I am surely NOT proclaiming such proclivities to be a bad thing (even if a potential weakness). 

 

   #nohomo

Well, at least you admit to some kind of "nutjob" status, but I am not sure if that would make you a better troll / shill than the average troll/shill or not?



Many troll/shills won't fucking admit to those kinds of things or even cooperate in providing much if any information about their lil selfies, but I will concede too that troll/shills come in a variety of flavors, and sometimes these mostly unhelpful participants will take some kind of unique posting approach in order to attempt to garner some sympathies from some members who might be somewhat sympathetic to troll/shills or entertained by their nonsense.

Since you are still new here, there could be a chance that you might grow up a bit, and then start to contribute to the thread and the forum?  There have been some members who had gone through such transition... so anything is possible... unlikely, but sure.. possible [insert alien meme here].


I understand that you are a daddy.. but sure nullius may not have realized that (whether subconsciously or otherwise), but now, your response pushing me towards elaborating more than I originally intended.

Sure, that is a fair interpretation, and you likely realize that I don't agree with that way of thinking or that approach to investing - even though of course, there are a decent number of people who think and invest like that. 

Even though I tend to advocate for some variation of my approach, I don't necessarily expect people are going to agree, and surely in the end, as long as they are accounting for a the various factors of their own circumstances, then hopefully they will learn along the way and tweak along the way, if they believe that they need to adjust their approach.


Sure.  You and I have been back and forth about this quite a bit, and I frequently proclaim that it is difficult as fuck for even expert studiers of the space and BTC price dynamics to recognize these kinds of factors, so the vast majority of folks are likely not really going to know if they are buying into selling momentum, big dips or small dips or whatever is going on.. even if they might develop hunches around such dynamics.

A vast majority of time, it seems better to establish some kind of system that allows for both buying regularly and maybe structuring various dip points that are largely comfortable and can be tweaked from time to time based on the variety of personal circumstances.



I am not saying that, either.. .but with bitcoin, you should also NOT be getting too worked up about having had bought BTC all the way from $19,666 to $11k and some of your purchased BTC happen to be in the red... In the end, who fucking cares?  You cannot necessarily know.. and after a decent amount of time investing in BTC on a regular basis, it still remains quite likely that you should be in profits with the longer passage of time... and likely in a better position than if fucking around with trying to time matters and just getting stressed out about it. 

So, ultimately a combination of both could be helpful if the person has enough cashflow.  So yeah, having $100 per week (as I mentioned in my earlier post) that is able to be invested into BTC is a decently sized cashflow that could allow for some flexibility in using some amounts to buy regularly (such as half) and the other amounts to attempt to be strategic about those buy price points.

Some people might not have $100 per week, and they might have only $10 per week.  They could still attempt to do the same thing by dividing half and half, but they may have to figure out some other method of maybe buying once a month rather than once a week.. and surely the smaller amounts allow for lower amounts of value to work with in regards to being able to lump sum invest parts of their cashflow, too.

Of course, if someone has higher amounts of cash, even $250 per week or higher amounts, then they are going to have more options, and frequently those higher cashflow folks may have better ideas about how to manage their investment, than someone who may be struggling a bit more with lower cashflows and likely getting more enticed into taking gambling approaches rather than exercising more prudent investment and portfolio management strategies that I tend to argue that dollar cost averaging tends to better facilitate more prudence rather than by trying to time the market through gambling techniques that may or may not be prudent depending on how much of a cashflow that is available to such hypothetical investor(s).


We can agree to disagree, no?  I think that in regards to bitcoin (our lil buddy) the efficiency can work itself out with a long enough investment strategy that largely just mostly engages in DCA strategies that attempt to accumulate and focus on accumulating BTC on a regular and ongoing basis.. and sure short-term it might not seem that such system has been being very efficient, but if someone ends up engaging in a longer term investment approach to BTC such as 7 years or longer, the numbers will likely start to work themselves out in favorable ways - even though with any investment, including BTC, there are no guarantees.. so in that regard, prudence in the amount may help to alleviate feelings of anxiety in regards to whether the investment in BTC is performing well or not in the shorter term.

Again, see the linked website regarding DCA into BTC over the past  7 years with a $10 per week approach that compares gold and equities.  You can adjust the timeframes and/or amounts to see how historical BTC price performance would have varied in comparison to gold and equities.


If someone has a $10k investment portfolio with $1k invested into BTC and $9k invested in various other assets, then maybe they do not need to worry very much because they have a meaningful stake in BTC.. whether it is enough to make a difference or not might be another story.. But, sure, they are already in and if they just let the market ride itself out then if they continue to buy $10 per week or whatever, may not really make a BIG difference.

If someone has zero invested BTC, then they decide to wait, that is on them.   I do not suggest waiting.  I suggest getting the fuck into bitcoin with some reasonable amount that is comfortable for the person that is 1% to 10% of their investment portfolio and then sure they can tweak according to their circumstances.  Invest for 4 years or longer, and if your time line is shorter than 4 years, then you might need to reconsider whether to invest in BTC at all or merely to adjust some of the numbers to fit your shorter time horizon which involves more gambling tendencies - and I am not in the business of recommending gambling approaches to BTC investing... but hey, that is just me.. attempting to presume a 4 year or longer investment timeline and to work from there.. and if people cannot do that, then maybe they should not be listening to what I have to say... or they can attempt to tweak what I say to their personal circumstances... adjusting various parts to attempt to make it work for their personal circumstances and that surely involved figuring out cashflow, other investments, view of bitcoin compared with other investments, risk tolerance, timeline, and time, skills and abilities to plan, learn along the way, tweak their strategies including reallocating and deciding whether or not to include trading within their portfolio management and investment approach... 

More expenses in running and securing it, of course... so have to generate at least enough income, to pay for its maintenance and upkeep - including cost of staff (minimum staff? or adequate staff?) 

These days, also, there may be a need to make sure that the ventilation systems have allowed for some health assurances (virus related, of course) - harder to accomplish those kinds of assurances in enclosed and potentially frequently trafficked spaces.

Look at uie.... 

Taking BitcoinGirl.Club's side in this matter.

I have noticed that you tend to be a bit of a softy (in other words, one of your weaker spots) when it comes to protecting the fairer sex.   

 

We heard that before.

You come off as a bit of a nutjob to be making those kinds of proclamations, eXPHorizon, even if you are attempting some kind of a joke.


This is one of those situations in which you gotta make a choice.

There is no fence-sitting nor weaseling out with this particular question.  Either you make one of the two listed choices, or you abstain from participating.  

 


Hate that word, "crypto" whatever the fuck that means?

-1 WO smerit - for traumatizing yours truly and any other potentially sensitive WO peeps with that.    


Ok. .. this one makes up for your earlier faux pas.

We (that's you and me, #nohomo) are back to neutral territory.

 

Surely, it is difficult to capture exactly what bitcoin is, but there are a lot of people who get mislead into thinking that bitcoin is technology, even though it surely uses technology to achieve digital scarcity and sound money in that direction which does make it a bit difficult to understand and also there are a lot of technologically smart people who get distracted into shitcoins and wrongly believing that they are somewhat similar are equal or even better than bitcoin.


Of course, with bitcoin we can review its price performance history compared to other assets, and the longer that we are able to have created an investment timeline, the better BTC's price performance is going to have had differentiated itself from other assets.

Take this example of DCA investing of $10 per week for the past 6 years - comparing such investment in BTC to gold and to equities, and of course, the website does allow tweaking of the timeline in order to compare various other investment timelines between 6 months and 9 years.

I agree with you that there is nothing really indicating that bitcoin is not going to continue to have relatively better price performance compared with other assets in the coming 5 years or even longer, so anyone just getting started could take some kind of similar or modified approach to the matter.



Getting off of zero remains one of the best first steps, and also then there might be a need to figure out how much to do, and how to do it and what to do as BTC prices go up (in the event that they do).  There are surely ways to deal with those kinds of particulars, including working out some of the details as you go along and build up your BTC investment portfolio, and surely it makes sense to create some tentative plans, but also makes sense to tweak the plans along the way.

So, for example, in late 2013, when I got into bitcoin, my early plans were just to establish "a bit of a stake", yet after I was in bitcoin for about 6 months, my goal became to diversify the overall value of my total investment portfolio into bitcoin in order to reach a 10% allocation in bitcoin, which for me largely meant getting my BTC allocation higher than it was at that time.  So, it took me until the end of 2014 before I finally reached my 10% accumulation/allocation goal.  Once I reached that allocation goal, then I felt that i had more options, and it made a bit more sense for me to consider various other kinds  of plans after reaching that goal rather than planning ahead, because I was attempting to learn along the way.  Sure, I am NOT suggesting that my only goal was BTC accumulation in 2014 - but that was the main goal.

By the way, the value of the first BTC that I bought (nearly $1,200) stayed in the red for more than 3.3 years, but since I kept buying all along, the value of my overall BTC portfolio (average of about $500 per BTC by the end of 2015) got into break even territory in about 2 years and profitable in about 2.5 years.  

Part of my point is what to do can be adjusted along the way, including planning how to deal with exponential BTC price gains or exponential BTC price drops.. whether to sell a bit when the BTC price goes up and/or to buy a bit when the price goes down or some other strategy, and my personal strategy has been similar to other longer term BTC HODLers and that is to continue to hang onto a decent amount of my stash no matter what the BTC price does, and the value of that has largely had its ups and downs, but overall seems to have trended more towards up rather than down, even if we have experienced long periods of down and flat along the way.

Furthermore, if a person maintains a bit of a balance in his/her various other NON-bitcoin investments, and the value of the bitcoin investment goes shooting up relative to the other assets, so the combination of assets in the investment portfolio becomes overly weighted in BTC, there is NOT necessarily an absolute need to reallocate or rebalance those investments and not just allow the winner (which has been bitcoin) to continue to ride... even if such bitcoin allocation starts to dwarf other assets in the portfolio.

So, for example in my case, I largely achieved my accumulation goal of 10% in late 2014, but since the BTC price remained down and flat for most of 2015, I ended up accumulating enough additional BTC during that time that I had ended up overallocating and reaching around 13% allocation - which had its own ramifications on my consideration of my BTC holdings relative to my overall other investments, and when BTC prices largely shot up from around $250 to $19,666) between late 2015 and late 2017, my BTC allocation got to above 90%, and then when BTC prices dropped back down to $3,124 in late 2018, my BTC allocation ended up dropping to 50%, and currently, my BTC holdings float around 70%.

So the lopsided value of my BTC holdings relative to other assets in my portfolio largely had to do with BTC's over appreciation relative to those other assets, rather than my making any greater investments into BTC - except for that period in 2015 when I had started to gravitate towards overinvesting in BTC beyond my initial 10% allocation authorization amounts.

These remain personal choices regarding how to play these matters, whether to reallocate or whether to allow your winners to ride, and how much to allow for such winners to ride and even maybe scraping off some profits here and there along the way.

None of those choices regarding what to do and how to manage your BTC portfolio will make much if any sense if they are attempted to be made in the hypothetical and the abstraction because in a considerable degree each of us are products of our own circumstances including how much of a stake we have taken and how that stake has played out throughout the time that we have been invested in BTC - including whether or not we are in profits, if so how much we are in profits, and what the remainder of our investment circumstances look like, including considering our cash flow, other investments, view of bitcoin as compared with other investments, risk tolerance, timeline and our time, skills and abilities to learn along the way, plan and to tweak our plans and allocations along the way, including how much time that we are going to engage in trading or other allocation methods in terms of using those activities for managing our portfolio.

No problem.. .Thanks for the clarification.. I did not take any of it in any kind of personal way..

As you likely realize, I will frequently find almost any excuse to rant about some random idea that I may be thinking and may not even have had anything to do with the original post...

Yes, ... also, RL obligations.   I can relate... ... I mentioned previously that I had been going over some of my security issues and even some matters related to passing on coins, in case something were to happen to me.  These kinds of matters can take a lot of time - and also reveal various compromises that happen along the way and even ways that security could be improved - if willing to put in a wee bit more efforts (that may or may not happen). 

I have found that whenever I spend some time to go through the process, then some of the security matters will end up improving through such process, though.  It's like having some kinds of security procedures, and if you you go through the process, at least, you remember what the process is, so that if certain kinds of shit does hit the fan, at least you have recently gone through the process (perhaps to be better prepared to deal with the shit hits the fan situation).

Fair enough.  I am largely with you, even if, perhaps, for slightly differing reasons.. and of course, part of my request for clarification came from some seemingly slight changes in some of your outline of our expected future with lil fiend.. minor as they may have been.

Personally, I believe that there are macro events that could shake bitcoin off of the various underlying fundamentals that differentiate bitcoin from other asset classes that are also captured in the dominant BTC price prediction models... and so far, we do not really seem to be seeing any kinds of substantive or meaningful divergences from already outlined path expectations.


Since we are posting in a public thread, sometimes as a courtesy, we (royal) do post some of topical matters in more detail than necessary for the benefit of others... so a little repetition tends to play out from time to time for those of us willing to bear such repetitions...

Of course, there are quite a few regular WO peeps who I have pretty decent confidence (faith) that do "get it" but every once in a while we witness surprises, too... mindrust.. cough, cough.. .. and also, face-melting BTC price moves or even long-ass periods of seeming irrational BTC price performances, sometimes can cause a few of us to enter locations closer to our psychological limits than we would prefer to acknowledge.

Of course, with the passage of time, legal and financial systems become more complicated and intertwined, and I am with you.  I do not necessarily presume that all passage of time brings progress or that all societal changes are progressing towards better.. those are social constructions that are dangerous to presume.

Bitcoin does provide incentives and options that have the potential to make some of the traditional systems to become more honest - but we should NOT expect that those old systems are going to just go away with a kind of "poof" sound.


How you gonna keep them out?  I don't have a problem trying to figure out ways to make systems evolve better, but there still seems to be ONLY so much any of us can do before we start fantasizing about the ought rather than attempting to structure our own finances and psychology for the "is" rather than various forms of the "ought" that may or may not come about.


Sure.. there is only so much that each of us can do, and of course, some people become motivated to change their position in order to have more influences in making changes that they would like to see, too.



Whether quickly or slowly, sure.

Some of us would like some of the shitcoins to die, too, and largely we have to figure out ways to deal with them, because some of them are going to end up surviving way longer than we would like, and perhaps even longer than they should.

All shitcoins, be gone!!!!!!!!    I have just proclaimed, it.       Let me look outside and see if any changes have taken place.   


I must disclose that you are starting to evolve (or perhaps devolve) into more abstraction than I am willing to entertain... #nohomo.



Of course, we have a combination of a variety of values in which bitcoin's global impact helps us to reconsider some of the various paradigms and where bitcoin might fit into already existing systems and societal thought patters around how some of these systems are rewarding /punishing people.


You are referring to the "royal we?"  Each of us does need to figure out our place in bitcoin, and surely if we want to attempt to influence legislation, banking or judicial systems, we might need to get involved in some of those areas.  Alternatively, there is development, too.  Or just sitting back and commenting on various forums and hoping some others are inspired by our thoughts?



I do think that we have to take some of these institutional interventions (like the CFTC) with a grain of salt, and so you are correct that we might not want to just start applauding them without some skepticisms... even though some people do want these kinds of institutional and governmental interventions to feel more comfortable with bitcoin as an investment or even to feel more comfortable holding it or using it.



Many or even most governments likely feel that they do not need an invitation, so there is that angle, too.

Of course, totally within your discretion, Loyce, regarding whether or how to respond to OgNasty and the copy cat posts that he had already inspired in this thread from his recent posts.. I would agree that it was likely that it was better for you to respond to OgNasty's first post in which he proclaimed that you were "not worthy" to be giving advices on how to dish out trust, blah blah blah... so responding to those initial claims, as you did, including asserting that it was off-topic was likely a reasonable approach, but as you already know and you already mentioned earlier, in a self-moderated thread, you are completely justified to completely delete the posts of OgNasty without further explanation .... and of course, he has a right to create another thread or to bring such topic up in other threads (which he seems to have done, as you suggested).  You even pointed out your particular reputation thread in which he could "totally" (if that were to be possible?) bash you, if he were to aim for such Loyce bashenings, since that thread is not self-moderated.

Sure, you decided to attempt to respond, to provide some linked info and mostly attempt to stay on topic, so however you deal with the situation is up to you, including if you decide to delete this particular post, as well (first time that I have ever suggested deleting my own post... first time for every little thing-i-lie).   #nohomo...

 

How are you going to stop those kinds of BIGGER players from coming into the space?

I don't see how we can necessarily have our cake and eat it too... One of the network effects in bitcoin is the increased financialization of the asset, and sure there might be attempts to denigrate bitcoin or to use bitcoin in the same kinds of ways that they have fucked up other asset classes, but you and I both recognize a distinguishing feature of bitcoin that changes the dynamics, and that is to be able to immediately claim possession of it.  If we enter into relationships with third parties in which we are NOT capable of either requesting or obtaining immediate possession of our coins, then we have chosen to disempower our lil selfies, and there are a large number of current BTC HODLers who recognize such power.. whether they are a minority or a majority, probably does not take away the power of that use case.. and many of us recognize other powers of bitcoin too.. and perhaps the value that others are able to use bitcoin in ways that we might NOT be using bitcoin, but still bring both power and value to bitcoin.

I am just saying that there is no way to keep some of the potentially bad actors out, nor abilities to cause them from attempting to be successful in their various manipulation attempts... but the mere fact that they have a lot of resources to manipulate does not necessarily mean that they understand bitcoin well enough to know that the odds might NOT be so much in their favor to be able to manipulate bitcoin in certain ways or beyond certain points.. but they might NOT realize such aspects of bitcoin until they make such attempts..

Remember fall 2017.. very interesting lessons for some BIG players trying to teach bitcoin some lessons but ending up getting schooled their lil selfies.  I remember.  There are other bitcoiners who remember, too, including some of the active members in this thread and including other parts of bitcoinlandia too, and may not be participating in this thread.

It is kind of sounding to me, that your BTC investment thesis has not really changed very much on account of the potential issues related to Bitmex.

Do you consider barting and debarting to affect your plans in any kind of personal way in the coming one to two years?

Actually, I though that you were expecting a bit more UPpity in 2021  - but you are allowing for the possibility that some of the UPpity might get drug into 2022?  Are you considering that some of your investment performance may have gotten delayed by circumstances surrounding Bitmex?



I probably should not comment on this point, beyond pointing out that I am not commenting on it.  


It appears to me, LFC, that you are not really allowing this Bitmex news to interfere with your theories, in any kind of meaningful way.  

Seems totally reasonable to me.  

Anyone getting in BTC would likely be well served by treating it as at least a 4 year investment, and even better if they have a longer investment time horizon, such as 10 to 20 years.

One of the best ways to make any investment is to employ dollar cost averaging techniques, and even if a person might be front loading the investment because they want to get at a certain target investment portfolio, such as having bitcoin serve as 1% of the value of the portfolio 10% or some other target accumulation amount.

So whoever is investing and attempting to reach target positions is mostly aiming at accumulating over a period of time, and of course, if they can buy some of their BTC at a lower price 10%, 20% or 50% lower, then they can accumulate more BTC, but with BTC we cannot be assured that any such dips are going to take place from whatever price point we happen to be at.

So, buying on dips can account for accumulating a bit more BTC over time, but sometimes, it is better just to make sure to get in and stop trying to worry whether you got 1 BTC for your $11k or you were able to get 1.3BTC because the price dropped 30%.

Another thing is that a person might come to BTC and they may or may not have any lump sums that they can necessarily sit on.

Therefore, if you know that you are earning a certain amount of money, but maybe you only have $100 per week extra that you might be able to spend on BTC.  You may decide to invest $50 every week on BTC no matter what, and then let the other $50 accumulate until you are comfortable buying on dips. 

After 6 months, maybe you have an extra $1,300 that has accumulated because you are waiting for dips that have not happened, and maybe you have to consider whether your reserves of cash are growing too big, or whether you are willing to continue to allow that fiat to accumulate and not to be invested in BTC at the current prices (or otherwise tweak you buying price points - quanties of buys or incremental buy spreads). 

There are ways to strategize and to plan out these kinds of BTC price points and amounts in ways that are comfortable for you and your particular situation and just to allocate that value to just buy at certain price points that you have decided in advance, if the BTC price were to reach those various dip price points.  Each of us have to establish those price points for ourselves, and my personal philosophy is to structure my reserve fiat so that I am able to keep buying if the BTC price keeps going down (so that I do not tend to run out of money, and if I do run out of money then I just HODL.. or wait for more cashflow to come in), so I have to project and budget how many dollars that I have to buy at various price points, and if more cash comes in, then I will divide that new cash up into portions that I buy some BTC right away and other portions that I plug into my reserves that are used to buy more BTC at various price points that I have already pre-established, and since I have come across new cash, I can either increase the amounts of BTC that I buy at each price point, or I can choose to dedicate some of that new money towards buying lower, in case that the BTC price goes to those lower prices.   

When I set my low buy points, I also have to feel comfortable enough that the BTC price may NOT necessarily go down to those price points and I need to feel comfortable with not necessarily filling those orders... and part of the way of feeling comfortable is to feel comfortable with the amount of BTC that I have been regularly accumulating and the longer that I have been accumulating the more comfortable I become with the whole BTC accumulation matter, presuming that with the longer passage of time, my BTC has increasingly built up and hopefully moved into decent amounts of overall profits (and likely the longer in, the more likely that the profits are greater - not guaranteed, of course, but has historically been the case).

Do these experiences also cause Trump to be able to empathize with any other human besides his lil selfie?

I would suspect that one of the qualifications of any person holding a public office or seeking to hold a public office should be to attempt to represent the interests and needs of people, and seems a bit difficult if the only people that such purported representative is capable of representing is his lil selfie. 

Sure, indirectly, Trump may well end up representing some American peeps that happen to be similarly situated to himself, but seems to me that the needs and aspirations of America is much more diverse than the profile of one person, even if such person happens to be a perfect person, such as we all recognize the red-headed self-absorbed dweeb to be.

Of course, I am NOT even proclaiming such a possible strategy to be unreasonable or impracticable.

Clients and attorneys discuss these kinds of strategic matters on a regular basis, and probably some teams of attorneys are more resourceful and creative than other teams.

Personally, I believe Bitfinex has done pretty well through the years, and surely we cannot always know whether some of the positive outcomes were products of skills or luck.


Nothing wrong with arguing from principles.


Of course, in some sense, you are preaching to the choir, nullius.

We have already seen quite a few nonsense arguments wanting to presume Bitmex to be criminally guilty, and I doubt that those proclaimers are more aware of the facts and/or arguments of the case than you and me.



Again.. I don't disagree with any of that.



I cannot say that I disagree with any of that, either.

Battles for the mindspace can take a lot of time, and people are not necessarily going to agree, and surely I hope that Bitmex and their various agents are making great efforts in regards to the counsel that they seek.

Of course, any criminal trial has a possibility for jail time, but even if it does not, there is a higher burden of proof that governments (including Big bully USA) have in terms of proving someone to be guilty of each and every of the allegations that are alleged.  Governments do not always play fair, yet I do not know enough of the details in this case (and likely NOT too many of us do) in order to be presuming the company or the four indicted individuals to be criminally liable to the extent that those various branches of the USA govt are proclaiming / charging.


A bit early (after a mere few days) to making BTC price movement proclamations - even if you might end up being correct.
 


Sure, could be, but still seems as if it is too soon to be making those kinds of price dynamic causation proclamations, even if barting/debarting were to lessen or disappear completely from here on out.

Funny how many times that various posters such as Windfury and I repeat that this thread is not about buying shitcoins and it is not about attempting to time the market.

When in doubt buy bitcoin, whether it dips or NOT and of course, it is better to attempt to buy on dips, but just buying BTC on a regular basis remains better than waiting attempting to time the market and not buying enough BTC in order to feel comfortably prepared for UP.

Of course in the law, there are various issues that are considered threshold issues, and of course, jurisdiction is one of those areas.

Of course, also some states (governments) could be superimposing jurisdiction, and surely those kinds of injustices and overbearingnesses do take place.  I agree with your earlier example of Julian Assange.  Assange likely has fairly top notch attorneys but somehow they are seeming to have difficulties limiting the case to jurisdiction and keeping the USA govt sufficiently at bay.


I agree with you also that jurisdiction seems to be even more foundational in terms of threshold issues than presumption of innocence.

Sometimes attorneys will argue issues that are further up the ladder because if they end up losing on some of the more foundational / threshold issues and they present NO arguments on the other matters, then they would end up losing everything merely based on losing on the threshold issue.  Some lawyers and clients are going to be more willing to stick to ONLY arguing the one issue - but many times, they do end up arguing the other issues, too, while at the same time NOT waiving their right to be totally correct on the foundational/threshold issue that allows the bringing of the case in the first place.



The law can be pretty god damned crazy, sometimes, because it is NOT really uncommon for attorneys to make internally inconsistent arguments, just to make sure that their bases are all covered - but frequently also, they will make their strongest arguments first, and sometimes cut off weaker arguments in order to NOT seem to be grappling at straws ... but I would think that the vast majority of western judges are well able to accept that parties will sometimes make inconsistent arguments... but still tactically, sometimes, it may well be better to just stick to the stronger arguments and to eliminate the weaker and inconsistent arguments or the non-threshold arguments - like you seem to be suggesting.


Of course, those kinds of hard powers do allow some countries to be BIGGER bullies than other countries would be capable of being outside of their territories.


Of course, many of us are going to have differing opinions here, and some member will change their minds and their positions with the passage of time.  Historically, my mind has been changed on topics (sometimes in BIG ways and sometimes merely tweakenings of my ideas and maybe better buttressing or even eliminating some of the rationales that I had previously thought) after participating in thread discussions of various matters.


You and I seem to recognize a lot of these same facts, logic and conclusions, and I would not write off too many of the WO members as if you think that they do not have a brain because several of them will likely come around or at least, consider and reconsider the facts, the logic and their conclusions (opinions) with the passage of time.  

On the other hand, it is possible that you and I (or one of us) might find out that Bitmex's behavior was more egregious than we had earlier considered, and we might adjust our opinions or maybe the strength of our opinion(s) might change with the learning of new facts and logic.



Before you brought it up, I was familiar with that expression, too.  I am not sure how old such expression is.

I quickly googled the expression, and I found this in wikipedia:

>>>>New York State chief judge Sol Wachtler was famously quoted by Tom Wolfe in The Bonfire of the Vanities that "a grand jury would 'indict a ham sandwich,' if that's what you wanted."<<<<

Yes, the expression suggests that the prosecutor has a lot of power and ability to persuade juror members into doing what they want in terms of being able to get an indictment.


What else is new?  I see that, too.


I doubt that there is any need to make this kind of disclaimer because we should assume that you do not have such connections... but if you were to have such connections, there might be a need for you to disclose such information, perhaps?

With the passage of time, it seem to me that we have more regulars in this thread - members who provide decent ongoing contributions, and fewer trolls, too.


You see.

It's confirmed that this whole thing is going to be o.k.

Sure, it may not quite be as rosey as 600watt is seeming to make it out to be, including possibilities that some liquidation avenues might dry up from time to time or the terms of the offering of liquidation services may change from time to time and vary based on location.

At the same time, while some liquidation avenues close, other liquidation avenues are likely going to open up too.

How the fuck do we have Bitmex getting prosecuted the fuck out of (at least the filing of criminal charges and putting one of the founders into custody as a kind of hostage situation) - while at the same time, have places like Wyoming authorizing Kraken to become its first bitcoin bank, and people (companies) like Michael Saylor investing around 85% of his company's cash reserves into directly owning bitcoin and other companies like Grayscale and Square equally purchasing nearly the whole new bitcoin mining amount on a daily basis.

We should not be just focusing on the doom and gloom news or even wishing away any bad news by creating a rosey scenario, instead we just need to play out these matters while keeping the vast majority of our coins secured (by ourselves) and maintain and potentially explore and practice some of the liquidation methods on a somewhat regular basis to make sure that there are a few options that exist, for us personally, and if some of our options dry up, then we likely need to seek (and expand into) other liquidation avenues.