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9381  Other / Meta / Re: I have a proposal to vary the trust system that is used here. on: September 18, 2015, 10:55:28 PM
Oh and I just recalled read a while ago that placing someone on Ignore holds weight with the trust list as well, but where that explanation is I'm not sure.
9382  Other / Meta / Re: I have a proposal to vary the trust system that is used here. on: September 18, 2015, 10:48:37 PM
This may be a tad bit off topic, but does anyone here know where the old thread of theymos voting to change the DT was? I want to go over that thread again but I have no idea where it is anymore.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0 Marketplace trust

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0 Minor trust score algorithm change

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184040.0 Setting up your own trust list
9383  Other / Meta / Re: Setting up your own trust list on: September 18, 2015, 10:46:09 PM
Hey thanks, those are indeed the droids links I've been looking for.

I've misplaced the actual discussions on Trust (which was cough upgraded about two months ago and people cough splutter like it, it seems.

this and this? also do you need a doctor?

Nah, when I play Doctor's and Nurses, I like to make house calls.  Grin
9384  Other / Meta / Re: Why do some users have green text in their trust and others (like me) have not? on: September 18, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Because its not high enough to be turned green. It depend on how much trust you have.

From where does this trust come ?

Trust comes from doing actions that cause people to trust you. Most commonly, this is from doing transactions. However, the only trust feedback that will really have an impact on your trustworthiness is from DT members, who are members who are considered trustworthy.

...until those on the Default Trust are outted as scammers like Quickseller and Tomatocage (the former has been removed from DT, the later hasn't).
9385  Other / Meta / Re: Setting up your own trust list on: September 18, 2015, 10:34:11 PM
Some links that I have

Why do some users have green text in their trust and others (like me) have not? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174606.0

I have a proposal to vary the trust system that is used here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183190.0

Paying for Negative Trust {0.001 BTC}  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174480.0

I've misplaced the actual discussions on Trust (which was cough upgraded about two months ago and people cough splutter like it, it seems.

If you remove the word DefaultTrust from your list of trusted, then only those you have given good or bad trust to will show up that way...

(put a tilda in front of DefaultTrust ie ~DefaultTrust and see what happens...) You can change those settings back and forth and only you will see the end results.

I 'm still unsure how a person gets on the DT... (had recent events not occurred, I would have said something flip just then about having had the DT's at times, but I digress) ... but be very very careful how you hand out trust, especially negative trust for it shall comeback to bight you ... hard. Really, really hard.
9386  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling BTC for Paypal. on: September 18, 2015, 10:10:48 PM
Why did the OP get a negative trust from this? I don't see anything that necessarily made me think that he was trying the send-first PayPal scam.

Tomatocage is one of the users on what's called the Default Trust where they arbitrarily give out negative feedback, in the past he and Quickseller would also attach "use escrow" and then offer themselves up as the escrow agent without revealing that they are both the buyer and the escrow.

Tomatocage today has worded his negative feedback very carefully to imply the OP is trying something on (ie PayPal scam) without using the term "use escrow" no doubt another newbie will come on and suggest escrow and months later we'll find out that it was another Alt of Tomatocage.

Since Quickseller was outted as an escrow scammer persons on the DT and others have posted advice in the form of replies to the OP's instead of arbitrarily giving the OP negative feedback / trust without a chance to respond (ie using terms "I will remove if they ...")

You can add Tomatocage to you list of untrustworthy in the trust --> Trust Settings --> then put ~Tomatocage in your Trust list (as untrustworthy by adding the tilda "~" before his name..
9387  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling BTC for Paypal. on: September 18, 2015, 11:41:18 AM
Hi Newbie,

I'll take 0.022 BTC into 1NewbiesXGxBmULNZNso1ZaY3Rcjq7rniG for $5 USD via PayPal thanks. (Priced via http://preev.com/ )

You can go first. Send me a DM with your PP email when the funds have gone through (verified here https://blockchain.info/address/1NewbiesXGxBmULNZNso1ZaY3Rcjq7rniG ). Thanks.

*edit* nearly eleven hours later and no reply, deal is off the table.
9388  Other / Meta / Re: I have a proposal to vary the trust system that is used here. on: September 18, 2015, 09:01:26 AM
Hi again,

I wasn't advocating for five levels as such, I just wanted to give an example of what it'd look like.  Regardless of whether a user has the DT and two levels of trust or a user defined variation, the level numbers are actually going to be there.
But i wonder why would they adapt your or mine trust system rather than continuing their own made up ?
unless it improves and advances the system at an alarming rate ?

I'm trying to build on the Trust system that's in place already, I'd like to know that if someone had  12: -0 / +3  [3] that they'd be more trustworthy than  4: -0 / +1  [2] by comparison even though the first one is at trust level three
9389  Other / Meta / Re: I have a proposal to vary the trust system that is used here. on: September 18, 2015, 08:28:52 AM
Hi again,

I wasn't advocating for five levels as such, I just wanted to give an example of what it'd look like.  Regardless of whether a user has the DT and two levels of trust or a user defined variation, the level numbers are actually going to be there.

I do like the [1] suggestion

I couldn't really distinguish which was which. All were dark colors. Wink

How about 0: -0 / +0  [1] for someone in level 1 trust list? Just saying..


Sorry about the colours, there's a limited palate to choose from in the change colour drop down box.
9390  Other / Meta / Re: Why do some users have green text in their trust and others (like me) have not? on: September 17, 2015, 11:47:05 PM
I've got an idea to modify the trust indications which I've proposed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183190.0
9391  Other / Meta / I have a proposal to vary the trust system that is used here. on: September 17, 2015, 11:31:27 PM
I have a proposal to vary the trust system that is used here.

People can have all kinds of trusts which are shown differently for each person; X doesn't trust Y so any trusts that Y gave out don't show up on X's trust list.

A recent glance over the various trust's as they stand on my trust indicator shows examples such as:

  • Trust:    128: -0 / +16
  • Trust:    10: -0 / +1
  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0
  • Trust:    0: -1 / +4
  • Trust:    Huh: -1 / +25
  • Trust:    -112: -7 / +16

In each case I can gage how trusted someone is with the dark green / lime green / black / orange / red indices, however none of these show me if a user is on the default trust list, is a level one, two three what ever level of trust.

Three person's can each have

  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0
  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0
  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0

but in each case, one is a newbie with no trust from any one the second I have had a tiff with and so have manually placed them as untrusted in the trust box and the third is on the default trust list.

So, what I propose is this:  The oblique (or forward slash) colour be modified to indicate visually if a person is on the default trust list, has been manually added to the untrusted list or is level zero, one, two, three up to (say) a trust level five.

Everyone starts as a newbie with black as <zero> if you never transact with anyone else, you keep your black oblique.


Trust:    0: -0 / +0

The person I have placed on my untrusted list manually eg ~UserXNameHere gets a different colour (say) purple

Trust:    0: -0 / +0

While someone on the default trust gets another colour again, say brown

Trust:    0: -0 / +0

which would then give our three users distinct markers

  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0
  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0
  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0

Then it would simply be a matter of assigning another colour again to each of the five trust levels

  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0 - blue - trust level 1
  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0 - teal - trust level 2
  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0 - beige - trust level 3
  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0 - maroon - trust level 4
  • Trust:    0: -0 / +0 - pink - trust level 5

You could go to ten trust levels, but who's going to trust someone that obscure...?

Another variation would be to reverse the direction of the Oblique if someone is on the default trust

 Trust:    0: -0 \ +0

The above could also be used to indicate someone was once on the DT but is no longer on DT list, or could have their oblique greyed

 Trust:    0: -0 / +0 (just pretend it's grey people) Wink

Apologies if I've posted to the wrong forum, I'll shift if someone suggests a better spot for it.

Anyways, thanks for reading.

9392  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lets play a game of Chess on: September 17, 2015, 09:13:11 AM
It begins! Now is the time for a4! Probably, that is. I actually don't know what the best way to launch our attack is, other than that we must launch it now. Rac1 might also be good. But I think the time is right for a4.

I'm leaning towards d4 to make the Rook earn its keep.
9393  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lets play a game of Chess on: September 17, 2015, 12:51:54 AM
So now it's five votes for Rfd1 (languagehasmeaning, jjacob, abacus, neochiny, and myself) and three for a4 (Timeloard2067, actmyname, and Taras). I hope I've got it right this time.

So has the community decided on Rfd1? Or are people still debating the choice?

I don't know why they're talking about how they're going to eventually surrender, my suggestion for a4 hasn't changed.
9394  Economy / Services / Re: 1 BTC for the first person that cracks this on: September 17, 2015, 12:50:29 AM
I'm sure if anyone solves this, they'll submit it on their own for 100% of the prize, rather than 1% (which is a rather sad offer). Based on other messages here, I'm wondering if this isn't a "multi-signature" address they're testing.

It looks a little bit like that doesn't it?

It does, but wouldn't it be more like a signed multi-signature or something? The code is too long to be private keys themselves, but look like the right length for a signed message (or 3 signed messages that are somehow linked).

I had a someone a while ago showing me a um, split sig (or was it multiple sig?) for BitCoin and it was creating wallet addresses starting with a "3" ... The second line each start with a different letter, so I'm unsure if split keys  and part private keys for other coins have more than one prefix?
9395  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: (WTS) 1 BTC for paypal CAD or interac e-transfer! on: September 16, 2015, 02:58:59 AM
Just looking for interac e-transfer now, got enough paypal!

Please PM me if you want to trade.

So you're backing out of the deal we've been discussing via PM then?  Thanks for the advice.
Sorry, I've gotten enough paypal funds (apparently, I can send directly from bank to someone without waiting, I forgot about that!)
and it seems as though you were more so testing me than actually wanting to trade?  Whichever, I didn't need anymore paypal, I should have informed you via PM, sorry!

Heyy. I don't have much rep here but I guess we could do this deal on LocalBitcoins? Hehe I don't know, PM me if you want my PayPal money. I'm cool if you're scared, I gotta find a way to somehow build trust here  Grin

Edit: what are your rates for Interac?

Depends, please link me to your localbitcoins account.  If it has notable trust with large trading volume, I'll consider. I've sent you a PM!

Check the wallet address I sent you, it may take me till December, but hopefully I'll get there.
9396  Economy / Services / Re: 1 BTC for the first person that cracks this on: September 16, 2015, 02:34:08 AM
I'm sure if anyone solves this, they'll submit it on their own for 100% of the prize, rather than 1% (which is a rather sad offer). Based on other messages here, I'm wondering if this isn't a "multi-signature" address they're testing.

It looks a little bit like that doesn't it?
9397  Economy / Services / Re: 1 BTC for the first person that cracks this on: September 16, 2015, 02:32:39 AM
I wonder why do people come with these all bullshits on the forum just to troll about.  Roll Eyes

OK Solved:

All three codes are the public and private keys for an alt / crypto coin (not sure which)

The first code (Code 1) top line that begins... eyJHMDkw is the public key and is used to calculate the private part which is line two of code 2.

in code 3 the second line of both code one and two have either been added together or multiplied giving the private key answer which is line two of code 3.

1 BTC please.

WOW :3

Well Troll... I take it you haven't read about Vanity wallets or part private keys that are added or multiplied together to create a vanity wallet?
9398  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: (WTS) 1 BTC for paypal CAD or interac e-transfer! on: September 16, 2015, 02:28:11 AM
Just looking for interac e-transfer now, got enough paypal!

Please PM me if you want to trade.

So you're backing out of the deal we've been discussing via PM then?  Thanks for the advice.
9399  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Buying BTC for Paypal on: September 15, 2015, 04:41:40 PM
I think you wil not get anybody here who will be interested to trade bitcoin for your paypal. As you may apply chargeback on future from paypal. So better try to use other payment processor. And also you are jr. member like me so nobody wil be say you are trusted.

I've been repeatedly turned down by both Newbies and Jr Memebers for not being trusted enough so I wouldn't take it to heart. (Check out my trust that I've left for others BTW). Wink
9400  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rare address hall of fame on: September 15, 2015, 04:34:06 PM
Last but by no means the least for now:

Code:
123571113QfPY8JNXhBCi1sKRhpV8Zk67K

The first seven prime numbers...

Seven being the largest single digit prime number.
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