I suspect this one will creep out from nowhere in the future at some point.  Once it gains another few exchanges and gets some dev report outs we'll see a boom.  I'm (hoping) thinking late summer to early fall.

What's the current most optimized cpu miner for Aeon, I'm seeing about 600h/sec on an i7-7700 which seems low with the one i'm using right now.

This exactly what I did and it's worked great.  Got a grade B refurb from newegg for ~$150 and added some memory for another $50, even though it didn't seem to really need it.  I have staking wallets running 24/7 for about three weeks now with no issues so far.  It stays cool just fine while staking, only heats up when I unplug it to check on it or update/download new wallets.

There were issues with the initial launch before that dev left that shook confidence too.  Longterm it has solid potential.

What? Is that sarcasm, trolling or a genuine opinion?

I think the real issue is for the ICO teams legal exposure, less the individual investor.  There's very strict regulation around fundraising and fund management, and ICOs span both.  Companies seeking to raise startup/operating capital have a lot of hoops to jump through as do the people/firm funding them.  On top of that with the value/income/trade-able aspects of crypto there's massive unresolved concerns about SEC regulations that may apply.

It's just easier for them to avoid the US to be safer.

I could see tokens eventually being used to replace stocks as they currently exist allowing much easier access to broader investment options but there's MANY legal questions to answer before then.

Not terribly wise, it's a biiiig gamble.

Just saw these doing my daily newegg check, and HOLY SHIT the pricing is insane.  480s were $50 cheaper less than 3 months ago and I got a 580 8gb card earlier this year for the same price.  They also are limited to ONE per person.  I feel bad for anyone that buys into these.

This is exactly it.  The use of the term ROI, is accurate insofar as it's usually used to MEAN exactly that.

People talk about it as when the ROI ratio is 100% or greater.  While, TECHNICALLY, it's still being used slightly inaccurately because your discussing a capital investment in the cards, given that they produce the crypto investment vehicles you then trade it's not unlike VC investment in a startup with no existing valuation, so really it's accurate because of the unique nature of what we do.

ROI is used quite commonly in business to discuss just this, when your investment has attained 100% or better returns by SOME means.  My current company uses it to describe project timelines and costs all the time when discussing human and physical capital projects that involve cost reduction or some other form of quantifiable savings.  I'm sure there's some people in our finance department that might twitch a little in those meetings, but they KNOW what is meant, and no one bothers correcting it, because in common usage the meaning is clear.

This is still the non-consumer card, but it's good to see the chipset is finally out in the wild and available, albeit at an exaggerated price point at the moment.

The real question is going to be final consumer grade cards pricing and electricity usage, it's been pretty clear for a while that these will have a considerable improvement over current generation hardware in almost all respects, BUT if the unit price and cost to operate stay as high as many estimates I've read over the past months, the 5xx and 10xx series cards will still be the value leaders. 

This is doubly so considering that once Vega consumer cards are readily available they'll provide more market competition on card prices, on top of the price pressure the "mining only" cards are likely going to provide.

Sounds like A CLEAR reason not to invest in it.

First two things I look at for any ICO or long term but is:
1) does it offer any real function/novel use case that isn't already solved
2) do the developers/support team seem too know what they're doing and able to actually realize their goal

MANY projects don't pass the sniff test for these two points, and I move on.

I think ETH had become popular for ICOs because many of the projects were running as tokens on the ETH platform, combined with the common view that ETH is the new BTC and had higher profit potential.

I've usually seen a 10-20 Sol/s drop on zcash for the card connected to the monitor, never saw much a difference for eth though.

With the recent Diff increases and todays price plummet, not for much longer I'd think.

To question one, it seems a 4 card setup is roughly 2-3gb data per month.  Although that's highly variable depending on algo and total hash.  Dagger algos seem to use more and higher hash will mean more shares.

I can say that I priced standalone cell data plans in the US and compared my residential electric cost to the cost of data assuming i could get a sattelite site with free electric but no data and it always worked out to be a complete wash in savings PLUS my rigs would be harder to access for maintenance and i was skeptical of cell data reliability.

I believe that about as far as I could throw it.  Even if it's true they're picking a piss poor time to announce it.

My only dilemma at this point is when to buy in and if I'm going for BTC, LTC or ETH.

Why not, in September we'll get AMMOGOLD!!!!

This "ICO" is exactly why the current ICO madness is a problem.

Yup.  Also it doesn't help that most portfolio valuation is done relative to BTC so when a dip starts on BOTH alts and BTC at the same time the drop is compounded.

Retracement is a fancy word for a market correction, which is a short hand for "everything grew too quick and now we're seeing the drop to real value".

This happens in any market and there's no magic way to predict when or how far a correction will go, as an investor only you can decide what's right.

Personally, i'm holding most long term, and this drop isn't anything new or particularly scary, i still anticipate long-term growth.

With current prices and knowing nicehash loses ~10% off direct mining that's about right.  At peak a 1080ti was ~$10/day, right now they're $4-8 depending on algo and coin value atm.

EXACTLY! Ammo released only a few months ago with an ICO, if there's a technically pertinent reason then it should be a coin SWAP, otherwise this is one thing and one thing only... A CASH GRAB and it makes those holding ammo "classic" makes their coins appear worthless.