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8541  Economy / Securities / Re: How much interest is reasonable for you? on: September 15, 2016, 05:22:46 AM
How much interest is reasonable and trustworthed for you and you can invest your bitcoins?

For me it's 0-10 % montly
in my opinion if anyone who offers the investment. profit about 10%/month then he will be trustable and we can trust at him easily beacuse with trading anyone can make 10-20% of the trading amount per month ..

I do not think so. There is no business in the world can generate more than 10% income every month.
It possible, lending service would possibly reach that 10% growth on money on monthly basis and also to  trading you could actually reach such percentage  and even more but we are talking  interest here then its possible it depends on the lendor on what percentage would he decide  to put on the borrowed money.
8542  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Make some huge money on: September 15, 2016, 05:16:57 AM
Obvious scam attempt for many reasons, this should be locked.

However OP, if you can provide proof that you make money with sports betting and can give it back to users, I will take back my words. You haven't provided any info about yourself or your company, how long you've been betting, what sport you bet on, etc.

For sure he wont show nothing to us because  betting on sport  would not guarantee win on everyday basis.  He would definitely show no proof  because it already  seen that this is  a  scam. If he  would make money on that way he wont share anyway and make himself rich with that point.
8543  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you accept bitcoin as your salary? on: September 15, 2016, 05:12:25 AM
No. I won't accept bitcoins as my salary but I would like to pay someone bitcoins as their salary.

I think that is not going to be fair if you don't want to accept bitcoins as your salary but you wanted to pay some people bitcoin for their salaries. And I guess you don't want to take the risk in bitcoin. But I know what you feels, because me either I don't want to accept bitcoin as salary but if I work with bitcoin related job that would be fine.

Most of us here  want to avoid on the risk on bitcoins volatility thats why we dont like  to accept  our salary on bitcoin basis since  it would surely affect our  salary amount and also if we fully rely our fixed salary amount then its not advisable to accept bitcoin as our salary.

Well even I, I want to avoid that but I will just going to accept it when I did that if ever I worked with bitcoin. That is why it is really needed because my employer is going to be using bitcoin and I worked for bitcoin so I can't deny if ever the employer will going to pay me with bitcoins. So I will just going to adjust with it.

It depends on the  situation here if your employer   does   adopt bitcoin and used bitcoin as  you salary  then you  cant do  anything  about it but accept and  you are right  we made the adjustments on that.  Recieving bitcoin as  our salary would be  good if we dont  have  a family to raise and we dont  need money badly.
8544  Economy / Economics / Re: How to earn money with bitcoin ? on: September 15, 2016, 05:01:46 AM
Join a signature campaign,start trading,start lending BTC to people
You can also offer a service in the service section and get people pay you BTC for the exact service
Just try something,that's all
I think signature campaign is the most viable job here for individual who does not posses the skills which are in demand in the online world like programming. If you understand bitcoin it would be easy for you to join the campaign available here and it would help you to understand more on the necessary information you need to learn to start a most advance job like trading.
agree with you signature campaign is the most popular way to earning bitcoin at this momen, im sure more than 50% of bitcointalk user do signature campaign.

Yup and its popular only because there is no risk of loosing money and returns are guaranteed on regular basis, and it can even take best care of your basic expenses if you are residing in third world countries.

But the earning is still less than minimum wage in many countries. It is better to do proper work to earn bitcoin.
Many site are offering high amount of bitcoin work online.. if you can be article writer there is someone offering a good amount for every article you made in services section if you are good to make a article you can get earnings high..

Skills on writing would be also good to earn bitcoin here in this forum because there are some  members  do   find these kind of  services. You could actually check anytime  on services section regarding with this matter and also its not only on writing skills but also designing and  devopling , programming skills.
8545  Other / Off-topic / Re: How do I make money with $100 USD BTC on: September 15, 2016, 04:57:19 AM
The high volatility that we are seeing recently, in the altcoins market, makes this a very risky market, but it is one of the few places where there is potential to get high returns, with a low initial investment.

Well alt coins are really the best way to invest of that amount. That is going to be one of the best way to get some good profit because almost a lot of investments today are just hyip's and other scamming tactics. So I guess it is better to invest in trading rather than to fall in the trap of those sweet promises of scamming sites.

Altcoin trading would possibly give you decent amount because the volatility  is high. Agree there are lots of investments  their which are total scam like hyips and ponzis   and you are right its better to  invest on trading since we could somewhat assure  ourselves  that we could possibly gain profits with it.
8546  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: September 15, 2016, 04:44:53 AM
I believe it is better to invest, but only if the investment has good potential and it's not too risky. It's also important to have savings, because you never know when you will need it.

you're right, safety is very important.
I think that is up to us to determine which investment has a great potential, we need to be educated and read all the necessary information on a certain investment we are putting our money, never follow the hype because most of the time it will lead us to be failure with our investment.

Planning and  have enough information about  on investments would  be must  consider first before  we put our money on said investment because  the risk of lossing your money is always there. In my own plan  we must  invest our money and diversify it in able to get profits so that we would able to save more on those  profits that weve made.
8547  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2.5 Years in Bitcoin and still holding. on: September 15, 2016, 04:38:22 AM
That is a pretty long time if you are asking me and I think that is pretty good if you hold your bitcoins so long, on the other hand I think I already had sold mine.
Its hard to keep your bitcoins when the selling price is profitable, I already had this once but not sold them back in the days.

Good to know that you are holding your coins for last 2.5 years. You must have bought the bitcoins at that time for 100$  - 150$ and today if you sell them you can get 4x to 5x profit.
Can't hold bitcoin that long i don't have enough patience to do that waiting till the bitcoin price increase is not possible but there are chance that it will dump again and i think he gain lots of profit already brought bitcoin when bitciin is very cheap and it can afford by anyone else. If there are chance that bitcoin will be cheap again i dont hestitate to buy more and im going to hold too that long till it increase again

That is your opinion, hold the bitcoin always give us profit, now again the time start to going the bitcoin up, so why he sell his all bitcoins? he is lucky because he buy the bitcoin in a cheap price, and now bitcoin never and ever come back in that price. So i suggest him, hold them till you never think that you need money mustly,
you're right,selling without thinking twice is definitely not a wise choice,as I see there's still many possibility that bitcoins price could be rising even higher,even there's dump he won't losing money since the price of bitcoin just higher than when he's buying so definitely no problem to wait till it reach lets say 800$

It really depends  on us on when we would sell our bitcoin because  for sure anyone of us had the  amount targeted   to sell our bitcoin either  on high profit or  small profit as long we are profited on those selling. No one would  sell  bitcoin on cheaper price and  make  him negative profit.
8548  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or Gold? What would you pick? on: September 15, 2016, 04:32:45 AM
I think you could make a better decision considering diversification, because both have potential, but also problems. And one can compensate for the failure of the other.

Well you are right with it and for me it is really an advantage for all investors if you are going to get engage with both of it.

Many are saying gold is better than bitcoin and others do say bitcoin is better. Well we have their own opinion regarding to this kind of topics.

But for me, instead of choosing only one from them. Get an advantage and do both of it, invest in gold and bitcoin.

Getting both investments would  be possible but  it really depends on your budget or money since it would require big money. Thats why people  would only have  to choose one  instead of  getting both . For me   i would  really choose   bitcoin since we could get on small amounts compare to gold.
8549  Economy / Economics / Re: Is silver a good store of value? on: September 15, 2016, 04:25:01 AM
Gold being denser and worth much more by volume means you can hide it much better. You can literally store millions of euros/dollars in a small space. With silver, you need 126 times more space to store the same value.

Example 3 liters of gold, the volume of two 1,5l water bottles => 57,9Kg of gold => 2,5 millions dollars

2,5 millions dollars => 3971Kg of silver => 378 liters of silver. So you need the space of a full bathtub, instead of 2 water bottles.

Well would could actually  compare the  densities of both precious metals  and they really differ. In your computation  i would complete agree that silver   would require more space to store from but for sure  majority of us dont have the capability to invest  millions of dollars with this kind of thing.


However silver is not that precious when compare with gold or bitcoin. Instead of go for the low potential stock He or she can go to invest on such a good potential stock like gold or diamond or bitcoin.

There are really lots of investments to choose from like as you mentioned  but  it really depends   on our money because investing on these things  are no joke we are talking big money here. Bitcoin would be still a good  to choose aside from silver and gold.
8550  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Primedice 100 % win rate on: September 15, 2016, 04:19:47 AM
Another one? This is just the same as this one. The only difference is now the scammer sends the script via email... Not only will it not work, it will also withdraw your balance to the scammer's address. You have been warned! Do not use the script!


The quote below is from the other '100% win rate' thread, and I guarantee this script will steal your balance too!

DO NOT RUN THE SCRIPT!
I'm sure the script is malicious and will steal your balance by withdrawing it.
I will decode the script and edit this post for everyone to see..

Edit: As I said I have decoded the script and you can find it here decoded.
The script will check if you have the minimum amount to withdraw (plus withdraw fees) and will withdraw your balance to this address:

https://blockchain.info/address/1C5f5iCYyQPfQ5X78uP77cJ2CghQ1Zu1Qw

YOU WILL LOSE YOUR BALANCE IF YOU RUN THIS... You have been warned.

Great, thanks for this heads-up. I suspected something was fishy, giving out a script for free.

Anyways, I hope no one downloaded this, as it should be evident that there is no 100% win strategy for dice, unless you exploit the system; mods should lock this thread.

Its too really obvious  about giving a script  for free but a potential and a surely scam attempt to get all your balance on your account.  No one  would really fall for this  scam attempt because these things are already busted   previously. You are right  MOD must locked this thread.
8551  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to quit Gambling for good? on: September 14, 2016, 09:16:19 AM
I definitely agree with you because gambling addiction is a disease and people with no strong control of their emotion should not be involved in gambling, it could be fun for the others but not all people has the ability to accept defeat in gambling, when you cannot accept defeat that is when you keep gambling because you always want to win but it does not happen in real life.
That's true, we cannot control addicted person as simple as that because even themselves not know what they should need to do to for them to quit in gambling. Those people I think needs to be rehabilitate for them to have a professional advice of a Psychiatrist.

but not all city have rehabilitate like you telling us beside that the price i am sure is really expensive. but if its worth to take person that addicted in gambling, then we should take it to that place. the addicted person is really need to be help by other people and i am agree if rehabilitate have to build in every city but with cheap price.

rehabilitation expense  would be no joke and for sure it would be very expensive just like what we saw on drug rehab its really expensive. If we intend to put a gambling addict there for sure it would somehow  heal him on his addiction and would possibly quit in no time. but if we  dont have money to spent on those rehab then it really needs the help of his family and relatives but the most important  the gambling addict himself would be sincere on quiting gambling for good.
8552  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is their any safe methods to gamble? on: September 14, 2016, 09:13:18 AM
There has never been a safe way to gamble and there never will be. Simply because that is what gambling is: An activity where you are taking a risk and thus are gambling with something of value in order to accumulate a profit from taking a chance with that level of risk involved.
True but we can reduce our loss if we follow some strict plans and restrict our bets.
For example if we are loosing 0.05 btc daily and we want to gamble in safe way then we can make a rule to ourself of not depositing more than 0.01 btc in a day and hence we can not loose more.

Exactly, if we can't gamble safely then we gamble into smarter way by reducing the chances of losing. And you can do it alone if you are going to start your capital very low.

And as you are winning in the long run, for example. You must be responsible to save already some percentage of your winnings so that you are going to have secured your money.

Because if you are not going to do that for sure you are going to lose your winnings and as well as your capital.

Even you play smarter on gambling  you could not really avoid on lossing its just affecting on the bank roll that it could sustain a longer period of time  compare to have  no plan at all. Self control would  be a big factor  that would help you on your decision on when to stop and when to bet.
8553  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To Gamble or To Invest? on: September 14, 2016, 09:10:53 AM
For 1btc, I think better to Gamble or to Invest...
find some tipsters here and follow them for some profit 1st...

for me, if i have 1 btc, i will use it to trading rather than gamble or invest, because i want to make more bitcoin with trading and i think for now, there is much of altcoins will gets pump. beside that, i am not good to play gambling and i don't know where to invest beside to lend on market exchange.
If you are going to enter in the lending market I would advise that you are very careful there are a lot of scammers there trying to get your coin, so thread carefully.

I guess lending will not covered under neither trading nor gambling. Moreover lending must be a way of gambling as it has more potential risks. Lending without the proper collateral might result in pure gambling.

lending for me is like investment in future, you should try it. for example, i lending for 0.01 btc in poloniex, i don't care about rate of percentage, i split it into 0.005 and 0.005 and i choose the rate that its on lending rate so my 0.005 is in the top and its not take too long to get my loans active and don't forget to set your days in 2, 5, 7, or 10 days.

from there i don't take too serious about the result,  its work alone while i am trading on market exchange. so if my lending has just ended in 2 days for example, it will renew for itself so i don't worried about to set up like beginning. so far, i can collect until 0.01 btc, but i am forget when i am start.

so i think for me its give me a good profit, and my lending has get paid from trader  Grin

Well lending on poloniex is  also a good way without any thinking about your funds as long  you are awared and do have some other  investment you expect from because  you diversify your money and you could really expect  that there are lots also  profit would come  in no time.
8554  Economy / Speculation / Re: Keep or sell? on: September 14, 2016, 09:08:23 AM
Selling your coins is the best option you could do right now because the price wont be higher after this year he will only get lower and lower so sell your coins now it is possible to get more for it!

why you want us to sell when the market is very stable? lol only a stupid would sell now, we are clearly going to the moon this time, the price is increasing nicely and slowly, both are good thing

Some people just speculate the prices and newbies who already made some profits will get panic and may sell. These are all traders tactics because they can make more money only when prices are more volatile because if prices are more stable than they can't make money everyday.

it is not only the newbie panic selling that creates volatility, there are so many other things.
traders will always buy and sell especially those day traders so this alone will create volatility and there are so many bots on the exchanges that will make decisions for you when price moves they buy or sell and that opens up some room for manipulation which then creates some more volatility.

Correct there are lots of factors does affect the movement on the price of bitcoin. Just like you mentioned on those examples not only just on newbie  panic selling just remember that there are lots  of trader all of the globe which could trade bitcoin and doing  for a short period of time. VOlatility is one of the characteristics of bitcoin hence there are many factors does affect it.
8555  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Account hacked and BTC drained!!! PLEASE HELP!!! on: September 14, 2016, 09:05:37 AM
CASINO WEBSITE
I was in the middle of a session of blackjack when suddenly I get kicked off/booted off the site. I try re-logging several times with no luck. I proceed to start a chat session with a customer service rep. She asked me what my username for the account and I give it to her, she replies with telling me that their system does not recognize it. I then proceed to give her my email address, wallet info and previous transaction I had made. They responded with saying that they have no record of my username, email address or transaction I ever made. I end up giving them detail wallet info and blockchain info. They come back and tell me that my account was hacked, that my username and password were changed and my full balance had been withdrawn. They tell me that my account will be restored but they will be unable to restore my full balance.
PLEASE HELP!!!
What site you're talking about and why you not using forgot password for secure your account for a while at least your password has change. for me it's weird case and if that happened to me when i can't login for two time, i would use forget password.

As he mentioned above he was referring to fortunejack website which is  somewhat unbelievable to happen such thing that account was being simply claimed to be hacked and wasnt recognize by the website. Its quite confusing  hence fortunejack is a reputable  gambling site . For OP just contact their   Support and give them all the details.
8556  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life? on: September 14, 2016, 09:01:42 AM
being happy in gambling will only depend on what kind of a person you are, are you wise or a fool? I personally benefited from gambling once and by that money I opened my business which sustains me to date. I cannot go back to gambling because I know luck comes only ones and I got it. So to me, it fixed my life because I was lucky and used my God given wisdom
Then i can say that you are a wise person then really don't look gambling as your primary source. You are lucky because you win and then you become wise because you used it to grow and not to gamble this one again and might just lose it.
Yeah, he is really a wise person, he got a chance to get a bigger amount from a casino and then he did not prefer to play with them and invest them in a solid business and is getting the profit till now, it is a good lesson for all of those who want to become rich with gambling or in any other field, they should have to grab the opportunity only and have to go forward.
I my self are having problem in controlling my self especially if i  win bigger amount on gambling but the good thing right now is that i realize earlier that i should quit gambling since i am not getting good amount from it.
For me it is good that you realize it as early as you can.
And the good thing is you've learned from your mistakes and experience in your past gambling games.
We can never get good amount in gambling since gambling is just base on our luck.


Well you are right with it, gambling is really a game of luck and if you are going to have bad luck then probably you are just going to lose your money. But when luck comes to you then you are going to win big amount but that only comes very few times only and it's hard to depend with it. That is why gambling is just wrecking lives of people.
I agree, most of the time losing is more often than winning, we may not know when we will should be win or lose but when you enter gambling  there is always a possibility that we can lose and winning is no assurance at all.

Thats why gambling is called  a game of chance since it only relies on your luck and  we wouldnt know on what would be the  results on the next bet. Luck is  the major factor that would help us to be profitable  but  in playing gambling we must really expect more lose than win.
8557  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is this what we called "addictive to gamble"? on: September 14, 2016, 09:00:02 AM
yes i think its called addicted if we are getting lose but we back again next day
we think our money will back to us to play gambling again Lol
It is depend also, if that person is always coming back just to get back what they lose and they are always thinking about that game. Then that person if already addicted, but if that person is come back just for once and then stop for now then I think he can control himself.
and he also know that he is continuously loosing money and still he is helpless to stop gambling then this person is really addicted, and at that stage it becomes too difficult to stop gambling you need a great effort to quit it.
We really need to be mature enough to understand why lots of people become addicted in gambling.
Before we can quit in gambling we should also convince our self that we need to quit as possible as we can.
We gamble because we just wanted and some of us gamble because they really wanted to earn money but the truth is they really losing it all and that is not good. For me gambling is just for fun and not to make money. Addicted person can enjoy gambling, win or lose because I think that is their nature.

not just that you mentioned for someone that is way or life and for some one excitement
no wonder that people say "what happen in Vegas stay in Vegas", personally i never been in Vegas im from Europe and hope that i will go there one day to see this from first hand
That's every gamblers' dream I guess to go to Vegas to experience the real fun in the gambling and to see and feel the hot chicks there. I wish I could go there one day and I have already a lot of plan to do when I go to vegas, anyway I will just wait until I win big parlays on my bets.

that is not "every" gamblers dream. it is the dream of those who can not travel to Las Vegas or travel to US in general just to gamble there. besides gambling in a real casino is harder than gambling online because you will be there and there are so many distractions that will prevent you from thinking and planning clearly so you have a higher chance of losing.
The distraction is good if what will distract you are the beautiful girls in vegas, besides that is just a once in a lifetime opportunity and you are not their to make money but to enjoy once in your life, I would never miss the opportunity if I will be given a chance to go to vegas.

Well beautiful girls are just normal thing if you are a rich person  you could  see those  girls if you want as long you have the money to roam around the world. As long you get used to it you would not  get distracted  anymore to those beautiful girls you mean.  Gambling addiction is a mind disease for me which  you  would play constantly no matter how many losses are you already experiencing.
8558  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do you trade with crypto currency? on: September 14, 2016, 08:57:22 AM
Trading with cryptocurrencys can be easy but it can also be difficult if you dont know how to just simply google and they will tell you how to make your first trade there are allot of tutorials.
I don't see if anything is always easy for to do that, but google is not will giving a reliable information for that and from my experience that will give you the ADC site and just fully with a lot of advertise... and that is very bad...


Yeah trading is risky factor and it's all about trading is how you deals with that. Normally all the people deal the trading like they sell it when the price is high and they buy it when price is low. I use to do with localbitcoins till now.

Well trading is really not as easy to do because you are going to risk your money with it when you are going to buy using your fiat money and convert it to bitcoin and you are going to buy alt coins with the use of it. I would say that is the essential in trading is that you are going to buy at low price and you are going to sell when it is on high price already.

Buy low sell high is  the most common thing when we do trading but we need other information  or learnings  that are essential on our trading career .THose  things that you said are just basics on this career. Altcoin trading is somewhat difficult because there are lots of  coins to choose from there are  potential and there are waste of money coins.
8559  Other / Meta / Re: About constructive post. on: September 14, 2016, 08:55:23 AM
Hi All,
Recently i noticed that every sig. campaign manager want to constructive post before wearing his sig. campaign regular rule one of. can anyone here to help me find out what do mean axactly a constructive post.

Constructive mean its related to the topic and must contribute or help not only to the OP but also to other members  its not neccessary that you would make more lines just to see to them its a constructive one, one line should be enough as long its not out of topic and not a spammy one.
8560  Other / Off-topic / Re: If i give you 10 BTC what will you do? on: September 14, 2016, 08:52:24 AM
I would invest some part of it in trading and rest I will hold it for long term may be say at least for 5 years, as I am sure price would be much higher by then.
I know that I would hold on to them for some time because I am almost sure that they are going to be worth money in the future.
Selling them know would be a waist and I do not really need the money at the moment so I can wait.

It depends on a person and on its  financial state we are different in any ways. Some may have money and   doesnt need to sell their bitcoin  but some people would definitely use it since they need it  for their needs and some would choose  to put it on investments. It really depends on how  we use it. For me i would put up on an investments for sure.
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