ugh....  
I said i'd stay away, but this topic is getting bumped to my "updated topics" all the time, and i was tempted to take a (hopefully last) peek. What i've read triggered me to make a (hopefully last) post in this topic.

I see the OP has moved on from unproven claims to baseless accusations: OP, what's with the 1337 5p34k (for the normal people, like me: "1337 5p34k" = "Leet Speak", like saying F3ds instead of feds, or Int3rpol instead of interpol)?
No, i'm not a member of any law enforcement agency... I'm not an agent of the FBI or Interpol. I wouldn't tell you if i was, but i'm not. I'm a community member, and i care about people that might be tempted to use your service after reading (potentially) false promises. Believe me, if i was a law enforcement agent, i'd keep my mouth shut and let you make promises you can't live up to, it would make my life a lot easyer...
If you claim to be sending out "fresh" coins, but in reality you're just re-cycling unspent outputs from previous clients (like i think you're doing, but i'm unable to proof this without a shadow of a doubt), your new clients might be thinking they received funds without any history, while in reality they're just receiving tainted funds from somebody else.

This isn't that big of a deal, like VOD already said: fungibility... But still, if you claim to be delivering a service, you should deliver said service... It doesn't matter if the service you're actually providing is fine: If it's not what you promised, it's not OK. If you wouldn't have made those big claims, i wouldn't be pummeling you...

Before i continue, I want to address the following statements you made about me when you said (and i'm quoting you):

• "Nice try btw trying to fish for details, btw are you guys int3rpol or the F3ds ?" => already addressed this issue... I don't know any F3ds or int3rpol, are they hacker groups? If you mean law enforcement: also no...
• "trying to shut us down by looking for reasons ?" => the reason is pretty simple: i do not believe your statements and you don't want to prove anything, giving reasons that are basically smoke and mirrors for not having to prove your statements. But even if i don't believe you: why do you think i could shut you down? If you did your homework, you should be running on a bulletproof host in a safe country, so nobody could shut you down... The only thing I can do is analyse your client's transactions, point out flaws and ask for explanations or proof (which i'm doing right now, and eventough you say you want people to point out flaws, you're not taking criticism well i'm afraid)
• "because we are truly cutting the trails ?" => if you are, prove it
• "feel challenged ?" => why would i? Because i'm in chipmixer's campaign? I'm not the owner of chipmixer, and they do not censor me... As a matter of fact, over the last 3 months, i clearly remember looking at 2 other mixing methods and vouching for them... If the mixer is good, i'll say so... If it looks like smoke and mirrors, i also speak up (like in this case)
• "because we are different from other mixers ?" => How? Do you really expect us to just take your word for it? That's not how this community works.... "Don't trust, verify"
• "and there is no way of tracking the mixing ?" => Wot? I only saw 1 person i truely trust (TryNinja) posting 1 transaction after he tested out your sevice and i tracked it over 100 levels deep... It was one of the simpelest traces i've ever followed. What are you talking about?
• "Nice try" => thank you... But i'm not even trying here... Sure, i'm putting some effort into my post, but that's about it. I didn't even have to log into the server running my node, since the trace was so obvious following it on blockstream.info was good enough.

So far, I've seen following statements passing by (i'm paraphrasing):

• You initially claimed to have >5000 BTC, but this was debunked and you passed it off as a communication error (it's your partners that hold these funds, you only have 50 BTC at your disposal)
• You claim to have 50 BTC at your disposal, but you don't want to prove this, claiming it would hurt your customer's privacy (eventough anybody who mixes their funds trough you will immediatly know the source of your funds... Making me believe you don't want to protect your customer's privacy, you just want that mixing fee... The price of your customer's privacy is a 3% fee...)
• You claim to use "fresh" coins, but no matter how deep i dig, i can't see a coinbase transaction. You claim this is because these coins get mixed, split up, aged... But if you're mixing these coins with other funds, it defeats the purpose of delivering "fresh" coins, and aging and splitting wouldn't hide the fact you're using coinbase transactions. Merely aging and splitting would still allow me to find coinbase transactions, which i don't... Hence I think you're not using "fresh" coins at all. I must admit I haven't followed all traces, but i followed quite a few... And i found: zip, nada, nothing, nihil... If i was looking at the wrong outputs: prove it... TryNinja posted his tx id, it's out in the open without other people having to pay the 3% fee to start analysing (not like that would stop law enforcement), so go ahead: starting from tx id a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a SHOW me the fresh coins TryNinja payed for!!! He says he payed ~20% in fees (in total, including transaction fees, but not counting any merging fees or re-mixing fees) PROOF that he got worth his money... That's what you owe your clients: not claims but verifyable facts... SHOW him
• You claim you cannot prove your partners funds because it would hurt their privacy: you cannot have a cake and eat it to.... You pay your partners, your customers pay you: you should be putting your customer's mind at ease, not cover for your partners. The person ultimately paying deserves the truth... As for your partners: I don't see why they cannot switch coinbase addresses and not use an OP_RETURN in one or two blocks. It would take them mere minutes to setup, and if they do so, nobody could ever track them down... There is no way of knowing who mined a certain block UNLESS the miner re-uses the address that gets funded by the coinbase transaction OR if he adds an OP_RETURN. If they put >700 coinbase rewards at your disposal, i don't see why they couldn't mine one anonymous block and sign a message with the new, previously-unused address that got funded with the coinbase reward. They're making money with this enterprise, the least they can do is put 10 minutes of effort in... Unless they don't exist?
• You claim (and i'm looking at/quoting VOD's post) "to have a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address". Interesting... .Please tell us the technical details.... Because, if i look at TryNinja's tx id, it looks like you're just using a nested segwit wallet. Even more, his tx id debunked quite a few of your claims... The pattern i see is really obvious: a chain of transactions generated by a nested segwit wallet. Each time, the change unspent output is re-used: clients get payed and the change goes to a new nested segwit address. The change funding this nested segwit address is used as an input for the next client's withdraw. If you have more than 1 client (or if the client gives 2 output addresses) we're seeing a batch payment (send to many). For the top-up it's also always the same, about ~1 BTC flows in, coming from mixed types, looking like a rag-tag of unspent inputs being combined, exactly what i'd expect as an input from your customers (but that's just an assumption, not proof)... Doesn't matter how far i dig, no "fresh" coins are being used

For what i'm concerned, without any evidence to the contrary, what you're saying is just smoke and mirrors... Coinbase rewards cannot be hidden, transactions are recorded on the blockchain, and it's always possible to see which unspent output has been used as an input for which transaction, so it's always possible to follow the transaction chain back to it's origin. Well, except if you start using things like coinjoined transactions, but that's not the case here.
Since coinbase transactions cannot be hidden, it's ALWAYS possible to discover "freshly" generated coins. In the end, if you go far enough back, you'll always end up with a coinbase transaction, but if you have to dig >100 levels deep, i wouldn't dare to call it "fresh" coins. 10 levels, sure... 20 levels, maybe... 30 levels, no way...

I do have one additional question, and i truely hope you answer it honestly: are you the developer, or did you buy this script from somebody else? In other words, are you defending your own work, or are you defending work that has been done by a thirth party?
Do you understand the claims you're making, or are you putting your trust into somebody else?
Also, do you trust those "russian and chinese" miners, did you verify them? Or could it well be some random dude on the internet selling you dirty funds while telling you he is a miner that has mixed, aged and split his coinbase rewards, pocketing some money from your customers in the process?

I realise you're in a tight spot: you have a business and you want to keep on running it... 2 longtime community members are starting to nitpick and ask you to "put your money where your mouth is", and you're in a spot where you either have to give proof, admit you were wrong (intentionally or unintentionally) or keep on spewing out smoke and mirrors. So far, you have chosen the latter.... I don't see your business having a bright future this way, so i'd kindly give you a suggestion: switch strategy.... There is a (small) chance i'm wrong, and you (or your dev) are really good at your job and succesfully made it look like TryNinja's mixing output was one thing, while in reality it was something completely different... It's possible, but everything i see point the other way... PROOF me wrong.... If you give concrete EVIDENCE i'm wrong, not at one of my assumptions but at every assumption i've made about your service so far, and i'll publicly state i was wrong in this very thread, and maybe even in your trust feedback.

Now, I hope you don't start slinging new unfounded accusations my way... I don't want to deal with you, but i also don't want baseless claims to stand unchallenged, potentially harming new members of the forum that only read your last post(s).  If you have proof, show it... I'm not interested in more smoke and mirror stories as to why it's impossible to prove anything. The bitcoin protocol is well described, the blockchain is easily parsable. Nothing magical happens here, everything is very clear and readable. There is no hocus-pocus here. Sure, there are smart ways to handle mixing, but i really don't think this is what's going on. Trying to discredit me or start a rambling about things that simply cannot be or things that are easily provable (but you won't) don't change a single thing

Well,

If i'm able to follow your story, you moved your funds from localbitcoins (which is a real site, it is known for locking accounts, but they are real) to a scam site. This means that the scammer has the private key for the address that's currently funded with your money. He (or she) is the only one who can spend it.

I think there is some miscommunications: nobody can hack bitcoins, with some exceptions due to flaws in wallets. In this case, they don't hack bitcoin, they exploit a flaw in a wallet to steal from somebody else, but they're not actually "hacking" bitcoin.

As for JenelaFDB: it seems she is promoting some new service... The domain they're using is quite old, but it seems like google cache and the wayback machine don't have any pre-existing data about them, making me think they're new...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2884270;sa=showPosts
What she says makes some sense in some ways, but in my experience i've allmost never seen an unknown scammer (like yours) getting caught. Big ones, public ones, the ones that used a real company under their real name in order to scam people: sure... They end up behind bars... But small websites using fake company's under fake names, using whois protection on some bulletproof host: allmost never... Not for the lack of trying, but because it's allmost impossible to track them down.
Most scammers use a mixer, a coinjoin transaction or exchange their BTC for XMR. They also tend to keep their "earnings" for a long time, and tend to withdraw them from sketchy exchanges in different country's. It's possible they use a fake identity, but there are sooo many people exchanging BTC to FIAT on every given day, that it becomes impossible to know who is the scammer that scammed you.

I'm going to give an IRL situation: a bank robber is stealing money from a bank. The bank manager says: we always write down the serial numbers of all banknotes we have, so we will catch the robbers when they deposit our notes using a fake identity.... Sure, this is true IF and only IF the robbers don't wash their money trough a network of little stores first. If they do, sure, they'll still deposit stolen money, but it won't be the same bills they stole from the bank earlyer. Sure, if you knew exactly who to look for, you could arrest them, but you don't know who to look for: $50.000 was stolen from bank x on the 1st of januari, and some unknown dude is depositing $45.000 of laundered on the 1st of may in a bank in a different country, there is no way of connecting them.
In the crypto ecosphere it's even easyer: you don't need a lot of small stores, you just need to use a mixer. Everybody could do this, it's very easy and cheap, so there's no reason any real hacker wouldn't use them.

I'd be carefull using new services... I'm not saying they are fake, i'm just saying that i don't know them, and a lot of scammers prey on people that are new in this community. It's not unheared of that scammers target scam victims. Once again, i'm NOT saying this is the case here... I'm just telling you to look out not to get scammed a second time.

Just a quick tip for next time: switch wallets to a decent, non-custodial, desktop (or hardware, or paper or airgapped) wallet that supports rbf.

As far as i know, blockchain doesn't support rbf, by switching to a wallet that allows opt-in rbf, you could have made a 1 sat/byte transaction and bumped the fee in case it started taking to long to confirm... But this is just a tip for next time

Ok, I keep making exactly the same point, and your explanation is defenately not good enough for me.

You keep saying that the way your mixer works makes it impossible for clients to discover other client's funds, what i see is one unspent output being re-used and re-used and re-used in transactions with one input creating >= 2 unspent outputs. Since TryNinja told us that his 2 addresses were funded with the same transaction, I can only assume you're batching transactions to save on fees and you are using one wallet to pay out your customers. It looks a lot like you're topping off said wallet from an unknown source, maybe an exchange, maybe dirty funds from previous clients, but it defenatly doesnt look like coinbase rewards to me.
Offcourse, it's possible most of those transactions are internal transactions created to hide traces, but the way they're built, the mixing of the script types, the number of outputs,... makes me believe i'm right... Especially since TryNinja's both addresses were funded using exactly the same transaction.. It would be an incredible coincidence if his addresses were funded using one and the same transaction, making it very easy to link them together, but other client's privacy would be well protected?

You claim this source is "fresh coins", but no matter how deep i dig, i cannot find a coinbase reward popping up. You're selling "fresh coins", not mixed coins. On the other hand, you're delivering mixed coins, not fresh coins, period.

When we talk about dust, i think we're using a different definition, that's why i put dust between quotes... When i talk about dust being used to top off your wallet, i'm talking about transactions like this one:
https://blockstream.info/tx/7e2191784780c350b607c42fef384711976a9ea11b7b71338ccb36c4c302e1e2
This is one of the transactions topping off your wallet... 39 unspent outputs being used, none of them actually fits the definition of dust, but i was merely talking about the fact this is a transaction is just merging a lot of smaller unspent outputs together... Like, for example, outputs you got from your previous clients??? None of them are coming from a mining reward, that's certain. Once again, this could be a smart move from your part, but if i dig just one level deeper i see this transaction is funded with unspent outputs like this one:
https://blockstream.info/tx/78eb2a595bd24020194c78d89e469f1ef9d0ff69c61565f9f4eb62ed0f6eba49?output:2
funding p2sh, native segwit and legacy addresses, making it look like it's a payout from some service or exchange... Defenately not a miner. Once again, this could be a smart ruse, but i doubt it.

Now, my conclusion is very simple: you're not selling fresh coins. Either the algorithm is (at best) very similar to the other mixers out there OR you've found a way to make the transaction chain look exactly like a mixer using one wallet that's topped of from an unknown source (defenatly not a miner) to pay out his clients while in reality using some super-smart algorithm to actually protect your clients and your sources in a super-smart way.
I cannot prove what you're doing one way or another, but with the absence of any proof of actual coinbase rewards being used, and without proof that transaction chain is more than what it appears to be, i can only say the odds are pretty big that my assumption is correct.
Once again: no proof... I'm just saying that this is a classic example of occam's razor:
source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Occams-razor

This isn't a problem per-se, other than the fact that it's false advertisement to tell people you'll be using coinbase rewards (fresh coins) but in reality you're using the same algorithm as many of your competitors.  Honesty goes a long way, dishonesty can ruin your business. Nobody would have cared if you opened yet another mixer, but people do care if you promise to do something more than what you're competitors are doing, but you fail to prove this in any substantial way.


I will leave you with an in real life fictional fiat equivalent of what you CLAIM to be doing:
I'm going to the philipines next week and I want to bring 5000 euro's cash with me. I've heared that the president of the philipines is very hard on drug offences, and i know most euro bills have traces of cocaine on them. Since i don't want to be arrested, i only want to bring certified clean money with me.
I meet you on the street. You tell me you have a hook up at the central bank that can provide you with 100% legal, freshly printed, never used 20€ bills... You tell me that if i give you 5100 euro's of my potentially cocaine-carrying euro bills, you'll give me 5000 euro's in never used bills in return.
The day arrives, I give you 5100 euro and you give me an enveloppe back. When i'm home, i open the enveloppe and find 4900 euro's in old, used bills.
Since you gave me an anonymous email address to contact you for more business, i shoot you a mail to complain... A couple days later i get following response:
"yes, i had 5000 euro's in sparkling new bills, but i wanted to protect my source at the bank, so i took those bills to the local coffeeshop (a dutch shop where they sell cannabis products). I gave him the 2500 euro's in new bills, and in return he gave me 2400 euro's from his cash register. I mixed those 2400 euro's with 2500 euro in new bills and gave them to you...".
Why on earth would you do this? I payed to get 5000 euro's in new bills, not 2500 euro's in new bills and 2400 euro's in bills that have even a greater potential of being tainted with drugs. I cannot take these 4900 euro's to the philipines.
What it actually looks like you're doing is even worse: you never had 5000 euro clean bills. You just used old bills to give to me, pocketing 200 euro's.

Now, i'm pretty sure you'll twist this post around and find new ways of saying exactly the same thing... I'm going to step out of this thread since it's pretty clear you're not interested in showing any kind of proof, hiding behind the fact that you say you want to protect both your miners and your customers.
I personally think it would be pretty trivial to produce evidence, even if it means you'd have to re-clean a small portion of your funds... But hey, it's up to you if you want to be trusted or if you want to be yet another sketchy mixer that's only being used by people that know little or nothing about this ecosystem.

Piece out

Sorry, but i don't see a flaw in sending directly minted coins... If your miners use a fresh address to get funded by the coinbase rewards, there is nothing to trace or compromise... If You would have used the coinbase reward and payed mixing outputs using this reward only i wouldn't have been able to trace back > 100 levels deep, my trace would have stopped at the coinbase reward, and i would only have been able to link the clients that had been payed with the same reward together, but now i would have been able to link every client that has been payed > 100 levels deep...

You say that the freshly minted coins are "broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged". This basically means that the people using the (thirth party) mixer used to MIX their coinbase reward received freshly minted coins... Your customers just receive post-mix unspent outputs that could potentially be linked to criminal activity instead of mining... This makes you a normal mixer, not a mixer where your clients will receive coinbase rewards.

Your business promises people "fresh coins", not outputs from a different mixer.

I personally don't think it's weird...

You either have to save your wallet.dat (for example, bitcoin core). If you lose your wallet.dat (or your passphrase) you lose your funds.

Or you save your actual private key (for example, older paper wallets). If you lose your private key, you lose your funds.

Or you save a seed phrase (for example, most SPV wallets). If you lose your seed, you lose your funds.

Or you trust somebody else, and you forget the old saying "not your keys, not your coins".

Only the last option doesn't require you to be your own bank, this requires you to trust a thirth party for 100% and goes against the very core of bitcoin... There is no middle ground, being your own bank means you have to make sure you're in controll of your own private keys... So yes, this also means you have to make backups of wallets, make copy's of paper wallet or have to write down your seed phrase...

If he's betting on a price rise, he's much better off taking the amount of FIAT he'd have to spend on a company that would recover his data and exchange this amount to BTC directly... He'll end up with more BTC in his wallet than if he'd pay such a company >$500 to recover $500 worth of BTC

It's the same argument from miners i've seen before: some miners used to keep on mining at a loss (just electricity-wise, not even writing off their hardware), because they were betting on a price increase... Instead, they should have turned off their ASIC's and invested the money they were going to spend on electricity by buying BTC on an exchange... This way they would have had more BTC in their wallet than if they'd continue to mine...

here's the list of bitcointalk rules: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

Please read rule #4 and edit your post accordingly

You are MUCH braver than I am... I'd never use my own funds to test a new mixer
Anyways.... Let's get cracking...
level #1 => transaction a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a used as input:
9840051b37ae9e979526fb744c6ae222eeee0aafdad176400c82dcbf55a65733:1

level #2 => transaction 9840051b37ae9e979526fb744c6ae222eeee0aafdad176400c82dcbf55a65733 used as input:
8b09f9702a90270769872af44bc5f6db1d7658b48ac62e1d50ebc7d1df6c8f46:2

level #3 => transaction 8b09f9702a90270769872af44bc5f6db1d7658b48ac62e1d50ebc7d1df6c8f46 used as input:
746d1dfb24afd3c4322f003b9c78a21f062ee307ed970fbc043d98ee4655201c:1

level #4 => transaction 746d1dfb24afd3c4322f003b9c78a21f062ee307ed970fbc043d98ee4655201c used as input:
a88c84f418796d540615ca6b4acfc1ed2f23460430b0d6640e615fc1a04d4a80:1

level #5 => transaction a88c84f418796d540615ca6b4acfc1ed2f23460430b0d6640e615fc1a04d4a80 used as input:
5f357c4369d74f38f8a7230b497b5a7c20741a97c3744571422407d7dca70f05:1

level #6 => transaction 5f357c4369d74f38f8a7230b497b5a7c20741a97c3744571422407d7dca70f05 used as input:
83ea3e871ecc9cec72c498f3d8698646c9aa9bdef82dd3991bbc58bfd49b6e0f:1

level #7 => transaction 83ea3e871ecc9cec72c498f3d8698646c9aa9bdef82dd3991bbc58bfd49b6e0f used as input:
317c506231050fb91e28280879341c558ae13721526e3da5c40f8bcd0b9c0993:0

level #8 => transaction 317c506231050fb91e28280879341c558ae13721526e3da5c40f8bcd0b9c0993 used as input:
8bad716ea8b1d939cc65ef0755c9a4cdda16b0e214777c048306803660f07079:0

level #9 => transaction 8bad716ea8b1d939cc65ef0755c9a4cdda16b0e214777c048306803660f07079 used as input:
790b6b5288ee7aa8f461cc508a0cd66df759cf942d28e73fd2b36eb1ab9fb32b:0

level #10 => transaction 790b6b5288ee7aa8f461cc508a0cd66df759cf942d28e73fd2b36eb1ab9fb32b used as input:
18a6e8f710c4940fee550d391a0d6866f28d055e4c64ba9345a911b46500f485:0

level #11 => transaction 18a6e8f710c4940fee550d391a0d6866f28d055e4c64ba9345a911b46500f485 used as inputs:
1c622ba3a6ded9f180bbf8635f0ff5cad7f64bf863a89d01da9be3e54ba96524:0
33e5ba37967cd58803f2590eb7654ad52e16ba47563d2585fa163f46f04c290a:0

level #12 => transaction 1c622ba3a6ded9f180bbf8635f0ff5cad7f64bf863a89d01da9be3e54ba96524 used as input:
a81ee1934b2cc6b68aa939a964dfaa399f6b9ff9b55f8087ef722a0514547bd2:0
level #12 => transaction 33e5ba37967cd58803f2590eb7654ad52e16ba47563d2585fa163f46f04c290a used as input:
b6bf82a4e70a23d98897399c798c336e984a85a9b3871b63d37ead9b2270ef37:1
ff6a05c3173e32af280b37ad0cd6c65e0d0a9610f0305db5876da1a98a0414d4:1
933cd00f6e5180433817f705dd6e1570813c4844ea7cbed22c068638a6b96cd4:0
0577a3d5424646e55bac15bd8f9dd099920caee72e5dfd1086afdbb63ff1bcd4:0
c272a7b16eabf04b0306d837a584b1d447ea6130be8c7538244fb87297b018d5:1
51cc1e615cb6e374cf4d7b7e474474621c7ea6ed6ee814809e105381a22f4dd5:0
b6e996d68692dd3da2707ba2b4e07cc5f6607e30753c151431014c57a4a696d5:1
2a5813d2ff438ca7625826fc387961a457e1738643fb63ef1d8f1af199d04dd6:33
2e5a7d68c091176b819eeb4ac36237d5c7c2890fa41350a717df425c60989fd6:0
4ad980c1ce1c95393136c4c36da035bf6425465f4d0ab759fbbd7ba7016fccd6:0
bf080035ff8f7106f2efb2cbbc67a0f0492da7848d3e89525d6b818b43662fd8:0
42cb94dee128fb1dded2fd279cf8ce303ffbea89254420b2e025aadf579a47d8:0
c1830baa88e307a07ac61e1b2a6ee45a25e787409027065ffe9f1f86caf592d8:0
29c6607a28c4b70555ac96f6793d1928c30662e7f187c239214b5dad8f8199d8:0
4871c4d1a6e4880576289947cfb8b2e28db4a16b089209dde859fc5bf8220ad9:0
c3e338e90d582a653be31931d7a72315dabb21271df0d957e8cf7e1aba3016d9:0
1c963fd0959f748d09bbc72b687f2d471f1965247cbfa17ae7f7cca2cd7da1d9:0
6471334c1ad153f054158a8b6dc584d984b79fcd82a3fb4950dafcd3717ad6d9:0
cbfd628721e0a6d9dde57ec8e03491dbba51ebd06ee677f8a64b7b55b9ce62da:20
39f4537e0fdf241502b3aaea7f7735b9f95788aec8261f13e0019550f86c98da:0
9a192cf2658e83a8a506001de0f5f7ecd4f6c3acc9478af033823352a11547db:1
=> I'm not going to analyse the inputs of tx 33e5ba37967cd58803f2590eb7654ad52e16ba47563d2585fa163f46f04c290a  any further... It's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

level #13 => transaction a81ee1934b2cc6b68aa939a964dfaa399f6b9ff9b55f8087ef722a0514547bd2 used as input:
a24728190eb23b8d0b32da6a6659677920e45fe5fbb35219973c73c4b9c6492b:0

level #14 => transaction a24728190eb23b8d0b32da6a6659677920e45fe5fbb35219973c73c4b9c6492b used as input:
bfbf788c735112a890e7759e73cc82eadcf15ee06a8f9d715a76fb7fa6ca7d8e:0

level #15 => transaction bfbf788c735112a890e7759e73cc82eadcf15ee06a8f9d715a76fb7fa6ca7d8e used as input:
d38134311a4d333fec9a247515edcd86c02510013c9bc4d5f6c467c777a32065:0

.....
level #27 => transaction 2f513ec3e30c2886ded6ed71813035ebd508c0d69f01246a20067a0c55246254 used as inputs:
d23219401019cf9194c189df40ee3dcac8e4f65eafa51f060edec4b19fff0a64:0
40c4f80e9d974044ab577c94b25e7094f2ea51320879c521d7e68dd2f0409580:0
transaction 40c4f80e9d974044ab577c94b25e7094f2ea51320879c521d7e68dd2f0409580 at level #30 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 7 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

......
level #42 => transaction 0f38f1513a3a5d4e964ffa532d4c81d24d1f2ca584d2754ef03be3fa972ce0f7 uses as inputs:
1c175b876e397430ca886531c2736509c2ecbafa49b594774f7e6181bd35d601:0
1bbd8e351dd457fd4c0b475a2bbc264d63848aa418c2227524742cec42e7d8a5:0
transaction 1bbd8e351dd457fd4c0b475a2bbc264d63848aa418c2227524742cec42e7d8a5 level #43 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 22 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

......
level #71 => transaction 31aa98b7bbc21561b94e332f3309fc208962339fbe1b8b934f75b816b37e8826 uses as inputs:
d22f7f5225bb3765f94141d0b922798f61999f527692a5aed59ccb1408d1d139:0
44781f270777a69f5404b83dc18981bf7f11f21b0d6c4ba100cbca21cc0da187:0
transaction 44781f270777a69f5404b83dc18981bf7f11f21b0d6c4ba100cbca21cc0da187 level #72 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 25 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

......
level #93 => transaction 4fadec75ca27f594560a84ee8b78f4fbea507227126fb286e8efca9897c73240 uses as inputs:
3c453a898adf98e1fa2688f16109acd6b96853a6784994089d6f2faa7a4e9de2:0
7e2191784780c350b607c42fef384711976a9ea11b7b71338ccb36c4c302e1e2:0
transaction 7e2191784780c350b607c42fef384711976a9ea11b7b71338ccb36c4c302e1e2 level #94 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 39 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

level #100 => transaction 4b9848889b60ce6c1311ebb8c43341a91560a20b35fc836dec926e349fd354ca

The pattern is clear:

• one unspent output used to to batch pay multiple receivers, change going to a change address.
• unspent output funding change address used as input for the next batch payment
• when the value of the unspent output funding the change address becomes to little, the wallet is topped up with ~1 BTC. Not frenshly minted coinbase rewards tough, but just a big transaction merging "dust". I tried following some transaction chains from these merging transactions, but no coinbase rewards either

OP: are you sure about your chinese and russian partners? For a 20% fee you should be???
If you promise your customers they'll receive their mixed funds in coinbase rewards, i shouldn't have to dig 100 levels deep, and still not find a single block reward...

At this point i'm tempted to call your business model debunked... If you can proof you're actually using coinbase rewards, please do so... Because i don't want to be accused of blackmailing you i don't want to see the proof tough... Find somebody else in case you want to make a valid case.

The criminal uses one coinjoin, mixer or non-KYC exchange to a privacy-coin and all those firms are worthless.
Sure, if you're faced with a dumb criminal, transactions can be tracked... But this is rare, very rare.
I've been around for a long while, and the odds somebody falling for a scam like this gets his funds back are allmost nonexistant.

It's a different case if a big exchange or person that used to have an IRL presence goes scam, but in this case, i would refrain from giving the op false hope.

Now, look at it from our perspective: you're asking us to risk $25 on your mixer, spend $3-$4 in tx fees, pay a 1%-3% fee to you, end up with a small unspent output we'd have to remix afterwards since you're brand new and i personally wouldn't trust you to keep my transactions private (yet)... And we'll have to make this effort, pay these fees and risk our funds to give you a free review?

Sorry, but that's not how it works...

I take it you won't take my proposal... That's fine, no problem...

So the statement on your site is false? You don't have >5000 BTC, you just claim to have the option to buy >5000 BTC and claim to hold ~50 BTC but are not willing to prove said statement.
Just an idear, but why don't you give a couple longtime forum members a couple bucks to test out your service, let them check if the funds they receive from your service is indeed coming from a coinbase reward. I'd be willing to do this AND give you back whatever output i get from your service (minus mixing and transaction fees). For me it's not a way to make some money, but rather a way to verify your claims without risking my own funds...

by the way, it's completely up to you if you take me up on my offer or not... No pressure... Just an easy way to prove part of your claims...

euhm... Stop right there... You're mixing up a lot of things here...

Bitcoin is bitcoin. It has nothing to do with erc20 tokens. Erc20 tokens are transferred on the ethereum chain ONLY.
The ONLY relation between bitcoin and ethereum (and the erc20 tokens on ethereums chain) is that you can exchange bitcoin for ethereum (or for tokens).

It's like being able to exchange cash for a piece of gum. They're two completely different things. You should not chew on coins, and nobody is going to be happy if their wage is payed with bubble gum

I'm not a big gambler, but i do enjoy such games from time to time


Bitcointalk username: mocacinno
Rank: Legendary member
SatoshiHill.com Username: mocacinno
Review: Good
Detailed Review: Like i said, i'm not a big gambler, but this one was quite addictive... The layout is pretty basic, but it works flawlessly on my android phone and my windows pc. It's a petty the chat was blocked for people that have less than 50 games, but i do see the reason why you'd do such a thing.
I didn't immediately see where i could adjust the color scheme, maybe that's something to add?

Edit, added following text to warn people, since this was the first post on the OP's announcement thread i could edit
--start edit--
WARNING: As of today (26th of july 2021), whalemixer's owner has not been online for 8 days. During this time, 2 people claim to have been scammed by this mixer while at the same time NOBODY reported a succesfull mix (a 100% failure rate)!!!
The mixer itself displayed several red flags even when he was still "mixing" (for a lack of a better term), but at this point i would consider any funds sent to this company to be lost forever!!!
Please, do yourself a favour and do not use this service, at least untill the owner pops up and starts solving the scam accusations!!!!!!! I would not recommand this mixer, ever, but at least stay away untill the owner fixes his procedures!!!
--end edit--



I do follow VOD... You claim to hold 5280.01 BTC. At the current block reward,( since the block reward + fees at this point in time are ~7 BTC/block) you're claiming to controll the coinbase rewards of ~750 blocks.
That's an extraordinary claim and "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" (source: Carl Sagan).

Just for our piece of mind, could you sign a message using the coinbase address of one or two blocks? It won't proof you're actually holding > 5000 BTC, but at least it proofs you have the knowledge and means to get your hands on coinbase rewards.
I realise that those coinbase rewards can no longer be used for your customers, but what is 7 BTC if you're holding 5280 BTC, especially since those 7 BTC could start building you some community goodwill?

If you want to re-use those funds, you can even send the proof to one or two trusted community members instead of posting it publicly...

Is what quite important? Decrypting the private key? In that case: no it's not important as long as you don't want to spend your funds.... If you want to spend your funds, it's not *just* important, it's absolutely necessary since i don't know any wallet that'll decrypt BIP38 encrypted keys for you.

Maybe it's a good idear to clarify your question a bit more, cause i have no idear what subject you need detailed info about.

You don't own the private keys for the addresses that were funded do you? The scammer owns them... So no, there is no way to get those funds back just by knowing which address was funded...
Sorry to be the barer of bad news, but that's just the way it is i'm afraid...

Either the scammer gives you your money back (wich is higly unlikely), or law enforcement catches him and forces him to refund his victims, or your money is gone... There is no other option i'm afraid.

Sure... I'd be happy to help
It's been a couple of years since i last solo mined, but i'm pretty sure i'd still be able to get everything setup.



I've seen people scam for cents... I wouldn't be supprised if somebody analysed a picture to rob a student out of a couple bucks...
What if the price skyrockets? What's only worth a couple bucks now might be worth a couple hundred in a couple of years... What if this picture still floats around by then?
Never share your private keys, never put yourself in a position where you might have shared your private keys... They're private, keep them that way, even if it's only for a couple sats.

First of all, Kudos... We need teachers teaching these basics...

As for mining, not even the testnet will do... The last time i looked, the testnet had a difficulty of allmost 226M, wich tells us the hashrate would be somewhere around 1600 Th. An old ASIC won't be good enought to actually solve a block with that difficulty....

As for pool mining: what are they actually learning? They get work from the pool, solve some shares at a very low diff and get some sats in an online account... I'm not sure if they're learning all they can learn from that...

My advice, go for the DOGE or Litecoin testnet, setup a DOGE or Litecoin testnet node, solo mine, actually show them the debug.log and the stdout of their cpu miner, let them chose the address that'll be funded with the coinbase reward, let them move funds around from a core wallet to an SPV wallet to an airgapped setup, to a paper wallet, let them see their transactions in the mempool, then show them how they ended up in a block...

As for giving them some sats: sure, why not... But you could setup the mining rigs to mine after hours, and stick to mining testnet DOGE/LTC during class hours.

By the way: it might not be a good idear to take pictures of your students holding paper wallets... If somebody is able to read the private key, or restore the qr code, they can rob your students, unless you used encryption and a strong passphrase...

8 inputs, 2 outputs @ ~100 sat/vbyte should result in a fee of ~0.0013 BTC
So this doesn't really explain your problem.

Do you see the feerate that's being used?
The problem must be one of the following:

• An incorrect feerate is being used
• No all unspent outputs are being used as an input for your new transaction

Maybe a dumb question, but you're running the latest version of electrum, checked the signature and you are connected (a green button is shown at the bottom right corner), right?