You can get the same for 1700 inkl Vat and shipping from asic-hardware.com Hello all
I sell my bitmine DESK 1.1 TH received 1 week ago (Belgium)
All VAT et taxes already paid...
I sell it for 3000 euro + free shipping
or 6.5 BTC ...
Have a nice day
asic-hardware.com is a big scam  you can buy it from there, no problem  The only one who is a big scam is you, wanting 3000€ for a 1700€ device. I can vouch for www.asic-hardware.com It is the website of cryptx, who run a 1200TH community owned mine. They are a registered company, operating out of Belgium, Brussels Public stats are available here: http://peta-mine.co/stats/This proves that they have the hardware and they have been paying dividends from it since day one. petamine itself sell their customers hardware instead of mining with it. now the shareholders have to pay a ton of money for the loan taken to buy the new one. supporting a scam company? no. not even bitmine is making such a bad performance. Edit: no guarantee for used devices! finger away! |
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Why is this thread in Service discussion? This should be in the Lending or Gambling subforums, since this is obvious ponzi scam.
i was searching like two months for information regarding this fund. but i still suck getting a conclusion. good i read now you4 post. please share your evidences or pm me or we can also meet. i am very curios and you seem to be the right man. |
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i wonder the same, somethings fishy P.S the URL is down since a few days http://cryptopower.org/This thread appears to be the only thread that has ever talked about CPW -CryptoPower Mining, that is traded on Cryptostocks ( https://cryptostocks.com/securities/111) and maybe it should be permanently turned into one. Noticed that the total dividend being declared appears to be going up , but there is no announcement as to new mining gear acquisition. Also div from yesterday has not been payed and no announcement either. Does anyone know something? Email not working as well. Wrote an email to cryptostocks. |
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Not sure who it was on this forum, but someone not usually in my downline made a big deposit under bitcoin in one of the HYIP's I am in. Totally didn't have to, but I appreciate it whomever it may have been!
I am sure your work here is doing good and you are making money. thats not bad, you are pushing people into your systems. Its just funny, that you are warning people from a real company, which is not a ponzi. But hey, a real non ponzi dont need fresh money every day, right? Keep on hard work! a good list with most frauds, whatever topic you can find here: http://www.badbitcoin.org/ |
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Something has finally snapped for me. Refund requested.
I requested a refund earlier, but got news from support that lead me to believe the Rigs were just about to be delivered, and so I changed my mind and held on a few weeks longer. After all, I bought a Rig because I really wanted a Rig.
Now, I've lost faith. Ironically, now that I've requested a refund it wouldn't surprise me if the Rigs started shipping. However, I'm committed to the refund, since I have made other uses of my money.
It is 126 days since the agreed shipment date for my Rig. I'm well within my CPP rights to request a refund.
If any successful refunders have any advice, that would be welcome.
do what just others did: 1. take a lawyer 2. scam the forum everyday with the message that you did not get the refund. 3. sign a group claim 4. join the anonymous bitmine neurotic group 5. send alot messages and call bitmine. 6. after day 20 think about going to psychologist 7. go paranoic 8. go maniac 9. now make a date with a doctor 10. go depressive 11. claim never doing pre-orders again 12. make 3 months later a pre-order again, bfl or bitmine this time its different  12. is optional see you on the next pre-order?  |
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after bitmain cointerra is shipping from stock 1.6 th for 3.700.
so the time of faking customers and making them to kind of investomers, where all the risks of companys operations are given to the customer without profiting of his gain ARE OVER. I do hope no one will ever be fooled of preorders.
No pre-pay, no hoping of 'can they deliver in time', will the palastina conflict harm my delivery time without - for each day of delay compensation.
I do hope you can start selling your miners regularly and stop collecting money from the community.
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http://imgur.com/P0myVrgPrice or btc values, in % (looks the same). I've added the BTC price for each dividend pay date, as a reference. Hosting cost keeps rising and looks (correctly) correlated to btc price (until last week, were massive deployment happened... so should be fine). I'm not convinced that I'm looking at data correctly. Maybe I should add difficulty in there? If the trend keeps going this way, by the 1st of August we should have: 75% for Hosting
9% reinvestment
16% dividends.At the end of September, the dividends go to zero. Of course, only if the BTC/$ trend keeps falling and if we can't deploy at cheaper costs. I think that the focus now will really be on the new boards and on less power consumption units (or cheaper electricity?) Reinvestment looks good until now, over 20% while difficulty didn't keep the same rate. Am I reading this completely wrong? Does anyone have a nice excel to share? In 4-6 months you should get your investment back otherwise you are making loses in mining. So mining devices companys are giving you a price for hardware, so you can ROI in 4-6 months. On the same, they develop new more efficient hardware, so they can sell you after 6-8 months new hardware. thats 1x1 of mining since 2010. with that strategy there was possible to make 10% raise of difficulty every 10 days and mine without losing money, just making constant profits. petamine is a bigscale failed experiment. Once broken up with selling their hardware, because they were technicaly incompetent. Now, they are technicaly able to manage their farm, but they are too late for ROI. There are financial procedures to bring the project on track, but first there will be loses for the masses. When you look at their spreadsheet, they anticipated dividend going down, because of the their costs. Whatever, they calculated with max 3,5 PH raise a period, what was at the end of 2013 illusionary (because of the XBT jump). At that time 4 - 8 was realistic until end of 2014. As long the XBT stays low as now there should be no more higher jumps in difficulty. So a lower XBT price is living good in a symbiosis with mining. @mikemikemike we never forget and never forgive. because trolls and haters are destroing the world. so you still here to push petamine with your blind incompetance shown on neo&bee. Neo&bee stopped paying you? Petamine still paying you after your freak out? i told you, go to parliament being a lobbyist and not harming bitcoins. But I guess you cant, when you such a butt-head. Cmon start being cute again and repeat your sentance: "I was never ...... troll, hater, pusher, butt-head" |
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I'll be happy for Bitcoin to rise. I'm selling bitcoins as fast as I can mine them. If someone gives me $550 for a worthless bit of code on 4th May, bring it on  thats the right answer, how did you know? we have a winner! |
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This thread is needed.
Speculators, overall harmed most of bitcoin economy, but none of them on the same level day-traders did. They are mostly interested in fiat or if interested to gain more BTC is only to have more leverage in terms of fiat. They think in fiat, feel in fiat, want fiat. Bitcoin is just an instrument. They do not care what happens with bitcoin tomorrow if they gain money now.
The problem is this kind of behavior is taking up a big portion of the community (nobody expects it to be 0, but lower would be better).
So the warning is this: stop day trading. Soon we'll have a nice tragedy of the commons if people continue to sell again, when Somalia bans bitcoin again for the 100th time. Everybody is here to make money, but more money are to be made if we keep in mind only 10 mil of BTC exist. (If taken out 2 mil as lost forever)
If I could afford to buy 100 coins, the only thing I'd do is keep it in offline storage. Risk of trading them in exchanges is too high. See MtGox case. Lots of successful traders lost almost all because all the gains were kept in the exchange. There was this guy trading from 2010 and tripled his coins. Where are his coins now? In his wallet or into Mtgox Nirvana? Think of it.
You are the key. Price is the measurement of your holding patience.
Nothing changed for you to sell. Still 10 million bitcoins exists and a max of 21 mil. So if 10 or 21 mil people want it, they can only have 1. If you have 10, you're 10 times better.
I agree. trading is like fighting in the arena. you can do it with risk even with a good trainer. as long I keep my money in bitcoins I dont feel I have less value so I am not interested inn going to the fight arena, even other people saying I could make money going into the ring. agree completely |
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It has always been worth at least 6 digits. Most of the world is just slow to catch on.
Well, sure! To someone who bought at 4 digits, there would be a bit of bias there.
How do you separate actual use from the speculative demand? I'd like to see data backing that it's not just your own sentiment.
I can claim that one BTC is worth one million, and would be as valid as your opinion of $25, but in the end, the price is dictated by the market, clear and simple. It's currently $429.
Fair enough! I'll try to compile my lists of data and post it up
You assume that Bitcoin has zero use as a store of value. A price of 50 dollars/BTC, total market cap 600 million dollars, assumes that one million users have a demand of only 600 dollars worth of Bitcoin per person. Anyone who believes that is totally disconnected from reality.
That isn't how market capitalization works, besides, when there are indeed 1M users then maybe it'll be worth more. Bitcoin is a terrible store of value except when it's rising. If you were one of the unlucky saps that bought at $1200 where would you be now? You either sold in which case you aren't storing anything, or you are down 60%. I just don't see how that is a good store of value. Oh maybe you meant a good store of value for those who got in earlier than most??? It is not a stable store of value over a short period time, but it is the only asset that has certain invaluable properties which anyone who has taken the time to try and understand Bitcoin well understands. the first hour investors were driven buying bitcoin as the paradigm was setup that bitcoins was a currency. the same with the internet when everyone was investing in internet commerce at the beginning. bitcoin 2.0 says that the technology for the consumermarket interesting, therefor the focus on the idea of a individual side blockchain for every business. the resumme could be that there is less investment made in the sideeffect of the blockchain, the coins given out for creating the blockchain as in it it itselve. we are still inside the bubble, because of the nature of slow development of technology and market. the question is just if its going to burst or not. I think in 2015/2016 we are out of it, short term is difficult. |
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simple calculation
april
450th x 0.008 (price from cex.io) = 3600 xbt total project value 0.045 xbt per share value
700th x0.008 = 5600 xbt project value 0.07 per share value
mai
25 btc / 0.006 (price cryptx paying per ghs) = 4th x 4 weeks reinvestment
716th x 0.004 = 2864 xbt project value 0.038 per share value + dividend (4x 0.001) 0.004 xbt
loss of 35÷ of capital in one month when you buy now.
who's saying this mining project is a finacial win just cant count numbers or beting on people who cant count.
how to make win? by trading shares, only possibility. right mikemikemike? good sellings?
anyone who dont like that numbers, just ignore. dont hate and troll just have a nice day.
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Dear AUTOTRADE investors,
Dear users and distributors have been paid,
Dear users and distributors want to buy,
We are very very sorry,We didn't expect new products will bring so good/bad effect.
Now our great pressure,We don't hope you misunderstand our intention.
We decided to suspend the sale of BtcAutoTrader,
Please give us a little time to listen to our explanation,
and whether to continue to sell BtcAutoTrader,
We will launch a vote as soon as possible, please wait patiently.
Thank you very much.
Best regards.
Your AUTOTRADE Team.
How does an automated hedge fund cost 100000k a month? We introduced when AUTOTRADE IPO, our team is 8 people. We have members to monitor BtcAutoTrader for 7x24, some emergency need need manual processing. Now everyone's costs in 9 k ~ 15 k/month. In addition, office area, computer depletion, water and electricity fee, internet fee and many other operating charges. In US Dollar business you can make up to 2 % ROI every month in arbitrage. With approx. 8 % you are doing fine, your capital of 750 XBT is just too small and the market probably not big enough for more. You know it better. Running a fund is a hard business. Good luck and I do believe in a good solution for you and for the shareholders |
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Asking myself why the moderation of threads not really works?
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News about the BCMINECS are not going to be published anymore on bitcointalk.org.
We can all do better: Moderators, Members and Us. As long we continuing a behaviour harming the Bitcoins idea and we dont want it stop it, its better not to participate in it. There will be something new coming for sure...
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Quote from: bcmine on Today at 10:28:48 AM
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We are sorry our thread has been scammed by the members anonanatol and mikemikemike.
However, we cant and dont want to stop some member commenting. What we can do is reporting this members to a moderator so that IPs and members are getting banned. First what we can figure out is, that mikemikemike supported alot neo&bee project, which went bankrupt by missmanagement. Secondly he revealed investing in Petamine, when the shareprice was double as high as the IPO price, so he lost money, as well there. Anonanatol might be his second account or a friend. Of course there can be criminal activity behind his behaviour, but we dont want to investigate that or speculate about this individuals.
From our side, we are not stopping writting critical comments on mining projects and looking behind the press releases and numbers. I was never bashing against petamine or other mining projects like photoscam, scrypts mining etc.
Petamine Announcement
In case of Petamine, their made press releases with big numbers, without proving its real and so manipulating the shareprice. Maybe this time its different and we will really see the announced hardware coming. As the project is 3,5 months behind their claims, buying new shares is from our point of view just reasonable, when the selfmade hardware 250 Th, step by step really appears and bitmine is releasing his rig machine. When the new hardware is hashing and the shareprice even goes up it should be a good investment at all. Good luck and good investments.
Oh this is going to good.
Let me give you a bit of history about myself and why I believe without a shade of a doubt this project is a scam.
Oh this is going to good.
Let me give you a bit of history about myself and why I believe without a shade of a doubt this project is a scam.
My name is Michael, I spent my entire career after graduating with a degree in business enterprise as an analyst and lead analyst working in the digital sector, my job as such was to critically analyse situations like we see on these forums. As at now, I am semi retired and a travel the world investing in different cryptocurrencys and securities, this is my life, not a hobby or a job.
BCMINE first came to the Petamine thread in the early days, Petamine is a project I believe heavily in, it has a solid team with an excellent record and established contracts. Agreed it has had it's problems, but problems well outside anyone's control, just like most of the other mining companies, they were experiencing huge production side delays. But as at now, we are beginning to produce our own units and the future is looking brighter than ever. Please check out our thread to make your own assumptions, infact, I would insist after you read what I'm going to post below.
no. your are a lying piece of shit. you think im going to leave you alone just because you ask nicely? welcome to the real world. i have made an extensive list of the reasons this is a scam, until you can combat those and convince me your just an incompetent idiot with the mental age of a 13 year old and not actually a scammer then this will continue. but as at now, this is the most obvious scam i've seen since ive been here, and you are the biggest asshole i've seen here. continue posting opinions and personal responses, it only enforces the facts. and if you think im going to stop im not, ive got nothing to lose here.
Its o.k. again. You wrote your point of view. We are writting our points of view. We are not going to delete your messages, so we ask you to leave, because you are inpriopriate. O.k? There is no need for excuses from your side for your behaviour or for our to you. Yes, we will continue writting critical reports and number about projects, even when members are calling us spammers, scammers, or i*****. You are believing in projects, thats good. We are analysing, because we handle with money and making profit out of it.
We try to solve this problem here with you like in OUR real world . We are not excepting YOUR real world imaginations and will not support them, because we know that what you represent is NOT GOOD at all.
Thank you for your time (in our world that means, that you have to go now, but i guess you heard it already in the past)
everytime you make a post that lacks substance you just reinforce the facts. this is a forum, and i am allowed to post my opinion, and i will continue to do so because of the manor you conduct yourself outside of this thread. until you can defend yourself, which you can't, im going to continue. scammers like you make my life that little bit more interesting.
So once again
You lost your money with neo & bee then bought peta-shares for 0,1.
We sold our shares at that price. We paid Bonus dividends to the shareholders.
After the project was delayed, we warned of overpriced pump shares. and then the bitcoin price went down to 400 and the peta mine got more not profitable.
We were saying you, we are NOT going to delete anything. That is done by the bitcointalk moderators.
Sorry for your feelings. Dont blame us, for being assholes, to ask you keeping away from our thread.
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We are sorry our thread has been scammed by the members anonanatol and mikemikemike.
However, we cant and dont want to stop some member commenting. What we can do is reporting this members to a moderator so that IPs and members are getting banned. First what we can figure out is, that mikemikemike supported alot neo&bee project, which went bankrupt by missmanagement. Secondly he revealed investing in Petamine, when the shareprice was double as high as the IPO price, so he lost money, as well there. Anonanatol might be his second account or a friend. Of course there can be criminal activity behind his behaviour, but we dont want to investigate that or speculate about this individuals.
From our side, we are not stopping writting critical comments on mining projects and looking behind the press releases and numbers. I was never bashing against petamine or other mining projects like photoscam, scrypts mining etc.
Petamine Announcement
In case of Petamine, their made press releases with big numbers, without proving its real and so manipulating the shareprice. Maybe this time its different and we will really see the announced hardware coming. As the project is 3,5 months behind their claims, buying new shares is from our point of view just reasonable, when the selfmade hardware 250 Th, step by step really appears and bitmine is releasing his rig machine. When the new hardware is hashing and the shareprice even goes up it should be a good investment at all. Good luck and good investments.
Oh this is going to good. Let me give you a bit of history about myself and why I believe without a shade of a doubt this project is a scam. Oh this is going to good. Let me give you a bit of history about myself and why I believe without a shade of a doubt this project is a scam. My name is Michael, I spent my entire career after graduating with a degree in business enterprise as an analyst and lead analyst working in the digital sector, my job as such was to critically analyse situations like we see on these forums. As at now, I am semi retired and a travel the world investing in different cryptocurrencys and securities, this is my life, not a hobby or a job. BCMINE first came to the Petamine thread in the early days, Petamine is a project I believe heavily in, it has a solid team with an excellent record and established contracts. Agreed it has had it's problems, but problems well outside anyone's control, just like most of the other mining companies, they were experiencing huge production side delays. But as at now, we are beginning to produce our own units and the future is looking brighter than ever. Please check out our thread to make your own assumptions, infact, I would insist after you read what I'm going to post below. no. your are a lying piece of shit. you think im going to leave you alone just because you ask nicely? welcome to the real world. i have made an extensive list of the reasons this is a scam, until you can combat those and convince me your just an incompetent idiot with the mental age of a 13 year old and not actually a scammer then this will continue. but as at now, this is the most obvious scam i've seen since ive been here, and you are the biggest asshole i've seen here. continue posting opinions and personal responses, it only enforces the facts. and if you think im going to stop im not, ive got nothing to lose here.
We try to solve this problem here with you like in OUR real world . We are not excepting YOUR real world imaginations and will not support them, because we know that what you represent is NOT GOOD at all. Thank you for your time (in our world that means, that you have to go now, but i guess you heard it already in the past) |
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We are sorry our thread has been scammed by the members anonanatol and mikemikemike.
However, we cant and dont want to stop some member commenting. What we can do is reporting this members to a moderator so that IPs and members are getting banned. First what we can figure out is, that mikemikemike supported alot neo&bee project, which went bankrupt by missmanagement. Secondly he revealed investing in Petamine, when the shareprice was double as high as the IPO price, so he lost money, as well there. Anonanatol might be his second account or a friend. Of course there can be criminal activity behind his behaviour, but we dont want to investigate that or speculate about this individuals.
From our side, we are not stopping writting critical comments on mining projects and looking behind the press releases and numbers. I was never bashing against petamine or other mining projects like photoscam, scrypts mining etc.
Petamine Announcement
In case of Petamine, their made press releases with big numbers, without proving its real and so manipulating the shareprice. Maybe this time its different and we will really see the announced hardware coming. As the project is 3,5 months behind their claims, buying new shares is from our point of view just reasonable, when the selfmade hardware 250 Th, step by step really appears and bitmine is releasing his rig machine. When the new hardware is hashing and the shareprice even goes up it should be a good investment at all. Good luck and good investments.
Oh this is going to good. Let me give you a bit of history about myself and why I believe without a shade of a doubt this project is a scam. My name is Michael, I spent my entire career after graduating with a degree in business enterprise as an analyst and lead analyst working in the digital sector, my job as such was to critically analyse situations like we see on these forums. As at now, I am semi retired and a travel the world investing in different cryptocurrencys and securities, this is my life, not a hobby or a job."We are not what are, we are what we do." Even you say you are having a degree in trading or a title. However, your behaviour is not of an educated person. Without your ability of controlling emotions, you cant be good at whatever. Whatever you are good at, you cant be good at all, beside you are screwing people. You mentioned that you are afraid of that, maybe it happens to you because you doing that with other people. Thats a common rule in life.
Losing money, losing controll of yourself. Losing with petamine and with neo&bee.Please stay away from my thread. I really appreciate your comments, but I kindly ask you to stop commenting there. Its not contructive or giving a different point of view. Its irresponsible and discusting. I am sorry to say that, you should have known that before acting like a terrorist to get to your point. Thank you and I wish you alot of success with your sharespeculations so you dont lose so much money again. P.S: Your personal messages to me like: "ahahahaaaa!! your project is dead you scamming piece of shit!!!! i hope your investors find you when you run away with their money, people like you deserve what you get!!!" Boy grow up! |
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I bet 5 BTC against your delivery date. No problem to send the money escrow to you. Facts, what can happen in the development of your product in time are endless long. And i am sure more than half of your projects you started were delayed or cancelled (what is so normal, see Intel, Tegra, AMD etc). Say different and its a lie. Only 5 BTC ? Put 25 BTC in escrow and post the details. If we'll miss SP30 delivery dates, one "Farmer's choice" ( http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/3-x-sp30-yukon-august-batch) is yours, free of charge. Agree? Edit: This offer expires in 2 hours Edit2: The offer expired. It saddens me to read this post, for I put you guys above conducting such shenanigans. I put my neck out quasi-endorsing you guys, and this is how I'm rewarded. Outta all the marketing know how you guys possess, it would have better served you to politely ask posters who veer from what's expected in this thread, i.e. "I bet you...", to take it elsewhere, but you opted to chime in, going as far as taking and upping the bet. This does not bode well! Do you guys have any idea how much market share you just lost due to this one post alone? ~Bruno Kucinskas what utter guff. anyone who can't put their money where their mouth is, should really just shut up and let folks do as they will. what was shown was the solid confidence that these rigs will ship on spec and on time. nothing less and nothing more. I like your style! Sara's into pole dancing ;-)
how much for a blow job? ... it would have better served you to politely ask posters who veer from what's expected in this thread, i.e. "I bet you...", to take it elsewhere, but you opted to chime in, going as far as taking and upping the bet ...
Good advice. It was a one time offer. Not to be repeated. That's how you handle errors. We are all human. I would be an ass it I continued this dialog, but it looks like it's not needed. Always bear in mind that customers and non-customers (me, for one), alike, are watching you folks, for Bitcoin is at the core of your endeavor, and that's what we're looking out for whether it's miner makers, exchanges, scams in general, etc. Thanks again, bud. ~Bruno Kucinskas Hello Bruno, My definition: Any risks of delay should not be put on the customer as he is not responsible for the companys work or sucess. No pre-orders for him. Investors are taking risks by giving money to a company and get reward in profit. Pre-order is a risk so an inestor can take it. 'Investomer' is taking the risk of a Pre-order and getting no reward from profit. Thats is how you make a business with a company in real world with a contract which is saying that you are getting compensated for every day of delay because of your lost income. This company is not giving you a legit contract. Its based on trust. Bitcoins philosophy is instead of making agreements on trust, using a technology which is working without it. In businessworld you are having contracts to avoid that you have to trust someone, that someone is selling you something. I dont think you understand bitcoins at all. Sorry. Verstehst du? Best regards, Christof |
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