I fist thought that you were talking about actual stablecoins like USDT, which is on the bitcoin's omni layer already.
Ah, good, somebody mentioned that Tether was initially on Bitcoin via Omni Protocol. It still is there but the majority of liquidity has migrated to other blockchains. So the original stablecoin was on Bitcoin. These are the most recent USDT transactions on Omni: [image deleted for quote] Not a whole lot of volume but it proves that stablecoins are still being transacted on the Bitcoin network, where it all began. Most things that people think started on Ethereum actually started on Bitcoin: tokens, stablecoins, NFTs, and even on-chain image storage that predates both NFTs on Ethereum and Ordinals. Do you mean that Tether was originally on the bitcoin network? I don't know about that, so I don't understand what @o48o is saying. |
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Maybe he should be banned for violating ban evasion. I don't know how to get him banned, I think it's DT's job to get them banned or flag them. I don't have tag power
It's no one's job but everyone's privilege to tag and raise flags as part of the forum's trust feedback system. You do have the tag power and by using it, you contribute to the community and become eligible for membership in DT. If you don't make use of this power, it's unlikely that others will consider including you in their trust lists. When it comes to banning, only the mods and admins have the power to do that. As far as I know, they don't really care whether the reports are from DT members or just regular forum users. But as far as I know, only tags from DT will be visible in their trust. Tags from us that are not DT are not visible. It's useless if I tag it but no one can see it How do I report this case of ban evasion? I don't know the staff or admin here. Can I report it with "report to moderation"? |
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What would you like to discuss more about this? The obvious connection has already been established. You can tag the accounts if you want, report them to the moderators for ban evading and move on.
Maybe he should be banned for violating ban evasion. I don't know how to get him banned, I think it's DT's job to get them banned or flag them. I don't have tag power |
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It takes more than a month for a genuine newbie to study, assimilate, and understand the forum rules, particularly the DT system, which is the most difficult of all (even old members are still learning their way around it), yet you appear to be highly knowledgeable about it. I disagree with the tag on your profile and would not leave one myself, but you are simply too good to be a month old newbie. It's possible that you are an alt of an established member/burst member who has been here before, but I wouldn't give a shit about you as long as you haven't broken any rules and that alt accounts are allowed. You are still in the right.
However, trend with caution because you are already under the red knife and about to get butchered.
Not too long, and I'm in a span of 1 month. Yes, the DT system was very confusing before I installed the BPIP extension. Yes, I understand, and I'm not afraid of being slaughtered. Because I have nothing wrong here I also pay attention to the talk of user @PytagoraZ, it seems that he interferes too much in people's topics, this newbie is strange to my judgement. An example of his tal. @nutildah spoke to @Poker Player, my assessment has nothing to do with @PytagoraZ, but he replied, As if he knew exactly what the problem was. Does this have something to do with Royse? I saw a poker player thread with royse getting heated. Looks like you took it that way back
Yes, I read thread the battle of poker player and royse. That's quite interesting. but the thread was immediately locked Another example, is he peacemaker here, obnoxious, many others in other posts attract the attention of other members by judging him Alt someone with other arguments. I don't support you rby, but what jollygood is doing is wrong, and I have never seen a judgment begin without preliminary evidence
Isn't that the way it should be? The judgment thread is not a discussion thread, it needs to be distinguished and I think everyone knows that accusing someone must have evidence. That's what Jolly doesn't do Reputation hell, you can get burned.
"You can torture us, and bomb us, and burn our districts to the ground. But do you see that? Fire is catching. and if we burn, you burn with us!" katniss everdeen ~ mockingjay |
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I can't comment on that, I don't know the signature campaign mechanism
Edit : Mwhat I mean is the hard work you put into alt tagging is awesome, especially you don't put campaign signature on your profile. What you do looks sincere You got here less than a month ago yet you've spent a large amount of time concerned with the inner-workings of the forum, commenting on reputational matters and presenting arguments on complex forum issues there's no way a newbie could possibly have a decent understanding of. Also, 40% of your posts are in Meta and Reputation, which is highly unusual for a newbie.
From your post history, its pretty apparent you don't really care about bitcoin or cryptocurrency at all. Its not unique to see this forum as a source of income first and foremost (rather than a place to learn, contribute or interact on a social level), but I can see where JollyGood is coming from, even though I probably wouldn't leave a similar trust.
Regardless, its just a neutral tag and the way that its written would not impede your ability to join a signature campaign, granted a campaign manager sees your contributions as worthy.
So how long do you think it will take for new member to get to know the forum? Other than the reputation threads there are no discussions, most members only reply once and they don't come back to see replies. There is no discussion going on in the thread other than reputation In addition, new members are not considered in the discussion. Just like you who didn't answer my question in the rby case thread. Yes maybe this tag is not very influential, But those accusations are bogus, I need to warn jolly, and he really likes to tag people based on assumptions. If this neutral tag turns red then my next step is: I'm crushed or he's crushed I want to explain things with you, but the more I explain, the easier it will be for you to criticize me. Such a method of logical discussion exists in the concept of hermeneutics, but I forgot, I haven't read a book in a long time It looks like the guy is too hot. I am also watching you, PytagoraZ.I can say that your task is to be visible on the forum (I'm too lazy to look for your words; I already spoke about this once). You manage to be visible, but your presence is too much in topics where, in theory, you should not be, if you speak about yourself as a newbie. Your task should be to study Bitcoin, not to "play" justice. Alternate accounts are not banned on the forum; apart from that, JollyGood has not pointed out any violations from you, even if you are someone's alt. Therefore, after three years, your tag will not affect anything.
But on my own, I can say that yes, I will do this: ~ PytagoraZ
alt? Still assuming without proof. Yes... I need to criticize a few things, how is it possible for a judgment thread but no preliminary evidence? That's really surprising, and I think it's wrong and needs to be fixed. But Jolly doesn't consider me, because I'm just a junior member. Though he need not worry, because I'm not a lawyer. But if he wants to defend himself I am prepared to re-read what I have read, and I think that is good in a discussion.
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Giving someone a neutral tag is not necessarily abusing DT power. He has not harmed your profile and has likely not hindered you from making money if you did apply to a sig campaign and got accepted. Do I agree with his tag? No, I wouldn't leave 1 like it even if I had the same thoughts about you, but he is him and I am me.
What I bolded is also an incorrect statement. If he didn't care about sig campaigns, he wouldn't be in 1.
Maybe now it doesn't matter. But if this tag remains 3 years later? I thought it would be bad for me. Because it's a tag from jolly so I responded, because I disagreed with him and I'm pretty sure he won't remove this tag if it's not responded You got a *neutral* trust feedback from someone?
Please, keep talking...
I can't comment for you. You are very idealistic, what you are doing here (alt tagging) has no tendency for signature campaigns |
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I don't see it.  It seems you ignored him. That's good. Seriously I'm not lying 
If jolly wants to continue this matter and accept my challenge. I need help from 10 members of DT1 or DT2 to tagging him if the accusations are not proven. Maybe someone is willing to do it for me?
Note : To anyone helping me it's not that you have a problem with jolly, just to help me for the challenge i gave him
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I got a neutral tag from jollygood. Is it important? yes it is important for me. He accuses me of being an alt and accuses me of being a merit finder for signature campaign
I will answer:
1. I am not an alt
2. If I have the opportunity to join the signature, I will join it
Explanation
1. Do you think people registering on forums is the same as registering in a school? do you think newbies are clueless? Let's have a direct discussion, you always avoid having a direct discussion with me. This is not my first forum, do you think this forum is the only forum on the internet? so you dare to accuse me alt. I consider your tag to be an abuse of DT's power as I'm not sure in the future you will remove it
Because you are DT, So I challenge you, prove your accusations, if your accusations are not proven then it is defamation and you should apologize to me and 10 negative tags because you abused your DT power
I'm sure you will dare to accept my offer, because 10 negative tags is not problem for you, Because you don't care about signature campaigns. Only other people will you think is wrong if they join the signature campaign. The most important thing for you is to judge people
2. Please explain the meaning of this point. If I want to raise my rank immediately to sign up for a signature campaign, then I will support you and maybe many people will give me merit. What I did today is at risk of being tagged, so how can you accuse me of doing that? Please explain what logic are you using? But I'm not an anarchist so maybe I don't know if you explain about that
Maybe you can't make a thread to judge me because you don't have any proof. But if you still haven't studied law, of course you can create a judgment thread without attaching evidence and initial analysis.
So I opened a thread to judge myself. So you don't bother making threads. So please present your arguments for your accusations and attach the evidence. Remember this is a judgment thread so need to provide concrete evidence, not assumptions. You need to distinguish between what is discussion and what is judgment
So, I'm waiting for your reply about this and about the challenge that I gave.
Have a beautiful day
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I am not sure a case by case basis is a good idea simply because it invites those that do not deserve it another opportunity to waste time in the hope members here will be engaged in in-fighting. That is just my opinion and it is one of many therefore I invite more participation in this discussion.
Finally I found your comment that I agree with. That's right, you don't need to invite inappropriate people because in this forum what is appropriate is only for yourself. No other. In addition, the assessment is easy, there is no need to present evidence, real witnesses and the perpetrator's defense. Just tag it, it's easy and hassle-free. I want to learn the way of judgment like you, looks so easy and hassle free |
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They must be very clearly connected to each other as authentication is posted from each account using the same wallet. I think a person uses each of these accounts and tries to quickly join each account in a bounty campaign so he forgets to use one wallet for a particular account due to which he uses one wallet for different accounts. In case of wallet transactions it is not completely proof that one account is alt of another because for any reason one friend can transfer crypto from another friend. However, since a wallet is seen being used by multiple accounts through authentication post, it is clear that each of these accounts is connected.
It is not a crime to use multiple accounts on this forum. However, if someone joins the same bounty campaign or signature campaign with multiple accounts, then he is cheating and due to this the accounts may get red tag by DT
But that doesn't matter. Because the one who discovered this case again was me, a junior member. Maybe if someone finds DT, at least this thread will reply a lot. |
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As you can see, for my own curiosity, I have already dm'd him and will wait for his reply.
I appreciate the effort you put in, I really support you getting the facts on this matter. So this case could have key witnesses if there were people directly related to this case That should have been started off with RBY's first attempt when he came back to the forum after more than half a decade. Now that he tried to come for the first time in the reputation board to defend a known cheater, he got himself in this mess. I personally have no affiliation, nor do I have any reason to call him out. His way of defending naim027 and john abraham, the way he deleted all technical replies, threads made before 2015 got him in this situation. He has been exposed as a liar if not that then he is a scammer.
I think that applies to anyone on this forum who doesn't support the case DT is working on. Especially Jollygood. You can see it in my tags, assuming he can tag... Maybe i will challenge him, if he can prove me wrong then please mark. If not, then 10 negative tags for it. You must know that the mistakes of law enforcers must be punished more severely than ordinary people, right? DT is the enforcer of this forum There are couple things why it looks suspicious: 1. If Rubycoin is legit, why he need to delete the ANN thread?2. If he's the real team behind of Rubycoin, why he not act to resolve the 2 BTC problem? what I see here he's more focus to get rid off from the negative feedback by complaint why the accusation bumped after 4 years. So only "if"? Have you come across judgments with proof "if"? I've never seen one, at least in countries that use positive law I am surprised you contacted him, that is definitely being dedicated to the cause. If he does get back to you I hope it does not bring back bad memories of the scam.
As far as the current owner/operator of the rby account is concerned they can continue lying and that was to be expected since naim027-style set the bar of compulsive lying and manipulation to never-before seen levels, others had to catch on.
Yes, what he did was absolutely right. That's the right way of judging, looking for real evidence, not prejudice. If you definitely won't do it, Because it's not necessary. Assumptions alone are enough for you to judge people. I don't know where you studied law, but it looks cool and you're probably the only one doing a model of judgment like that in the whole world. Or do you have your own legal theory? maybe negative law theory? |
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Sorry I was on business so I couldn't be online yesterday. I'm surprised to see the replies here, all DT... Honestly I also want to be a DT someday, you guys are cool. Although some I don't like because it attaches too much importance to its ability to tag others He just needed few weeks to reach member rank, actually. He has met the merit requirement for member [10] and posted enough to reach the member treshold, all he needed left to reach member is time for the forum's biweekly activity update to caught up with his post count to reach 60. End of this month will be the time, if I correctly consult my calculation with this ancient spreadsheethaaha . It seems you are very thorough. Yes, I just need activity to rank up, hopefully I can quickly move up to FM too.
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Account sellers may have purchased the account for resale and are not tied to the scam, but if an account scammed they fall into the collateral damage category as well. It's the account that gets ruined, the seller themselves may have nothing to do with the scam. Again, it should be looked at as case by case, if the seller was not in control and didn't do the scam, why tag them? Aside from the fact that people dislike sellers. The account that the scam was done on is what should be tagged. Its a whole mess of a topic for sure. My mind could be swayed and its a subject that we will never get 50%+ of the masses to agree on. You are always wise and have broad views. I absolutely agree with this, everything should be based on a specific case. Maybe it would be better if we could propose to the forum to ban trading accounts so that if someone buys an account then it is clear that it is a violation. Until now buying and selling accounts is still legal in the rules of this forum. |
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Everything is still assuming. Has anyone here contacted cleanwatercoin? I looked at the cleanwatercoin thread and not a single reply, doesn't anyone care about scams? well, cleanwatercoin is also unclear, maybe it's also a scam. I think what is being done here is just assuming and fetching the source from a dead source without knowing if the old thread is valid or not. If this scam really happened, in 2014 no one cares about this problem so no one tags or replies in the comments column of the thread? Maybe I can lie and accuse someone of cheating now, I'm off the forum, and in the future someone will see the thread I created. They believed the accusations and raised the issue again. Anyone know the original case? in 2014? or did people here just look at an old thread and bring up this issue again? I don't support rby, but I only see assumptions, no clarification from anyone, does anyone dare to testify that the fraud case really happened? and there is no element of business competition? rubicoin and cleanwatercoin are both gone now, the coins are dead, and both are scams I think only nutildan and stompix were born on this forum when this thread was created https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=638171.msg7121360#msg7121360is at that time the members were still small so no one cared about the 2btc fraud case and replied to the thread? Maybe nutildah and stompix can explain why that thread is being ignored and no one is replying to comments, not even nutildan and stompix are replying to that thread |
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forget to sleep. It looks like your Indonesian time is now past 2am - does that prove you're not in a hurry?
OMG.... Looks like a lot of people are starting to see me. That is dangerous. How can you do that? Please teach me Wkwkwkw.... The reputation thread is currently interesting on the rby case. I was quite interested in it.. until I forgot what time it was |
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~bla blaa blaaa~
Yes.. i think jollygood is too arrogant and he likes that. For now, in my opinion, making trash posts is better than finding other people's mistakes, other people are make a trash posts for signature campaigns, Jolly also does the same thing, finding other people's faults for signature campaigns. Maybe I'm new, but still I'm free to judge Jolly, just like he's free to judge me, the difference is only 1, he can tag me while I can't. not fair indeed. But I know that the judgment thread cannot be opened freely without preliminary evidence and preliminary analysis. So what are you doing wrong, is such an wrong not worth for tag? it is an abuse of your status as a DT, just like a judge judges people without proof, you can be accused of defaming people. I think we all use positive law theory I don't care who is right and wrong here. But the way you accuse and open judgment threads without preliminary evidence is clearly wrong. It's very dangerous if all the DTs do the same as you. Maybe this forum will lose members. I think a lot of members are afraid of being marked and they're changing for the better. It's time we build forums, not destroy forums. Everyone has the right to change
BitcoinGirl.Club I've added ~ in front of the name
jollygood = My advice, attach the evidence or close this thread |
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See you in 5 years, I'll be a member
If it takes you 5 years to rank up then you are not putting enough effort in. There are a couple different threads where users can ask for a post review (make sure you qualify before posting). You also just need to try to contribute and eventually you'll start seeing merits come in. Try not to be discouraged if they don't come in 1 week. No reason to be in a hurry. I'm not in a rush so I'm quite enjoying the time with the 5 years I have
Mr yahoo please join in thread reputation.. we need your opinion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5458318.0This theme is dedicated to celebrating various achievements, such as rank up. If @PytagoraZ doesn’t want to celebrate it, then he shouldn’t have written about it here and complained (describing some tosh with coffee, sleeping, dream and peeing). Get down to business, man. Stop whining.
You seem too serious, maybe you lack coffee? |
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Yes his posting style has already been picked up by nutildah, Poker Player, lovesmayfamilis, myself and some others in the Tagging Accounts Sellers And Tagging Traded/Sold/Bought Accounts thread. For those of us who read the posts there (and elsewhere) had no doubt that the current rby account operator is definitely not the creator of the account. He is stuck between a rock and a hard place because if he were to remain adamant he was the original account creator, tags would be placed on the basis of him lying and/or because of the fact he scammed 2 BTC for undelivered work. However, if he were to claim he purchased the account it would automatically mean receiving tags for account trading. He had to make a choice and he chose to pretend he is the creator of the Rubycoin scam and with that he admitted he has stolen 2 BTC from a client. If you create a judgment thread, attach the proof. Attach your analysis to the evidence. Does not provide a link. Such is the mechanism of judgment wherever I know
My advice, attach the evidence or close this thread Whether he finds a fault or not, it is already obvious that there is no case that warrants red tag. But then, if a DT member tags someone even without an evidence. The community does not kill the DT member. And it is also lies in the hand of the person who left the tag to remove it. Even if the whole community says that JG and PP should delete the feedback and they refuse, nothing will still happen to them. But then people will begin to distrust them. Another implication of misuse of trust feedback is that you weaken the weight of red tag and promote retaliatory tagging.
There must be a new mechanism, where if DT gives the wrong tag and is very detrimental to other people then DT must receive a more severe punishment. |
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I don't think you need to explain anything here because the accuser did not provide any evidence for his accusation. You have the right to remain silent until there is evidence to prove you wrong. The explanation you provide will make the accuser find fault with your explanation.
I don't support you rby, but what jollygood is doing is wrong, and I have never seen a judgment begin without preliminary evidence |
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You mean like usdt on ethereum network?
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I don't think it's about the network. What OP needs is something stablecoin that is based on Bitcoin or it is pegged just like USDT which is 1:1 pegged with the US dollar. For me, if you want a stablecoin that it must be pegged 1:1 from the original currency. Which for me that's the common issue of stablecoins we have now, some got some issue with transparency like it's not 100% backed by the currency. It seems that only you understand what I mean. It doesn't have to be on a 1:1 basis either. the point is that it's important to be stable, it could also be 1:100,000 as long as it's always stable at that number. I prefer Bitcoin over stable money. Fiat currencies have their own inflation, and those papers are melting day by day. Cash is fine, but as long as it circulates, it begins to melt away as soon as it waits. Bitcoin was born as an option against the inflationary environment, this birth can even be considered a milestone. Thinking in the long term and waiting for good support levels will always make you profitable in the long run.
Therefore I don't want to talk about fiat money. If you want a crypto/bitcoin ecosystem, leave the concept of fiat behind and don't discuss bitcoin prices with fiat. But we rarely talk about trading bitcoin for ethereum, or bitcoin for bnb, everyone will talk about bitcoin for fiat. If there is a stablecoin for bitcoin then 1btc = 100,000 bitcash. That's it, no need to mention how much USD |
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