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901  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Prove me wrong: Gambling is both more relaxing and entertaining than trading! on: December 17, 2023, 11:53:40 PM
First of all, I don't know much about trading, I don't know that learning about trading takes a lot of time and that is something that has to be very delicate because it can have a lot of theory, and I hardly have time to learn something like that, I do. What I do is read articles from traders who are famous, from people who have been in the market for years and who give their opinion, many of them post their analysis and I could learn something from there, but there are many things, I don't know what they are. the best of the prediction tools because there are many, and I couldn't decide.

The casino is not trading, and the trading is not the casino, I am not Going to start trading by guessing as if I were playing in a slots, and the slots are pure luck and that is like a lottery, for me the casino seems perfect because I know it's luck, you don't have to think much, in trading you have to think a lot, consider many things that happen in the world, it's like a lot of Information.
Learning to trade takes a lot of time until you really understand it, and many cannot go through the process because the changes in the crypto market occur more frequently. They have a lot to learn as if it is a never-ending journey, which causes many people to experience boredom in learning to trade. But if they keep learning to change because they want to make a profit, they will see the results in a certain time, making them even more active in learning.

Meanwhile, gambling is an entertainment that you don't need to be too serious about learning unless you really want to make money from gambling. But it won't be easy because you will still have to learn the things needed to play gambling. If you want to place bets on sports betting, you must have analytical skills. And if you want to make money from card games, you must study them until you really understand them.
902  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts? on: December 17, 2023, 11:32:45 PM
What that start gambling addiction is not about people that do not understand probability. When I was addicted, I understood everything and how I can lose, but I want to earn and make daily income from gambling. I thought I was better and looking for ways to earn money from it, but at the end, it was not a good story at all and I had to quit gambling for a year. This makes me think that others that are addicted is because they want to make money from gambling, looking for different strategies to increase the probability to earn than lose as I did when I was addicted but still nothing worked out as planned but losing money frequently.
You can not be addicted in gambling and also have other experience of escape root, and secondly in gambling once youa re addicted in gambling what you will be think is the process whereby you can be able to recover what you have spent so far in gambling, so addiction will make you to think that gambling is a source of living or source of life, so gambling have a spirit and once you start gambling you will definitely be thinking to make or win millions with gambling
If they only think about winning millions by gambling from the start, they will experience disappointment because gambling will not give them that easily. They will lose more than they win at gambling games, even until they run out of money. They can get money from gambling but cannot get the winnings every day because more losses will come than they think. That's what will make them deeper into gambling until finally they become addicted to gambling, and they don't realize that they are addicted to gambling. If they want to make money, they should look elsewhere and not from gambling because that won't work for most people, so they shouldn't try too hard to get it.
903  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I'm after a gambling site for ufc betting that accepts bitcoin on: December 17, 2023, 11:11:12 PM
You can find a list of casinos you like from the thread shared by @Apocollapse. But the problem is that many people who have just joined a certain casino, even a trusted casino, immediately use big money to gamble, which can make the casino suspect them. You can join any trusted casino, but you have to control how you use your money first and don't immediately use big money to gamble.

Perhaps people think that if they use big money and win big, they can immediately withdraw large amounts of money. But the casino will be suspicious and ask you to do KYC, which many people who have just joined are reluctant to do.
904  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Type of gambling and Intelligence on: December 17, 2023, 10:56:40 PM
I don't think so. It depends on which gambling games people want to play. A person's level of intelligence does not determine the type of gambling game, but to play it, a person must understand how to play it. If they play poker, blackjack, or baccarat, it is not that someone's level of intelligence is higher in playing the gambling game, but based on their level of understanding of how to play it. Likewise, if they play slot games, keno, dice, or gambling games that are easy to play, each person will determine which gambling game they want to play. Some people really understand the game of poker but like playing dice or slots, and it's based on something other than their level of intelligence.
905  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you wrap up your gambling session? on: December 17, 2023, 10:37:22 PM
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Before when I still used to gamble frequently, I stop when I felt that I had too much. Some people stop depending on the amount of profit/loss they have experienced but in my case, my determining factor is when I feel drained on every session. Perhaps profit is still the main factor that drives me to stop but I just usually call it a day and accept the consequences.

In the case of my brother, regardless of the result on whether he won or not, he would always treat us something either he gives us money or he cooks food. He believes that in every game of gambling, there is something that he must do proactively just to keep his mind busy.
It's good if you can stop gambling when you feel like you've gambled too much because usually, what happens is that a gambler will have difficulty controlling, especially if they've lost too much. They want to recover their losses and think that if they continue gambling, they can have a chance to win in the next round. So they continue their gambling game and hope to win even though it is still difficult for them.

Each gambler must be able to determine when they should stop gambling to avoid losing a lot. But many gamblers still cannot feel that they have lost a lot of money and want to recover their losses. It would not be advisable to continue doing so as it would only cause them to lose more money.
906  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you wrap up your gambling session? on: December 13, 2023, 09:44:17 PM
Every time I gamble, I will finish and close my browser window. I didn't just leave it because I thought it might make other people who saw what I did become curious. There is no specification for how long I will spend gambling. But if I feel like I've been in the casino too long and I've lost quite a bit, it's time for me to stop and log out. I also still want to avoid losing a lot. Apart from that, I also played gambling for only 20 minutes, and that was because all my money had run out until there was nothing left at all. That made me want to deposit some more money to be able to continue gambling.
907  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are you Spending more or less money on Casino this Holiday season on: December 13, 2023, 09:18:38 PM
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it makes more sense to buy something that is more useful for the family and can feel pleasure together without having to be selfish in feeling pleasure yourself.
I mean if a gambler gets a bonus and uses the bonus to gamble on the grounds that holidays only come once a year but in the end he will only feel the sensation of pleasure alone because he is the only one gambling while the family doesn't know about this and the family also needs fun together. even though gambling sometimes brings good luck, this effort is not very good because if you use a larger budget, if you are not lucky, it will trigger high emotions and even the family can become an outlet for their emotions because they lose all the money.

and the best way is just as you said, it's better to use the bonus money to buy something that the family can enjoy together and actually the family doesn't need a lot of money to be happy but being able to gather together during the holidays is like happiness that doesn't need to be paid for with money. so that the bonus money you get can be saved for future savings or for your child's future.

but I still think for those who live alone without a family and get a bonus from their work, they will definitely use the money to gamble, spending all the money for the happiness of not having a family and it seems like it's not happiness that they get but just an outlet for the sadness of not having a family.
If they can use the bonus money well and only to make their loved ones happy, that will be a good thing because they don't use the money for gambling but prefer to use the money for their family. Indeed, getting this bonus can be a moment to buy the things they want, but they have to remember that which is more important in their life. And they should think about their families rather than gambling because they can still gamble with or without the bonus money. If they use it to increase their capital in gambling, perhaps they will experience great disappointment because they will experience loss, which could cause them to lose all their money.

Saving the bonus money is also one solution that they can use to avoid wasting money on buying things that are not really needed. They will think twice or more if they want to use their money because they remember that in the future, they may need more money to meet their daily needs. They can use the money to have fun by hanging out together and spending time together.

If they live alone, they can invite their neighbors to accompany them when they are alone. There are definitely many people who want to do it, especially if that person is already famous for their kindness. But if he only thinks about gambling, especially after getting his bonus money, he will miss the opportunity to be with his family.
908  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you regret also for ever knowing about gambling? on: December 13, 2023, 03:50:23 PM
I don't regret knowing about gambling. When I've had bad losses I don't blame it on others because we are all responsible for our own actions. I consider gambling a fun hobby. Certain people might have a propensity for addiction. In that case they should acknowledge when they have a problem and modify their behavior to avoid causing financial harm that can be difficult to recover from.
It's good if you don't regret knowing about gambling. We can only try to use gambling as entertainment. With the various methods that we use, we can definitely provide something more useful that can curb the thinking of those who still often think about gambling. And if you consider gambling as a hobby, you have to be very careful because it does not guarantee that you can win from gambling. And that's the attitude we have to be aware of when playing gambling so that we can use gambling as entertainment.

And we don't need to blame the person who invited us to gamble because it was completely our responsibility when we decided to gamble. We can also refuse it if we don't want to, but most people will think that it's okay to gamble for a while. But in reality, this actually makes them even more interested in gambling and using more money.
909  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A hero or a fool? on: December 13, 2023, 03:22:07 PM
What do people call someone who has no self-control over what they are doing? Gambling is what he started by himself, and by right, he is supposed to be able to practice self-control. Although he's decision was not a bad one, if he actually banned his name by himself, then it's just a means he took to help himself from being destroyed by gambling addiction. It's actually true that some people gamble so badly that they could end up in the streets; that's after they might have sold all their belongings just to gambling. I will not classify him as a hero, but he took a wise decision for himself.
But there are still many people who cannot exercise self-control, so they still experience a lot of losses from gambling. Perhaps they still underestimate this issue of self-control so much that they don't really want to learn it, even if they have experienced loss before. But if they are really serious about stopping their gambling activities, they will definitely look for all the methods they know and do them. And in that case, we can learn something new to be able to stop gambling activities. It may seem like forcing the person to stop gambling immediately, but perhaps he feels that this is the only way he can really reduce his gambling activities and even stop him from gambling.
910  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: December 13, 2023, 02:41:56 PM
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And over time, this becomes a problem not only for the irresponsible player himself, but also a problem for all his close people.  First of all, he begins to lose a lot of money and often this money represents part of the family budget.  And there is one more aspect - such a player spends too much time in the game, that is, he does not engage in any ordinary everyday activities at all.  This means that other family members must do something useful for him.  It turns out that the harm from an overly gambling player is multiplied by several other members of his family.  Naturally, all these family members become dissatisfied and irritable. 
And it all ends either in scandals, or in divorces and the destruction of the very family of such a gambling player.
You said it correctly because that is exactly what happens to people who gamble irresponsibly. They will lose a lot of money without being able to recover their losses and even if they use more money, it will not always work. Gambling is not a place to make money. If there is no benefit from gambling for them, they do not need to gamble and should be able to leave gambling to look for other activities that are more enjoyable. Having a strong desire to leave gambling is what can help him to quit gambling. So it will all feel easy if they have the desire to stop their gambling activities. And it will feel even easier if there is help from those closest to him who can give him encouragement to stop gambling so that he doesn't feel alone in stopping his gambling activities.
911  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Success or Fail? - Talking about Gambling as a major income on: December 13, 2023, 02:11:50 PM
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the mindset of someone who is more advanced will definitely think that having money is better to open a business to earn daily income rather than using it to make money by luck, whereas anything related to luck will definitely lose more often than it earns and for me it is better to make $1 every days from the business we build versus wasting $1 every day on gambling. unless you have a gambling budget from the remaining daily money it probably won't be a problem.

mindset is very influential in terms of earning income because if we make the wrong decision using the money we have, it can be bad in the end result, whereas gambling always depends on luck, even smart people will lose to lucky people.
so that no one should ever be tempted by other people's winnings because he is lucky and if you look at the facts his luck is not equal to his losses.

cultivate a positive mindset, eliminate thoughts about profits from gambling because it is impossible and prefer to start a small business with the budget you have to get a steady income that is less risky than looking for income from gambling, which is very clear, gambling entertainment venues are not a place to look for income.
They will focus more on using their money for things that are beneficial to them and will not try to make money from gambling. Maybe they can still gamble with limits, but they will remember that they are preparing something that can provide them with income, so they will immediately stop gambling and will return to focusing on their business. He will only gamble in his truly free time and will not pin his hopes on making money from gambling.

That's why a person must be able to have a positive mindset that can help him use gambling as entertainment and not try to make money from gambling. They will also be careful in making decisions, especially if it involves gambling, because they cannot depend on gambling. When playing gambling, they are also aware that they need luck, so they will not force themselves too hard to win because it is difficult to obtain.

We must be able to learn to have a positive mindset so that we can control ourselves from things that are less useful and will not try to make money from gambling. They prefer to look for other ways of making money because that could give them the opportunity to really realize what they want, namely making money.
912  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling all about luck? on: December 13, 2023, 01:40:26 PM
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Either way, luck or not, people will always play. Both are in play though.
So it is up to the person how he will manage his bankroll when in front of his games.
Because the truth is, it is your money and you are the one responsible to take care of it.
Getting fun or not, it is your decision to play. So long you are not harming anyone, and you know what you are doing.
Yes, that's correct. That should be his responsibility when playing gambling. Gambling only provides facilities to everyone who wants to gamble, and it all depends on each person how he can make the best use of gambling. If they lose their responsibility for gambling, it is their fault, and they have to fix it because no one else can help them except themselves. But with many cases of people losing at gambling, it should be able to make them think that they don't need to gamble too often. That can cause them to experience loss, and they should not hope too much for luck because luck will not always come. So gambling really requires luck to win.
913  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who should quit, and why? on: December 13, 2023, 01:17:37 PM
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in this scenario it makes more sense than what the OP said, the husband and wife are gambling, but looking at the OP story, it seems like the husband and wife dont have children yet, so they spend their time as they please just gambling and this will have a bad impact in the long term and is completely me supports your argument about it being better to immediately become a parent for your children, which means it is better to stop gambling and start planning to build a harmonious household with small children in the house so that fun or happiness will come from your children, not from gambling anymore.

I realize that maybe the husband and wife who gamble spend a lot of money on gambling, they only keep themselves busy looking for fun so they just need something else that can give them other happiness to stop gambling activities and the presence of children in the family will be able to change everything but all that It depends on a husband mindset whether he has a goal of living with his partner happily together without gambling and if the husband realizes this he will start to stop gambling and force his wife to stop immediately and plan future goals to build a more dynamic household and thinking about her child's future.

whatever happens if a couple gambles, it seems like it will be very difficult if the wife has to start early because the husband is the head of the household so whatever happens it is the husband who must be able to set the best example for his family.
By learning to be parents, they can learn to be more responsible in taking care of their household, especially if they soon have children. With the presence of their children, they will make long-term plans to prepare their children to become good people. If they don't stop gambling immediately, there will definitely be problems between them because we know that someone who has been gambling for a long time tends to become a gambling addict. This is very dangerous for them because they may already be gambling addicts that they may not realize.

Married couples who gamble must be able to stop their gambling activities as quickly as possible before things get bad and they cannot stop. They also don't need to gamble to get pleasure because when they have children, there will be other pleasures that cannot be described. That's what they have to realize so that they can both stop their gambling activities. No matter how difficult it is, they have to keep trying, and if they don't have children, they can change their mindset to get pleasure from gambling because if they can get pleasure from their family, it will be more useful. At least family relationships will be more harmonious, and there will be emotional closeness between husband, wife, and children.

That's why both of them should decide to stop their gambling activities immediately, and it's not just the husband or wife who stops gambling but both of them. That could give them the opportunity to change things for the better. And if they are going to have children, they can focus more on educating their children.

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Every parent will certainly set themselves as an example for their children, so it would be better for them to set a good example for their children about good things, if they as parents carry out bad habits it will certainly make their children imitate those things of course. We as parents will not want this, so it would be more important to eliminate these habits so that their children do not copy the bad habits of their parents.
Raising our own children will certainly make us know more about our development so it would be better to stop gambling and take care of the family we have because this is a responsibility for both husband and wife.
If a husband and wife can set a good example for their children, their children will also follow and imitate them because their children will definitely remember the guidance from their parents until they grow up. This requires awareness from parents to be able to pay attention to this problem because, after all, gambling will not always provide opportunities for them. Children may become aware of their parents' gambling habits, so they may try to follow them. If their children indulge in gambling even without any restrictions, it will cause problems for their children. Raising children today is more difficult than it was a few years ago, so parents must now be willing to learn more about guiding their children.

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It is truly the responsibility of both the husband and wife to look after their children. This alone is a responsibility that must be accorded the children by their parents so in that case of both parents comes together to sort out things for themselves and decides to stop gambling, I think that would be nice because they would have time for their family and this would help them to save funds or using it for something good in the family or  providing for their kids because the funds that go in for gambling would be channeled or diverted for house use which would be of good advantage to the growing family. Maybe the gambling budget they already made could be able  to invest in it.
If a husband and wife lose their responsibility in taking care of their children and household, they can also lose their responsibility in gambling, especially since gambling can also cause them to lose large amounts of money. If husband and wife can stop gambling and commit to taking care of their children and household together, it will be more useful because at least they will make plans that they will carry out together. And the allocation of money for gambling can also be reduced for the welfare of their family so that they can make their family happier without anyone gambling.
914  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I learnt from a crackhead about gambling on: December 12, 2023, 11:17:49 PM
I have tried both of these things, but I don't think addiction will completely happen, but in my opinion, with drugs it will ruin lives faster. According to scientific research, dopamine is released faster when people use drugs, but basically, if we are an addict, it will almost lead us to many mistakes in life.

Maybe a gambling addict will need a lot of time to destroy his life. I have also witnessed many cases in life where they are like ignorant people, immersed in the feeling of wealth from making money.

After all, once addicted, it is difficult for them to have a chance to do it again, so those objects are always seen as an image that helps us realize the wrong things in life. And sometimes I also think the cause is due to life circumstances when an individual is not brave enough to escape, and they are controlled and blamed for the causes.
Gambling can also ruin a person's life. There are many examples of what a person experiences when he has not gambled and after he gambles. Before gambling, a person had a better life. But after getting to know gambling, a person's life experiences a decline and changes from the previous one. He had nothing left because he had to sell his belongings to fulfill his passion for gambling. And it can happen quickly, especially when a person does not have good self-control, which makes him do everything in a short time.

But whatever his addiction, he can change his life from good to bad even if he doesn't recognize what has happened to him. He only saw that he no longer had anything, and even his life had changed drastically compared to before. That is if he has the awareness to see the changes, but most addicts cannot see the changes. That's because he will get deeper into his addiction, making it difficult for him to heal.
915  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are you Spending more or less money on Casino this Holiday season on: December 12, 2023, 10:54:53 PM
Just like the typical days, there's no season to me whether I'll add more money to get spent or I'll just use whatever I want.

That's how it goes with the funds that I have, the only thing that I want to do is to spend money that I afford to lose. So that I'll have no problems with it whenever I get on it on gambling.

And as for holiday seasons, it's true that there are bonuses and such but it doesn't matter to me as they're like just the same thing for the entire year.
Yes, I agree with you. Playing gambling is only about spending the money we can afford. Apart from that, we don't need to use more money. It's not because it's a holiday that it makes us spend more money, it's not like that because it means we will spend money beyond what we can afford.

And regarding the bonuses we receive, the bonus money is better used to buy gifts for family members or save for our needs in the future. That would be better because we make preparations for our lives in the future rather than just using it for gambling, especially since we already have a budget for gambling that we can afford.
916  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who should quit, and why? on: December 12, 2023, 10:35:47 PM
As a matter of fact, it is ideal that both couples quit when they start parenting. They both could draft out a quit plan for themselves which they could gradually hid to. Since they are two, the plan could be effective because they both would need each other as a reminder and that consciousness would be there that the are quitting gambling as a result of their family.
It's better for them, husband and wife because if they were parents, they would definitely be busier with their children. By stopping gambling, they will have more time to take care of their children, and that is not only a job for the wife but also a job for the husband. Even though her husband works, it is not a problem because the children are their children to whom their parents must give attention. By stopping gambling, this will give them the awareness that taking care of children is much more valuable than just gambling. It's not a matter of who should stop but rather responsibility, and that lies with the husband and wife and not just one of them.
917  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling all about luck? on: December 12, 2023, 10:17:52 PM
If we are gambling because we want luck, it will be a never ending argument on which one either we want luck or we just want to play to entertain ourselves. If we want luck, I think this the beginning of something like chasing the luck and we might end up overspending. 😅

Gambling is definitely dependent on luck because if I don't have luck, then there is no way to win at gambling. Gambling is not always dependent on luck but experience is also required. I think if a gambler participates in gambling with proper planning then it is definitely possible to win. I gamble myself luck and experience play the biggest role. Proper study is the biggest role of gambling in gambling which brings the luck of a gambler.

It's better for us to gamble to entertain ourselves, and who knows, we might get lucky, which can give us a win. By gambling to entertain ourselves and knowing that gambling can cause loss and loss of money, we will be careful in gambling but also want to enjoy gambling games. But if we chase win, we will experience losses that can be big, so we should gamble just because we want to have fun. Even though we finally lose, we have experienced today's gambling game and must immediately stop gambling before things get worse. We can gamble again another day with the remaining money we have or deposit more money to use for gambling.
918  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: December 12, 2023, 09:53:59 PM
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If they can't accept that outcome of defeats, then expect them to push for more. It's a self-explanatory situation where you are alone to decide whether to stop and take your break after losing or you will follow your emotions, thinking that by adding more money the chance of recovering is possible.

If you fail to control yourself, expect that losing a lot will be the next thing that you will think and regret instead of enjoying your game.
Yes, they will try even harder so they can win. However, they must know that if they try hard, it still does not guarantee that they can win at gambling. That will only increase the number of losses so that the risk of losing money will also be greater. If they are not ready for the risk and it can increase their emotions due to more and more losses, they should immediately stop gambling and not return to the casino for several days. They should also not think about recovering the money they lost due to their losses in gambling because it is also difficult to get it back.

If you fail to control yourself, it is best to leave the casino and rest for a while. It will make them feel better, and hopefully they will not remember the losses they have suffered from gambling.
919  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: December 12, 2023, 09:33:16 PM
I'd like to hear from those of you who have experienced this or are still dealing with it. Please share your testimonies.

Initially, gambling at work is never a good habit people should adhere to, but due to economic hardship and needs trying to meet the necessary demands, we happen to end up finding ourselves in such a situation, which is likely to boost or demoralize our performance at work. So for those who still gambles at work, I think it's high time we set priorities to things that matters most, as thou gambling is never a bad thing, but doing the right thing at the wrong time is wrong, and as such, gambling at a free time or during break time at work, is likely a good suggestion.
Indeed, gambling at work is not a good habit because there is a possibility that it will make us lose focus at work. Even though we only gamble during our work hours, it can also make us lose self-control, which can affect our performance at work. There is a possibility that the emotions resulting from losing at gambling will carry over when we return to work, and this will clearly have a bad influence on us. Moreover, we know that in gambling, many temptations can make us continue gambling even though we know we are working. That will only cause problems for us, which can also affect our relationships with co-workers. We should be able to see where we are and not gamble anywhere because there is a possibility that people who see it will join in gambling too, and if they don't have good self-control, they could lose a lot of money.
920  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Greed or risk on: December 12, 2023, 09:02:58 PM
When feelings of greed appear in a casino , this is what we should avoid playing , because it is very easy to see money as paper, as something that is almost worthless at the moment, what is sought when there is greed is to have more and more , to Sometimes you can forget that a person has to have fun and that money is very important, and money is what is needed most to be able to have the best of all things to have and win, but if you don't win, you have to accept, just that.

The risk that one Runs when entering a casino is great, or one can Deny that one can Give much more when one bets big, but I do not agree with betting big when one has almost no money, because that is losing, and if a person who has almost no money starts betting on irresponsibility at its best, then it is better to abstain from many things so that they can do well and not risk anything , that's all I can think of right Now.
That's the point of someone having self-control because they can control themselves so they don't become greedy because that greed will follow them when they gamble. And that greed will become greater when they win so that gamblers who have self-control will not be tempted to continue gambling and will prefer to stop gambling to be able to celebrate their win. They also don't want to take the risk of losing their money if they continue gambling, so they really limit themselves to gambling. They will gamble again later but will not continue gambling that day because they feel they have gambled enough with their money and it is time to stop gambling.

Risk will also follow a person when he starts gambling. The risk of losing will be greater, along with the desire to gamble longer than usual. But if he can control himself, he can reduce the risk of losing, and that is the limitation he can place when gambling. Betting with big money will only give him the risk of losing his money, and many people are not ready for this risk, but they still decide to gamble with bigger money at stake. They think that with that big money, they can win when that is not what will happen.
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