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Vircurex is a good exchange. |
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So, seriously, do you want people to stop questioning and just accept that god is the answer to these questions? To stock experimenting, and finding more and more tiny answers to explain the whole part?
That's a logic fail. If God exists, he gave you the observational abilities and made the physics of EVERYTHING convenient for scientific study. You suggest I am against science. That's more fail. I never suggest that. I am urging you and others to COME UP with scientific evidences for what believe is scientific, and you can't do it. Then you call me an enemy of science. Lolol.  Ok, sorry... it was just the "Nice story BRO" followed by your own nice story. What exactly do you want evidence for/against? Evidence supporting the process where unique working living biological systems evolve into existence from basic earth elements without intelligent guidance and intent. |
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So, seriously, do you want people to stop questioning and just accept that god is the answer to these questions? To stock experimenting, and finding more and more tiny answers to explain the whole part?
That's a logic fail. If God exists, he gave you the observational abilities and made the physics of EVERYTHING convenient for scientific study. You suggest I am against science. That's more fail. I never suggest that. I am urging you and others to COME UP with scientific evidences for what believe is scientific, and you can't do it. Then you call me an enemy of science. Lolol. |
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The current religion - god, bible - is a mix of all the good bits from the egyptian gods.
There is a pyramid at the bottom, which contains energy - relating to what was found, 2 thousand years ago near giants ( yes giant humans there is skeletons all over the world ) that are linked to, both the egypt pyra and the bermuda pyra.
The pure function of religion - Lead, Follow & Enslave.
Yes its interesting history, and yes they had make-believe gods, but that hardly proves that God doesn't exist. The pyramids are not that old (about 4000 years according to this reference), and if as you say, the jews stole ideas from the Egyptians to make the Septuagint (first books of the bible) then show some evidence besides overlapping stories. The bible's historical authenticity is very well researched in many fields of study by professionals. You won't do well trying to build a case against it. |
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Science has under no circumstances ever ruled out the possibility of a supernatural creator God. Science cannot tell us anything about the supernatural because science is a method for investigating ONLY the natural (ie physical matter).
Absolutely true. Which makes the supernatural irrelevant. If god, and the supernatural, has no means of being tested scientifically, because it can not affect the natural or the physical in any way, they why even take it into consideration? It would be no more rational for someone to believe in a supernatural god than it would be for the to believe in anything else that's supernatural (e.g. Chtulu, Thor, Santa Claus, etc) Irrelevant to science? While science does work with logic arguments, it cannot be used to test for truth (as a principal) Does that make truth (the principal) irrelevant? No. Therefore the rest of your argument is illogical. If the supernatural is the creator of all things (which God says he is) calling the supernatural irrelevant it is like the pot calling the potter irrelevant. Evolution is a theory and has never been replicated in a laboratory.
You are VERY wrong there. Evolution is constantly created in laboratories. I agree. Macro evolution exists only in creative minds. If scientists created "80-90% of the chemicals and structures needed to form early life", that only furthers the hypothesis that it requires intelligent engineering to bring about. Actually, just about 40 years scientists were only able to create about 20-30% of the chemical structures, so the only thing this furthers is that your god has only 10% of "hypothesis" to hold on to. In another 10 years he'll only have 5%, and in another 10 after that, he'll have no room left. You missed the point. Or maybe you're trolling. The numbers aren't the point. Add to that, scientists never create anything entirely new. They re-use pre-existing elements. Using expensive laboratory equipment, and most importantly, their MINDS. |
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I won't do any searching for you (you can find your own references), but here is how the eye happened:
1) some species developed cells on their skin that were sensitive to light. All they could feel was whether they were in a light or a dark area. There are examples of species living today that have patches of skin sensitive to light. Likely this allows them to hide, and tell if they have hidden themselves well enough.
2) The light sensitive patches progressed to be inside of a small dimple. Species with dimples containing those sensitive cells can survive better than those without, since they can not only feel the light, they can somewhat tell where it's coming from, based on which side of the dimple is lit up
3) The dimples progressively get deeper and deeper, thus giving more precision for feeling where the light comes from
4) Eventually the dimple would form into the best method for telling EXACTLY where the light is coming from, which is a hollow sphere with a pinhole towards the outside. This would mean the direction of the light would leave a precise spot on the inside of that sphere.
5) Next step would be some cells becoming sensitive enough to distinguish shades of that light. Cells being able to differentiate between bright light, dim light, and no light, is being able to "see" in black and white
6) Eventually the pinhole got covered by a membrane that would protect the primitive eye from getting junk inside
7) From there, you have your basic primitive eyeball, with the only improvements needed being the different types of light-sensitive cells that can detect different colors, and the membrane being able to focus the light a bit better to give better resolution images to those cells.
There you go. Your eyeball isn't magic.
COOL STORY BRO,but I didn't ask you to imagine what took place as the eye developed. I asked for references. To science. You don't list any because, as I said earlier, science relies on observation therefore you'll have a tough time finding data on that. Also, your "explanation" completely ignored the processing of optical sensations in the brain, and how the two systems managed to find each other. But of course, you can just make something up and pass that off as science. Furthermore I never said that any existing system is magic, I said evolution requires magic in order to work because it can't rely on any intelligent thought process that is required in order to produce working systems of ANY nature (biological or mechanical). |
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Please write out each step of your reasoning and how you calculated the mathematical odds so that others can make sure there are no errors. I would also like to KNOW the truth, but unfortunately am limited to comparing the plausibility of different explanations using my prior experiences as a guide.
I'll be happy to do that, if you write out the steps evolution took as it created a working eye. I can't find any solid data on that. Include references to peer-reviewed studies.
People who believe in magical cloud-people are, by definition, not rational. The argument for God is, by definition, not rational. Evolution is a well-understood process. Scientists have already created 80-90% of the chemicals and structures needed to form early life simply by replicating the conditions of the early earth. Simple chemistry, no magical cloud-man required.
Human beings are generally irrational idiots.
What you're saying is that anyone who suggests the existence of supernatural power, is irrational. Your call to shut down reason has nothing to do with rationality, its pure religion. Science has under no circumstances ever ruled out the possibility of a supernatural creator God. Science cannot tell us anything about the supernatural because science is a method for investigating ONLY the natural (ie physical matter). Evolution is a theory and has never been replicated in a laboratory. If scientists created "80-90% of the chemicals and structures needed to form early life", that only furthers the hypothesis that it requires intelligent engineering to bring about. Furthermore, they only guess at the conditions of the early earth. There is no science that can tell what the conditions were like, because science relies on observation. I'm sorry you hold such a dim view of your fellow humans. |
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The most magical explanation of all is (the theory of) evolution. The atheist boldy claims "Evolution did it, see, here's the evidence".
Yes, yes but HOW? Evolution is a theory, not a process. It lives in the imagination only. Magic.
I'm not sure what you are asking. What are you seeking an explanation for? Another thing is that the theory of evolution is indeed a magical explanation to most people (ie "sufficently advanced tech is indistinguishable from magic"). Trusting the magical explanations of others is advantageous in complex, specialized societies, which is why we are bred to do it. If there are multiple competing explanations, in the end it boils down to the individual choosing based on a combination of argument from authority and argument from consensus. So the important thing is how to make the choice of authorities and peer groups. I'm not arguing that evolution appears to be magical, i'm saying it HAS to be magical because it is not driven by any reasonable, rational, engineering intelligence. I'm not seeking an explanation, I KNOW evolution can't create a working eye, a perfect heart and circulation system, etc. Its simply a process of reasoning. The mathematical odds are impossible, for random chance (even guided random chance) forming a non-trivial biological system. Yet the claims are not only that evolution does create these systems, but that they work. That's the most magical element of all. |
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why is it that all theists haven't disappeared? they just need to listen to reason to be converted.
Well, there's yer problem, right there. Atheism isn't reasonable or rational. Otherwise atheists would make up the majority. Human beings are generally quite rational. The argument for God is much more rational than the argument against. |
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The ability to trust others when they give magical explanations for things is vestigial trait from childhood that has been extended into adulthood. It is good for a child to possess this trait since they have so much less knowledge of the world than the person telling them what to do and so would not understand more complicated explanations. The process is called neoteny. It is common amongst domesticated animals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeotenyThe most magical explanation of all is (the theory of) evolution. The atheist boldy claims "Evolution did it, see, here's the evidence". Yes, yes but HOW? Evolution is a theory, not a process. It lives in the imagination only. Magic. |
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People have been bred to have the "religious gene", it makes them easier to manipulate.
Where did it come from in the first place? Malicious aliens meddling with DNA? If God exists, obviously he would create in us the ability to appreciate him. Human designers would kill to have this ability in their own creations. |
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If there truly was no God, there would be a vocal majority of people who would testify that their ancestors never told any such stories of creation or God. Where are these people? I cannot recall to mind any society which does not have some form of creation and God legends in their history.
If there were such a society, and there was indeed no God, they would flourish unimpeded by the advantages of not "wasting" time and resources with religion, to dominate the whole world. Eventually eradicating all religious beliefs entirely.
Such a society would be too focused on happily living their lives and trying to make their lives better (like the modern secular countries, and unlike the modern religious countries), NOT trying to dominate others. On the other hand, Christianity/Judaism/Islam wasted a lot of resources trying to figure out how to torture and kill anyone who didn't believe in their crap. So obviously the group that believes in illogical crap that tell them to kill others because a magic sky voice told them to will eradicate the rational society that believes people should be left alone to live however they want. Where is this happy, God-free, advantaged, humanistic society? If what atheism offers is truly better, why is it that all theists haven't disappeared? After all, they just need to listen to reason to be converted. Atheism must not be as reasonable or rational as you suggest. Atheism is estimated to have a following of about 2% of world population overall. The vast minority is telling the majority they aren't rational? Something is wrong with that picture. Why does evolution supposedly insist on keeping the 'religious gene' in place? If evolution has produced its best work in sorting out the ideal creature, why are you arguing against theism? Accept it. It must be good! You believe Islam follows the true God? Painting Christians and Islamist with the same violent brush is extreme. Ignorant at best. There is a God, he allows willful disbelief, and doesn't force anyone. This is what we see in modern society. |
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70 FAHRENHEIT is super cool, your PC must be in a fridge.  70 CELSIUS is a good temp, especially with an OC. 70%  who knows Get GPU-Z to read your GPU's temperature sensors. Its not recommended to mine 24/7 with fan speed at 90%+. Try to keep below 80%. The GPU fan may fail much sooner if you don't. CGMINER is good for setting fans speeds, clock speeds, etc. It is command line app, you'll need to read up on it. |
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I'm afraid they are correct. Modern motherboards are rarely found with an AGP port, so your market will be people with an older PC looking for a crappy video card.
You might get $30 apiece on ebay, if you are very patient.
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They can continue to trade as if they are solvent and nobody can prove they don't have the funds to back up their positions.
They also have the US military/policing power backing up their position. You can foist any amount of crappy currency or ideas on anyone if you have a big enough army. For how long? Even a nuclear arsenal requires wealth to maintain. A slow slide into bankruptcy can accomplish some of the same results as a sudden military strike. See the former USSR. |
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Thanks Foggyb: Daniel made a lot of predictions and was very specific about Jesus. I don't think all of it is kosher with the Vatican, but that besides the point. Thank you.
and to senbonzakura: I tried to Google this, but did not have much success. You'll have to ask an Imam or scholar. I think the author of the article was from Germany.
nighty night.
You're welcome. Although, let me add that a prediction is not the same thing as prophecy. In ancient Israel, if a prophet of God made a short-term 'prediction' that didn't come true, he was stoned to death. |
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Wayne Jackson wrote this:
The prophetical details set forth in Daniel are astounding. If we may paraphrase Newton (in his discussion of the period from Alexander’s death to the reign of Antiochus), there is no historical record so complete, and none so concise and comprehensive, as that given by Daniel. No single writer has related so many circumstances, in such exact order of time, as Daniel foretold them. He, even in prophecy, is more perfect than any single historical account – Greek, Roman or Jewish!
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Great, someone actually knows religion history. I was trying to underline real life aspect in historical sources, not that good on the details myself as I wished for.... Looked op the Book of Daniel. Are you talking about the dreams of Nebukanedser? I only thought it was about the coming of Israel and God saving the Jewish people not very specific on how. Do you have chapter / verse for it?
This is quoted from allaboutthejourney.org. The Book of Daniel was written 500 years before the birth of Jesus. In Chapter 9, Daniel predicts the very day that the Messiah would enter Jerusalem and present himself as king for the first time. The prophecy states that 69 weeks of years (69 x 7 = 483 years) would pass from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah. 3 Since Daniel was written in Babylon during the Jewish captivity after the fall of Jerusalem, this prophecy was based on the Babylonian 360-day calendar. Thus, 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days. According to records found in the Shushan (Susa) Palace, and confirmed in Nehemiah 2:1, the decree to rebuild Jerusalem was issued by the Persian king, Artaxerxes Longimanus, on March 5, 444 BC. Remarkably, 173,880 days later (adjusting for leap years), on March 30, 33 AD, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey (fulfilling the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9).4 Five days later, Jesus was crucified on a Roman cross just outside Jerusalem. (Actually, the form of his execution and even his last words were foretold hundreds of years earlier in Psalm 22.) Three days later, the New Testament accounts declare that Jesus rose from the dead on Easter Sunday, fulfilling numerous other prophecies of the long-awaited Messiah. Here's another good link: http://www.ukapologetics.net/2danieltrue.html |
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Jesus was a Jew and a lot of his ideology and ethics bear resemblance to that. He also had an attitude problem that got him into trouble. So the Christian bible is a story about how to perceive other people with respect and brotherly love (very Jewish). Further it talks about how to say no to oppression and corruption. Very much up my alley.
Jesus manipulated the Jewish leadership into crucifying him, fulfilling the many exact prophecies of Daniel made 400 years earlier. They did not want to do away with Jesus on the Sabbath in order to prevent an uprising, but he forced their hand by revealing the identity of their inside man (Judas). Jesus didn't have an attitude problem, he knew precisely what he was doing, and saying. |
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Im not sure why your arguing the existence of a God with me? I said 1 page back they may or may not be a god and I can see why people could get drawn to either side of the fence.
My issue is with organised Religion, nothing more than a form of control, sure its become more than that now for some, but in essence thats all it is.
It may or may not apply to you, depending if you're on topic or not. See this quote from OP:
I'm an atheist and have the following standpoint:
- All religions are hoaxes, making people belive in non-existing gods.
I believe my points are on topic exactly. |
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