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December 02, 2023, 01:15:33 PM
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I still believe Brazil have got a good chance at qualifying regardless of their loss against Argentina, after all Argentina is a small team either, Brazil still gat some good players and their team strength is still such that can be seen to be reckoned with but then their chance is now smaller.

Brazil sometimes always comes with surprises with the way they played their match, if we are to start with the mentioning of countries that may not qualified then we may not even include Brazil because one would have not taught about this with them, Brazil need to be steadfast in their performance, this is not what they will be hot and sometimes turn cold and keep disappointing like others do.
Brazil still has big chance of qualifying and indeed they could produce surprising results that make us perhaps not believe what they are doing.
For now, perhaps Brazil can still be said to be at the bottom or team that can be beaten by other big teams, but in the next match no one knows what it will be like.
But for now Brazil is being coached by Fernando Diniz who is temporary coach who will probably only be in charge if Ancelotti actually comes with an official agreement for Brazil.
It just that looking at Brazil development while competing in the World Cup, they managed to become one of the most successful teams by winning 5 titles.

Argentina is definitely qualify for the world cup, so far their performance has is really good and shows their readiness for the world cup, it will be out of place if they fail to qualify for the world cup as the defending champions of the title but I doubt if they will be able to keep the cup, it's most likely by the end of the world cup a new champion may emerge as other countries are really bracing up to winning the world especially the major host (the united states).

Am always proud of Argentina and in most time i play my bet, i always include their performances into consideration and choose them to constitute my bet, beca am having the confidence in them to alwa go far till the finals by all means.
Of course, the favorite for Argentina is really quite big because Argentina is team that really cannot be underestimated, even the surprise they give can be truly shocking.
Like in the 2022 World Cup, they managed to take the lead from the start but in the end ended in draw and had to shoot out on penalties. In this penalty match, Messi and his colleagues gave big surprise by winning the match against France.
But for the 2026 World Cup, Argentina appearance will be very different because it is certain that their idol or key player Messi will not be able to defend Argentina in that event. But several rumors are circulating that there is one condition that has been put forward if Messi wants to appear at the 2026 World Cup namely Argentina must win the Copa America in 2024.

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December 02, 2023, 02:34:02 PM
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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi
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December 02, 2023, 02:50:54 PM
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Am always proud of Argentina and in most time i play my bet, i always include their performances into consideration and choose them to constitute my bet, beca am having the confidence in them to alwa go far till the finals by all means.
Confidence is exercised in all round specifically when we win heavily from the system. I ensure I always try my possible best to bet on the winning team, and not settle for lesser results simply because my favorite club is playing against a top side. Argentina winning the world cup was a great shock to most people, who could believe they will become winners, definitely not after hyping other countries like France and Brazil to lift the world cup. Featuring in the finals is a big dream for every players. Argentina won the 2022 Qater world cup with amazing performance from the players and Leo Messi is put infront for the champs.

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December 02, 2023, 03:38:26 PM
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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi

He is still a key player even he is not the same as King Messi a few years ago, any teams against Messi team will set up the defense strategy to mark him.

Argentina still needs Messi for at least 2-3 years ahead and he will always become a key player there, maybe he will retire after the World Cup 2026.

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December 02, 2023, 06:40:29 PM
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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi

He is still a key player even he is not the same as King Messi a few years ago, any teams against Messi team will set up the defense strategy to mark him.

Argentina still needs Messi for at least 2-3 years ahead and he will always become a key player there, maybe he will retire after the World Cup 2026.

I think it is more of a mutual dependency as Messi loves the game and wants the excitement that the Argentinian team can give him. The Argentinian people of course. Messi is a genius that can produce special moments in a game every time, but his game becomes more about passing the ball spaces that nobody else can identify that quickly and then serve as precisely. He is also more about free kick goals. His dribbling skills will decline in speed within the next 3 years I think, but I would still appreciate to see him play. With the role he has in the team, 38 years doesn't sound like too high of an age to still play a World Cup.

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December 02, 2023, 09:26:21 PM
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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi

He is still a key player even he is not the same as King Messi a few years ago, any teams against Messi team will set up the defense strategy to mark him.

Argentina still needs Messi for at least 2-3 years ahead and he will always become a key player there, maybe he will retire after the World Cup 2026.

I think it is more of a mutual dependency as Messi loves the game and wants the excitement that the Argentinian team can give him. The Argentinian people of course. Messi is a genius that can produce special moments in a game every time, but his game becomes more about passing the ball spaces that nobody else can identify that quickly and then serve as precisely. He is also more about free kick goals. His dribbling skills will decline in speed within the next 3 years I think, but I would still appreciate to see him play. With the role he has in the team, 38 years doesn't sound like too high of an age to still play a World Cup.

If Messi keeps playing until 2026, there is a high chance for this player to play in the next World Cup in 2026 and he can get into another World Cup with his team but I don't think this time Argentina will achieve the title of the next world cup against so maybe getting retired before next world cup can be a wise move from Messi.

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December 02, 2023, 10:13:10 PM
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If Messi keeps playing until 2026, there is a high chance for this player to play in the next World Cup in 2026 and he can get into another World Cup with his team but I don't think this time Argentina will achieve the title of the next world cup against so maybe getting retired before next world cup can be a wise move from Messi.


Since winning the World Cup is so hard, it wouldn't be a surprise if they don't win it again. But which team do you think would be strong enough to win the title? I am quite sure that the vast majority will go with France, but I was taught a lesson last time because I was very confident that France would win the final game against Argentina. But I wasn't wrong for the first time. Guessing who is going to win a World Cup title is a losing game because chances are low that someone gets it right. My guess would again be France because I think they have the best chances, but that doesn't mean they are above all other teams.

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December 03, 2023, 08:18:42 AM
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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi

Argentina and Uruguay are probably the best teams in the South American qualifier this time around.

Brazil is definitely not the classical Brazil that we all love.
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December 03, 2023, 11:04:34 AM
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I see that there are MANY Messi fans here and they're anxious to know if he's going to play in 2026 or not hahaha
Here's a very recent news item where the player himself admits the possibility of playing in the 2026 World Cup

"Today the only thing I think about is getting to the Copa America well and being able to compete in it. Fighting it again like we always did, trying to be champions. Then time will tell if I'm there [at the World Cup] or not. I'm going to arrive at an age [39 years old] that I normally wouldn't be able to play in the World Cup. I said that I don't think I'm going to be there. It seemed that after the World Cup I was retiring and quite the opposite. Now I want to be there more than ever. [But] I'm not thinking about the World Cup and I'm not saying 100 percent that I won't be there because anything can happen. Given my age, the most normal thing is that I won't be there. Then we'll see to what extent. Maybe we do well in the Copa America and it happens. everything so that we continue. Maybe not. Being realistic it is difficult."


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December 03, 2023, 11:49:38 AM
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Messi is indeed a big factor and their idol, but you can't call him their key player anymore, several others are performing as good as him lately, Otamendi, being a defense, was the one who scored against both Brazil and Paraguay, likely the two harder games Argentina actually won in these qualifiers (still, the harder one for Argentina was their defeat against Uruguay, they were overwhelmed)
I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi
I think it will be out of place to compare a defender to a striker, Messi is still a key player provided he still players for the national team, he is still very much optimal with his performance and possibly would be allowed to captain the team if need be because of his abilities.

The fact that they won a game with or without him does not in anyway make him less of a key player, his presence alone in that team is such a big influence that can't be undermined by the fact that there are other younger players doing well already, it's normal that various erra comes and aswell pass but it still doesn't displace the relevance of the previous, the rising of new stars in the team is a norm that should be encouraged just like before Messi were others. Conclusively provided Messi is still a player in that team he remains key to them, winning match in his absence does not dispute that and it's really a good thing the team is becoming this strong.

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December 03, 2023, 01:54:41 PM
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I see that there are MANY Messi fans here and they're anxious to know if he's going to play in 2026 or not hahaha
Here's a very recent news item where the player himself admits the possibility of playing in the 2026 World Cup

"Today the only thing I think about is getting to the Copa America well and being able to compete in it. Fighting it again like we always did, trying to be champions. Then time will tell if I'm there [at the World Cup] or not. I'm going to arrive at an age [39 years old] that I normally wouldn't be able to play in the World Cup. I said that I don't think I'm going to be there. It seemed that after the World Cup I was retiring and quite the opposite. Now I want to be there more than ever. [But] I'm not thinking about the World Cup and I'm not saying 100 percent that I won't be there because anything can happen. Given my age, the most normal thing is that I won't be there. Then we'll see to what extent. Maybe we do well in the Copa America and it happens. everything so that we continue. Maybe not. Being realistic it is difficult."


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Ok I had a quick look and the interview he gave there on the Star+ documentary seems to be trustworthy. I didn't watch it, but assuming it is true these statements are quite interesting as he never said it so clearly and never gave a hint to what is on his mind about the upcoming international tournaments. I think it is great news if he stays fit. It would be an enrichment for the World Cup and when he doesn't play all games, it doesn't matter. Having him around one more time is great and I believe Ronaldo will be there, too.  Roll Eyes

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Brazil does look for a new manager that much is known, biggest name that is going around is Ancelotti, not sure if he still wants to manage because there are rumors of him wanting to retire, but if he does want to continue, then getting a national team is the best for retirement type of person, you get like 10-15 games a year with that team that's it, instead of 50-60 games with a club. This is why I honestly believe that it could be very well for Ancelotti to take place at Brazil.

Plus, even in a scenario where the worst could happen for Brazil on the short term, they are a football culture nation and they will continue to produce great talent and they will be fine, even in an issue for them now, could be solved very easily later on when the time comes, maybe this generation is not that great and the one that comes after this will be better. ıts true that they are not the Brazil we know from 10-20 years ago, but maybe they will be the best nation in another 10-15 years, who knows?
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December 03, 2023, 07:23:49 PM
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Brazil does look for a new manager that much is known, biggest name that is going around is Ancelotti, not sure if he still wants to manage because there are rumors of him wanting to retire, but if he does want to continue, then getting a national team is the best for retirement type of person, you get like 10-15 games a year with that team that's it, instead of 50-60 games with a club. This is why I honestly believe that it could be very well for Ancelotti to take place at Brazil.

Plus, even in a scenario where the worst could happen for Brazil on the short term, they are a football culture nation and they will continue to produce great talent and they will be fine, even in an issue for them now, could be solved very easily later on when the time comes, maybe this generation is not that great and the one that comes after this will be better. ıts true that they are not the Brazil we know from 10-20 years ago, but maybe they will be the best nation in another 10-15 years, who knows?
Interestingly enough, perhaps that was one of the factors behind Ancelotti willingness to accept the job and leave his managerial seat at Madrid. The difficulty of managing the National Team for every coach lies in the selection of players who will be called up, not in the number of matches and the busy schedule. I agree with you that this job is good for people who are planning their retirement.

I think the golden generation in the Brazilian national team will never end, new phenomenal seeds like Neymar will always emerge. In fact, I miss someone like R9, everything looks easy when there are players like him on the field. On the other hand, even though Brazil current situation is not good, considering that there is still quite a long time available, they can improve the situation for the better in the future.

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December 03, 2023, 09:31:47 PM
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I see that there are MANY Messi fans here and they're anxious to know if he's going to play in 2026 or not hahaha
Here's a very recent news item where the player himself admits the possibility of playing in the 2026 World Cup

"Today the only thing I think about is getting to the Copa America well and being able to compete in it. Fighting it again like we always did, trying to be champions. Then time will tell if I'm there [at the World Cup] or not. I'm going to arrive at an age [39 years old] that I normally wouldn't be able to play in the World Cup. I said that I don't think I'm going to be there. It seemed that after the World Cup I was retiring and quite the opposite. Now I want to be there more than ever. [But] I'm not thinking about the World Cup and I'm not saying 100 percent that I won't be there because anything can happen. Given my age, the most normal thing is that I won't be there. Then we'll see to what extent. Maybe we do well in the Copa America and it happens. everything so that we continue. Maybe not. Being realistic it is difficult."


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To be honest, even if Messi plays in the next World Cup in 2026, I don't think if we can expect to see a good performance from this player because Messi is not going to be in good form anymore and even if we consider him as a legendary player, he still can't have the same performance, I think the bet thing he could do was to get retired from the national games before 2026.

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December 05, 2023, 04:33:21 PM
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I see that there are MANY Messi fans here and they're anxious to know if he's going to play in 2026 or not hahaha
Here's a very recent news item where the player himself admits the possibility of playing in the 2026 World Cup

"Today the only thing I think about is getting to the Copa America well and being able to compete in it. Fighting it again like we always did, trying to be champions. Then time will tell if I'm there [at the World Cup] or not. I'm going to arrive at an age [39 years old] that I normally wouldn't be able to play in the World Cup. I said that I don't think I'm going to be there. It seemed that after the World Cup I was retiring and quite the opposite. Now I want to be there more than ever. [But] I'm not thinking about the World Cup and I'm not saying 100 percent that I won't be there because anything can happen. Given my age, the most normal thing is that I won't be there. Then we'll see to what extent. Maybe we do well in the Copa America and it happens. everything so that we continue. Maybe not. Being realistic it is difficult."


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Make your bets  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

To be honest, even if Messi plays in the next World Cup in 2026, I don't think if we can expect to see a good performance from this player because Messi is not going to be in good form anymore and even if we consider him as a legendary player, he still can't have the same performance, I think the bet thing he could do was to get retired from the national games before 2026.

Messi is performing the way he is still performing and if he can continue to play, he will definitely be able to play in the 2026 World Cup. His physical fitness will depend on whether he will play the 2026 World Cup. The course and management of current champions Argentina want Messi to play the 2026 World Cup if he is physically fit. Now it's about how well Messi can make the team perform if he plays in the 2026 World Cup. Those who are Messi fans must want Messi to play the World Cup in 2026.
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December 05, 2023, 04:42:31 PM
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To be honest, even if Messi plays in the next World Cup in 2026, I don't think if we can expect to see a good performance from this player because Messi is not going to be in good form anymore and even if we consider him as a legendary player, he still can't have the same performance, I think the bet thing he could do was to get retired from the national games before 2026.

I doubt Lionel Messi will be the best level top performance for FIFA World Cup 2026 is still with Inter Miami team, he was absent almost one month for playing with his club after Inter Miami not qualified to playoff round and bad impact for the best player not in the competitive more than three months later. Actually Lionel Messi will focus upcoming event with his national team Argentina for defending the Copa America trophy before talking with FIFA World Cup 2026 two years later.

Lionel Messi will be 38 years old when FIFA World Cup start but if still stay with Inter Miami not sure will him on the top level performance or not because MLS League not really high competitive such as European competition. Actually 38 years old still compete for players who on the top level perform and keep playing with most competitive league.

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December 05, 2023, 10:30:26 PM
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To be honest, even if Messi plays in the next World Cup in 2026, I don't think if we can expect to see a good performance from this player because Messi is not going to be in good form anymore and even if we consider him as a legendary player, he still can't have the same performance, I think the bet thing he could do was to get retired from the national games before 2026.

I doubt Lionel Messi will be the best level top performance for FIFA World Cup 2026 is still with Inter Miami team, he was absent almost one month for playing with his club after Inter Miami not qualified to playoff round and bad impact for the best player not in the competitive more than three months later. Actually Lionel Messi will focus upcoming event with his national team Argentina for defending the Copa America trophy before talking with FIFA World Cup 2026 two years later.

Lionel Messi will be 38 years old when FIFA World Cup start but if still stay with Inter Miami not sure will him on the top level performance or not because MLS League not really high competitive such as European competition. Actually 38 years old still compete for players who on the top level perform and keep playing with most competitive league.

There is no doubt that Messi is not going to have a good performance even if he plays in the next World Cup. Messi is currently in the good form and he can play in the World Cup if we are going to see the World Cup in this season but we are talking about the next season when Messi will get older and this will be harder for him to have a good performance.

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December 05, 2023, 10:37:39 PM
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I think today's Argentina can defeat Brazil or France even without Messi

Even though Messi is not playing in Europe and is already older and the Argentine national team has many good players available in the national team, they still cannot play well without Messi. It is enough to see that in the last World Cup, Messi and Di Maria were the most important players in the team and even today they continue to be so, and Argentina still does not have other players who have great potential to occupy Messi and Di Maria's positions and be able to perform. the same level that Messi and Di Maria perform. In attack I see Lautaro Martinez as an excellent goal scorer, he has been playing. but he has other good players who are not put on the field to play, such as paulo dybala

I can't understand why Argentina's coach calls on Dybala but even when Argentina during the game is having a comfortable goal advantage over the opponent and Argentina's coach doesn't play Dybala and this has happened in many games, even when they are games In friendlies, Argentina's coach does not play Dybala and other players, so Argentina is dependent on a very limited number of players and on the day Messi retires, the team may have difficulty beating strong teams. France and England are good teams that have a good squad, while England do not depend on just one player, France depends on Mbappe, but the difference between France and Argentina is that France has young players while Argentina depends more of players who are close to retiring

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December 05, 2023, 10:51:23 PM
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There is no doubt that Messi is not going to have a good performance even if he plays in the next World Cup. Messi is currently in the good form and he can play in the World Cup if we are going to see the World Cup in this season but we are talking about the next season when Messi will get older and this will be harder for him to have a good performance.

Messi is a bit of an outlier, he has shown excellent results even when getting older.

But, having said that, getting older definitely affects performance, and after 40 specially, things will just get harder for him to do. Things that were easier will become a challenge.

He will have to work harder to keep his level, and with so many great young players, which are about half his age, things don't look too good for him in the next world cup.
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December 05, 2023, 11:48:49 PM
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There is no doubt that Messi is not going to have a good performance even if he plays in the next World Cup. Messi is currently in the good form and he can play in the World Cup if we are going to see the World Cup in this season but we are talking about the next season when Messi will get older and this will be harder for him to have a good performance.

Messi is a bit of an outlier, he has shown excellent results even when getting older.

But, having said that, getting older definitely affects performance, and after 40 specially, things will just get harder for him to do. Things that were easier will become a challenge.

He will have to work harder to keep his level, and with so many great young players, which are about half his age, things don't look too good for him in the next world cup.

It affects performance, but performance can also change in various respects. Being slower is of course worse than being faster. But Messi has been optimizing his teamplay for many years now and in my eyes he is one of the best and most accurate passing players in the world. If he still has some outstanding strikers around him who are also very fast, Messi's passes can make the difference in any game on any level. That's one of his big qualities and not to mention that he is still able to score goals himself with all the experience and accuracy he has.

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