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881  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: November 01, 2023, 03:22:30 AM
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This is really huge news. Australia was never really in the race, due to the huge expenses involved in hosting the event. The 2018 edition hosted by Russia cost the country close to $50 billion, while the 2022 edition in Qatar was even more expensive with a price tag of $250 to $300 billion. Australia (or for that matter any of the other western nations) are not in a position to spend this much amount of money in hosting the tournament. Also, sports events have taken a lower priority in many of the nations. When Japan hosted the 2020 Olympics, there was a lot of criticism from the citizens, regarding the way money is being spent.

wow, indeed.

Saudi Arabia is definitely investing a lot of money in sports lately.

And Australia also recently withdrew the CommonWealth games in Victoria, so the inverse is happening there.

Interesting times ahead.
882  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: November 01, 2023, 03:20:28 AM
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There are a lot of free options out there for the ones that do not have the money to pay for a therapist, they just have to look for them and see what it is available near them.

However this will require a genuine desire to improve and stop gambling, and there are many gamblers that despite their claims when you look at their actions it is clear they do not want to change their ways, and they are just doing this in order to make it seem as if they want to improve, even if this is not really the case.

At the end of the day it has to start from within the person.

If the gambler doesn't want to change, no one will be able to change them.

And if the gambler wants to change, then they should take it one day at a time, and build momentum slowly. Just be slightly better today, and slightly better the next day, and so on. By your own metric. Evaluate where you are, act differently, and see the outcomes the next day. Repeat. Shortly you will see a difference.
883  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: November 01, 2023, 03:18:24 AM
It is easy to make conclusions about gamblers who are addict because they make it very obvious that they cannot do without gambling.Addiction comes the moment you can no longer control yourself about a particular thing.But there are some persons that we see as successful gamblers,they are termed successful because they have had the good and bad experience about gambling,and have known the right root to take while gambling.They know what works for them and what does not work for them.Yes it is true that successful gamblers are addicts to the game because it is through consistent gambling that gave them the experience,which to know the right thing to do for you to get the wins in gambling.You must have failed before becoming successful.

There are only a handful of successful gamblers in the world. By successful I mean gamblers that have received more money than what they have paid to the casinos.

Most people will just share their wins and ignore their losses.

It's all really just a show, and casinos know this.
884  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: November 01, 2023, 03:16:15 AM
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The risk is very big if we want to make gambling our full time job, however gambling will not be able to provide us with a stable income, gambling must be used as a means of entertainment or a hobby, if it is more than that then you will not get any certainty. Until now I have never met anyone who makes gambling their main job, another very important thing if we make gambling our main job is the possibility that we will become gambling addicts.

Gambling can never really be a job, because as a gambler you are paying for a service.

If anything, it could be seen as maybe an investment, if we're pushing the definition a bit.

But a job?, I don't see how that can be applied to gambling. Any job is basically payment in exchange of goods or services provided. By gambling you are not providing any of those to the casino, you are just giving them your money.

It can be seen as a hobby or a past-time though.
885  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: November 01, 2023, 03:13:59 AM
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Being reckless can't in any way help, it's better to be responsible and also keep the record as much as you can't. I'm sure that this is not burdensome in any way, and if you are doing well you will naturally know and if you are not doing well you will know as well. These two would now give the judgemental clue on how to approach the gambling afterwards. The good record and consciousness I keep with my betting make me now gamble more money on sportsbooks than on casinos.

Do you know why? This is because I was able to know and admit my weaknesses and strengths in the two. This is why nowadays I gamble in casinos for fun and use a little money for it. But I gamble sports for the real deal and use a substantial amount for it.

Well, if you really make all the calculations and consider the expected return of investing of gambling, then no one would gamble because the result is negative.

Every single gambler actually has to be a bit reckless to gamble, because it is known that the odds are against them.

If they still gamble knowing that fact, then that's being at least a bit reckless.
886  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: October 31, 2023, 04:39:00 AM
you're right when you think of slots as a game where you shouldn't bet more than you can afford to lose @LUCKMCFLY but this is regardless of your budget if you min budget allows for at least 50 or 100 times the minimum bet...

maybe you're not playing for profit, only for fun

if you have no disposable income available for games at all then disconsider this comment, of course.

At the end of the day, most gambler are playing to win real money.

Otherwise they could be playing many of the free games that give you points or tokens, etc.

The reality is that the key component to the addiction in gambling is the hope to become rich.
887  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: October 31, 2023, 04:37:44 AM
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Skills don't work in games, it's only luck that matters, and that is the reason why a career can only be made through sports betting, that too if the person possesses extensive knowledge and experience about the game or sport that they bet on, they will need to know the rules of the game, the teams that are involved, the players in each team, how strong or weak the game of each team and player is, and a lot of other factors that needs to be covered by the bettor within their knowledge.

And even after all that knowledge and experience, a bettor might still have to face defeats and losses sometimes because luck sometimes plays its role in sports betting as well, but if we look at the long-term outcome of sports betting, an experienced bettor can outrun their losses with their wins and manage to earn some money if they do it seriously.

There are certain games in which skill can help you increase your odds of winning, for example black jack, or sports betting.

Having said that, of course you will always get worse odds than the casino, so you still need to have some luck to win.

But by being skilled you can identify games that don't make too much sense to the gambler, because the probabilities to win are so low, and the prices are not even that high.
888  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: October 31, 2023, 04:36:00 AM
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As I said today gamblers keep records for a variety of reasons, so expect it to provoke everyone to unreasonable actions such as trying to win back past losses is not quite right. Many gamblers play gambling for fun and records are kept only for personal statistics. All of us are completely different and each of us has completely different views on this or that action.

Yeah, it can definitely remove the fun part if you are constantly logging every single interaction you had with the casino.

Being a bit reckless also is more fun than acting like an accountant  Grin

At the end of the day you should have a rough idea of how much you are losing in casinos. If it is too much, you should have a look at it. That's all.
889  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: October 31, 2023, 04:34:17 AM
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Many other teams in the Premier League have also now adopted this strategy of targeting young players to bring to the club. if you see it seem like Chelsea you will notice how much of young players that they have, and how the management of the club have giving these players very long contracts. Investment in this kind of players usually gives good outcome and result over time when other teams are looking for ways to replace the old and retiring players that they have in their team.

I think this is pretty much universal, all the teams kinda do this at some level.

The thing is that getting younger players is a bit more riskier, but it can pay off in the end because you can pay them less in the beginning of their career.

But if you end up with a full team of young players that have no leaders then maybe they don't get to develop as much as somewhere else, so you lose more in the end.

It's an art.
890  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 31, 2023, 04:28:06 AM
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Prefer waiting for teams result after FIFA World Cup qualifier for predicting which one national teams favorite for winning World Cup 2026, I don't think Argentina is most favorite teams because never have any national teams in FIFA World Cup edition success defend their trophy. Started in 2002 era when Brazil success become the winner but they can't defend on next edition when 2006 Italy success become the champion.
In World Cup 2026, Argentina squad will change drastically and I doubt Lionel Messi keep on the top level perform, he played with underrate league and will bring impact with their level performance when playing with national team.

The next world cup will have a different setting, there will be so many more countries competing, so any previous data is not that relevant any more.

But, having said that, I think Argentina is always a candidate to win the cup, they are just very good. Same as Brazil, or Germany, Italy, France, etc. All the big names. They are big names for a reason.
891  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: October 30, 2023, 07:56:46 AM
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On the contrary,  keeping records can actually help in handling gambling addictions. If you keep note of what you have invested and what you have won, that will help you in decision making.
We cannot shy away from acknowledging that losses is part of the gambling. Taking not of thus losses is actually part of the business of gambling. It has been discussed in several threads here that money management is a good habit for successful gambling. How do you ensure proper money management without taking note of the losses.

I'm of the opinion that proper record keeping is very important as it helps in many ways. Gambling is business so taking stock is very important in business.

I don't know.

I think it's a tricky situation, because if you really sit down and keep track of everything you have put in, and everything you have won, eventually you will realize that gambling is not making you any money, so you will probably stop.

But you probably knew that before gambling. The odds are against you, so if you gamble you will lose money, most probably.

Still many people around the world gamble, even knowing this. So, there is clearly another component to consider.

Maybe it is the hope to win?, maybe it is the thrill of the sounds and lights?, maybe it is being around other people?, who knows, but it is clearly not only a mathematical thing, because otherwise no one would gamble.
892  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: October 30, 2023, 07:53:14 AM
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After all, betting in gambling will not necessarily make a profit every round. Many people hope to win easily, but the reality is not that easy because basically gambling has been set up in such a way by insiders that there is only a small possibility that it will produce it and even then it will not guarantee that it can restore lost losses if it has lost a lot of losses. And it's true that you said the most certain result is that they will lose in gambling, so the gambling company will get income indirectly.

With their skill in gambling, maybe it will not make them experience big losses, on the other hand, self-control also needs to be set by them so that they can limit gambling. There are all ways to avoid big losses, in my opinion the more they play, the more losses they experience. So in my opinion the chance of success is very small in gambling only if great luck is in their favor.

I don't think anyone is expecting to win in every round, that is actually almost impossible.

The thing is that the majority of people don't really consider the odds of the games they play, instead they just put their money and hope for the best, following some lights and sounds from the machines as a guide.

Casinos know this, and they design their games to be as addicted as possible. That's why they make so much money, they keep the gamblers connected to their machines giving them all their money, slowly, without them realizing. Kinda like the frogs in the pan being cooked slowly.
893  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 30, 2023, 07:50:45 AM
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Which club he is currently playing at is also a separate assessment for us to say whether he is still worthy of defending his country or not. Because the competitive level of the league will also affect his performance, and especially the time is still long enough to be in 2026.
There is a decline in his performance and I think we all have the same thoughts on this. But it is something that is natural with his current age.
But if he's still on Argentna's roster for the next WC, that would be great. But I think the atmosphere will be different and not as enthusiastic as in the last WC.

I think almost the whole world wanted Messi to win the previous world cup, but as you say, the enthusiasm for him for the next world cup is just not there.

Of course there are many fans still around, but in many people's mind Messi already "did it" by winning the world cup, so they are prepared for the next big thing.

Honestly, I personally would prefer watching some new talent than continuing to see Messi, because there's nothing else to hope for. Winning the world cup?, he just did it, so that's not as exciting any more.
894  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: October 30, 2023, 07:48:00 AM
Today I just read the news Mike Pence has put his presidential run for 2024 on hold, which basically means he has decided to give up on his big political aspirations, in my opinion.
Obviously, most of us knew that Mike has little to no chance of winning this race and defeat his former boss Donald Trump, but there is no doubt in my mind that there must be some daring bettors out there who threw a few bucks at Mike Penke in hopes of getting a big multiplier in 2024 or cashout when they had the chance to do so.

In other News, it seems Halley is about to surpass DeSantis in the polls, if so I would expect her to start to get more sponsors and donors, not like it mattered, to me the Republican nomination race is over.

It's also probable that this new candidate was added for some reason that is not too obvious, for example, to extract votes from other candidate, or to make more polarized the opinion of people, etc.

These days politics is a very sophisticated game that runs very deep, and it would be naive to think that whatever is being presented is just a direct thing.

Even the timing of the events is carefully planned, so we will have to see what's the effect of this nomination.
895  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Changed the game you gamble on? share your story. on: October 30, 2023, 07:45:42 AM
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The gambling addiction was the cause of the big loss in the gambling,the gambler alone feel the addiction and can come out using the game.Most of the gambler will not change their game to the gambling sites,because to the old game.You are legend and to the new game again you are kid to the game.The more addicted person will feel the addiction with longer period of time.

It's also possible to lose a lot of money without being addicted. That's also a big issue, as some people have a personality that is quite careless, so maybe the first time ever they got access to a gambling platform they might have ended up gambling away all their money they had saved all their life.

It's probably not as common, but there are a lot of people that behave in that way, very impulsive, and they don't think about the consequences of their actions. That's a very difficult situation to be in.

In those cases it's better to be young and naive because probably they only lose a bit of money.
896  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: October 29, 2023, 10:58:55 AM
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Messi performed very well at the world cup because then he was still fit and strong enough to play and then he was in his thirties and still optimal with his performance but by 2026 he will be passed that age and he will not be so fit enough to perform as he did in the last world cup so we can't be judging how well he will perform at the 2026 world cup that is three years fr now with the performance he had at the world cup at Qatar.

Without any doubt it's very possible he will participate in the world cup especially if he is been called up on and he accepts the offer but we can be somehow sure he will not be optimal with his performance by then as he has been, and it's very possible he could have retired by they because he will be in his late thirties of early fourties which is not an age very favourable with football.

I think Messi's performance at the world cup was not at his peak. And I think him playing at other leagues now will not allow him to be at his best for the next world cup.

But who knows, these super stars always keep surprising us with amazing things, so maybe he will end up winning the world cup again, who knows...
897  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Changed the game you gamble on? share your story. on: October 29, 2023, 10:52:19 AM
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Saying and doing are really two different things. What's important is that they wouldn't abandon any post that they have or responsibility for whatever that he/she has on their plate.

If they have neglected any of it, then they are addicted, no matter what they say.

Yeah, but the thing is that those addictions start growing slowly, so you might not realize you are addicted yet but you might be on a trajectory that will end there.

It's hard to know exactly how deep you are in any addiction unless you really take some time and think about it a lot.
898  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: October 29, 2023, 10:29:12 AM
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Hello , I believe you're correct in some aspects and incorrect in others. I'll explain why, Gambling involves risk and there's no guarantee of a 100% chance of winning.But ,there is a chance to make money and improve your life or your project To do ;so you need to dedicate a significant amount of time to learn it thoroughly.

Well, the chance to make money as a gambler is very slim. The most probable outcome though is that the gambler will lose all their money.

It doesn't matter if the gambler is very skilled and they know absolutely every aspect of the game. It's probabilities after all.
899  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) on: October 29, 2023, 10:20:29 AM
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Definitely less crowded on those days, and I heard there's no rooms with those numbers in some hotels in Las Vegas either.

Yeah, indeed there are some apartment buildings that don't have the 13 or the 4th floor.

Nokia also skipped their 4th edition phones and went straight to 5th edition from the third one.
900  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: October 28, 2023, 01:39:02 AM
Keeping a record does not do anything good for a gambler. It only makes you stressed if you can check your average loss. Also, it's unnecessary, if you're the type of gambler, online casinos have the stats of every player showing the W/L ratio.

Even if a specific casino has all your history, whenever you go to another one, or a real life casino you won't have the complete picture.

And you might end up thinking that you are better than where you really are.

It's a good thing to keep track of your spending, but of course casinos end up better when gamblers don't do this.
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