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881  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Success or Fail? - Talking about Gambling as a major income on: December 22, 2023, 04:41:02 PM
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That's right, they have to look for other jobs that are more real than looking for income from gambling which is not clear and will give them luck, because that will only make them suffer losses, not only will they not succeed easily, but in my opinion it is almost impossible to make gambling a source of income. The main thing is, it won't work, because the factor of winning that is difficult to get is real. With the difficulty of winning in gambling, they suffer a lot of financial losses, also because of that they will lose more than many things, not just financially. it is impossible to get a stable income from gambling, the possibility is that they will only lose a lot not win, so getting income from gambling is impossible, even if they spend a lot of money,  it means they have fallen into a gambling trap where they have become addicted to gambling, which is difficult to overcome. healed. If someone else wins, it doesn't mean that we can also win because everyone's luck is basically different,  so don't copy other people with as much effort as we can, it won't be the same.

Instead of spending a lot of money on gambling, I think it's better to spend a lot of money on real life where we can see what we bought and can use it.
By getting a job, at least they can get their salary, and if they feel their salary is still not enough, they can work part-time to get an additional salary, which they can use to meet their living needs, and they can also get extra money for gambling. But that's not the goal of getting an additional job that can provide more money for gambling, but with that additional salary, they can have more salary for other more important things. Gambling as a source of income will not work for most people because the losing factor is greater than the winning factor, so they will only experience even bigger losses. Due to the greater possibility of losing, they should think about never using gambling as a source of income. They will only feel the loss of a lot of money, which might cause them to go bankrupt, so they will regret it later. And before that happens to novice gamblers, it is better for them to immediately limit their gambling activities rather than having them go deeper into gambling so that it will be difficult for them to get out of gambling.

And it's even better if they can save money for their future. It can help them change their future for the better because, with these savings, they can plan for what they want to achieve. And with discipline and good planning, they can achieve their targets.
882  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) on: December 22, 2023, 04:19:51 PM
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Yep, slot machines are indeed a very brutal and surprising game, sometimes we don't get any wins even though we have spun hundreds of times or bought bonuses many times. But sometimes we can get bonuses and wins easily, even with capital of $10 we can win up to hundreds of USD

I also agree that currently it is very difficult for PP to get good wins, even to get back the purchase capital is very difficult, often we only get 20% or 30% of the purchase. I have felt this since many new slot machines were launched by PP, so I feel their old games have become very difficult to win, I prefer to play their new games, because sometimes I feel winning there is easier even if it's only a small win. I rarely play slots from hacksaw and have never gotten any wins there, it is very difficult to get a win there, slot machines from hacksaw are like a nightmare for me, like slot machines from no limit
That's why we must be very careful about using money to play slots because this game can drain all the money we have deposited. But with self-control and limits, we will only immediately use some of the money because we remember the limits and always try to stop ourselves before we experience even more losses. We can win easily, but it depends on the luck we have, and if that luck doesn't come when we are playing slots, we won't be able to win.

I often buy the bonus feature, but that doesn't help much when playing Pragmatic Play. Even if I repeat it three times or more, it doesn't guarantee I can win big. Indeed, PP launched many interesting slot games, and we can place bets at minimum bets, but if we are not careful, we will only lose more money. Playing Hacksaw is also the same as PP, where you can lose your money without getting a chance to win even a small win. This is why, when playing slots, we have to determine how many dollars we can use to prevent many losses.
883  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts? on: December 22, 2023, 03:57:45 PM
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The allure of easy money is simply too strong for some people, but what they fail to realize is that what they consider to be easy money is in fact the most difficult way to make money that exists, as if you get a job and work hard then you will get a pay for your efforts, but in gambling since the odds are against you and if you bet for long enough then it becomes a certainty that you will lose money instead of making any, and yet there are many people every day that try to make money this way.
Those who use gambling to get easy money have to experience disappointment because many of them will only experience losses that can wipe out all their money. But if they think they are gambling using their money and can accept their losses well without any desire to recover their losses, they will not try to get back the money they lost in gambling. And there is no easy money in gambling because gambling is not a place to make money.

So before people start gambling, they must be able to think that they are gambling using money, and they can experience defeat so they can limit their money in gambling. When they cannot control themselves in gambling, they will only experience gambling addiction, and it is only a matter of time before they experience it.
884  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have any one had experiences with banned bank/providers because of gambling? on: December 22, 2023, 03:21:07 PM
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There's nothing we can do if banks would be freezing up our accounts and this is the cons when using up centralized platforms on which it would really be giving out that kind of possibilities on getting locked up once you have missed or violate something. I can say that it is normal since they are highly been regulated by the government on which means that they would really be that having that monitoring in terms of those money laundering kind of possible transactions on which they would really be that handling out those possible trnsactions and would clarify it out as the owner of the account.
If they have blocked it then you dont have any options but to go and asked out on how to unblock but for sure be prepared into those questions and requirements which it might be asked out.
Perhaps that's what gamblers should avoid, who still often use their bank accounts to deposit money into their gambling accounts and also withdraw their winnings. If your country allows gambling, it is not a serious problem. But if you are in a country that prohibits gambling, you can get sanctions from banks and the government because you have violated the regulations.

When someone deposits money and withdraws a large amount of winnings, it will make the bank feel suspicious and will investigate your account. Therefore, they should look for other solutions rather than being subject to sanctions from the regulator. So far, people who gamble using crypto have used crypto, so they don't need to use their bank accounts.
885  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Risk management and responsible gaming on: December 22, 2023, 03:08:59 PM
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Agree with you, financial management is very important to limit and regulate us in gambling and not only that, self-control is also important to perfect it, so that the two are interconnected to reduce or prevent us from becoming addicted to gambling. If people are addicted to gambling, I think it will be difficult to get out of that zone.
Self-control in gambling is responsible and disciplined behavior in managing time and limiting finances when gambling, so that we do not spend too much money and experience big risks in gambling. Smiley
Yes, with financial management, we will not be dragged so deep into gambling and can manage the money we have so that we will not instantly spend all the money we have. The self-control that we continuously practice can help us to prevent more losses in gambling so that we will only enjoy gambling as entertainment. We also will not experience gambling addiction because we have the things needed to gamble.

We realize that if we have experienced a gambling addiction, it will be difficult to overcome because it requires a strong desire from the gambling addict and also help from other people. The more help they get, the more it can help gambling addicts survive the healing process. And by continuing to undergo the processes, they can get out of gambling addiction, but this will take a long time. For this reason, when playing gambling, we really have to be able to manage the risks so that we don't experience problems like that.
886  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 22, 2023, 02:47:19 PM
Taking out loans for business purposes is quite common and personally, I don’t think it’s that bad. Thinking about it, taking out loans for business purposes is sort of like a gamble cause whatever investments or business the loan is being taken out for could still come out as a loss.

If you consider a business a form of gambling, then you should consider a whole life as a form of gambling too. Everything is gambling. You go out without knowing if you will die outside or not. You just gambled with your life. You start riding motorcycle without knowing if a truck will hit you and you may never come to your house. You gambled with your life again! Isn't it?

Taking loan for a business isn't gambling. But yeah, it depends on what business are you talking about. It depends on how much is the risk ration in particular business. We don't know which business are you talking about. Everything is gambling indeed!
You will have a short, medium, and long term plan when creating a business. If the business owner wants to take a loan to start his business, it has risks, but if he can control the risks, he can run his business and manage the risks. But if someone takes a loan to gamble, it is risky because no one knows when that person will win. He may be more likely to experience more losses than wins, so he doesn't need to take out a loan to gamble.

When we are gambling and experience defeat, we must be able to get rid of the thought of borrowing money from other people because that might only increase the number of losses we will receive. We also have no chance of winning from gambling so that it will pose a greater risk. We also have to return the borrowed money that we receive from gambling, so we should be really careful with borrowed money and not use it for gambling.
887  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: December 22, 2023, 02:14:04 PM
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Yes, it reminds me of a professional athlete who needs to constantly stay in shape otherwise equally strong players will try to unseat him. Instead of training in the gym, a professional poker player needs training on a poker simulator with a detailed analysis of the hand or with a coach who will share subtle secrets with us. Also, for an athlete, muscle mass is important, while for a poker player, a flexible brain is important.

Yes, what matters to them is not winning in the first place, but how the process of achieving this occurs. This is the key idea. While an ordinary player has only winning in his head, and then everything else, such people will never be able to win.
Yes, that's what someone has to do to become a professional in their field. If a gambler wants to become a professional gambler, he must train his skills well to improve his abilities. And by continuously practicing their skills, they can become professional gamblers. But it can also make aspiring professional gamblers addicted to gambling because if they don't train themselves well, they will just keep practicing it without stopping.

And it wouldn't be worth it if they had succeeded in becoming professional gamblers, but they also became gamblers who were addicted to gambling. So those who want to become professionals must be careful and always pay attention to their self-control so that it doesn't weaken and they can continue to train their abilities.
888  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you have a "gambling problem" which you can sometimes control for years? on: December 22, 2023, 01:47:21 PM
People say they gamble for fun, I don’t. I love the adrenaline rush that comes from winning. Gambling hasn’t affected my personal life in any way. That’s because I don’t gamble above my means. I’m a football fan and hardly miss weekend bets on matches played. Its easy to bet on football because I know the players, I know the teams and I know the leagues. Even if I lose, it’s familiar territory and I know I can get a win next week.
If you prefer the adrenaline rush of gambling, you must have good self-control because, in gambling, many challenges can make someone forget to control themselves. It can make them gamble beyond their means, but limiting your gambling activities is very good because I don't think you will gamble beyond your means. This gives you the ability to control the amount of money you use so that you don't lose too much.

And if you like football betting and have good knowledge, you can win every match. It will allow you to win some money from sports betting. So please don't have any problems with gambling, and I don't have any of those problems either. I consider gambling to be a place to have fun.
889  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers should not believe in first game win trap on: December 21, 2023, 10:56:06 PM
Maybe this kind of thing refers to the phenomenon where gamblers are trapped in the wrong mindset that they will continue to win after winning the first game. This could be a winning streak or a belief that their luck will continue. However, keep in mind that gambling outcomes are generally random and independent. Winning or losing the first match does not provide a guarantee that subsequent results will follow the same pattern, in the sense that each match or round must be considered as a separate event that is not affected by previous results. Gamblers who fall into the trap of thinking that they will continue winning after an initial win may continue to fall into risky behavior, placing larger bets to win larger amounts of profit.
This can happen to some gamblers who have a mindset like that where when they win in their first gambling game, it makes them think that they can win again in other gambling games. But that cannot guarantee that they will get another win because what often happens is that someone who gambles on another day or in the next gambling game will experience defeat. Even though some people can still win on their second chance, they will also feel the loss, and if they don't realize that this is what gambling is, they will only experience more and more losses.

So that gets many people trapped in situations they couldn't have foreseen. And that makes them decide to keep trying it in the next gambling game or another day while still having that mindset. If they could realize that it was a mistake, they would not gamble so often and would just think that gambling is not something that they think can give them an easy win.
890  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have any one had experiences with banned bank/providers because of gambling? on: December 21, 2023, 10:23:55 PM
I have never had an experience like that, but perhaps there is activity that the bank suspects, so they block your brother's account. Perhaps the bank doesn't allow its users to deposit money on the gambling platform, so the bank blocks your brother's account. There are many things that banks can do with someone's account. You should continue to ask the bank or your brother as the account owner to find out what happened.

If gambling is prohibited in your country, it goes without saying that one should not deposit money into gambling platforms. The bank will block them if they use their bank account to deposit money on the gambling platform. How is this case progressing? What happened to your brother's account?
891  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What's your view on this? Is it fun or addiction? on: December 21, 2023, 10:00:49 PM
When people get used to placing bets, that's when they start to get addicted to gambling, and they don't realize it at all because of the fun of placing bets with their friends. And if it becomes an obligation for them to follow it, at that point, they will become addicted to gambling, and unfortunately, it has been going on for a long time, so they don't realize it. But maybe some people have realized that this has become a new habit and has also become an addiction, so they try to suppress their gambling addiction and limit their betting activities with their friends.

These people rarely spend their weekends with friends and prefer to gather with their families. They just try to limit their gambling activities so that they don't become addicted to gambling. And people who don't place bets too often every weekend can have fun because they know their limits in placing those bets. Maybe it's just to enjoy the moment, but when it turns into a habit and obligation for them always to be present and place bets, they become addicted to gambling without realizing it.
892  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Risk management and responsible gaming on: December 21, 2023, 09:33:53 PM
We think that risk management is insanely beneficial for those players, who are feeling irresponsible about gambling.
Risk management is very necessary for every gambler to limit their gambling activities and avoid large losses. They don't need to use much money just to gamble because gambling is just for fun, and they don't need to try too hard to win. Let the win come to us so that we only need to enjoy the gambling game, and when we have had enough gambling, we will immediately stop gambling and will not think about continuing to gamble.

We have to do this to prevent us from experiencing gambling addiction, where there are already many gamblers who are drawn into their gambling addiction without them realizing it or being able to get out of gambling easily. They will just continue gambling without any strong desire to stop gambling.
893  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling and Behavioral Change!!! on: December 21, 2023, 04:40:25 PM
Does any of feel behavioral change in you based on the win/loss in gambling. Myself had experienced it, and personally I used to be happy and I used to be polite with my family members and kid whenever I am on profit. On the day of losing it changes exactly in the opposite way, even for simple things I get much anger. Particularly while giving food to kid patience is must. On winning days I let him take his own time and eat. On the losing days I used to shout at him. I'm addicted, and I want fellow gamblers to make a self analysis at regular interval and be on the safer side.
Of course, every gambling player has changes in behavior when they win and lose. This is natural, because we humans definitely have expressions in a game. When we win, our expression will certainly be very enjoyable, in fact we will go on a spree. When we lose, we will become angry with everyone, including our own family, some even get serious to the point of violence.

That's why many people say that every gambler must be good at controlling emotions, including controlling our behavior when we lose so as to avoid things we don't need to do. Emotions are normal but don't take it out on your family, win or lose, our behavior towards your family remains normal, that's what is called a responsible gambler.
Yes, this is a normal thing that many gamblers have experienced because whatever results they get from gambling can influence their behavior towards the people around them. The people closest to him will feel it, so they will wonder what's wrong with that person and perhaps ask about it slowly. If that person can talk about what he has experienced from gambling, perhaps the people around him can help him to return to his behavior so that he will not be too affected by what he gets.

Usually, a person's behavior will change drastically when he experiences loss. Whether it's a big or small loss, it will have an impact on him, and some people lose a lot of gambling and eventually turn into angry people. Some people can still be patient when they experience loss, and nothing changes with them, but more people change their behavior because of the losses they experience from gambling.
894  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: December 21, 2023, 04:07:28 PM
I would still differentiate between a successful player and a lucky one. Luck tends to run out and rarely lasts very long. Usually these are small moments. I would call a successful player a professional who has a clear strategy that allows him to have income over the long term. Of course, luck as an element of this can also affect success, but it is not of paramount importance.

I would call a successful player partially dependent, because success is achieved by working on oneself for a long time, and a professional will not be able to achieve this success if he does not experience passion and interest in the game. Therefore, I would call it a controlled dependence, when it is necessary the switch turns on, and when it is not necessary it turns off, if you understand what I mean.
I don't think that people who are successful in gambling rely on new skills to win. I still consider luck to be an essential factor. I agree that he has a very good skill strategy. He controls himself in gambling.

We cannot call successful people addicts, because sometimes he only plays a few games and he wins big in gambling. Only those who are successful and continuously gamble uncontrollably are considered addicted. But success also makes people forget that he was also addicted to gambling.
But successful gamblers also need skills, and they even learn new skills to be able to win. Even though learning new skills takes time, they are willing to spend the time to improve the skills needed to gamble to win. And we have to know that when he learns new skills, he can still control himself in gambling because he knows that it is important for him to maintain.

We also don't know for sure whether successful gamblers are among those who are addicted to gambling. But they don't seem to be addicted to gambling because they have better self-control than most gamblers, and they also know what to do if something doesn't go as they expected. Those who are successful in gambling can remain in control while gambling without having the desire to chase after winnings if they win because they know it will only make them forget themselves.
895  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: December 21, 2023, 03:43:59 PM
Slot games must be used as a place to have complete fun and never hope that you will win the match, slot games must be treated like that, because if considered as a place to make a profit, it is like betting on sports or cards.

I agree with you that slots are a game that will definitely make you lose, and it is true that people will lose more in slot games, that is a certain thing, in any casino because the system is the same, so losing is something you have to accept, budgeting Money is of course money that you have to be prepared to lose, and never want it back, because that will only increase your losses.
That's what we should do when playing slots because if we keep trying to chase wins, we could lose more money and go bankrupt overnight. But many gamblers don't think about this because they still see that slot games can give them big wins, so they keep trying hard to get that big win. They should be able to realize that slot games can drain all their money in an instant without being able to win a small amount of money.

Perhaps they can win some money, but compared to the amount they lose, there will be more money lost than money won. We must be able to accept the losses we experience, and there is no need to try to recover from those losses because we could experience even greater losses. Instead of experiencing bigger losses, we should immediately stop playing slots and rest, which is more important than continuing to gamble.
896  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can Gambling affect your relationship? on: December 21, 2023, 03:21:48 PM
It really depends on how you work out your relationship but major reasons of partner's misunderstanding is when one of their partner is involved in gambling activities, worst is being addicted into it. Disclaimer, there's nothing wrong in doing gambling but it's a different matter if your partner is already addicted to gambling and it affects your relationship especially when it comes to time and money. If a person doesn't want to take the negative effect of gambling, He should be responsible enough to avoid such trouble and disappointments from your partner and family.
Misunderstanding is something that often happens to many couples when they find out that their partner cannot control themselves in gambling, so they get angry and cannot control themselves until, finally, a fight occurs between them. If his partner is addicted to gambling, he must be able to get him out of gambling as soon as possible before things get worse and his partner cannot be helped anymore. This requires time, money, and sacrifice from him to immediately save his partner because otherwise, his partner cannot avoid even bigger problems that will disrupt their relationship.

We have to protect ourselves so that we don't lose control when gambling and can enjoy gambling as we should. But if we are worried about losing self-control, we better decide to really reduce our gambling activities until we finally stop gambling completely. It will be better for the couple because they have avoided bigger problems to build their relationship.
897  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Success or Fail? - Talking about Gambling as a major income on: December 21, 2023, 02:51:28 PM

 and don't use it as motivation for us so that we can be the same as our friends, because we might get luck in other places such as work or something else. and in my opinion someone who makes gambling their main income will not always make a profit from every gamble they make. they should not make gambling their main income.

Yes, it's good like that, but in fact there are still many who only see other people's wins and they will be motivated to get the same thing, namely victory too. Although everyone's experience in casinos is different, there are people who have good experiences when they win and there are also people who have bad experiences when they lose. From this it can be concluded that the results of gambling cannot be predicted by anyone. And if there are people who think of gambling as a place to make money, then immediately realize that this thinking is wrong and get up to make real money, namely by working elsewhere (on land).
Someone should seek their luck from other places or work because we can find ways to make more money. If they continue to use gambling to make money or make it a source of income, they will only be disappointed because they will not succeed easily. And they can also use more money even though it will not increase their chances of making money from gambling. If they only look at what other people make from gambling, they will only be tempted to try it because they think they can make it. It will only make them deeper into gambling, and eventually, they will become addicted to gambling.

And instead of being able to make money from gambling and making it a source of income, people will only experience more and more losses. They must realize that it is time for them to reduce their gambling activities to save money for other needs. And they should stay focused on looking for jobs that can make more money.
898  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Slots 101: Basics, Strategies, and Discussion (with poll) on: December 21, 2023, 02:29:28 PM
Haha that's easy logic mate, when they have the original version with a maximum multiplier of 5000x and provide a new version with a maximum multiplier of 15000x meaning the difficulty level is 3x higher it is an easy logic that we can understand. I have tried all these games and I do not recommend you to play them unless you understand that the risks are higher than Hacksaw games, I think Pragmatic provides this game to fulfill the desires of gamblers who like to hunt for high winnings and we know that high win hunters will prefer to play at Hacksaw and Nolimit City providers rather than Pragmatic but now the Pragmatic provider want to take part from there, if I owned Pragmatic then I would do the same  Cheesy
I feel that currently most pragmatic games seems to be harder to win big, not only the new ones with higher max multiplier but also the old ones with 5000x max win. Maybe I'm just unlucky or maybe my luck is ended in Pragmatic since I had better luck few years back at the early stage when they have just released Gates of Olympus. I would say that to hunt higher multiplier is better to play hacksaw or push gaming than the new games by pragmatic.
Winning large amounts of winnings from the Pragmatic provider is very difficult. I tried to avoid it for a while because of the difficulty of getting the big multiplier. But I think in the last few months, there has been a change in many slot providers. Previously, I could win from the Play'N Go provider, but now I can't win even though I tried playing it for up to 300 spins.

I also feel this from slot providers Hacksaw or Push Games. But we realize that this slot game requires luck to get a big multiplier that can give us big wins. And I think slot game fans will continue to try it because they still want to hunt for big wins from big multipliers.
899  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who says you can't be a millionaire in sports betting? on: December 21, 2023, 01:58:17 PM
What can you say about this? Are you willing to risk your $18 to win $18k, or a million in PHP pesos?
I am always responsible for my gambling emotions and don't get moved or enticed by the interesting and appreciative games played so, I can't risk my $18 on such instead I would rather make stakes according to my gambling budgets and of course stake according to my faith.
It would be good if you could be responsible with your gambling emotions and not be tempted by the interesting gambling games you see in the casino you use. This is very important because even though you have the opportunity to earn a lot of money, you cannot have self-control. It will be useless because you will still experience loss and spend all the money. Many people are willing to risk $18 to win $18k, but they don't think that losing $18 can make them forget themselves and still try to chase and get $18k. It would be a waste because they could use more money while they couldn't get that $18k win.

If they want to earn $18k, they might be able to learn skills that can be used to play skill-based gambling to increase their chances of winning. If not, they don't need to try too hard to get a big win because they might get disappointed because they can't get that big win. Especially if they risk a lot of money to chase that big win, which many have tried and most have failed.
900  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: December 21, 2023, 01:36:51 PM
For sure the percentage of gamblers that records more winning than losses are very minimal and are also patient gamblers because when they play and lose they will wait for some time or even the next day before they continue but some desperate gamblers will continue till they've exhausted all their money but notwithstanding, it doesn't really mean they can make gambling their career as there are other works or jobs they do that fetch them reasonable amount of money then they use gambling as fun and they start recording more winning than losses.
More gamblers experience losses than wins. That is clear and certain because gambling requires luck and analysis if they bet on sports betting. They can't win if they don't have those things, so even if they use more money, they will still lose and won't be able to win. Many gamblers are discouraged because they experience a lot of losses, and it is their own fault that they cannot determine how long they gamble until they have experienced a lot of losses. That is why people have to forget about their intention to build a career from gambling because it is not easy and requires a lot of things before they can make money from gambling.

They should look for a job that can pay them so they can build a career and have a steady income source rather than looking for it through gambling. Most people will just fail to make money and also build a career in gambling, so those who haven't started yet should be able to think straight and don't need to try.
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