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941  Local / Трейдеры / Re: доллар соскамят on: July 16, 2020, 08:41:00 PM
Толпа дурковатых нигеров - это часть шоу. Ну как Северная Корея, которую уже давно моглибы помножить на 0, но такой паноптикум им нужен - людям же надо показывать страшилку ? Так и тут - должны же они видеть что такое хорошо и что такое плохо, бо там житие большинства как-то сильно спокойное и без проблем, вот и сделали встрясочку. Это как всплыло так и сольют в один момент, короче за америкосов не переживаем

В принципе согласен с данным посылом

Здесь даже не столько на Америку интересно смотреть, ибо там постоянно кого-то убивают (Линкольна, Кеннеди, Освальда, Малькома, Кинга, не говорю уже про регулярные массовые расстрелы в местных школах), сколько на остальную публику, вдруг забившуюся в истерике относительно прав национальных меньшинств (зачеркнуто) чернокожего населения Штатов
942  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Pun & Fun Thread on: July 16, 2020, 08:17:33 PM


It must suck to be a good vacuum cleaner
943  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The Art of Exploiting vs the Bad Habit of Scamming on: July 16, 2020, 06:27:28 PM
However, if they are themselves scammers (e.g. refuse to pay out jackpots or anything to that effect), then cheating on them can be morally justified (as I see it)

Yep, something I had in my mind for discussion too at a later point. Like does scamming a scammer make you a scammer yourself ? From the general answers so far in this thread, I would assume that most users would be ok with doing it and you are no scammer per se, more like a modern Robin Hood maybe. But then again, a lot of users showed high moral standards (which is good) and even scamming a scammer is not easy to square with your conscience. You either have it kind of in your DNA or not imo and feel bad for doing it yourself, no matter the circumstances. Technically it will be hard anyway, since they are pro with scamming most of the times and you are not

I see your point

You basically say that to scam a scammer still requires you to be a scammer deep down inside ("to have it in your DNA") even if it can be justified on some moral high ground. However, if it is a good thing in its own right and serves a good end, you might try to reframe it. For example, disobeying an unlawful order:

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Not only should an unlawful order not be obeyed, obeying such an order can result in criminal prosecution. Military courts have long held that military members are accountable for their actions even while following orders

The trick "I was only following orders" doesn't work out in most cases. And we can draw some parallels here, i.e. not scamming a scammer when you are able to pull it off can be thought of as being involved in the scam. If you look at it from this angle, your conscience should remain clean and intact
944  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Physical Casinos Decoded : on: July 16, 2020, 05:45:01 PM
The problem with spending money to have fun in casinos (rather than being profitable) is that it can become habitual if you don't have any place to have thesame level of fun. It becomes a disaster spending alot of money and time in casino just to have fun... this is basically what betting/gaming addiction is... you keep losing money and refuse to quit due to the fun. Now imagine you're having the  fun while being consistently profitable in your bets/games, that will be tolerable

I wouldn't call that fun

Rather, it looks more like a rush (as in getting high from drugs or weed). When you are losing money and start to chase losses, this can hardly be construed as fun anymore. And that should be used as a fine line to distinguish between real entertainment and when it turns into an obsession (read, you mustn't cross it)
945  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The Art of Exploiting vs the Bad Habit of Scamming on: July 16, 2020, 08:41:45 AM
4) Lets say I have a trading bot (in betting or crypto exchange) and this bot goes wild due to misprogramming and I lose loads of money. Are all these users filling my orders scammers, when it's obvious that these prices are wrong ?

This seems to be a good place to start out (you should have probably made it #1 item in the list)

It is obvious that traders filling your orders are unaware of the fact that your bot went nuts. Moreover, they themselves may be using bots. In this way, you can't call them scammers or cheaters. And even if it looks like something went totally wrong on your side, there is no certainty of that. To sum it up, in trading the answer is pretty straightforward. You cannot call scammers those people who are filling your allegedly wrong orders as there's no knowing

Indeed, it is more complicated with casinos as little doubt arises when something is totally off, e.g. when you start winning all of a sudden and that is definitely not due to a streak of luck. With that in mind, there are two major choices to be made. If you consider the casino in point as a legit and honest one, then exploiting the bug will be cheating (I don't think scamming is an appropriate term here). However, if they are themselves scammers (e.g. refuse to pay out jackpots or anything to that effect), then cheating on them can be morally justified (as I see it)
946  Economy / Economics / Re: How in the world we going to restart the world economy ? on: July 15, 2020, 09:54:36 PM
Yes the future doesn't look so bright at the moment, but we humans can adapt. I don't think people are completely broke yet. Most families just completely cut off spending on non necessary items - but didn't liquidate all their saving yet - stock prices are still fairly high, no panice selling yet

That's because new money gets pumped into it

But this can't go on indefinitely. And if the current situation doesn't change for the better, we should see an abrupt readjustment, to the downside obviously. I'm not so worried about stock markets as about Bitcoin since there's been lots of correlation between cryptocurrencies and traditional assets recently. And if the stock market goes into a free fall, crypto is likely to follow

As soon as the corona numbers will fall drastically the economy will pick up again. I believe once spending picks up again the companies need to hire their employees back. We must keep optimistic about the future - this crisis will pass

Spending seems to be supported by fiscal stimulus now. When it runs out, things may quickly turn from bad to worse
947  Economy / Economics / Re: Is global adoption of Bitcoin possible post-Covid? on: July 15, 2020, 08:35:27 PM
I’m glad that one of my friends raised this topic last night and then mentioned about bitcoin. He already knows that I am into bitcoin, but he wasn’t and was waiting for the right time to ask me about it so that I can introduce it properly to him. He asked whether it was a good investment, I made him know it’s a good one but there are risks just like other investments out there. He was already investing in low risks bonds, and after our discussion last night he’s also planning to invest little money in BTC

Myself, I wouldn't advise anyone on investing in anything, Bitcoin or otherwise. Basically, you can't give exact instructions on how to make money (as there are none). Then, if something goes wrong and your friend loses his precious shekels, he will blame you even if he won't reveal his feelings in the open. He will inevitably and unwittingly feel a grudge against you. If you now feel responsible for the feasibility of your advice and how it is going to play out for your friend (which you should), you can expect such an outcome

But ultimately, it is up to you, of course
948  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Those that hate risks! on: July 15, 2020, 08:02:44 PM
You should not think of going into trading if you hate to lose money. I have read some comments both here and on social media on how much has made and lose. Trading is all about losing and making money, if you are afraid of one then avoid it completely

You can't remove fear

It is a basic emotion and only severely disturbed people don't have fear. The good news is that it is not the amount of fear you have that counts but what you do with it and how you can handle it. Further, I don't think it is a good idea not to hate losing money, either, as it essentially amounts to love of losing money. Probably, what you wanted to say can be rephrased as not to be penny wise and pound foolish. That I would certainly agree with
949  Economy / Economics / Re: Can we rely on Bitcoin and cryptocurrency? on: July 15, 2020, 05:38:39 PM
As you can see during this time, Bitcoin had been struggling to sustain its upward momentum in the market let alone to sustain someone's economy. It can help a person individually by the job created by some company that wanted to take advantage of the cryptocurrency market and its taxes but the effect of such is too small to help the sustainability of a country

Well, personally, I would use a different terminology, more specific one

Bitcoin can be used as either a means of exchange (payment) or a store of value. The use that interests us here is that of a means of exchange. So the right question to ask is whether it can be used as a self-sufficient means of exchange in the economy of a whole nation without relying on fiat (provided we discard technical limitations like transaction costs and times)? Yes, it is volatile. However, it is volatile in some other fiat currency (mostly, the American dollar), and this volatility can be attributed and assigned to the volatility of that fiat
950  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trade isn’t for Me guys. on: July 15, 2020, 05:18:30 PM
Anyone actually can be a good trader, maybe you are just rushing in without the enough knowledge on what you are taking in. You may think of quitting to trades now, but there might be sometime that you'll realize of you becoming a much bettee trader. Learn and practice first dude. You should learn from that lost

I can't quite agree with this view

Although it can be claimed (with some reservations) that anyone is capable of becoming a good trader (even though we may disagree on the exact definition of a good trader), we should also take into account "opportunity costs". What I mean is that it may be more rewarding both in terms of money and in terms of satisfaction to get engaged in some other activity, more suitable for a particular individual
951  Economy / Economics / Re: Where Markets are Still Free on: July 15, 2020, 11:18:00 AM
But what is meant by a free market here?

As in free from what exactly? If it is about being free from regulation, well, that may not necessarily be a good thing (though opinions vary). And the gold market is heavily regulated, just in case, very much like any other traditional market out there. If it is about being free from manipulation by the deep pockets, then Bitcoin has never been free from that. Moreover, it has become famous for being extremely vulnerable to the whimsy of big players. So what is free about Bitcoin as long as markets for it are concerned? 
952  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Physical Casinos Decoded : on: July 14, 2020, 08:49:56 PM
Casinos are interested in a sustainable cash flow, first and foremost, and that means retaining their customers (as the poster you replied to hinted at). I don't think you are going to come back after having been rekt. Therefore, casinos are not in fact interested in you losing all your money. Instead, they are interested in you receiving satisfaction in exchange for your precious shekels, as any other legit business out there
I agree, casinos are like any business, would you return to a restaurant that you know is ripping you off? The answer is obviously no and soon enough that restaurant will go out of business as it gets a bad reputation, and the same is true for casinos, most of the profits of casinos comes from repeat customers, obviously they want to beat the player but not so much that he gets frustrated and vows to never come back, in fact it is in the best interests of casinos that some players win from time to time so they can tell their stories of their good nights in the casino and bring even more players

There's definitely a certain optimum point on the profit-generating curve

For simplicity's sake, we could basically agree that this curve takes the form of house edge values as a variable. If the house edge is, say, 5%, this is an onerous rip-off indeed. However, making it too low, e.g. below 0.5% would (allegedly) hurt the casino's profits without a sufficient increase in their client base (whether it is actually true remains to be seen, though). So, the house edge went down over the years to some optimal value established experimentally, which seems to be around 1%, with some options like rakeback pushing it even lower
953  Economy / Economics / Re: How long will it take banks to phase out physical cash completely? on: July 14, 2020, 08:16:52 PM
Now the real question is, how long will it take banks to start the transition from physical to digital cash (CBDC)? Do you think that physical cash will still be used right after governments adopt CBDCs in their entirety? Or will it take decades before every single person in the world stops transacting with physical cash, paving the way for a full-fledged cashless society? Your input will be greatly appreciated

What do CBDC's have to do with this transition?

Regardless, if some government decides to get rid of cash money completely, people will start to use a foreign currency instead. If all currencies across the globe turn into cashless fiat, people will start to use something else. All in all, it looks like you are putting the cart before the horse, i.e. cash is going to die only when people no longer need it en masse. Until then, any government trying this out will only hurt itself
954  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - $500 Daily Race! 30% Rakeback! DICE with the best autobet mode on: July 14, 2020, 05:45:48 PM
The major flaw on martingale is the player getting greedy or relying too much on autoroll.  That is when martingale become very risky to the point of devastating to someone's bank roll

Greed has ruined many a gambler indeed

However, I don't agree that autobet is the major flaw of martingale, or a flaw at all. Again, it is how you use it and for what purpose exactly. If you are going to beat the house edge through variance, autobet is a blessing as the more rolls you can make per unit of time the better. Metaphorically speaking, you are not going to catch the cat by its fat tail after 10 rolls. Fortunately, the larger the number of bets you account for (that's the crucial point), the more reliable martingale becomes
This type of talk has been around for a long time and I am pretty sick of it. What people and me trying to say here is that, if you want to make money as in "this is my job and income" type of money gambling, you can't. Because, the "play for a while, stop when you are ahead" will not happen in the long run because you can't stop while you are ahead, you need to keep playing to make an income

To make it clear, I don't want to say that "this is my job and income"

What I actually want to say, and in fact always said, is that you can earn money consistently and reliably with martingale once you account for the time period within which you intend to keep playing (a month, a year, a lifetime). Whether you actually will be able to make a living out of it, I don't know, as it all depends. But if not, that will be because of the limits imposed by the casino (like max bet amount) and not due to martingale inherent limitations. And let's be honest here, it doesn't make a lot of sense to plan further into the future than a few months with any particular casino
955  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - $500 Daily Race! 30% Rakeback! DICE with the best autobet mode on: July 14, 2020, 01:10:10 PM
And I believe, we both agree that it is how we utilize these tools that mostly determines the outcome of our session

That's what I've been trying to get across in every attack on martingale

But that's only the tip of the iceberg. I'm almost certain that everyone who questions the viability and utility of martingale as a general stratagem consisting of many very different approaches to utilizing it in practice once tried it and failed. Well, maybe not just once but still failed, probably miserably. I for one lost 1.5 BTC for using it recklessly

And then, on this account, they proceed to conclude that it is not a working strategy. It is indeed psychologically easier for one's ego and more convenient overall to pretend that something doesn't work at all instead of accepting one's personal failure at it (aka shifting the blame). Though I'm not sure if it is the right place to delve into such complications here
956  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The odds of seeing a series of n outcomes on: July 14, 2020, 09:50:15 AM
Trying to understand what the "series" means in coin tossing world

It is the same as everywhere

A series is just a certain number of consecutive, i.e. following one after another, tosses (aka outcomes). In dice, that would be rolls. "A series" of one toss is just that one toss, i.e. either heads (H) or tails (T). Then, a series of two tosses can be HH, TT, HT, and TH. A streak generally refers to a series of same outcomes like HHH in coin flipping or LLL in dice

I think we can further reduce the task to just one toss. The chances of seeing either heads or tails are 0.5 in one toss, and they would be that on average after, say, 1 million tosses. Statistically, it means that in every two tosses we are going to see exactly one head and one tail (as the odds of either are 0.5)

With that said, though, there is no certainty that we are actually going to see either in any given series of 2 tosses. The idea is that in practice there will be long streaks, and thus we can't say that we should always see a head in the next two tosses, or any two tosses, even if the probability of heads is 0.5. But if it is not 100%, what are the chances then?
957  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The odds of seeing a series of n outcomes on: July 14, 2020, 08:42:36 AM
As it turns out, the odds are less than 50%

Correct - the chances diminsh as the number of consecutive tosses occurrs

Let's take a simplest example of two tosses

The probability of 2 heads (HH) in a row is indeed 0.5x0.5=0.25 in 2 tosses. The other possible outcomes are HT, TH, and TT. And if we make 1 billion tosses, we will come pretty close to that probability (0.25 for every couple of tosses). So this point is not challenged here. However, it is not at all set in stone that after we make 2x4=8 tosses (4 possible outcomes in 2 tosses), we are going to see the HH streak for certain even once. But if it is not a certainty, what are the odds then given that they should be less than 50% anyway?
958  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The odds of seeing a series of n outcomes on: July 14, 2020, 07:15:17 AM
You'd love statistics.  Calculating the probability of one side over the other - there's a tale of a POW during WW II who tossed a coin over ten thousand times and concluded that if the coin is tossed a great number of times the chances of heads or tails will work out to be 50%/50%.  There may be streaks where one side or the other is favoured for a short while, however over time that error will correct itself

Well, this topic looks into a different aspect of coin tossing

It is not about the probability of either outcome, heads or tails, as it is known for certain to be 50% on average. Put differently, it is either heads or tails, while the odds themselves are equal, and no third option is possible. So it is necessarily 50%. However, I'm trying to assess a different type of probability here, i.e. the odds of actually seeing, say, heads in the next 2 tosses (as 1/0.5=2) or any other particular streak of tosses, for that matter (say, 2 heads in 1/0.25=4 tosses). As it turns out, the odds are less than 50%
959  Economy / Economics / Re: Is global adoption of Bitcoin possible post-Covid? on: July 13, 2020, 09:18:17 PM
The problem is once again what it has already been. Creating money out of thin air devalues money and creates Inflation. Now most of the investors around the world are worried regarding the demon of "INFLATION" . Now it's a well known fact that inflation backed without by any Economic Growth could lead the country into a hyper inflationary stage

You are looking at only one side of the coin

It is indeed a well-known fact that expansion in money supply should be accompanied, and ideally even preceded, by economic growth. However, this analysis is not all-encompassing as it doesn't include every possible situation. And while what you say is true in general, it is not necessarily true under current circumstances. That is to say, you don't take into account the sharp decline in consumer expenditures due to the quarantine

People don't work and thus they don't earn money. Then, they can't buy (as much as before), and that, if left unattended and allowed to develop on its own, would cause deflation. To avoid this, central banks are injecting liquidity into the system. In other words, the fiscal stimulus is to make up for the lost income and, by extension, the loss of demand. If this policy is carried out wisely and cautiously, it shouldn't actually lead to unbridled inflation, if any inflation at all
960  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The odds of seeing a series of n outcomes on: July 13, 2020, 08:27:48 PM
Okay, I've been thinking about that, and here're my thoughts

So we could simply say that the odds are 50% but only to show that there is no certainty, while any other percentage would effectively tell us something about the distribution

If we assume that the probability of seeing a streak of n heads or tails is equal to 50% within N tosses (as we are talking about coin flipping here), we should then accept that the odds of seeing it in the next N tosses are the same because tosses are independent, and we can't and mustn't distinguish between the first sequence and any other sequence of N tosses

However, that would mean that the probability of seeing that streak in these two sequences (i.e. N*2 tosses) is 100%, which is obviously a wrong assumption. It might well be over 90% but still not certainty. Then we necessarily come to the conclusion that the probability of seeing the streak in the first sequence of N tosses is in fact below 50%

On the other hand, it could be argued that we can't really assess these probabilities as such assessment cannot be made in the same way we can't assess the probability of an event that has already transpired. In the latter case, we can't even say that its probability is 100% since there's no probability

This is important to keep in mind
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