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8401  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 03, 2019, 11:17:22 AM
What you are advocating for can never be done because, see the rules, the rules are how it is done, the rules say it therefore the rules must stay that way and can never be changed. End of discussion, everyone please move along nothing to see here.

Good, glad to see that we can agree on something, and that the system was initially intended to be highly flexible and open to interpretation -- not nailed down to what a few members believed it should be used for.

Is everyone else seeing this pattern of substituting pith and snark in lieu of any logical arguments completely?

Dude. I'm pointing out that the system was initially designed to be open to interpretation. You're saying it needs to be changed. OK, so changed to _what_ exactly, and on _who's_ authority? You've probably stated your case a hundred times, and nobody cares. Its because you want it changed to what _you_ want. You're like a child who throws a temper tantrum when they can't have their way.
8402  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 03, 2019, 10:33:25 AM
What you are advocating for can never be done because, see the rules, the rules are how it is done, the rules say it therefore the rules must stay that way and can never be changed. End of discussion, everyone please move along nothing to see here.

Good, glad to see that we can agree on something, and that the system was initially intended to be highly flexible and open to interpretation -- not nailed down to what a few members believed it should be used for.
8403  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 03, 2019, 08:13:13 AM


This is completely the opposite for what DT was designed for.

DT can not red trust people for telling the truth and encouraging others to view the evidence to support their claim. The very notion of using red trust this way is disgraceful and although I can tell you have a good mind for presenting a case for anything there is no way for this to be justified.

I would hear your thoughts on the entire matter. This is not at all the same circumstances and accomplishment as your example.

"Absolutely not", is not applicable in this specific case. Unless you agree with the actions of this person.

This is not a grey area like accounts being sold this is totally wrong and against the very principles that DT is supposed to represent.

I know you don't care but you're incorrect in your assumptions about what Trust is to be used for. Trust can be given out for any reason a user sees fit, though theymos discourages leaving ratings based on post quality:

On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this, but here are some guidelines:
- List all of the trades that you do with people (or at least the major ones). This is not like #bitcoin-otc where you give people just one score.
- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.
- Older ratings count for more, so don't delete old ratings if you can avoid it.
- "Risked BTC" is how much money you could have lost if the person you're rating had turned out to be a scammer. Or, if they are a scammer, it's how much you lost. Use the BTC value at the time of reporting.
- It's OK to post a rating about the person in general, not tied to a specific trade.
- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

Any arguments people make about what Trust is supposed to be used for should reference this list first as it is from the OP of when the Trust system was first introduced.
8404  Other / Meta / Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny on: February 02, 2019, 07:22:41 PM
If you look under the words "Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines" sure enough, you'll see this topic.

8405  Economy / Gambling / Re: ✅ DuckDice.io 🎲 Faucet 🎲 Rainbot 🎲 Jackpot 🎲 Wagering Contest 🎲 1%Edge 🎲 on: February 02, 2019, 03:44:20 PM
I tried in last 13days to find is there any Federal Body who handles all Casinos case and all illegal things that happened on Casinos. But, I ended up knowing there is no Centralized body to govern all Online Casino. I believe there should be one Centralized body who give certificates to Online Casinos players after doing proper KYC verified so, he can use that certificate to play on any online Casinos without any Worry for each time KYC and Casinos also don't have to manage all data. And every Casinos should pay few money to That federation to run independently and transprantly. So, this way there will lots of problem will solved.

1. All Bad claim people do his/her children did gambling can be stopped and everything will fair in future no case like appears ever.

2. People creating multiple account on Casinos which trouble Casinos itself Even after using VPN.

3. It will convenient for people to complain case if something unfair happened with them. They can file for investigation instantly there. And Federation can take account that specific Casino immediately.

There are lots of Dirt in each and every field. Just need proper approach but, no open Even dare to come. I say Every Casinos should come together and form a proper federation which will self funded by Casinos to run.

What a weird, weird story. I actually believe you are telling the truth. However,

1. How did your son manage to borrow all of this money from multiple sources without your knowledge? None of these people said anything to you about it? If its several months salary for you I find it hard to believe that he could acquire all of it without you finding out about it.

2. There's no way to prove your son was the one doing the gambling. It's not like you have video of him playing and losing on the site. Therefore, its hard to depend on the whole "minor" aspect as far as your case is concerned.

I feel bad when I lose $50 gambling; it makes me stop and re-evaluate my decisionmaking abilities and priorities. Last time I played a dice site and lost $70 I quit altogether, haven't returned since. So, for a 16 year old to get $6200 worth of loans and then gamble it all away, all without your knowledge? I don't think the casino or the system is the problem here, and neither will anybody who's word is of any consequence. Sorry for your losses.
8406  Economy / Speculation / Re: John McAfee: Bitcoin will go above 500k $ in 3 years on: February 02, 2019, 03:27:13 PM
Technically, it will still be a legit price quote any way you look at it, but how relevant will it be without real volume? Maybe, this is what McAfee had in mind when he promised to eat his dick, i.e. he will simply sell someone a couple satoshi for a few bucks and thus will come unscathed

Ahh - a condition where he can worm his way out of it. Brilliant! Let's hope nobody takes him up on his offer!  Cheesy
8407  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: February 02, 2019, 02:48:07 PM

Man, so much history in this forum.

Do you miss your counterpart notbatman? Don't bother responding, I have you on ignore.
8408  Economy / Speculation / Re: John McAfee: Bitcoin will go above 500k $ in 3 years on: February 02, 2019, 02:31:44 PM
Clock is ticking for 'old Johnboy. probably shouldn't have doubled-down on that bet!  Cheesy
8409  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 02, 2019, 12:41:07 PM
What specific task?

I'm going to get back to you about that, don't worry.

Also what if he was not a native speaker. I don't see any examples of exemplary English, I see adequate command of English.

Nope, before the re-awakening his English was master class. Almost perfect by forum standards. I'm going to perform a comparative analysis of the two different time periods when I have some free time.

Neutral trust with a warning the account "may be" changed hands is enough.

I actually agree with you here but if it is proven then the red trust is warranted. This is yet to be determined.
8410  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If you are buying BTC in 2019 because you think it is Bitcoin, you are being foo on: February 02, 2019, 12:32:40 PM

don't forget that, bitcoin cash forked itself and created another shitcoin BITCOIN SV

For real ?  I never heard of it before  .  but thats impossible because  as far as i know ,  only original coins can create their own fork coins  .

Oof... A lot to unpack here.

- BSV is currently the 10th biggest coin by market cap. Kind of surprised you never heard of it or all the bcash fork drama, but I don't hold it against you.

- It's not impossible, it happens all the time.

- ANYBODY can fork ANY coin that is open sourced! I could make a fork of BSV today if I wanted to. Just copy some crap from their GitHub repository to mine, tweak the name of the coin, and voila, fork!
8411  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: February 02, 2019, 11:59:57 AM
This is how they try to mob anyone here who tries to speak in some truth about there manipulative works. This is a clear case of lowering the value of once reputed account, without any prove of it being compressed.

Exactly, they try to force there words and just make the situation more worst for anyone speaking against there agenda. This is how they keep the system monopolized.

When did you stop speaking English?

Sometime between August 2017 and November 2018.

Sure I'm full of ideas...

How about the Bitcoin Shark Tank?

What you do is get 5 Bitcoin investors together to listen to people pitch their ideas. Then those that come begging for Bitcoin will have to explain their idea, show how much they earned so far, and what their projections are for the next year. Then the Bitcoin Sharks will either make an offer or kick them out. Funny thing tho... All those that came begging for money on the 'real' Shark Tank with just an 'idea' got kicked out pretty quickly.

I understand missing their/there occasionally; most of us do it on occasion. But this guy went from having an extremely strong command of the English language (native speaker) to knowing it as a second language. He went from not posting in Meta too often to almost exclusively posting in Meta, and now Reputation because he's involved there (not their). It seems like he was awoken to perform a specific task.
8412  Other / Meta / Re: The clubroom - another radical idea from Jet Cash on: February 01, 2019, 06:58:41 PM
I think the idea could pretty much be accomplished in a single thread, kind of like what the Wall Observer does, except with additional moderators (somehow). Probably should put it in a place where sigs aren't allowed because I admit it does become distracting and a reason for people to post utterly meaningless comments. Then of course, people would have to know how to find it...
8413  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 01, 2019, 06:43:10 PM
WO was a little bullish, which is a bearish sign IMO.

Sounds about right. Partially my fault. I'm going more conservative this time, though I do believe we've found a bottom (last month).

8414  Other / Ivory Tower / Re: Is amusement causing the downfall of society ? on: February 01, 2019, 06:28:28 PM
I definitely think about this very subject from time to time.

Amusement is more or less a byproduct of a very stable and affluent society.

We seemingly have more time to screw around than ever before, now that most (or all) of our basic needs are readily taken care of. Of course I'm not speaking for the entire population of the planet, but if you're here commenting on this forum, chances are things are going somewhere between pretty decent and great for you. So, until we begin to approach Idiocracy-type conditions, I don't think its actually causing a "downfall" of society.

Roger Waters of Pink Floyd tackled the subject in a concept album some years back.



There will always be people motivated and driven to create, produce and succeed -- just look at Roger Waters for instance.
8415  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 01, 2019, 06:12:37 PM

Holy cow, 6.2 on IMDB, not too shabby.

The first review is glowing:

Quote
This masterpiece is nothing short of genius! I swear as God is my witness I honestly can't imagine why I haven't heard this film's praises sung from the day it was released. It melds the earthy, rough-hewn special effects of Doctor Who with the subtle cultural commentary of Orgazmo, and a touch of comic styling a'la Platoon thrown in just for good measure.

There was comic styling in Platoon? Well you learn something new every day. Two things, today.
8416  Other / Meta / Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny on: February 01, 2019, 06:04:00 PM
Posted in the Legal section... That must make it legit.



I voted for #3, of course.
8417  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Venezuela on: February 01, 2019, 01:56:52 PM
Actually the petro was 100% the idea of the Maduro and his administration. The Venezuelan congress wanted nothing to do with it, and I'm betting that once Maduro is removed from power the project will be abandoned. As far as we know he only ended up raising about $250,000 during the NEM petro ICO.
They sacked the original author (it wasn't Maduro's idea, but he bought it) and started another round since October. They have been taking money since then again but the amount is undisclosed. You can still register in their page and they will happily take your bitcoins. Like most ICOs, you will probably lose it all. Perhaps its just a fund to aid their escape...

Right,  I've been following the saga for a while now. I added up all the NEM petros that were initially distributed (but due to the way the tokens were created they are immovable and just sit there in wallets) by the "mosaic" creator address -- at $60 a pop it added up to less than $230k if memory serves me. Maduro's claims that they raised "billions" are backed by absolutely nothing.

Never heard the part about the hack of the dash clone version. The petro that exists now might not even actually exist at all, because as you mentioned, its completely centralized and impossible to interact with its blockchain (there's only 1 web wallet and 1 mobile wallet). One dude in the petro ANN thread actually found some negative account balances in their "block explorer," which again, might not actually be exploring anything.
8418  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambler was being robbed on: February 01, 2019, 11:05:56 AM
I heard the news. But I heard a story from a month ago. How a gambler borrowed a lot and began to rob himself in order to repay the debt.

How do you rob yourself to repay a debt? Sounds like a zero sum game.

Experienced and smart gamblers and professional poker players have a lot of money, which is the reason for the large number of gambling gamblers, it's not that weird.


The problem is you are not reading the OP, I presume, you must be spamming only.

Be smart..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

LOL. His comment didn't even make sense.

In the same vein as the original story, this one was pretty interesting too, from Aug 2017:

http://philippineslifestyle.com/korean-gambler-hanged-himself-after-casino/

Basically a Korean guy hanged himself in a bathroom at the Manila airport because he had just lost $400,000 gambling at casinos and was about to be extradited to Korea on fraud charges. Apparently he was hoping to make back the money he had lost/stolen, but since he didn't, he feared he'd be killed in Korea. Talk about going in over your head!
8419  Economy / Reputation / Re: Evidence that 'efxtrader' account changed hands and is now a typical shitposter. on: February 01, 2019, 09:47:40 AM
I'm on the lookout for high-ranked shitposters with old accounts, because I suspect that some of them have been bought or hacked and have quietly slipped back into the spam megathreads.

I got one for you:

kodtycoon https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=174773

This person was big on spearheading NEM marketing back near its inception, then I was quite surprised to come across one of their posts and see their IQ had dropped about 50 points. They pretty much only use it to apply to sig campaigns these days. I gave them a neutral trust warning that the account had changed hands.
8420  Economy / Reputation / Re: There should be a public general elections on the DTs on: February 01, 2019, 06:25:44 AM
I am just trying to stop people like VINSIN from scamming more people.

If only we had some sort of system where users could leave ratings for other users based on their experiences in dealing with them, and then other forum members could read what they had written, and decide whether or not they wanted to trade with or trust them... Some sort of a "truster system", perhaps... Just thinking out loud.

see, i would prefer this kind of improvement feedback.
Many people, brainstorming on how to improve the system, is better.
Nothing wrong with that right?

Actually I was being sarcastic. My apologies for being too subtle about it.

I am not whining, but trust me even though i got -10, VINSIN will continue to scam more people!
I just want to prevent that from happening even further, but you DT gang up against me,
what can i do?

There's a few things you can do:

1. Start over with a brand new account.
2. Don't trade with somebody who has a deep red trust rating.
3. Use a bit more discretion if you do proceed in future trades, or better yet: don't trade at all, especially when it comes to accounts.
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