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May 21, 2013, 11:23:33 AM
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I added a trust system to the marketplace sections. When you're logged in, you'll now see something like this next to Marketplace posts:
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Trust: 1: -0 / +12(3)

The first number is the user's trust score calculated based on how consistently they've received positive feedback. Probably no one will get a score above 0 until the system has been around for at least a month. The second number is the number of reported scams. The third number increases with the number of positive reports, as does the fourth number in parenthesis, though the fourth number is more resistant to abuse. This text changes color depending on the score. Users with a negative score (attainable through scamming) get a red warning attached to their posts.

These scores are taken from your trust network. They are not global scores. You can edit your trust network here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
If your trust depth is set to 2 (the default), you will trust feedback by people you trust, people they trust, and people they trust. I might change the default in the future; we'll see how this works. Your trust list is public.

On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this, but here are some guidelines:
- List all of the trades that you do with people (or at least the major ones). This is not like #bitcoin-otc where you give people just one score.
- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.
- Older ratings count for more, so don't delete old ratings if you can avoid it.
- "Risked BTC" is how much money you could have lost if the person you're rating had turned out to be a scammer. Or, if they are a scammer, it's how much you lost. Use the BTC value at the time of reporting.
- It's OK to post a rating about the person in general, not tied to a specific trade.
- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

If your trust list is totally empty, you trust "DefaultTrust", which includes some trustworthy people that I'll select. But if you add anyone to your trust list, even if they don't trust anyone, DefaultTrust will no longer be considered part of your trust list.

In the near future I'll add these same ratings to PMs.

Tell me if you see any bugs. I didn't test this much yet.

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May 21, 2013, 11:27:00 AM
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Looks pretty cool, however I'm not confident that this will reduce the amount of scams going on. Newbies seems to trust other newbies no matter how fishy it is.

Do you get a notification when someone trusts you?

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May 21, 2013, 11:27:12 AM
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Great addition to the forum.
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May 21, 2013, 11:28:58 AM
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If you give someone trade feedback, you don't trust them automatically, right?

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May 21, 2013, 11:31:57 AM
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Looks pretty cool, however I'm not confident that this will reduce the amount of scams going on. Newbies seems to trust other newbies no matter how fishy it is.

Later, I'm going to change the trust color of people with a trust score of 0 to light red. This will hopefully help.

Do you get a notification when someone trusts you?

No.

If you give someone trade feedback, you don't trust them automatically, right?

Right.

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May 21, 2013, 11:32:12 AM
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Looks pretty cool, however I'm not confident that this will reduce the amount of scams going on. Newbies seems to trust other newbies no matter how fishy it is.

I don't think anything will help those guys, some people just can't be helped.

Kinda like having kids and trying to keep them safe. You can tell em how dumb it is to touch x, but until they try it for themselves they won't really get it.

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May 21, 2013, 11:46:08 AM
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I can't wait till Inaba gets a few dozen negative trade feedback! Cheesy

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May 21, 2013, 11:53:13 AM
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Can't wait to see Pirate's trust rating Grin

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May 21, 2013, 11:53:42 AM
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PM'd with vulnerability Tongue

Can't wait to see Pirate's trust rating Grin

Check Satoshi's

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May 21, 2013, 11:56:11 AM
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Is there any method in it, to avoid people using sock puppets to pump their own rating?

At least a small IP check could do something, like:

IP has to be different from users IP to rate him.

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May 21, 2013, 11:56:51 AM
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Is there any method in it, to avoid people using sock puppets to pump their own rating?

At least a small IP check could do something, like:

IP has to be different from users IP to rate him.
I think the idea is that you only listen to feedback of those who you have trusted.


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May 21, 2013, 12:04:22 PM
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The user for a trust message also seems to link to the user you're looking up, instead of the user who left the feedback.

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May 21, 2013, 12:48:31 PM
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Is there a list of default / theymos trusts?

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May 21, 2013, 01:05:53 PM
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is there a plan to add this to subforum language marketplace sections like:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=35.0 ?



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May 21, 2013, 01:28:09 PM
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I think this is a great idea for the forums and I hope it works out.

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May 21, 2013, 02:04:16 PM
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This could be an issue for people like me that "police" the lending forums.  Am I going to wind up with a large negative trust score just for stopping people from getting scammed?

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May 21, 2013, 02:11:03 PM
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This could be an issue for people like me that "police" the lending forums.  Am I going to wind up with a large negative trust score just for stopping people from getting scammed?

Hope this is not happening, kudos to mlawrence job in the lending subforums

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May 21, 2013, 02:12:56 PM
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I think this is a great idea for the forums and I hope it works out.

I dunno if it is or not, like theymos said, see how it plays out. Imo, like tvsat said, no point in rep threads now, which theymos, tvsat and probably many others including me, agree on. This though, a much cleaner option imo.

Good thinking and great job, theymos.

This could be an issue for people like me that "police" the lending forums.  Am I going to wind up with a large negative trust score just for stopping people from getting scammed?

I would probably say, this is beta or even alpha stage, I am sure theymos and the like minds will come up with something incredibly genius to battle this.
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May 21, 2013, 02:17:57 PM
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This could be an issue for people like me that "police" the lending forums.  Am I going to wind up with a large negative trust score just for stopping people from getting scammed?

I would probably say, this is beta or even alpha stage, I am sure theymos and the like minds will come up with something incredibly genius to battle this.

I think we should make it so only Hero Member's can submit ratings.

I think post count is useless. Just check how many Hero members we had running epic scams in here.

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May 21, 2013, 02:21:11 PM
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I think post count is useless. Just check how many Hero members we had running epic scams in here.

It implies some amount of effort has been put in, it prevents people from using all of their sockpuppets to negative rate people (think of Atlas) and also prevents people from creating accounts just to negative rate people.

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