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8461  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence on: July 12, 2022, 02:06:30 AM
Well this is something very interesting, and I hope it happens like this, but I think that the main reason why they want the fight to happen is because of the amount of money that is involved there, I don't see that they do it for the pure interest of boxing, I don't think that it be for that, rather the most logical thing is because of the business model, because the big investors are willing to make juicy millionaire bets, and with respect to the trilogy, that Canelo vs. GGG is something that is good is positive, but in my personal opinion I don't see this fight as exciting, because CANELO has faltered a lot, who I see as good for making good fights is the Russian Bivol.

Terence Crawford vs Errol Spence is one of the most awaited fights for several years. It was highly demanded by most boxing fans around the world. Disregarding the money, they will really meet each other no matter what at the end of the line in the Welterweight Division as they are both undefeated. Money is a factor but there's no other way that these fights should not happen. A total of 4 World Titles are at stake here and it's not just about being money.

If this is a non-title match and these two didn't target each other, then it's a money matter fight but it's not. It's even a must-watch for me compared to GGG vs Canelo III where the former is now in his retirement period and the latter just came from an embarrassing loss against Bivol that he even wasn't able to make it a close fight as a heavy favorite to win in that match.

But to get the date of when they will fight - the purse split matters to their respective promoters.
In some cases, the boxers themselves want to fight as soon as possible.
But the delays originate from their promoters, who are not in agreement with their split.
And yes, Crawford vs Spence Jr, this will definitely happen, only the date is yet to be determined.
They will rake huge money, but getting the 4 world titles would be the best to get from this event.

Crawford though doesn't have any promoter as of this time, and he should be representing himself in the trade. Maybe that is the hindrance as they want to make the split in favor of Spence, and as we have been discussing, 60-40. So it depends on how Crawford will look at it. Of course, both have the belts and undefeated and this fight might unification in 147 lbs.

Well, it is no secret to anyone that Spence is gaining sympathy and more fans, which is a very favorable move for him, especially for the entire business model that can be developed based on it, but following this logic we see that Crawford He doesn't have a promoter yet, I don't know how good he is at representing himself, the scopes as a businessman and as an athlete are standards that can be very demanding, and he may neglect one of the two roles, I know there is a lot of speculation about it In my personal opinion, I say that a good promo is needed to get good fights with many chances of success so that it is done as quickly as possible.
8462  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How long do you think the market will take to recover? on: July 11, 2022, 06:45:58 AM
I think it will take 5 more months before we see any hope however there will not be any flashy up moves coming before Mid 2023.
Meanwhile, I wish I had a crystal ball to tell you on what date exactly we will see Bitcoin at $100k but unfortunately, I don't have one.
What I think is that Bitcoin may be in 6 digits after 2025. Let's see how it goes.  Wink

I hope so, I have looked for ways to predict through Wyckoff theory and I am not looking for patterns, because that is not my style of looking for a price, but I have not found something clear, and seeing the volume of some exchanges it is difficult to predict, however I think that the fundamentals have had a great influence, in addition that many investors are very aware of the inflationary levels of the USA and Europe and this makes them doubt and causes panic, but as you say, after 2025 if there must be a change, and that change will hopefully be favorable, although I hope that BTC can reach $100k well before 2025.
8463  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The UEFA Nations League 2020/2021 Discussion Thread on: July 11, 2022, 04:30:50 AM
~snip~
This competition was created with the aim of ending friendly games. Therefore, it is normal for many players to take these games less seriously. As the competition is still very recent, it still doesn't generate much motivation. But with three or four more years of competition, I believe that mentality will change a bit.

I don't think the whole purpose is to completely eliminate friendly games, but to instead provide a more organized structure to all the friendlies that can happen in Europe, where there are many, many great teams.

Friendly matches on top of the Nations League will continue to happen, just not as frequently as before. In a way, this makes friendly matches a bit more interesting, because there are less of them. The Nations League is basically a lower tier tournament compared to the World Cup for example, but it's nice to have so many different teams playing with each other all the time.

These are valid points, however the risks exist in a pronounced way, but what are the risks? I think that the main thing of all is that one of the best players could be injured and cannot go to represent his team in the World Cup and this is something very sad, both for the player and for the team and this has happened in friendly matches and it affects an entire nation enormously, I have seen how this has happened to Colombia, Peru, with some of the best players they have, some if they manage to recover, others not, but I think that for this competition as well as for friendlies in Europe , the players who are stars should take care and not play in order not to run the risk of getting injured.


We were indeed amazed by Hungary's performance when they succeeded in slaughtering the English hosts in front of the public at Wembley Stadium, but for the England national team this is not a tournament that is taken seriously by the three lion squad so this is a natural thing if they have to admit Hungary's superiority because of us. know that they don't take this tournament seriously, especially since it's only a friendly tournament, especially since the England coach himself is trying to find a team strength for the starting line-up ahead of the Qatar world cup next November.
I think that these results of the group of death, because I am also a supporter that it is the group of death, gives a lot to think about, also despite the fact that the English say that this tournament is not so relevant for them because it is considered friendly for some , it is very good preparation for them and to do a good job in the World Cup, I would see it with concern, not hearing the feat of Hungary, but the way the English are playing, with a team when David Beckham and Rooney were there, this was not happening, of that if I am sure, I think that England must again take the reins and be that team that was scary to see them.

I don't think that anytime should care about whether the FIFA tournament is important or not. they should have the mentality to perform really well regardless. And it probably wouldn't have mattered so much if they lost by only 1/2 goals. but they lost by 4-goal deference and were also not able to score even one. And that was also against a team like Hungary. so now if they are trying to play the innocent card, and say that it was not important to them, I am going to say that it is just a bunch of bull shit.

Well, I just limit myself to thinking that this team had many mistakes that will surely be fully reviewed so that they don't happen again, and it may be a game that has marked the team so that a type of attitude of that style does not come out anymore.
8464  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Traders Stop Being Greedy. on: July 10, 2022, 01:41:30 PM
Most traders get too greedy, they deviate from their trading plan and end up with losses.

I have these written on my wall.
-Always use stop loss
-Use Take Profit, don't be greedy
-Stop overtrading
-Start small and grow
Here are the things to look for when dating here, but here is the key to not doing this, there is a mentality here and there, but if they are able to overcome it, they can avoid the possibility of energy loss and if they gain.  It will be seen that traders are likely to suffer losses but here If you can have a good chat from here, then you can have a good amount of talk from here and if a lot of time is wasted here in the hope of making more profit, then the traders here can suffer a lot.

I would like to add that the market trader or speculator in most cases does not maximize his profits and cuts them, just as he keeps hope when he is losing, this means that if we are operating and we are watching the market, if we put a stop to a movement but we see that it has the potential to continue growing, we must move the stop higher, the ideal would be to have the stop and take profit at the same time, but if not, it would be better to maximize profits that way, but some traders leave the market with a profit, but they lose movements, this is a common mistake, vice versa with losses, if I see that the market is coming against me, I cut the loss, that is, I let the stop loss do its thing I work and I don't move it with the hope that it will go up in price.
8465  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do real traders care about bear & bull market? on: July 10, 2022, 05:35:49 AM
The merchants, or traders, or market speculators, what matters to them is to follow the trend or direction that the market takes, a good market speculator does not care if the BTC market goes up or down, what matters is that in based on any direction it takes, it will win, either in the fall the trader will take advantage of that movement perhaps to make operations with leverage and obtain profits, this is the real difference between a trader or market speculator and an investor, because the investor always You will want the price of BTC to always be rising, because it is generating profitability, and everything will be green.
8466  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: If Bitcoin drops to $8k on: July 10, 2022, 02:18:14 AM
The possibility of Bitcoin drop to $8k all the way from $69k is very low, we know Bitcoin is the world's leading cryptocurrency so by that it has a very high volatility, each time it drops, people gets panics and sells off there BTC, when it rises again dey buy at loss prices which isn't suppose to be so but those who understands crypto and have studied Bitcoin knows no matter how it falls, it'll rise again, it fell from $69k  and to $19k, and people are taking advantage of every Single move of it, imagine those who short BTC from $69k to $20k how much profit they'll be on. I'm not saying there's no possibility of it hitting $8k but if it does then it's going to $0 gradually and there's a very strong support at $0 which will skyrocket it upwards. One thing I know is certain. One-day, sometimes Bitcoin will be at $100k+ and we'll still say it's in deep, so as you're holding, also be making profits from the day trade
Bitcoin have dipped in the past months and will continue to dipped because of the high volatility in the market. Bitcoin have breaken all the support and resistance in the structure of technical analysis, experts loses their money in the rapid bearish movement of Bitcoin and some have even withdrawn their money from Bitcoin. In early this month, Bitcoin hits it's ATL price which ranked to $17,588 but presently today it's has climbed to $20k. For Bitcoin to dip to $17k, there's every possiblity that it will still hits $8k in less than no time. We will still be keeping our eyes on Bitcoin as others have a very mindset that it would run down to a $0 while others hope before the end of the year, it would shoots up to a long run of $100k. This space is unpredictable because of the constant bull and bear Market, we are experiencing everytime.
At this time it is very possible that anything could happen for BTC, this is not the time to ensure that BTC will not fall any more, at least I do not see it that way, I am a very optimistic person, but I cannot cover the sun with a finger either and obviously if there is still a war in Ukraine and RUSSIA, there will be no peace, and that peace translates into market instability, and a lot of panic, it can also be said that another possible war is at the gates of China and Taiwan, the danger is not Tawan but that the USA enters the conflict to defend Taiwan and that represents that many countries enter NATO, so while there are those risks of war, it is difficult for the price of BTC to rise calmly.
8467  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Traders paradise on: July 10, 2022, 01:14:10 AM
Before I started cryptocurrency trading I have always hard this friend who is a pro cryptocurrency trader and have always shown me his profits but never told me how long he has been into cryptocurrency trading, but I have known him for crypto trading for close to two years now and in this period I only saw his success stories.

Now I decided to start trading after many persuasion and am beginning to have a rough experience but all the while I have only viewed cryptocurrency trading as an all good venture

Trading is not the same as traditional business, doing trade here in the cryptocurrency is too risky, that is why you need to choose in between to risk your capital or not. If not, that means you are not suitable to stay here in this field business.
Probably, you can only fee paradise , if you are earning here nicely something like that.
Trading is very complex and when we start trading crypto without any preparation or skills it is very risky,
there is a lot to learn before starting to trade and it certainly takes time,
what is clear is that trading is not as easy as some people think, who just want instant profits

For me, the paradise of every trader or market speculator is to know in which direction the market is going so that they can win, if we start to analyze every market speculator, it does not matter if the BTC rises in price or falls in price, the The market speculator puts aside all sentiment towards the currency and sees it only as money, because if the price falls, I am sure that the market speculator makes money on the fall, as well as on the rise, all this is what I think it could be the paradise of a market speculator or trader, to anticipate the movements of the market, just as the famous Jesse Livemore did, he operated on the line of least resistance to guarantee winning.
8468  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Alt coins are About to pump again! on: July 10, 2022, 12:12:43 AM
Right now I don't see it as possible that the alts are about to make a pump, the reason is simple and most people know it, if the BTC doesn't rise in price, hardly any altcoin will, and as we all know the altcoin that ETH is more famous, ETH is a strong currency, which has a very similar behavior to btc, which is logical, no currency could be above BTC, simply because no currency is older than BTC and they do not have a life of their own They also do not represent everything that BTC has gone through, many at one time classified it as a bubble, but it is clear that BTC is very solid despite the fact that it has no backing, therefore of all the altocns I would lean towards ETH and Monero.
8469  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Advice for poor people who wanna get some crypto on: July 09, 2022, 11:23:08 PM
First of all, wanna say hi to everybody.
I searching on the internet in the last 2 week 24/4 about crypto currency and how to multiply your money. I read article’s about people how can get rich, people who can get brokes and a lot of things about that, and to be honest, if it was possible to become rich after night, all people in the world will do that, so basically in my opinion it is lucky, or tips from billionaires who own some crypto etc.

I came there to get some advice from people who really know what crypto it is and how it works.
In the last months, I open an Coinbase account, and I saw that, the application pay me like 20 euro ( free coins) for opening an account. It was so nice. After like 1 month, the app do not give any free cryptocurrency.
My question for you guys it is, beside Coinbase, it is any other application like that, like give you free stuff or something ?

Ps, I think about what you think, a poor guy came there and try to get stuff free, go to work buddy. Ok, it is true, I searching for something free because I have a bad financial status,I was working as an mechanic and I was fire because service closed, and I searching for everything can came. I have 1 baby and I need to put food on the table when I get home Smiley so please, all hate stuff it is not accepted.

Thank you for your time guys, and I’m waiting your reply.
Dan,

Nowadays, it is really not easy to survive at this point of time. Consequently, if you're gonna do some way of earnings here in the cryptocurency you need be more skill full and have knowledge about this crypto space. Also, you must be careful here, don't just get easily believe to any member here in the forum, because you know most of the victim here are the community who are poor and lack of idea in the first place
It is important to always improve knowledge and skills because we will be left behind if we do not do that,
whenever making an important decision to consider first and carefully,
when we are careless then the consequence we have to accept is losing money
For me, the greatest poverty is in the mind, we can be rich in the mind, because if we feed our brain with knowledge, even if we are bankrupt, the only one that can get us out of there is our brain, because it is the one that seeks solutions, and as can we be rich? reading books, but the right books, those people who invest reading what they are looking for, such as investment, market speculation, their brain is activated to be able to act differently than the average, that is, they will see opportunities where others never You will see them, and an ideal path for a person who considers that his economy is bad (he is not poor) should use his knowledge to improve it, investment is an option.
8470  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best time to buy or wait a little bit ? on: July 09, 2022, 09:48:35 PM
Im buying now good amount , seems bottom reached , BUT i will keep 50% in cash in case bitcoin goes down further .

Im planning to buy btc price around: 19500$ at the time of writting .

Its DONE !

keep 50% of my money in cash in case it goes more down and get good average to put orders like this :

25% @ 15,000$

25% at 11,000$

will have a good average price




Still the best time to buy enough. Many have invested when Bitcoin was priced at $17.5k.That was the best time to invest They want to invest without having a good time investing yet, they can do it right now.The market can go up at any time so I think it is better to invest in the current market than to wait for the market to go down.

I have already said it before, it is a good time to buy as long as the money knows how to handle it, it is nice to buy in each dip, but since we do not know if it will go down more or go up in price, it is always better to assume that we are in the worst of the cases (falling) which is good to take into account that it must be bought gradually to take advantage of each dip, of course this is my way of thinking, it is difficult sometimes to deal with volatility and world events, pandemic, wars, all this affects the speculative markets and obviously the BTC market that does not go unnoticed by anyone.
8471  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: waiting to buy lower? on: July 09, 2022, 07:19:15 PM
Most people are of many emotions, I agree with the opinion that when BTC is very high, people buy, they do not care about the price, they buy the same because they think they will have profits quickly, but the rich, the millionaires never buy expensive, and those who do it are very likely to lose, it is for this reason that I always analyze the BTC market using the Wyckoff theory, it allows me to see what stage of the market we are in, because it is never good to buy in the distribution stage, and In the short term, it could be said that this has happened, but in the long term, I would not be able to say whether we will return to the accumulation stage or, therefore, we are in a possible re-accumulation stage, which is very valid, but given the fundamentals of war, I would say that You have to be very careful to buy, it is likely to go down, so it is good to buy later to take advantage of each dip.
8472  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To build your Professionalism on casino on: July 09, 2022, 06:25:16 PM
That's right you mentioned some of the points above, but building character as a professional gambler is not easy even though we already know the general things as mentioned in thread or at several other threads, we will always be faced with emotional when gambling at casino. Except spoortsbook, because spoortsbook requires analysis with some notes or news that we have to think about in make a bet.
Controlling our emotions when it comes to our money is something that is always difficult to do and we see another example of this when it comes to trading, and activity that while very different from gambling also includes putting your money at risk.

When it comes to trading you are supposed to always remain in perfect control of your emotions and trade just based on what the charts are indicating you, however this is incredibly difficult and once people begin trading with their emotions they face huge losses, in a process which is very similar to what happens when people gamble and lose the control over their emotions.
Yes, this is something clear, controlling emotions sounds very easy, but in reality it is very difficult to do it, since sometimes one says that it is controlled but sometimes it is not, this is a bit difficult, it is like in trading, however I consider that when a person is a professional in gambling or trading, he handles an amount equal to or greater than $1M, because it is no longer anything, a movement can lead to a great profit or a great loss, But I know that in the world there are people who manage those amounts of money, that is where I consider them professionals, for me that is the main criterion.
8473  Economy / Gambling / Re: Looking for perfect slot base casino on: July 09, 2022, 04:24:00 PM
I know it will be a hard thing to fine a single game base casino most especially slot base, but some of the few i have seen have great features and loads of benefits most especially for players with high rank accounts. So am thinking if one can find new casinos that offer such services.

Then forget looking at that. Why put yourself in trouble by looking at those sites wherein there are lots of reputable sites that have a variety of slots games. I don't know what's even the advantage of using a site with only slots games compare to those with a variety of games.

Always prioritize the reputation of the site. They almost have the thing that you are looking for. Instead of just reading here, try those sites in actual for you to experience the real deal and legit self-reviews.

For the benefits or perks, you need to manually check these sites and see what suits for you.

Reputation and trust rate are the things that you must check on a site and not focus on a single game. It's a good thing if a reputable casino site is offering multiple games so you'll have multiple choices of features to enjoy. There will never be a reputable casino site that will only focus on one game.
Yes, it is not just a single game, I think it should be everything, for now you have to give a lot of importance to reputation and to have full confidence in a site, in these cases it is as I have said in some previous threads that are similar to this , the forum is a great reference, which makes us see that through reviews and some reviews that indicate the most experts in the profile of the sites, this for me is enough to trust and not trust, the fight against scammers It is 24 hours, however scammers always keep coming out trying to find a way to continue doing misdeeds. In tamo he has said it before, not only 1 game is the one that must be defined, but all complete.

8474  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Are we going to recover or continue to dump? on: July 09, 2022, 02:34:14 PM
What are your current opinions on the cryptocurrency market?
This market is very volatile right? So it's always possible to get one of these and it's just up to you which one comes first. I think it all depends on how traders behave in the market because if the selling pressure is higher than the demand then the price will down again. It's true that there is belief among traders that the market is recovering after bitcoin hit $17.7K a while back, but we never really know if this minor recovery is a confirmation that the low is no longer being touched.

Until now I still believe that the bitcoin price or market cap can still drop lower as long as the bitcoin halving has not occurred. This cycle seems to be repeating itself and this is the reason why I think the price can still correct this year into next year. Lower price than $17.7K are still possible, so don't be greedy and invest what you can afford to lose.
It is good to have an opinion like yours because we cannot ignore that this scenario is very possible, and although the war between Ukraine and Russia is a fundamental factor that affects all speculative markets, it is clear that BTC has been affected, apparently by some investors. they present some panic and the records of btc sales are numerous, however for many this market represents an opportunity to buy, the only thing is that if the market continues to drop in price it is very likely, we have a probably warlike conflict between China and Taiwan, and every drum of war undoubtedly produces falls in the markets, I hope that this scenario does not occur, because if so, the price of btc would fall much more.
8475  Economy / Economics / Re: How can I survive in a place where BTC is restricted? on: July 09, 2022, 01:48:18 PM
If BTC is illegal in your country and you're still using it means your are breaking the laws and also you can be charged for criminal activities. However bitcoin is not something like fiat so we don't have our names linked to the bitcoins until we buy from exchange we completed the KYC so you are going to be in need of no KYC p2p platform to crypto <=> fiat conversion and that's it, you will never be in the radar. Wink
People all around the world continue to use bitcoin. Governments weren't able to make a perfect infrastructure to tax cryptocurrencies. If not, by now majority of the countries would've announced officially that bitcoin is legal within the country. See, the above post shows how a user can make use of bitcoin when the government is watching you. However there is acceptance of bitcoin happening in a slower phase as countries that are against bitcoin in the past are legalizing the usage.

Those countries that ban BTC will end up accepting it and I think the best way to accept it is as most are doing and it is through regulations, it is a very serious way to do it and without them they will look like idiots, because it will make people think that they still have the power, but it is a matter of people beginning to learn (those who do not know) that it can be more anonymous, with wallets, with decentralized exchanges, among other tools, mixers are a fundamental part here, then it is a matter of time for people who do not know about btc to learn and know that there is a very big world in finance and that this alternative economy is much better and gives better opportunities than the traditional one.
8476  Economy / Economics / Re: Economy is so down that only way to save markets stock market also is on: July 09, 2022, 01:15:47 PM
What is happening in the world is a series of fundamentals, that speculative markets are obviously affected by panic, every speculative market no matter how full of bots there are, are managed by humans, and it is normal for a human being to feel fear , panic before these acts and the first thing that is done as an infallible option is to protect money, previously when there was no risk of war, they protected themselves with fiat money, investment in the strongest currency, now the trend is towards taking refuge in gold , of course, those who do it in BTC is not bad, it is a very good option, but they do not see it as a refuge of value, although for the covid-19 those who took refuge in btc obtained profits quickly, I think that investors They don't forget it, so there is a likely option that they will also choose BTC as a temporary refuge.
8477  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do not panic. Everything will get better on: July 09, 2022, 06:30:31 AM
There is no reason to worry about the current bitcoin market dump. Because it won't take long for Bitcoin to pump the market. The market will be fine very soon.
That would take forever if someone didn't know what was going on in the market but for those who know, they know. Bitcoin is for long term investment so it's just appropriate to just hold them for too long and don't mind if the market is down. This won't last long though but someone should understand that it's how the market works and I think panic is normal for someone who doesn't know what will going to happen in the market especially if they are investing big money.
If most people were clear that every time BTC drops in price, that means that at any moment there could be a bullish rally, and that probably means the new state of a possible new ATH, we all know that the new BTC ATH they are very good, some predict the BTC at $100k, others at $150k and I think it can happen, but the only thing that is stopping it is the wars, the Ukraine vs Russia, also the possible war between China and Taiwan, are things that are on the table, but when it happens it will undoubtedly cause a big drop in the speculative markets, including the panicked btc.
8478  Economy / Economics / Re: How would a global economic recession affect Bitcoin's price? on: July 09, 2022, 05:59:53 AM
I think that in the mind of every speculator and investor that crypto has passed that event in their mind, and it is not bad, it is good to be prepared for different eventualities, however in the face of possible wars, and in the face of possible falls that have manifested in the USA and Europe where they have published that they are suffering the worst of all their inflations, if BTC has been ahead, the correlation is not exact, in the short term it is very minimal, but if it has a lot to do with investors, they immediately protect themselves with GOLD, but before anything, investors put everything in fiat money or hard currency, over time they will realize that BTC will turn out to be safer, but it is already a matter of the financial education that each investor has.
8479  Economy / Economics / Re: Regulation seem like the only option left on: July 09, 2022, 04:30:00 AM
If we hear regulations, we will think of rules that will create many limits, there is no more freedom so many developers and even exchange owners don't want to make regulations, and I think this is good, let the laws of nature work and we will see if cryptocurrencies will continue to grow .
I know that the regulations somehow represent being tied to a traditional and control system, it is something that cannot be denied, but in part it helps to enter countries that are very strict, that only like their economy through their local currency, but in the same way when entering, people will be that promoter that will have BTC and crypto, where it is difficult to enter the BTC will achieve it through regulations, it is like making a kind of temporary peace between the enemies of BTC for qeu can be developed in the most difficult systems at an economic level, it is not bad in the same way the BTC and crypto represent money, which for them is high risk, but it is still money.
8480  Economy / Economics / Re: What is the golden rule of investment? on: July 09, 2022, 04:03:51 AM
Before we invest, of course we have to be dyor, all investments that have the opportunity for big profits, then automatically have a high risk, cryptocurrencies are very difficult to guess, and what I have experienced since I invest from 2016 sometimes laugh and sometimes cry.

I think that in any investment the key is in Hodl, that is, waiting as long as necessary until obtaining profits, but we must bear in mind that when investing, a person must know that he does not need that money, not use it, make an account that this money does not exist so that investment can make sense, as a friend says, you have to have a stomach to endure what comes to you, in the books of Warren Buffet, when he chose the stock to invest (after a long time investigating which was the best) he waited 8-10 years to earn and make profits, and this is only in the stock marke, in the crypto market we know that the safest stock or currency is btc, and you don't have to wait so long for it can make a good move.
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