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921  Other / Politics & Society / Re: IDF are terrorists who bomb children in schools. on: December 03, 2023, 05:00:06 AM
Having said that I believe that every country in this world owes it's citizens the  right of protection, so if an external force attacks them in their territories, they have the right to defend and respond in equal terms. So on that I can not blame the IDF for responding to the killings and threats on their citizens, because if they don't greater calamity from the enemy can befall on them.
Palestinians aren't an "external force" in their own country that is currently occupied! That would be like saying "Russia has the right to defend itself inside Ukrainian soil that they occupy like Crimea"!!!

Just like Russians have no right to be in the occupied lands in Ukraine, the Zionist regime calling itself Israel, doesn't have any right to even be in Palestine let alone use any force against the Palestinians (whether civilians or the armed forces defending them such as Hamas).

In other words the Zionists are the "external force" that are occupying the Palestinian soil and killing people of Palestine. According to the international law and the United Nations charter nothing can impair the right of Palestinians from using any means necessary to fight against the invaders that are committing genocide in their lands. Be it in occupied Palestinian lands like Quds or the semi-occupied regions such as Gaza and West Bank.

922  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 02, 2023, 02:48:40 PM
The authorities will never declare a hunt of our BSV coin.
That's true. Their time and resources are too limited to go after shitcoins that nobody uses. The same reason why they never go after tens of thousands of other similar shitcoins that nobody really uses.
923  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC Sentiment Poll for December on: December 02, 2023, 02:10:18 PM
But BTC has been trending up.  Are we seeing crypto decoupling itself from the more regular, traditional markets?  And if so, how long could it stay in this state?
Bitcoin has never been coupled with traditional markets to decouple now. What affects bitcoin is the economy on a larger scale. For example when recession hits the global economy (like during COVID or in the past 2 years with the wars), people tend to liquidate their assets which means selling bitcoin and stocks and gold and ... so they all come down together but that doesn't mean there is any correlation between these markets. In other words people didn't panic sell their bitcoin because the stock market crashed for example. We have seen time and time again that when traditional markets tank, bitcoin doesn't care and it rises.

What I'm pointing out in my post is the economy in general is not looking good specially with energy market being too volatile and unpredictable. We have the conflicts in oil rich regions then on top of that the OPEC producers keep cutting production (they agreed to cut production by another huge amount, 2.2 mil bpd in January).

This create a chain of events. Higher energy price and shortage leads to higher inflation which the governments desperately try to lower by increasing interest rates which then creates recession (or worsens the ongoing recession) and at the same time high interests suck the money out of other markets into the government bonds (government pockets) because they become profitable.
That could potentially put a sell pressure on bitcoin and at the very best slow down the inevitable rise.

The only way I can see a big rally this month or next year is either if energy price comes down (to something like $30) or with high energy prices if FED stops trying to manipulate the market by increasing interest rates and let the inflation rise, in which case bitcoin would shoot to the moon in no time. Just like 2017.
924  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 02, 2023, 01:45:52 PM
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Democracy in the United States of America is slowly dying.
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Democracy died many years ago in US, but if that weren't enough the last nail in the coffin was during the events leading to January 2021 when hooligans raided the Capitol because of the orders given by their hooligan leader who was never prosecuted for his crimes...

out of fear of a Bitcoin Talk shutdown
If it comes to that I don't think they'd stop at shutting down the forum. There'd be arrests too... It wouldn't be the first time they do something like that either!
925  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: how to access from phrases only. on: December 02, 2023, 05:13:27 AM
Start by checking this topic: [overview] Recover Bitcoin from any old storage format so that you can tell us what kind of data you actually have because what you call "paper phrase" is unclear and isn't something we can help you with.
926  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 02, 2023, 04:39:38 AM
If there is a door to be kicked down, the authorities will eventually kick it down. That's the problem with centralization, which means the solution is to eliminate centralization (like what we did with Bitcoin). However, there isn't any solid progress in developing decentralized social networks, forums, etc. which is the unfortunate part.

CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets
This is the weird part to me since by definition these are also mixers and where functionality is concerned there is no difference between these and the centralized mixer mixing coins!
927  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Distributed Passphrase > Multisig? Poke holes in this. on: December 02, 2023, 04:11:45 AM
I personally have always viewed multi-sig equal to multi-party. Meaning for example 2 or 3 partners in a business each hold a key to a 2 of 3 multi-sig to be able to spend the funds together. That's where multisig signs best in my opinion.

For a single user, I'd stick to a simple single-sig setup with separate backups too. Specially when it is coins you want to place in cold storage and not touch for a very long time.

The only downside I see is that you generally don't want to keep or use a single private key (address), so what you actually backup is your seed phrase (that generates many keys you'd use). Considering there aren't any standard way of encrypting a seed phrase (as opposed to BIP38 for single private key) using a seed+password setup becomes complicated again compared to multi-sig where there are multiple seed phrases.

I'm trying to game out how to explain xpubs and descriptors and derivation paths to people who aren't technical.
There are certain things like derivation paths that end users don't really need to know. The wallet should take care of them under the hood automatically. Like what Electrum does.
928  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Mempool fees and Solutions on: December 02, 2023, 03:54:20 AM
The sha-256 is at a disadvantage to scrypt
1 block to 12 block
It is not SHA256 that finds 1 block per 10 minutes on average and Scrypt finding 12. It is the Proof of Work algorithm and more specifically how difficulty and difficulty adjustment is setup in the cryptocurrency that uses these algorithms under the hood. Otherwise there are shitcoins (copies of bitcoin) out there using SHA256 and producing more blocks per minute that bitcoin does per 10 minutes on average.
929  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC Sentiment Poll for December on: December 02, 2023, 03:50:19 AM
I'd say things have not changed much compared to previous months. The world is still struggling with armed conflict, high energy prices and shortage, inflation and recession. The effects of all that on the economy also affects bitcoin in a negative way preventing its rise despite the tremendous amount of potential it has for rise.

As if we didn't have enough wars, another battle started in South American. Another region where US is destabilizing! It also happens to be a very oil rich region called Venezuela.
930  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can save the USA and dollar on: December 02, 2023, 03:38:05 AM
Bitcoin can solve that problem the way that goverment will buy the bitcoin with printed money so btc price will be high and whenever the USA need to spend on military or something the payment will be done by bitcoins.
You should go check some numbers and come back. We are talking about trillions of dollars wasted on US war machine to murder people around the world. That is not something that bitcoin can cover.

Besides, the whole point of printing money out of thin air is to not have to spend money! If they want to acquire bitcoin they would have to first spend a lot of money and then have a restricted budget that they can no longer surpass. But with dollar they print trillions in a blinking of an eye to feed the regime's bloodthirst.
931  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: OFAC-Sanctioned Transactions Being Censored on: December 01, 2023, 11:38:51 AM
People aren't entering a new jail, it is the same jail as they were in before with a new name.
The goal of CBDCs is to eliminate cash and have everything electronic, and therefore have everything 100% traceable and 100% censorable. This is definitely worse than the current system, where you can at least escape some surveillance and retain some control by using cash.
That's true but my point is that we have been on this path of digitalization and full monitoring for a long time, even before the concept of CBDC was introduced. They are just trying to centralize it more and force it on the population under a fancy name. Otherwise in this day and age people aren't using cash that much already and majority of their transactions are already easily surveilled.

The current banking system doesn't have: 1) carbon credits, 2) social credit score.
Current banking system already has a record of all your financial activity that goes through them without having a fancy disguise for it and on top of that there is a massive database in NSA with your every move inside of it, your financial activity is the least of it. After all they have to use their tens of billions of dollars budget for something!

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They're "optional" only if you don't mind losing access to workplaces, universities, hospitals, cafes/restaurants (remember the QR/Green Pass?) etc.
THEY aren't optional, Bitcoin is. You have the option to choose bitcoin to exit that corrupt system and cut the hands that are in your pocket.
932  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Mempool fees and Solutions on: December 01, 2023, 11:13:00 AM
From the day Bitcoin was created.
In which criteria do we evaluate whether a transaction is beneficial, and to whom?
It is not about being beneficial, it is about using Bitcoin how it is supposed to be used.
It is trivial to recognize transactions that aren't. Any transaction that is injecting an arbitrary data into the chain by exploiting the protocol is abusive.

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Bitcoin should not be a cloud storage, not because it is somewhat disturbing to the nodes of the network, but because it is extremely inefficient and expensive. But, the protocol is designed in such a way that fundamentally allows storage of information beyond financial. Even if you completely disable everything that can be exploited, and therefore negate every future potential softfork, information can still be stored as chunks of 160 or 256 bits.
As I told you elsewhere, abuse is not 100% preventive but it is and should be made difficult. In this example of yours if the abusers are limited to only 20 to 30 bytes, we've already succeeded in preventing abuse to a great deal.

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Consider the implications of your argument. You suggest disabling op codes or introducing similar limits that permit the "exploit" of Bitcoin as cloud storage but advocate for allowing information storage through other means. This contradicts your initial statement, where the goal is to prevent Ordinals from being used to store arbitrary data.
I'm not suggesting disabling of anything, least of all OP codes. I'm saying the size restrictions that existed in Bitcoin before SegWit and before specifically witness version 1, in form of both consensus and standard rules have to be applied again.

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If you think that we are all "forcing" our gigabytes of transactions down your throat, then you should not be running a node.
Not transactions, but arbitrary data that is injected by exploiting the protocol.

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the equal treatment of all transactions.
Correction: The equal treatment of all transactions that are transferring bitcoin not transactions that are exploiting the protocol and treating bitcoin as cloud storage which is against the principle of Bitcoin.
933  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will the bitcoin network be affected if? on: December 01, 2023, 07:37:56 AM
The important thing to realize is that halving is a very slow process and it becomes less and less significant on each halving. That means for example in the first halving the reward dropped by a whopping 25BTC which is a huge decrease. However in the coming halving the reward will only drop by 3.125BTC which is a much smaller decrease.
And most important of all, it takes nearly a century for the reward to reach zero and speculating what the network will be like by then is moot.
934  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: OFAC-Sanctioned Transactions Being Censored on: December 01, 2023, 07:13:32 AM
Judging by this thread, there is some denial that CBDCs aren't necessarily a bad thing, in fact it's such a "good" thing that people will be "enthusiastic" to abandon physical cash in favor of CBDC! Cheesy

My disappointment arises from the fact that I have high expectations from Bitcoiners (unless they pretend to be Bitcoiners and in reality they're undercover feds)... they should not be so gullible.

CBDC is like a digital jail. Once you enter it, there is no going back to normal (as Klaus Schwab has said).
I wouldn't call CBDCs good or bad. They are what they are and that's not a new thing. People aren't entering a new jail, it is the same jail as they were in before with a new name. They entered that jail the day centralized banking was introduced and they went deeper into it as it grew specially with digital banking.

The centralized authority will hunger for more control and surveillance. The only thing that should matter to us is to preserve Bitcoin's principles so that we can keep it as that "exit option", not try to change the centralized world.
935  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you see individual satoshi becoming valuable? on: December 01, 2023, 06:34:15 AM
who would use bitcoin if it cost $339 per tx even at just 10sat/byte
It depends on how much $339 is worth Tongue
Considering how dedollarisation has been speeding up and how possible it is to see dollar value tanking hard, bitcoin reaching millions against dollar is not as far a you'd think. After all the current transaction fees of 1 sat/vbyte is about 300 in a bunch of currencies like the Colombian Peso Wink
936  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Valuation models on: December 01, 2023, 06:24:54 AM
APPROACH 1: TOTAL ADDRESSABLE MARKET
For instance, many people believe that bitcoin is competing with gold as a nonsovereign store of value.

APPROACH 2: THE EQUATION OF EXCHANGE (MV = PQ)
MV = PQ.
The definition of M, V, P and Q in both traditional monetary economics and cryptoasset markets.
let us assume bitcoin will process 100 billion transactions (Q) of $100 each (P) per year.
Both of these approaches have the same flaw. They see Bitcoin as a one dimensional thing they are trying to value. Bitcoin is multidimensional; Bitcoin is money so it can be used for payments which means it can not be compared with gold that is only store of value; at the same time Bitcoin as money can also be used as store of value so it can not be compared with currencies (fiat like dollar) that are useless as store of value because of their inflation.
This means both approaches are flawed in measuring bitcoin value.

APPROACH 3: VALUING CRYPTOASSETS AS A NETWORK
~If you consider a social network, such as Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn, for instance, its value when it has a single user is zero.~
Using the number of active daily users participating in the network, Alabi showed that the valuation differences between certain cryptoassets (he used bitcoin, Ethereum, and Dash) can be explained with a high degree of accuracy.
That's another flawed approach that only focuses on a single aspect of the much more complex Bitcoin.
Unlike social media, people don't have to use bitcoin every day for it to have a value. Remember the store of value characteristic? You can buy and hold bitcoin and that is demand even if you don't spend those coins for years.

On top of that, given the large historical volatility of cryptoassets—bitcoin, for instance, has had six bear markets of more than 70% in its history—the choice of the starting point can have a dramatic impact on the suggestion for current valuations.
That is volatility of price which has little to do with value.

APPROACH 4: COST OF PRODUCTION VALUATION
As a result, the value of each bitcoin can be estimated by examining the marginal cost of mining (specifically, the electricity burned in running the computations as part of mining) versus the expected yield of new bitcoin.
The “cost of production” analysis, however, involves some significant challenges. For one, it is circular in its reasoning because the decision made by miners to enter or exit the market is driven by the cryptoasset’s price. Using two necessarily cointegrated variables to value one another has very little predictive or explanatory power. The model also fails to account for or explain the massive short-term volatility of bitcoin’s price or the fact that bitcoin’s mining difficulty is programmatically adjusted on a biweekly basis depending on the level of effort miners have focused on it.
Unlike previous approaches, this one is no longer flawed. I wouldn't call it challenge either, this is outright wrong.
The problem is that they are still thinking in terms of something like gold and the "production cost" which is completely unaffected by gold price. For example if gold is worth $1 it still costs the same to extract it from the ground, melt it, etc. as in case it were worth a $1,000,000,000 because the process is not affected by the price (the incentive to mine gold is).

But when it comes to Bitcoin because of how mining (Proof of Work and difficulty adjustment works) things are completely different. If bitcoin price were $1, the cost of mining would also be low and close to $1 and if bitcoin price goes up to $1,000,000,000 that means the cost of mining bitcoin would also go up to be close to $1,000,000,000.
Note that I say "close to" not equal because of being decentralized and the fact that cost of mining is wildly different in different parts of the world (eg. electricity price from $0.0012 to $0.54) and other factors.

APPROACH 5: STOCK-TO-FLOW MODEL
I may be crazy but I always felt like they first created the price model then built their logic around that to explain why it works. Tongue
937  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Mempool fees and Solutions on: December 01, 2023, 05:46:23 AM
The reason pooya wants this thing banned isn't to protect them from their foolishness, but to lower the transaction fees.
Lower transaction fee will be a side product not the reason.
The reason why I want the Ordinals Attack be stopped is because it is exploiting the protocol and is abusing the system.

When did the Bitcoin community start evaluating whether a transaction is "beneficial" before deeming it valid or invalid? Beneficial to whom?
From the day Bitcoin was created. And why do people insist on making this about "benefit" and "usefulness" of the garbage? It is abuse. Bitcoin is not cloud storage. From day one it was created to be a payment system with a blockchain that acts as the ledger for those payments. When people use it to store arbitrary data (regardless of what that data is) it is considered abuse and should be prevented.

quite frankly you are deciding it has no value.
It has a lot of value and they are storing the "cure for cancer" on bitcoin blockchain. Is that good?
Now it should still be stopped because bitcoin is not cloud storage Smiley

I hated Andy Warhol's Campbell soup series back in the 60's I was a kid but I used to go to the metropolitan museum of art often as a family outing. I liked the Italian Renaissance painter and realism. I thought Warhol was trash and garbage.

Pretty loft opinions for a 10 year old Italian American from Brooklyn.

Well I turned out to be completely wrong about Andy Warhol.

So in that spirit I am just saying who the fuck are you or who the fuck is anyone to say it will be worthless in the year 2056 or 2066.
Did Warhol come to your home and force his "art" down your throat or nail them to your walls by force? Smiley
No they made a special place to showcase that "art" and you could choose to go there if you wanted to. That's the same with Bitcoin. We already have special cryptocurrencies that act as cloud storage (like filecoin) we also already have special cryptocurrencies made for token creation (like ethereum) and we have bitcoin that is a payment system.

... and yet people insist on forcing us to change the utility of bitcoin, one of its fundamental characteristics which is to be a payment system and change Bitcoin to be a cloud storage!!!
Honestly, that has to be stopped.
938  Economy / Economics / Re: Is energy prices about to shoot up? on: November 30, 2023, 04:33:06 PM
But let's put aside the morbid complexes of pro-Russian agitators and get back to the topic
Do you even know what this topic is about?

Let me help you one more time. This topic is about the conflict in West Asia and possibility of it entering specifically the Red Sea which could affect the energy trade routes
It has nothing to do with Russia, current oil/gas prices in Europe, German budget, etc.

As I've already explained in previous posts (which I know you haven't bothered reading any) the chances of this possibility has gone down as time passed. At this point we don't have any reason to speculate a spike because of the events analyzed in this topic because the Armed Forces of Yemen are only seizing any ships that belongs to the terrorist organization Israel. And nobody has the capability to do anything about it hence there won't be any expansion of the conflict.
939  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum to introduce coinjoins using Nostr on: November 30, 2023, 04:35:46 AM
Electrum isn't advertising itself as privacy focused
So what?
You use your own node and you have privacy, you don't need electrum to tell you that.
Privacy has to be the default option if we want the solution used by majority of users to offer actual privacy. Otherwise imagine if your mixed transaction contained 20 inputs 19 of which came from users who don't care or don't know how to improve their privacy and for exampled connected to a honeypot server to sync on clear-net! Obviously the 20th one that followed all privacy improving steps has no privacy and the mixed transaction won't offer any privacy whatsoever.

This is the same criticism that exists about altcoins that claim to offer privacy but it is not the default option.
940  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Mempool fees and Solutions on: November 30, 2023, 04:30:56 AM
Spam attacks by nature are unpredictable because there is an attacked that will continue to fill the mempool with junk to intentionally inflate the fees.
A spam attack such as Ordinals is a special type of attack that provides the incentive for the attackers (that also happen to be regular newbies) to attack bitcoin themselves without feeling like they are performing such an attack.

The only solution for this is to either patch the exploit they are using in the Bitcoin protocol to perform this attack. Which doesn't seem likely in the near future since a small part of the community still insists that preventing this type of abuse is considered "censorship"!!!!
Or the other solution is to wait and wish for the scam market where they rip people off with the junk they inject into the blockchain to die. Which is very unlikely considering how the scam has grown and how greed works. We've already seen it in the ICO scams in 2017 that died but never disappeared.
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