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8521  Economy / Speculation / Re: Google Trends 2011 v 2013: Don't get your hopes up. on: July 07, 2013, 10:34:20 PM
I did not read your analysis but the red line tells me something big is about to happen!
8522  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The man who stopped the motor of the world on: July 07, 2013, 06:16:10 PM
From that extract, I'd love to help or for us to work together. Do you write any less political stuff, maybe fantasy? I'm good at poetry too but bad at starting from a blank canvas :-P

Perhaps you can work with the original author, Ayn Rand.
8523  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you believe is moral? on: July 07, 2013, 06:15:02 PM
Take this quick 10 (or less) question morality survey.

http://kwiksurveys.com/s.asp?sid=9fgng77f80xbtr9177028


Tell us how far you got.

Taxation is theft

Government money is owned by government. Their money, their rules.

If you choose to do stuff with it, for example: earn the right to become the legal "bearer" of some of it, then it's still government money and you still have to play by their rules.

You know those weird laws that prohibit people from burning or deliberately damaging legal tender? (I know at least a few countries have such laws, probably most.) That's because even if you're the rightful bearer, the money still isn't yours!

Saying things like "this is my money" (and the gubment is trying to steal it) is usually intellectual laziness, unless you're claiming that your government is trying to tax the bitcoins you control (or other tokens of some other system of money that they don't own). Then that would be theft.

The government does tax the bitcoins I control. It has been discussed on this forum several times.
8524  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you believe is moral? on: July 07, 2013, 03:54:29 PM
As long as someone in the world or universe is not paying their "fare share" it is an outrage to those who feed power to the government.

You don't need to think it fair for the whole thing to work, that's the beauty of it.  If it helps, think of ethics as the slice of baloney in which i wrap my dog's meds, so he's happy to gulp them down.  I could explain to him why he needs to take them, but the baloney method is simpler & quicker for both of us. Smiley 

But there are fair ways of doing it. People prefer the lazy route of stealing from people though.

The mafia was very efficient in getting their protection money from people. Just think of a few busted knee caps as the baloney around a dog's meds.
8525  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The last time I used bitcoin I..... on: July 07, 2013, 03:22:28 PM
How is buying something on the black market not legitimate?
8526  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you believe is moral? on: July 07, 2013, 01:18:12 AM
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But it's easy to forget the context: private enterprise works within the realm of government and (in the case of democracies) social oversight.

that's why most an-caps don't advocate going down to the bowels of the white house and flipping some Frankensteinian on off switch from on to off. we just want to be left in peace somewhere, on land that we legitimately purchase twice if necessary (once from the land owner and once from the state), to test our theories. If we are wrong and markets can infact only operate within the framework of a state than so be it, we just want one opportunity to empirically test that claim because we believe there are good reasons to believe that it is false.

As long as someone in the world or universe is not paying their "fare share" it is an outrage to those who feed power to the government.
8527  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The private sector can NOT provide a benevolent police/security service [proof] on: July 06, 2013, 10:44:26 PM
Yes, celebrities and rich people never hire private protection because they do not work.
8528  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin Fund for Crisis Actor Investigations on: July 06, 2013, 10:37:08 PM
If it were money to go toward professional private investigators as opposed to giving it to someone to fly to some city with a camera only to have someone say "no comment" then that would be the way to go.
8529  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you believe is moral? on: July 06, 2013, 10:08:00 PM
People who don't want to pay taxes should stop using everything that was funded with taxpayer money. Don't travel on public roads, create your own roads. Don't call the police when you are robbed, pay some private investigator or hoodlum to get what was robbed back. Don't call the fire department when your house is on fire, pay someone to put it down. Don't use the internet, set up your own mesh net, etc.

Otherwise you'd be very hypocritical you want to keep all of your money but don't mind using things which other people payed for yet you refuse to pay for.


Ok. promise not to tax me if I do not use those services?
8530  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you believe is moral? on: July 05, 2013, 09:07:28 PM
I think the fire departments we have today are great, firemen are usually good guys & are in it because they like what they do, i've never seen one act cowardly or nasty (though they do love smashing stuff -- who doesn't?).  I'm sure private FDs would be fine. Smiley

I have no complaints about the government fire departments.

The complaint I have is about the stealing done to pay for them.
8531  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What does Yemen teach us about gun control? on: July 05, 2013, 07:56:21 PM
You've made a good point, that being something along the line that the 2nd is poorly worded, poorly stated or obsolete.  And that the long string of Supreme Court decisions contrary to your opinion are without merit, because you've drawn the fine line of grammar through it all.

How about that...
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I say again:
The original intent of the Second Amendment was lost in 1865.

It was not poorly worded. The intent was exercised. The revolutionaries were snuffed out. Federal control of military power was solidified.

Now we have groups like the NRA fighting for our right to go hunting.
8532  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you believe is moral? on: July 05, 2013, 07:37:58 PM
The problem is it just doesn't scale up well.    

Ya, I guess there are no examples of someone taking their small business and scaling it up into a huge multi national company.

Sure, for providing food services it may work...but a national franchise of fire departments, using their bulk buying power to get things cheaper and reduce costs on automating processes? Impossible.


And I would not consider a population of 128,000 a Norman Rockwell small town.
8533  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Bitcoin Centralizes Profit in the Hands of Miners on: July 05, 2013, 06:30:51 PM
Didn't know we had a RP community here...

There is a large Ron Paul community here.
8534  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you believe is moral? on: July 05, 2013, 05:41:31 PM
I asked google: "who pays private fire departments?"  These are the first results i got for an answer:
1. No pay, no spray: Firefighters let home burn - US news - Life | NBC ...
2. Experiment in Private Fire Protection Fails for a Westchester Village ...
3. Firefighters Let Home Burn After Owners Didn't Pay $75 Protection ...

Either Ronald McDonald or The Hamburglar pay for McDonalds, not sure.  Weird question.
No one suggested that you can't have a privately owned water company -- just drill a well & be your own boss!  You can even sell to your neighbors.  Go nuts.  

TL;DR:  No one is arguing that it is metaphysically impossible to build a road without the help of the government.  It is possible, though it is both historically & increasingly uncommon.

Those no pay no spray fire departments are poorly run. When I lived in a town with a private fire department I received a letter from the local fire department when I moved into my new house. Basically the cost was $20 per month for service or they had a per use fee, if the whole house was on fire the highest fee was $2,000. They stated that my insurance would likely cover that cost. And because the fire department had such a high rating, the highest in the state, I received a discount on my home owner's insurance that was more than the $20/month I would have paid. I opted out of paying figuring that the likelyhood of my house burning down in the next 100 months was pretty low, and my insurance would cover it anyway.

I recall that same town had a private garbage service. While the county next to us had a public garbage service. There was always news of the horrors of their public garbage service while I had one problem with my garbage company (I think they charged me wrong or something) so I dropped them and went with a different garbage company.


Oh, and I throw in McDonalds because I imagine that if restaurants were government run there would be people on here refusing to consider the concept of a single company having tens of thousands of restaurants all over the world. I am surprised that people would allow something as essential as the food we need for survival to be provided by private companies.
8535  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you believe is moral? on: July 05, 2013, 05:29:59 PM
In the US, before income taxes railroads were a private venture,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transport_in_the_United_States#Early_period_.281826-1860.29
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The federal government operated a land grant system between 1855 and 1871, through which new railway companies in the uninhabited West were given millions of acres they could sell or pledge to bondholders. A total of 129 million acres (520,000 km2) were granted to the railroads before the program ended, supplemented by a further 51 million acres (210,000 km2) granted by the states, and by various government subsidies.

Sorta like homesteading...which was a common way of making use of the mass tracts of unused land in the west.

They still have homesteading in Alaska.
8536  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What does Yemen teach us about gun control? on: July 05, 2013, 05:27:04 PM
Excellent! In 1791, we needed a properly working militia, obviously.

Now, please, sir, demonstrate to us how the proliferation of 300 million guns among the populace via a gun supporter's interpretation of The Second Amendment translates to a properly working militia. Switzerland, the U.S. is not. And let it be noted, that in Switzerland, the militia is well regulated by 21st century standards, meaning, regulated, and regulated tightly, by the government.

The original intent of the Second Amendment was lost in 1865.
8537  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What does Yemen teach us about gun control? on: July 05, 2013, 05:01:59 PM
The point of the second amendment is very clear if you read it. In 1791, in the absence of a military, there was a necessity for A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, - and thus - the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.



Of course, the fact that American conservatives usually support the Second Amendment and a standing army is quite ironic.
8538  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you believe is moral? on: July 05, 2013, 04:56:11 PM
Okay, since you seem to like that sentence so much, let me rephrase it for you:
without governments to pay for it, there will be no paved roads.
And since that is practically the same, let me make that into an open question:
Without governments to pay for it, who else will?

Who paid for roads before income taxes? Who paid for the monuments you see in DC? Who paid for the telephone infrastructure? Who paid for the McDonalds franchise? Who pays for private fire departments? Who pays for private water companies?

The State, King, Kaiser, Highborn, Senate.
Monuments in DC? The WM began as a private project with help of the freemasonry and was finished with government given money.
Don't know for your country. In Germany it was the gvmnt.
McDonalds? Seriously?
And again, there are nearly no private fire depts.

In the US, before income taxes railroads were a private venture, roads were state tolls with fees to cross some bridges, the telephone companies quickly set up the telephone network based on the profit they were able to achieve, McDonalds restaurants were put up by private franchises, private fire departments are started by investors and charities, usually by local people that the fire department serves. My local water company was started as a water delivery service much like milk used to be delivered, it grew to the point that it could start piping water to homes until eventually everyone in the local community uses their service. My sewar company is private as well.

The monuments were started mainly from the donations from societies, fraternities, clubs and individuals. Though eventually usually taken over by the government.
8539  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Free State Project - Western States on: July 05, 2013, 04:26:35 PM
I was involved in the Free State Project from the first year, it is not just about picking any random state. It was born out of a study that Jason Sorens did on what happened in Quebec when a small minority was able to take control of the government. He extrapolated the data to come up with the figure that you would need 20,000 activists in a state with less than 2 million people to be able to play a major role in the state government.

From there, 10 states with less than 2 million people were put up for a vote. The first 5,000 people to pledge to the Free State Project were allowed to vote for one of the 10 states.

The results were:
1. New Hampshire
2. Wyoming
3. Montana
4. Idaho
5. Alaska
6. Maine
7. Vermont
8. Delaware
9. South Dakota
10. North Dakota

I recall Wyoming being high on many people's lists because of the large amount of natural resources and wind energy with low cost of living and cheap land. Montana was another good one because of their history of being very self reliant, their large border with Canada (allowing for easy trade if seccession ever occurred) and the vast amount of land allowing for large land purchases. People in Montana were also very welcoming of the Free Staters.

It would have been interesting if they had chosen North Dakota right before the oil boom. But nobody wants to live in North Dakota.
8540  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Bitcoin Centralizes Profit in the Hands of Miners on: July 05, 2013, 04:13:54 PM
Those damned miners and their elite membership. I wish I was born into a family that was allowed to mine but I was not born with such privelidge.

Only the rich can mine, with their flying country to country in their private jets sipping on the blood of extinct animals.

But alas, to join such a wealthy elite is beyond us simple folk. One cannot change their stars.
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