Indeed, you can be sure it won't be happening again if I have anything to say about it.  The ship dates were announced before I came on board with BFL and going forward, unless I am explicitly overridden, we will not be making any shipping date commitments.  It will be Valve time from here on out if I have my way.

I never made a wager that threatened suicide.  Please provide evidence that I made such a wager.

Nope, you failed at fixing it, sorry.  I meant what I said.  Unlike many people here, I'm capable of communicating my thoughts and meanings fairly accurately.

What you might find even more frightening is the the fact that I restrain myself a great deal when posting on Bitcointalk.

Haha, do you expect anything less from Puerto Libre?  He's lied repeatedly for months, why not throw some fraud into the mix?  He's right up his alley, given his lifestyle.

Can you feel the epic wave of back peddling by the likes of Yajaira D Guevara and the rest of the clown crew as they try to claim they never said BFL was a scam or that BFL would never ship or that BFL never had ASICs etc... but they ACTUALLY meant something entirely different.

That's what I thought...

Pics or it didn't happen.

Truer words have never been spoken, sir.

How exactly do you get from "You're and idiot because of X" to "Everyone is an idiot?"  Oh... it's because you're an idiot.  You can't seem to understand the difference between a the general and the specific.


Let me guess, you're an hunt and peck "typist" and it takes you 10 minutes to write each sentence, right?  That's why you think it takes me an inordinate amount of time to write a post, right?  But, do tell, what is it you think I could have spent my time doing since last October that I haven't already done and have been doing?  Do you seriously believe I should spend every waking moment of my life doing "something" (which is as of yet undefined) related to ASICs?  Is that the position you're taking?  Really?


Suuuure you won't.  I suspect you already are or will end up just like Frizz and Frankie.  Frothing at the mouth at how you hate BFL and you think they are a scam while handing over an order, because deep down you know your words are bullshit; You just can't bring yourself to admit that all your vocal sputum was nothing more than a whiny, self entitled verbal tantrum that you're too embarrassed to fess up to.

Read you post again so you can recognize your stupidity in the future.

Just so we are clear, your claim is that if I spent a sum total of about 20 minutes over the past couple weeks doing... something other than posting (what exactly) we'd "be shipping by now."  So you're saying that we are 20 minutes away from shipping, right?

Like I said, please re-read your post so you'll realize why what you post is so stupid.

Please provide proof of your accusations.  Your conjecture or wishful thinking does not constitute proof, BTW.

Oh, but I do know you.  I know you very well.  You are just like the other whiny,self entitled trolls that inhabit this forum and think that I should, for some inexplicable reason, treat you like royalty while you dish out abuse, just because you might potentially spend money with BFL.  Yes, I know you very well.


Then don't order if you think I am a charlatan.  You don't seem to get it: BFL does not want customers like you.  You cost too much to maintain.  You are a poor investment.  We don't want you, we don't need you.  You are the type of customer that complains incessantly when you don't get your way.  You threaten all manner of reprisals when someone tells you no.  You just can't understand why someone won't give in to your ludicrous, unreasonable demands.  It blows your mind when a company tells you that you're wrong, because you've been conditioned and raised to believe that "the customer is always right." when nothing is further from the truth.  


Why don't YOU go away?  I have no interest in proving you wrong, that would imply that I care if you believe me or not.  I don't.  I have never cared.  You mean exactly nothing to me.  Your belief in me does not have any sway over my daily life and the fact that you think it does shows what an self entitled narcissist you truly are.  

Yes, I know you.  I know you very well.  I have dealt with hundreds of people just like you in the past 25 years.

Oh shit!  Pizza is going to make a blog post!  Everyone stand back!

Pizza screws up his Paypal account and somehow that's BFL's fault.  Yes indeed, make a blog post.

It's been on record since the first time someone asked.

THere's nothing professional about this forum.  BFL has given up on Bitcointalk, so don't expect any official communication from BFL here.  The only thing you get here is me, because I like to prod the trolls and laugh at how they flail about in indignation.

Oh... and it keeps BFL in the news, which directly translates to sales.  You do understand that everytime someone links to one of Micons wonderful video's or a post where I hurt some poor trolls feelings, people can't believe it (by "it," I mean the fact that I don't treat poor/abusive customers like royalty, but instead like what they deserve), do some research on this crazy company called BFL and end up purchasing a product, right?  Call it a hobby of mine.

I only do that when the person is a scumbag, trailer trash or piece of shit.  Take Frizz for example... the ultimate piece of shit, but yet maintains an order with BFL.  

Vote with your dollars!  If you don't like BFL, cancel your order!  But the biggest loudmouths are the ones who bitch and moan, lie and cheat and then complain when they aren't treated like royalty.  We don't want customers like that, how hard is that to understand?  We want customers who are profitable, sane and able to make rational statements, not the crazy kind like Frankie and Frizz.

I mean shit, at least PuertoTrolltard has enough self respect and common sense to NOT have an order with BFL and then goes about lying and trolling.  I gotta give him some credit for that, at least. 

There isn't one.  Bryan Micon refused to bet on his statements.   His claim, much like Frankie's, was that BFL is a scam and will never ship a product.  When pressed to back up those words, he refused and instead (again, like Frankie) offered different terms where BFL's power and ship dates would be in the immediate future... clearly showing that Bryan Micon is a liar, since he makes a claim, then claims to be a gambler, then refuses to bet on his claim without all sorts of ludicrous caveats.

Bryan Micon, the consumate scammer.  Sells a failed poker system that he knows doesn't work and is the laughing stock of the poker world, just like his reputation.

No matter how much I might ever fail in my life, I can never, ever fail has hard as you do on a daily basis.  If nothing else, I can take solace in that.  I would hate to be you.

Because it's a red herring.  Idiots like PuertoRetard et al keep trotting it out.  However, the deal was if we miss our power targets... according to them, we haven't shipped yet.  So we aren't due to pay the charity bounty (which, as I've stated, we intend to pay) yet... however, because it's something they can trot out, they whine and cry and like to point out that we missed our power targets.  Never mind the fact that in the same breath they cry about how we haven't shipped yet.

So which is it, have we shipped and thus owe the bounty or have we not shipped, and therefore don't owe the bounty yet?  You can't have it both ways!  But either way, it's like we are going to just send funds to a random charity.  We have to decide which charity or charities are going to be recipients and frankly that's not nearly as high a priority as, you know... actually shipping product like people keep screaming about.

But logic and common sense has never been PuertoRetard and the crew's strong suit... just rhetoric and monumental stupidity.

I notice Frankie has shut up now, so mission accomplished.  It's always amazing how the bright stabbing light of logic seems to shut up idiots and trolls alike... although many times it fails on the latter, just witness Creative-I-Don't-Need-Evidence-To-Form-an_opnion-X and PuertoTroll.  Forgot truth and logic when it comes to their nonsense!

Of course it is.  If the entire alleged "scheme" collapsed, how would one ship out units?  The definition of a collapsed "scheme" is one where it is no longer producing the result.  Therefore it would be impossible to ship units.


This has some merit until you take the context of the post, which I did not quote in it's entirety.  Therefore your statement that it's possible is invalid in light of the context.  His claim is that it's impossible for BFL to be a real company and that it's a scam.  If it were a scam, it would not ship product, therefore, once again, if BFL fulfilled any orders it would likely fulfill his order.  The only realistic assement of not fulfilling his order would be BFL not fulfilling ANY orders.

This is further backed up by the fact  that he continues to maintain orders with BFL when he could just as easily get a refund.  Therefore it's quite clear that he doesn't even believe his own lies.


I agree with this one for the most part, but again in the context of his statements and the fact that he maintains orders, it's clear that either he's the stupidest person in the world (for keeping orders with a company he doesn't believe will ship) or he's lying.  Either way, it's clear evidence that he actually believes BFL will ship product and that it's not a scam.


Unfortunately, your entire premise is false.  There is nothing "obvious" about BFL using customer perorders to fund R&D.  That's just a fantasy you've made up (or repeated, as the case may be) and there is no credible evidence to support this assertion.  You may wish it to be true and you may want to believe it to be true, but you are unable to produce any credible evidence to support your assertion, which essentially makes it false (since it is false), and the only credible source of information (whether you choose to accept it as credible or not is immaterial, since it's your ONLY source) states otherwise.


Really?  Can you point out where the hypocrisy is?  See, the problem is, you can't provide any evidence that I've done these things.  You may, again, want them to be true, but just because you want something so badly doesn't make them true.  The fact of the matter is, I have not lied or made up false information like Frankie here (or yourself, clearly)... and I can demonstrate that you have done so.  You are not able to do the same... there's a reason for that.  Frankie (and yourself) are lying, I am not.    If you disagree with this, please provide some evidence.  I've provided evidence that both you and Frankie are lying in this very post (and previous posts).  Your statement of "BFL is obviously using preorders for R & D" is an outright lie.  Frankie, we have already demonstrated his lying in great detail.

Sure, I'll address the rest of the post just as soon as you back up your bullshit with a 500 BTC.  You claim BFL is a scam and that we will never ship a product.  I claim that BFL is not a scam and will ship a product. I am willing to escrow 500 BTC for my claim.  You escrow 500 BTC for your claim and we can move on to whether or not we'll bet on your ludicrous caveats.

My guess is that you'll just Micon-out of the bet, because, just like Bryan Micon, you are a lying piece of shit and you are unwilling to back up your claims...  You and Bryan Micon love to make all these grand pronouncements until someone calls you on it, then you deflect and hem and haw and try to weasel your way out of it. 

So until you back up your statement that "BFL is a ponzi scheme, an obvious scam" and "I do not believe my orders will be fulfilled" we have nothing to discuss other than what an idiot you are.  In fact, how about this... you want to hedge your orders.  I will bet you the full amount you paid in BTC for your orders from BFL that your orders will be fulfilled.  If you'd rather just do the USD value, I will take that bet as well.  You escrow the BTC,  I will escrow the BTC and when your order(s) are fulfilled you lose the bet.  If your orders aren't fulfilled, you win the bet and you get back your BTC (or USD value equivalent if you prefer) - so you're 100% hedged against your losses, since you're positive BFL is a scam and you'll never see your orders.

That's what you're hoping to accomplish with this ridiculous thread, right?  That's what you CLAIM.  If that's the case, then this wager is a no brainer.  Unless... you are lying?