. Promotion to increase activity / buying and selling within the company

Most companies carry out promotions for this purpose

2. Promotion so that the brand is always known and becomes a habit for everyone

Big companies do this, like google, youtube, facebook, and twitter. Even though almost everyone already knows their brand, they always advertise so that their brand becomes a habit

What's more interesting than the signature campaign is peeking into the wallets of the participants... Grin
842  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Is it possible to create a bitcoin wallet that can recover keys? on: July 15, 2023, 01:20:25 AM
I read and saw a lot of people who forgot their bitcoin wallet keys. Could there be a bitcoin wallet that has a key recovery feature someday?

Yes I know if there is a recovery feature then it definitely requires kyc or credentials like email. On the one hand this might make the account owner not completely anonymous, but it is necessary for double security. What do you think?
843  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: rejeki yang tidak terduga on: July 15, 2023, 01:12:23 AM
Tahu dari mana dia dibanned?, apa sampeyan pakai BPIP extension kayak saya?




Ane udah pasang ekstensi BPIP gan. Sangat membantu, jadi tahu kita berurusan dengan siapa juga. Awalnya saya pikir semua member itu sama. Saat mempelajari trust system ane nemu komentar tentang ekstensi ini dan setelah instal baru paham karena ada keterangannya juga yang DT siap, yang di banned siapa.

Aturan forum ini bukan kepada personal atau resmi harus diterapkan kepada dan untuk pengguna, Di awal title rules forum juga dijelaskan kalau itu Unofficial atau tidak resmi disepakati oleh semua member di sini, termasuk juga jual beli akun, walau tidak larang tapi kan ada juga diakhir kalimat, tidak dianjurkan [1].

Bro, Memiliki akun banyak di sini itu tidak apa-apa, sepanjang tidak menyalahi aturan, semisal abuse.

Jadi, kalau semisal alternative akun sampeyan kena tag, langsung saja PM ke yang ngetag, dan bagaimana cara kamu membujuk supaya diremove, sesimple itu kok.

Forum ini forum terdesentralisasi, baik itu admin atau moderator pun, bahkan tidak bisa ngeremove tag negative oleh member lain.

[1]. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_rules


Weleh weleh.. Jadi pusing loh, satu sisi boleh dan disisi lainnya menolak. tapi ane rasa akan sangat sulit kalo memiliki lebih dari 1 akun gan. Terutama di merit system yang sulit banget dapetnya. Kalo ada yang bisa kelola lebih dari satu akun si keren. Mungkin dia hanya mainan bitcointalk doang kali tanpa ada kegiatan di kehidupan real.

Ini ane dapet tag neutral karena tuduhan yang tidak berdasar. Kayaknya ane berurusan dengan orang yang salah. Mungkin bakal susah ngilanginnya. Tapi kata yang lain tag netral itu ga masalah. jadi ya udah woles aja si Cheesy
844  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Politik Saling Serang/Politik Indentitas on: July 15, 2023, 12:55:56 AM
Wacana untuk membubarkan DPR itu setahu ane sudah ada sejak zaman pemerintahan Gusdur, kala itu presiden Gusdur melihat kalau DPR itu hanya sebuah perkumpulan anak di taman kanak-kanak yang tidak sama sekali bekerja atau membantu memulihkan bangsa. Akan tetapi, karena Dekrit presiden tersebut sangat menggangu dan mengusik kenyamanan mereka, akhirnya Gusdur pun digulingkan dan dibikin isu korupsi Bulog dan brunei gate. Namun ya tdk terbukti, itu hanya sebagai politisasi DPR supaya tetap nyaman di senayan,

Ya betul, alm presiden gusdur adalah salah satu presiden yang suka membubarkan numeklatur negara karena di anggap terlalu korup. Selain DPR, gusdur juga berencana akan membubarkan dinsos karena menurut belia dinsos kala itu menjadi sarangya para koruptor (gatau kalo sekarang). Dan meskipun seolah disampekan dengan candaan sama gusdur, tapi beliau serius tentang pembubaran itu, sehingga banyak elit politik yang "gerah" dan bersekutu untuk menyerang balik beliau dan menjebak dengan kasus bulog gate

Bagaimana mereka bisa jujur, sementara itu ketika menjadi calonpun mereka memenangkan kontestasi dengan cara yang tidak jujur, dengan memakai politik uang, dengan membeli suara kepada pemilihnya.

Dan ketika menjadi anggota DPR ataupun DPRD saat melakukan kunjungan kepada masayarkat atau yang dikenal dengan reses apakah sesuai dengan tujuannya untuk menampung aspirasi  menyampaikan  masyarakat dan menindaklanjuti aspirasi tersebut, Saya rasa tidak reses hanya digunakan untuk ajang kampanye yang dibiayai oleh negara.

Menjadi orang jujur di lingkup elit itu tidak mudah gan, terlalu banyak kepentingan di dalamnya. Bisa jadi anda jujur malah akan membuat anda tersingkir karena terkesan "munafik". Atau kadang kala butuh persekutuan "jahat" untuk bisa membangun kongsi dan kekuatan untuk tujuan tertentu. Memang sulit menurut ane, dalam kancah politik nasional terlalu banyak kepentingan. Hal itu wajar karena tiap institusi memiliki kepentingan masing-masing. Disinilah numeklatur dibuat dengan adanya eksekutip, legislatip, dan yudikatip, agar tiga elemen itu bisa saling mengawasi dan menjaga satu sama lain. Karena sistem demokrasi tahu jika dalam lingkar kekuasaan, orang bisa lupa diri sehingga membuat semua unit akan saling mengawasi dan berhubungan. Hal ini di upayakan agar jika ada orang memiliki niat buruk, minimal dia akan cukup sulit untuk melakukan niatnya itu, paling tidak dia perlu banyak kongsi untuk memuluskan tujuannya

Tapi ane juga meyakini kalo menjadi jujur di atas jabatan itu sulit, apalagi ada begitu banyak uang. mungkin ungkapan bang napi ada benarnya. Kejahatan terjadi bukan karena ada niat pelakunya, tapi karena ada kesempatan. Mungkin bisa jadi sama ketika kita di posisi mereka juga kan tergoda, para elit politik hari ini juga rata-rata mantan aktivis era '98 yang dulu sangat cetar gaungnya saat membela rakyat. Tapi saat mereka sudah menduduki jabatan seolah-olah lupa saat mereka masih menjadi aktipis
845  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [Belajar] Strategi Pemula Biar Tetap Eksis di Sini on: July 15, 2023, 12:41:37 AM
Oh ya berikut ini saya kutipkan salah satu tips dari senior saya (alm):

~snip~
Ane cukup termotivasi melihat pencapaian ente. Semoga ane juga bisa menyusul ke level SR suatu saat..
~snip~
Jangan bilang "semoga", kurang greget.  Grin
Pake target, kalender bisa diambil di postingan om Roy.
Jadi, kumpulin amunisi (baca:merit) sebanyak mungkin agar pencapaian rank sesuai dengan kalender waktu rank-up.

Setidaknya punya target yang bisa dijadikan motivasi. Perihal mudah atau sulitnya mencapai target tersebut yang penting berusaha dulu.


Iya si, bener banget itu om pandu, awalnya ane punya target yang baik, sampe bener-bener tek pelajarin itu sistem merit dan aktivity sampe punya target jumlah merit yang harus di dapat tiap bulannyam, tapi lama-lama loyo gan. Malah suka nimbrung di reputasi bikin dapet tag netral pula. Tapi katanya ga masalah ya dapat tag netral? tapi kok ane agak risih ya dapet tag netral.

Terus tentang merit, kalo berharap bikin posting bagus, mikir serius banget biar post bagus dan dapat merit, eh ujung-ujungnya zong. Kadang disitu bikin kecewa. Terus di postingan yang menurut ane biasa aja malah kadang dapat merit. Tapi kalo memang punya tujuan mendapat merit termasuk pragmatis banget ga si gan?

Ane si kadang semangat sekali, tapi kadang loyo dan paling buka forum buat baca-baca doang. Mungkin karena belum mencicipi manisnya kampanye signature kali ya jadi semangatnya belum bisa on fire.
846  Economy / Reputation / Re: Ratimov - prove yourserlf at least the plagiarism accusation on: July 14, 2023, 05:48:51 PM
So, neutral tags are not neutral. Neutral tags are more likely to be negative. There seems to be a hype thread about neutral tags.

Sorry, not in my capacity to comment here. But I love the swearing you guys do, keep it up
847  Other / Meta / Re: [TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits on: July 14, 2023, 05:39:37 PM
These are the monthly statistics for June 2023 below.



The most generous users giving merits (June 2023)

I'm curious about the merit data sent and received by each member here. So I started learning how to use ddmrddmr tool

I took data for June 2023 starting from June 01 at 12:00 AM - June 30 at 11:59:59 PM



It seems that the data I took is very different, I don't know why it's different
848  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2023, 05:01:40 PM
Blackrock has gone full Bitcoin promoter now that they’ve filled their bags and are getting ready to release their ETF. Their CEO was on TV this morning promoting Bitcoin and saying it was going to, “transcend any one currency.” Those are pretty bullish words. Hang on to your coins for dear life. The Wall Street pump we’ve waited over a decade for is upon us.

Yes man, Blackrock will lift the market sentiment towards bitcoin. Their big names are no longer in doubt among investors. If Blackrock has accumulated a lot of bitcoins, of course they want big profits. Maybe they will pump to a new ATH.

Blackrock CEO, Larry Fink also said that many gold investors were starting to be interested in bitcoin. Larry Fink with the big name Blackrok will also guarantee security for investing in bitcoin.

Quote from: Larry Fink
"As with any new markets, if BlackRock's name's going to be on it, we're going to make sure it's safe and sound and protected"

Source : https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/07/14/blackrock-ceo-larry-fink-talks-up-crypto-demand-from-gold-investors/

849  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Seribuan WNI rela pindah menjadi Warga Negara Singapura setiap tahun on: July 14, 2023, 12:22:16 AM
Dalam beberapa hari terakhir masyarakat Indonesia dikagetkan dengan informasi ada 1.000 WNI yang pindah dan menjadi warga Negara Singapura setiap tahunnya. Menurut pendapat teman - teman, apa yang melatarbelangi mereka rela pindah warga Negara dan meninggalkan tahan leluhurnya Indonesia ? dan jika diantara teman-teman diforum ini mempunyai peluang dan kesempatan pindah ke Singapura, apakah akan ikut pindah ? atau tetap setia ditanah air Indonesia ? Bagaimana pandangan dan jawaban teman-teman akan hal ini.
https://finance.detik.com/berita-ekonomi-bisnis/d-6813641/1000-wnitahun-pindah-jadi-wn-singapura-rata-rata-usia-segini


Kalo menurutku si tidak masalah dan cenderung bagus. Karena semakin banyak warga negara Indonesia yang berdiaspora di negara berbeda maka akan semakin baik untuk masa depan bangsa. Apalagi jika mereka bisa menduduki posisi-posisi pentin di sektoral eknonomo maupun politik. Ane pikir semangat api desa konoha tidak akan padam begitu saja ketika mereka sudah berpindah negara. Jadi ada kemungkinan meskipun sudah pidah negara mereka akan tetap peduli dengan bangsa ini. Tiongkok adalah salah satu negara yang memiliki warna negara yang berdiaspora di sangat banyak negara dan itu tidak membuat tiongkok kehilangan bibit-bibit berkualitasnya. Ane malah curiga jangan-jangan bibit-bibit berkualitas pada mati di kamar mandi korban sabun bolong  Cheesy

Kalo perpindahan mereka karena mengungsi nah ane ga sepakat, karena itu membuktikan kalo negara ini tidak becus untuk mengelola negaranya.
850  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [Belajar] Strategi Pemula Biar Tetap Eksis di Sini on: July 14, 2023, 12:11:13 AM
Untuk pemula kemungkinan malah lebih banyak thread yang belum diketahui materinya. Saran saya sih jika sekiranya memang topiknya tidak kita ketahui sekalipun, toh untuk reply bisa saja dengan bertanya; Contoh ketika kesulitan atau mengalami error pada saat menggunakan wallet BTC tertentu bahkan setelah mempraktekkan apa yang dijabarkan di suatu thread, bisa saja langsung ditanyakan di thread tersebut sehingga user lain bisa membantu. Hal tersebut juga salah satu cara membangun komunikasi dengan user lain yang lebih senior ilmunya.

Ane cocok dengan agan, kalo tahu topiknya bisa ikutan menjawab dan jika tidak paham topiknya bisa bertanya. Tapi disini kebanyakan pada suka menjawab dari pada bertanya, terutama tanya di kolom komentar. Mungkin karena ketika bertanya peluang mendapatkan meritnya sedikit kali..

Kalo liat thread agan @Husna kayaknya itu salah satu thread yang paling hidup. Selalu ada penanya dan penjawab di thread itu. Agan husna juga sangat memahami seluruh aspek tentang perwalletan
851  Economy / Reputation / Re: Should we hand out neutral/neg tags like candy?(open but might be future edits) on: July 14, 2023, 12:02:09 AM
Leaving a negative feedback when someone not directly get scammed is fair as long as the case is legit, the more people leaving negative feedback, the more decentralized the forum is. This would be useful if the scammed user is gone and he not in DT anymore, so with other users' feedback, people still get warned about scam in the past.

Yes, maybe you are right. Even if the person is not directly involved in the fraud, there must be someone who is truly deceived and provides clear evidence of his fraudulent actions. If not then it's not fair. In this forum, getting positive tags is very difficult and negative tags are very easy. That's an imbalance.

Neutral tags also do not mean neutral. I just found out that actmyname tags will prevent members from participating in @icopress signature campaigns, so actmyname's neutral tags are negative.

So it's true said yahoo. Neutral tags are given out like candy, regardless of the consequences...
852  Economy / Reputation / Re: hugeblack made false accusations against me. on: July 12, 2023, 03:20:36 PM
I would ask how someone such as a newbie account created a few months ago is going that deep in to the historical issues of the forum and is more aware about the political ongoings of the forum rather than of Bitcoin itself (as his posts indicate).

You mean it's me?

Yes, you have the right to investigate my account, but I will ask for your promise, if there is no evidence then you must remove the neutral tag you provided. Wink


As for deadsea33, I believe this account has changed hands. If it was the original owner, he would hide because of his suspicious past and dare not complain about the neutral tag because even if he had a neutral tag, he could still join the signature campaign.
853  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: rejeki yang tidak terduga on: July 12, 2023, 03:09:44 PM
Sekarang ini kalau cuma 1 akun tidak cukup, karena inflasi, pengangguran, dan resesi membuat perekonomian makin mencekik. Rate di bawah $100 cukup apa, apa lagi di luar negeri, di Indonesia aja kurang, apa lagi penghasilannya cuma dari situ, pasti akan berupaya untuk bikin akun sebanyak-banyaknya untuk mencukupi kebutuhan hidup.

Sebenernya ane bingung dengan peraturan di forum ini, setau ane awalnya memang boleh ketika memiliki akun lainnya, tetapi para DT menandai para alt akun dan seolah sangat menentang adanya alt. Nah sementara timelord juga punya alt, jadi sebenarnya gimana si gan? semakin saya coba memahami pertauran disini membuat ane makin bingung

Ane liat ada banyak kontradiksi, termasuk penjualan akun juga di forum dibolehin, sama DT dilarang.
854  Economy / Speculation / Re: The ideal price of bitcoin is $557,714.00 on: July 12, 2023, 03:03:05 PM
Let's say that these calculations of yours are more fun/informative than serious thinking, because no matter how you look at things, 8 billion people in that calculation does not make sense, because everyone will never use BTC, even if everyone miraculously has access to the internet, how many are under the age of 10 or under 18?

Of course it's are more for fun/informative than serious thinking. Gold has existed since prehistoric times, gold already has the belief of every human being on earth that gold is a precious metal, while bitcoin is still very young, not even 20 years since it was first launched. So it's not balanced if bitcoin fights the dominance of the gold community.

But gold is always mined every day and the amount will always increase. While bitcoin is decreasing in number from day to day. Nonsense that bitcoins total 21 million. Bitcoin is not up to 21 million, many people have lost their wallet keys

So, for now maybe just for fun, but for the next 50 or 100 years? Who knows
855  Economy / Reputation / Re: Are "we" decide who's gonna be on DT list? on: July 10, 2023, 06:41:45 PM
I am sorry for another topic about DT and Feedback stuff, but its a thing I don't exactly understand

Maybe this thread should be on the meta board
DT system :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5072734.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.0

trust system:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0
856  Economy / Speculation / Re: The ideal price of bitcoin is $557.714,00 on: July 10, 2023, 06:22:38 PM
If i wants to go with your calculations then they are outdated like the data you are using for 2022 and according to that the final multiplication of 11.5 to 557.714 will be around $60k to $65k and believe me. 90% of the crypto users have already made predictions that BTC will cross $70k easily and your calculations proved it right also.

Sorry budd
Maybe you read it wrong, $557.714 is $557k
So $557.714 x 11,5 = $6.413.711 (6M)
857  Economy / Speculation / Re: The ideal price of bitcoin is $557.714,00 on: July 10, 2023, 05:33:06 PM
I don't know about others, but personal I don't consider Bitcoin to be the next generational Gold. Bitcoin has its own uniqueness and things that could possibly make it better than gold which it is already judging by your price calculation, which I really don't understand how come about them. The price of Bitcoin today's has no relationship with Gold I also don't think it should be compared. As Bitcoin is far more valued than Gold which is as a result of increase in demand.

If bitcoin were more valuable than gold then the price of bitcoin would be more than 11.5 x $557,714. That sounds really good

So you compare 1BTC to ...what? And why not one gram, one ounce, one kilo, one pound, one ton of gold?

Besides, that's hardly an indicator.
Litecoin is four times as many as Bitcoin, do they trade at 1/4 price?
Nickel is more abundant than lead, why is it worth ten times more?

Maybe you have free time? i will be happy if you do the math for me. Cool

There is no right or ideal price, the market decided what the price is, and currently, that's 30314!  Cheesy

Besides this has been discussed a hundred times not arriving anywhere:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5399021
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5457116
and of course:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.0

OMG... it turns out that many have discussed it, but they are too lazy to count it
858  Economy / Reputation / Re: Should we hand out neutral/neg tags like candy?(open but might be future edits) on: July 10, 2023, 05:26:19 PM
Conclusion: For me, Neutral can be used against users who are accused with valid evidence and it depends on the case, and if it's a fraud case or one that can harm other people, of course, the negatives are also not in doubt.

However, if the case cannot be proven valid, do not act, wait for the evidence, the evidence collected will be followed up, Neutral or Negative.

Yes I agree with you. But if there are no clear rules among the DTs, of course what is discussed here will evaporate when this thread sinks. I propose a few points which may be worth considering

1. Thread rules
2. The judgment thread can only be opened if the OP has preliminary evidence and preliminary analysis
3. Tread appeals must also bring evidence of the defense
4. Tags are given when the results have been decided (especially red tags)
5. Tags can be temporary (Have a certain period of time / permanent)
6. Neutral tags that don't have proof can be with better language (without judging) like = This account is under surveillance in 30 days
859  Economy / Speculation / The ideal price of bitcoin is $557,714.00 on: July 10, 2023, 05:08:52 PM
What do you think is the ideal bitcoin price?

I've read predictions of people who believe bitcoin will be worth $100,000, some believe bitcoin will reach $1 million

Let's calculate the price of bitcoin when aligned with gold
The total amount of Gold [2016] : 244,000,000 kgs source
The total amount of Bitcoin : 21,000,000 btc

Gold : 244,000,000 kgs x $48,000/kg = $11,712,000,000,000
Bitcoin : 21,000,000 btc x $30,000/btc = $630,000,000,000

If the gold marketcap is divided by the number of bitcoins then:
$11,712,000,000,000 : 21,000,000 btc = $557,714/btc   [Current price of bitcoins $30,000/btc]
 
If the bitcoin marketcap is divided by the number of gold then:
$630,000,000,000 : 244,000,000 kgs = $2,581/kg   [Current price of gold $48,000/kg]

So the current bitcoin price is too cheap or the gold price is too expensive? or should bitcoin price be $557,714 and bitcoin head there?


The number of people on earth = 8,000,000,000 [2022] ~ source

The number of bitcoins divided by the number of people on earth
21.000.000 : 8,000,000,000 = 0.002625 btc

The number of gold divided by the number of people on earth
244.000.000 : 8,000,000,000 = 0.0305 kg

So the amount of bitcoin is only 1/11.5 of the amount of gold. Bitcoins are rarer. Even though we believe bitcoin is gold in the future, So, bitcoin can have a price of 11.5 x $557,714/btc   Cool
860  Economy / Reputation / Re: Should we hand out neutral/neg tags like candy?(open but might be future edits) on: July 10, 2023, 01:43:02 AM
The title is a bit misleading but i'm curious as to everyone's feelings on the issue of accusing people before having proof and handing out a neutral tag while looking for or asking for evidence?

I really appreciate your sensitivity to the reputation board. I see you are one of the DTs who have broad views and wisdom

I think, For a DT must have proof when giving the tag, because the tag of the DT has a big impact.

I've thought of a few things you might need on a reputation board:

1. Thread rules
2. The judgment thread can only be opened if the OP has preliminary evidence and preliminary analysis
3. Tread appeals must also bring evidence of the defense
4. Tags are given when the results have been decided (especially red tags)
5. Tags can be temporary (Have a certain period of time / permanent)
6. Neutral tags that don't have proof can be with better language (without judging) like = This account is under surveillance in 30 days

Then, if there is a tagging mistake, DT also at least apologizes

If someone argues with a DT member, DT members will ~ them. So, there is no point in sharing an unbiased opinion. The only good thing is, If a DT member says, "This is correct, and that is not, " I have to agree with him as an average Joe. The better decision for an average Joe is to ignore the reputation board and start shitposting to make money from the signature campaign (Which I have been doing for the last couple of days).

I think it's useful, though the risk of arguing here has enormous ramifications. DT managed to make this thread so scary. DT also seems unwilling to be criticized, as if they are gods here, and they know everything

Therefore I'm a bit confused, that while reading OP I'm more getting the impression that abusers are getting defended and abuser hunters are getting criticized, while there's not really anything to criticize in how DT is exposing abusers. Quite the opposite: I'm very grateful for acive members exposing shady activities. It's always very time consuming to research and compile the evidence. We also need to spend more Merit on these researches.
DT is giving out trusts only if there's really a reason to leave it. And shitposters complaining about neutral trust are just ridiculous. Most times, complaining will even earn them more accusations, when DT starts digging. Why are these shitposter accounts always involved in so much shady stuff?
You can almost bet on it that when a shitposter complains about a neutral trust, he will end up getting even more neutral trusts or even a negative trust.  Cheesy Cheesy

I think there is no problem if you have proof. Wherever judgments should be based on evidence not assumptions. If you want to prevent buying and selling accounts, then the admin recommends prohibiting this action. Or require using escrow to avoid fraud.

The problem here is, if the accusation have no evidence, as you do, you have a problem with timelord and you sue him in this thread. Do you think only DT should create a complaint thread if it receives a neutral or negative tag without any clear evidence?
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