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9501  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Infographics] Does Football Betting Pay Off? on: August 13, 2022, 10:24:30 PM
There are too many factors influencing an accurate outcome to that survey ...

1. People can lie about their success.
2. The amount of people that participated per country.
3. The knowledge levels of the people that participated. (Professionals or Rookies)
4. Population of the country.
5. Citizenship. (UK are a mix breed of people)

So you cannot simply take this as an accurate reflection of the facts per country. You have to gather more information of the people's background before you draw up the statistics.  Roll Eyes

Eventually the things you say here are true, many people can lie, sometimes that can damage the results and you can't have totally truthful information, although I think one thing, and as my personal opinion there is one thing that influences many of us , we can have a lot of knowledge, but if there is a team associated to our liking, even if the team is at its worst, the person will always bet in favor of that team, just because the fundamental part is much stronger and weighs more on the team. when making a decision that the same reason for reality, and only this, what we commonly call "emotions" is sometimes far above our own perspectives and can damage a decision.
9502  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: taking out a loan for a sports bet (UPDATE) + fixed match on: August 13, 2022, 09:56:13 PM
It is very easy to borrow and so hard to pay off.
I have never met a single person in my life who has borrowed the money and paid off the way they borrowed the money.
If the loan is taken for some good reason like for starting any business then it is good and it can be paod off. But for gambling or anything like that is pretty much awful decisions in my opinion.

If the OP can verify the reliability of his insider information. Taking a loan will not gonna hurt much to boost his bets but not the point that loan an amount worth a forune and invest it on gambling. I agree to your opinion if we are talking about normal gambling here but the OP case is different because he is claiming that he has an insider information that will give him an advanced info on the outcome of the game which is really happening in sports on some countries.
Well for me this always represents a risk, because even if they say that the game or the results are fixed in advance, it also represents a great risk, I would not be so confident in that, although this type of practice does not surprise me because obviously in everything it has always been fulfilled, besides this reminds me of the series called "Peaky Blinders" which they do this type of practices that was also done at that time, this is something that happens not only in sports games, I think in many They fix things and their business model increases greatly, as well as the large raffles that are held, which are very common.
9503  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022 on: August 13, 2022, 09:08:25 PM

If an old champion has no motivation to defend his title, then he is weak. Like it or not, but the motivation and will to be the best for many years is one of the parameters that determine the strongest players. Carlsen gave up the title and the fight for the vacant seat is interesting by definition.
In addition, we can assume that the level of contenders for the title is approximately the same, so we will see a sharp fight and not the dominance of one side, as in previous matches.

I wouldn't call Carlsen weak but it is indeed interesting that he vacated his title. In his mind, he has nothing to prove anymore as he is already a 5 time world champion and one of the greatest chess players of all time.
I hope that he can reach the impossible 2900 elo level as that would be some accomplishment!

Well, yes it is true, but we also do not know what situations he is going through, even so that will not take away all the mastery with which he plays chess, I would like to one day reach his level, but it would be with training almost 24 hours a day and that It would not be normal, in fact, it would be a great effort and I think that in the situations we are currently experiencing and with all the things that must be done, it is not very profitable, so perhaps he is going through a personal and very particular moment, but I don't think that has to mean that he is weak, I think that even with thousands of problems he will continue to win and be champion.
9504  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Mayweather Vs McGregor: Info and prediction thread on: August 13, 2022, 07:18:14 PM
It pains me to bump this thread again...  It really does...  I read an article today though that says McGregor and Mayweather are currently in talks to do a repeat of their last fight.  Supposedly they're arguing now over what the rules would be.  Dana White recently said that he wouldn't sign off that fight, but money talks and I'm sure he says that every time he would have to go into a negotiation like that.  It sounds like a fight is making progress though, which is confusing because McGregor said that his return would be in the octagon not the square.
As usual, these fellas need to set up something just to fill their pockets once again on simply showing off some jabs and running and viola... Easy millions.

Just snipping out something from this article.
Mayweather has reportedly offered McGregor $157.9million (£131.5m) for the rematch and is said to be willing to put his unbeaten professional record on the line.

https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/conor-mcgregor-floyd-mayweather-rematch-20220726

For Dana, when the money involved is something that cant really be ignored then i wont really be surprised if he would be signing up.




Mayweather putting his professional record on the line? I think that is not possible, Mayweather is quite sensitive in protecting and preserving his record. Although their first encounter was added to his professional record which he retires officially after the said fight but he also said that he won't be putting his record anymore to his next bouts if he will have any.

But if it's boxing, I don't have some doubts that he can still maintain his record while also adding up to it because he have the edge compared to McGregor who is just trained to exhaust his gas and energy in mere 4 rounds so it's quite easy to say that Mayweather will still win.

Despite all this, I think the fight would be one of the titans, and I would honestly make the bet in favor of Mc Gregor because obviously I know that Mayweather has won many of his fights very attached to the technical, and when he sees himself in trouble he help me with that, just the disappointing fight against Pacquiao where he ran all over the ring for me is enough to put all my money on Mc Gregor, I think Mayweather is a very talkative fighter, and things with Mc Gregor will not be So, with this boxer I would like him to give him a good knockout, and obviously he will not put his record at stake, he knows he can lose it, so he is not stupid at all, he is very cunning, I would like that fight to take place now.
9505  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: An alternative to gambling with money. on: August 13, 2022, 05:10:32 PM
^

That will never happen. If a person decided to stop gambling because he realized that he already has a gambling addiction and it is progressing he will stay away from gambling and not play even with fake money because such a game is not able to resist addiction and most likely even aggravates the already deplorable situation.

I know a guy who lost a lot of money because of his gambling addiction and now he completely ignores it without even playing cards with his friends.
Those which have never been addicted to anything may feel that such a posture is too extreme but it is precisely what it must be done, the desire to go back to their old ways is too strong for those which were addicted to something, and as such anything that resembles the activity may be more than enough to lead them to that path again, so it makes sense that the person that you know does everything he can to avoid putting himself in a position in which he could fall victim of his addiction again.

No doubt, that's the reality inside you. Once you came from that kind of addiction, the eagerness once being triggered again will flow. It's something that, unexplainable but the lust will continue to flow on you. It's better to stay away completely and never to think of any alternative that is still associated with your addictions.

It is a have to keep yourself busy doing other things instead of trying to play, even using a play money.

The system inside you will lead you to play back using real money. It's unavoidable.

Yes, always in any addiction when it is taken for granted that it has been overcome is when you should be most careful not to fall again because the moment you fall it will be something much stronger and with everything, because the person will not only have anxiety accumulated, but he will also have a lot of accumulated desire and will want to do everything once he is there, this is something that must be taken care of, that is why a person with an addiction problem that he considers overcome is when he should concentrate the most on do other activities so that at any time or free time you don't fall back into temptation, that's something very difficult to manage but not impossible, I think it's all a matter of wanting.


I agree, as long as a compulsive gambler has access to gambling, the addiction will keep on going.
.There is no alternative for money ...these alternative for money will not work
I would highly not recommend to use different apps for the money game - rather save your time and do something productive
The alternatives for an addicted player always get them, I think that the best option for a player who is falling into addiction or who is already addicted is to do other things that consume a lot of time and tire him, one option is that he can play sports, constantly changing the environment, doing activities that require time and not giving him much time to play, of course quitting completely is not healthy either, because when he has a relapse the consequences will be worse, he is like alcoholics, You have to leave it little by little, play little, if you used to play two hours before, at least lower it to 1 hour, and the other week half an hour and so on.
9506  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 13, 2022, 04:35:42 PM
Here is the final weigh in, both makes the desired weight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jOehy73TD8

Garcia - 152¾  lbs
Benavidez - 153¾ lbs

Danny Garcia is still the huge favorite in this fight. I will not be surprised if he wins by a late stoppage or even with a knock out win. His left is still will be his favorite go to weapons. And winner of this fight will probably continue with this journey. While the loser will obviously have a hard time getting into the scene again.

The truth is that I would like Garcia to win, also because you can see that he is having a good time, and that he has prepared himself with great enthusiasm, you can see that, I also like one thing, that the other boxers are seeing that boxing is a path to be able to be filled with glory and also with money, I have been following some flyweight boxers, who have gone to the Olympics and have been interested in fighting professionally, this time not to get medals, but to get money, and I do not appreciate wrong, if they see boxers who are inspired by this type of fight, then let it continue happening and with that the business model grows and we would be seeing level 1A fights.

It's just my opinion guys, sometimes I over exaggerate statements and sometimes I admit my wrong understanding from those statements.

Moving on.

Nonito's career is not over, but if I would suggest, I think he should retire already.
Majority of us want him to retire already but I guess that we're not going to see it happen anytime soon.
Well, I don't know, but I think that Nonito still has a lot of cartridges left to burn, I know that now he is in a situation where they don't want him anymore, but it's normal for all boxers, for me it still doesn't help him to retire and if he's going to do it, he'll have to prepare a good round of fights where he won them all, it is better to go out through the 'big door and have a good memory of him, he is not a good boxer, only that he lacks a bit of alignment, it should be noted that now the boxers demand themselves a little more, maybe since he is from the old school he thinks that with what he knows he can leave everything that way, but every day he has to prepare with more intensity.
9507  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Teofimo Lopez vs Pedro Campa - Aug 13 on: August 13, 2022, 03:26:23 PM
I also voted for Lopez to win by either a knock out or TKO. Campa might be a good fighter, but Lopez is far more superior, he has the power and his boxing skills is underrated even though he lost to Kambosos.

And I'm not aware of the injuries he suffered, so it was due to the effects of Covid. Maybe this is one of the reasons why he lost (not making excuses though). Let's see how far Lopez can go in this weight class, I mean there are really good fighter in this division, that the road to championship and belt is going to be very hard for him, but nevertheless, it is not impossible.

Well, I really hope that López does a good job, as you say, the covid when it hits people usually leaves some things in the body, and those people who suffer from something in particular can develop much faster, I have friends and specifically an uncle of my wife, which, he got covid-19, he overcame it, but that caused his kidneys to attack and shortly after he developed a fulminant cancer that took him away quickly, in the case of athletes they have health conditions superior to those of a normal person, because their whole body is active and therefore their immune system sometimes makes nothing happen to them, perhaps there were no sequelae left and that is not an impediment to defeating Campa.

So we will see in this fight, maybe the PPV will not have great numbers, but the live gates might be very different. So we shall see, in the weigh in he was beaming with smile, could be that he is very happy to make the weight that easy, no more huge diet in his part just to make the contractual weight. And I also check the line, bookies are not listing any options for now, and that is too bad for those who want to bet and wants to see more options instead of the ML.

The fact that this fight is happening, means promoters are still making money despite not that much compared to the championship fight. It's Lopez's debut in this new division, if he wins this, he will more challengers before he can finally have a chance to challenge the champion.

What happens is that Lópe is launching himself into professional boxing, and he is not used to all the money he is going to receive, obviously this is a pretty good business model and it causes all kinds of emotions to be produced for the boxer, however, When all the gfans know the boxer's abilities, he will undoubtedly have a community of fans just for him. For me he can shine and he has a way to do it, I trust that he can give a pleasant surprise and enter professional boxing with all the law.
9508  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If There's No Casino Signature Will The Gambling Board Still Be The Same on: August 13, 2022, 01:23:53 PM
If you're promoting a casino-based campaign you need to post at least 5 to 10 posts in the gambling section Currently there are  1136622 Posts and  5903 Topics in the gambling discussion alone the gambling announcement not included making it the most active board here in Bitcointalk.

If There are No Casino Signature campaigns Anymore Will The Gambling Board Still Be The Same will we have the same stats as we are seeing right now
Definitely, we will see less threads in the gambling board compared today since we will find most of the members focus posting in other boards that are more important than gambling board as it’s no longer a requirement anymore. However, gamblers in born are still expected to give more time in the gambling board since they are inclined to it, while other forum members or participants will focus on other local boards to meet the post requirement in the campaign.

I believe that the sections that have to do with Gambling, Gambling Discussion cannot be seen only as the requirement to meet the demands of a signing campaign, there will always be players with doubts about the game, where they want to share experiences and something new that they have learned. , or even doubts, if we see it from the point of view of just meeting the requirement to fulfill that objective for campaigns, we only have to see it as a business model that moves through this area, in the case of Spam as many believe, which, sometimes if there is, for that there is the option to report to the moderator, I consider that sometimes people pretend that they do not know or do not want to accept that for all these things there is a business model very large that needs to be established, in my way of seeing business I see it as normal, and I do not think there is anyone here who does not like money and this is a way to be able to keep alive a section that is also very attractive active, every game, every casino will always turn out to be very attractive to people, of a large population I am sure that at least 80% or more like it, and this without making a probability, 'because there are people who do not even get into a casino to play, but if they get involved I am sure that the greater probability of liking is superior.
9509  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling in Moderation, Pros can out weigh its Cons in Financial and Health? on: August 13, 2022, 06:31:22 AM
Gamblers literally don't need to stop. Just take a break every after a painful loss and they can return again in action.

Stopping to do gambling is not that simple and it needs a strong dedication to do. But in the very first place, there's no need to actually stop. Just take it slowly and make way to moderate our gambling activity. In that way, we are not fully falling down to the negative effects of gambling.

I know it's hard to resist the temptation of gambling and chasing our losses is always the thing on our minds.

But if we don't do anything to help ourselves, then big problems are ahead.
If we still do discipline gambling, I guess there will be no bigger problems waiting ahead. Just knowing how to gamble moderately and of course, putting it into action will still make us profitable in the long run. Just try to always control your emotions when you are in loss to avoid more possible losses, otherwise you will go home empty handed and leaves the gambling casinos always with a heavy heart.
Discipline and gambling are two different things. In our region gamblers are not appreciated and they always face criticism and distress.
But its very good to know that many gamblers are disciplined and they don't steal other people's money and don't have lust for taking advantage of other. I have hardly seen selfless people who are concerned about themselves and are not selfish at all.


Well, the truth is that every player must have ethics first and foremost, there is no reason to steal from others, in fact if you play on an online casino platform there is no way you can steal, the only way is that you can get a vulnerability and manage to exploit it, even so it must be taken into account that this is quickly questionable and the offender is quickly found, in fact many casinos are updating all their systems to avoid these things, if we see the events from a point of view in favor of a player, it can be concluded that the player only exploits the vulnerability and the casino is blamed, but if not, he should inform the casino and the casino must give him a very good remuneration so that he can continue to exercise that trust between player-casino .
9510  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The characteristics of people who are addicted to online gambling on: August 13, 2022, 05:46:10 AM
The most common characteristic of an addicted gambler is they are greedy to earn more money from something they think will make them rich since gambling gives them an easy way to earn it. They forgot how to discipline themselves in spending their money in gambling and are too focused on the goal to win that they don't realize how much they already lose. Usually these are people who are in desperate need for money or want to escape their 9 to 5 job.
You are very right, they have money on their mind all the time. And they can go to any extend to get money out of pocket of the other people.
Last night I was watching a season where a plane crashed and the women who survived burnt the money to lit the fire.This is the worth of the money when you are stick in wilderness - and when you die. You take your deeds along, oh! the world is a horrible place with these greedy minded people.
Apart from the prevailing need to win money, I think that one of the things they take into account the most is winning the game, that is, in their minds the idea of always being able to win the jackpot is always kept, in cases like these, The person usually always seeks to be lucky with the first games, making large bets is an option or strategy that they have to win and that is where things go wrong, because if they lose that money, how can it be recovered? then the person begins to make loans and if he loses, he just continues to get into debt until a moment will come when he will be indebted to many people and may fall into a depression.

The character changes can be experienced once after big losses. Later after experiencing series of losses, it gets used to them. With most of the gamblers, while experiencing the very first big loss it becomes big frustration for them. Some used to end-up their lives and go for wrong decisions. If they've come up, then they'll give gambling or go behind looking for recovery. This leads to addiction. Characteristics of people addicted to online gambling mostly find ways to stay alone, so that they can gamble without any disturbance.

Loneliness in an addicted person is a common characteristic in all addicts, because either they want anyone to find out about their situation, it is as if the player himself believes that he is in a parallel universe through which he wants to let his environment know that everything is fine, usually this type of person when he takes that attitude is something more bitter, annoyed, he does not want to talk to anyone, he even moves away from his family and does not allow any interaction unless he is interested, and it is usually to lose pro-state money or something so that I can keep playing in the hope of getting it all back.
9511  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can change of environment have an effect on gambling addiction. on: August 13, 2022, 04:27:07 AM
In fact, those who become addicted to gambling become very difficult to withdraw from this gambling.Those of us who become addicted to something find it very difficult to come back. Similarly, those who are addicted to this game of gambling can never quit gambling.Yes it is possible only when a person realizes on his own that I am not doing this job well. Only then can a person get rid of gambling addiction.Otherwise it is not possible.
Gambling addiction is not easy to undo and most time it is caused by friends or boredom. We have so many gamblers who are introverts and the urge of gambling always increased because they have no one to talk to and because of that the gambling urge in them always increase. There are lots of environmental factors that can increase the urge of gambling addiction. We need to be careful the way we gamble to reduced any addiction that can make us a victim of gambling addiction.

I agree.

Being an introvert is not enough to assume that an introvert can get an addiction to gambling. Maybe there's no one around him (physically) that is addicted to gambling, or doesn't have any idea in gambling at all, but the internet is huge, where he can see a lot of people who are bragging their achievement in gambling which can trigger his interest towards gambling than can lead to gambling addiction in the long run.
When there is a case of addiction, it should be handled very subtly. I think that one of the recommendations is to play, but less and less. If a person plays for 5 hours, lower it to 4 hours, then the next week lower it to 3 hours, and so on until it decreases to at least 30 minutes, then to compensate for the time spent inactive in the game, it is necessary to do another activity, such as a sport, keeping busy, reading a book, something that lasts a long time, the idea is to forget a little of everything that has to do with the game, the longer the busy person lasts, the more profit to leave the addiction problem.
9512  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Boxing: Haney vs Kambosos II (Undisputed) on: August 13, 2022, 04:00:26 AM
It's going to be a big deal for Kambosos because he clearly lost the first fight and this was his only defeat. If he gets his ass handed to him for the second time he's going to make his lifetime score look much worse and he's taking on someone who's clearly better than him. We're talking rank 1 vs rank 4 in the division. The only good thing going for him here might be that he learned something from his first fight. I feel like he's going to lose again.

If Kambosos has learned something from this fight, it's that he can't go brawl with a technical fighter because he will be countered all night. And that's what Haney did in the fight. And if ever he adjusted, for sure Haney will do the same.

I like the 'ass handed to him' metaphor, and yeah that's what we have seen in the first fight. Kambosos has no answer whatsoever and as the fight goes on, he was evidently outclassed.

It's very tough for Kambasos to beat Haney if he is not quick enough to catch him. This is just like a Mayweather vs Pacman fight that although Pacman has the power since Mayweather is quicker than him, he could not beat Mayweather because Mayweather will just score against him. I'm seeing this rematch a possible same scenario in the first fight.
I agree with you, one of the things that Kambosos has is that he is not very fast, but Haney is, in this case hopefully and the Mayweather and Pacquiao thing will not be repeated because leaving everything based on a technical fight is usually very boring, And if Haney is going to do the same thing Mayweather did, which is to run around the ring, then the fight doesn't make sense, because everyone wants to see good punches, combinations, and explosive techniques. If this is the case, then Kambosos has to find a way to minimize Haney's strategy, it is not worth preparing as if he were going to fight any fight, this for him will be the fight that can give him victory and open doors to the best.
9513  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar - UEFA Qualifiers on: August 13, 2022, 03:24:25 AM
Argentina comes to Qatar with positive capital, namely the 2021 Copa America champion, the 2022 Finalisima champion. And an unbeaten record since 2019. I think this will be the capital for Argentina to win the world cup. I agree with you, Argentina is not only Messi but there are many other potential players.

Past accomplishments don't guarantee anything, especially if we're talking about tournaments like the Copa América (where Argentina has one big rival, Brazil) or the Finalisima, FIFA's next "important" one-game tournament. Argentina has a good team, but there will be many good teams at the World Cup and they will definitely not be the favorite there. As for Messi, even earlier, from tournament to tournament, his contribution was unstable, so it is not known how well he will play in Qatar.

Yes, you're right, the only thing is that this will be the last World Cup for Messi and possibly for Neymar Jr as well, as well as for CR7, this is what makes this world attractive because those players will want to give everything to take their team to the final and win it, in fact I think that if Messi was not activated here he has to be activated because that will be the image under which everyone will remember him and if he wins this World Cup he will be the hero that many expect him to be, and in this way he could have fulfilled everything, A similar case is what happens with CR7, since he is an icon in his country and all of Portugal trusts him so that he can win the World Cup.
Netherlands have a good reputation and records when it comes to football competitions, they are very well known for their spectacular performances and superiority in quality and skills which is a good advantage to their squad, hopefully we will see some of those qualities and trilling performances when the world cup starts.

Well, for me, one of the countries that deserves to win a World Cup is Holland, I don't know why, but they have been very close to glory and have not been able to achieve it, I think they play very well, they have had world-class stars who have been in the best teams in the world and even so I think that what Holando lacks is luck, good luck, because they have everything, the talent, the strategy, the strength, the speed, but in the end there is something that always fails them, So the way I see it, I think it's the so-called luck factor, because there are teams that have reached the final and yes, they win, for example Brazil, it's a complete team that has everything just like the Netherlands, but they have Had that kind of champion, I hope this World Cup Holando can go very far, they deserve it.
9514  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do You Think Its One Too Many on: August 13, 2022, 02:50:55 AM
But for me personally, such a case is almost impossible if the user is careful, meaning there will always be rules in most things in the casino concerned, so if such a case were to occur I think there would be a definite source of rules that might be overlooked. Because in the past there were incidents like that but in the end there were rules that were not understood by the users themselves, so cases like this were a kind of carelessness.

I also agree, that once the casino is very keen on their reputation, they will always solve any accusation asap because they don't want their perfect reputation to be tarnished.  If the case is left "unsolved" or felt ignored there might probably be a problem with the accusation. And the accuser isn't telling the whole truth about the story.

Business that gives them good source of income, they will not ruin it just by not acting the right way, if they are really missing something and they see that there's an urgency it will be accommodated to insure the gambler that they are in good hands, but if they see something and they've got some evidence to delay the process, they will also update the concern gambler and try to work with him.

Reputations can hurt the entire business and that's the deal where casino owners are very focused. They don't want
to lose their respected brand for not solving a case that they can look deeper.
True, for a casino that is being profitable it makes no sense to sacrifice it all over a small dispute, not only that I am sure that even when they know they are on the right but they believe that a particular case may bring them some bad reviews they may even decide to pay just to protect their reputation from vicious attacks.

Only casinos that are unprofitable, have long term cash issues, debts or immoral owners will consider sacrificing everything just to get some additional dollars in their accounts.
Yes, this tends to get a bit tricky, because the so-called "Devil's Advocates" always come out, which are very toxic and tend to tarnish any effort of a site or to attack a company, within which I have seen many examples here inside the casino, and they are very annoying, but a minor problem has to be dealt with quickly and not let it move forward and try to fix it, because otherwise as an issue is left open it gets worse and worse, so one of the things that should be taking care of the casinos is that, under which, reputation should not be risked for anything in the world, which is so difficult to obtain.
9515  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Rise of Streamers in Online Gambling on: August 13, 2022, 02:16:53 AM
This is kind of promotion for different platforms. In the past we used to see YouTube videos for the streamers making money and try their strategies. Now this has turned to be a way of promoting respective platforms and get paid. If we look upon the streamers it looks like they're spending big and making big money. The reality, they're funded by the gambling platforms and they play without the fear of losing which for sure brings in profit.

I think it's either the company hire them or this Youtubers just decided to go to other platforms and then promotions just started coming. So it's easy for them to make money and then promote the casinos. And maybe the casino too is feeding them with money so that they can able to sustain their play in live audience with huge bet on the screens. And that's why they are not afraid to go with max bets and not fear of losing because it's not their money anyway.

Well not only YouTube is a platform where Streamers can meet, a very famous platform is twitch, which in 2021 was so famous that almost all NFT players made a big community there, they used to make these presentations to acquire more players, more community and I'm not sure how much Twitch can pay to use their platform, I imagine they have some rules similar to those of YouTube, maybe a little higher so they make people go there, however for me the streamers are very positive for a casino, because it is a way of interacting with players, knowing what they want and how a casino can get new ideas to improve.On this subject, Stake.com are all masters.

Well never know the truth behind specially if we do see that a certain streamer do make out big bets then it would really be coming into our minds if those funds came from sponsor or just purely came from their own pockets which it is really unlikely because these streamers is doing their job to earn money and not to spend that much on the gambling platform itself.Its not really worth thats why its normal for people to make
out some presumptions that it was sponsored and not theirs even on talking about being rigged or not fair would really be included on someones presumptions.
We could really expect the rise of these streamers not only focusing on gambling but also in other industries as well.
If the casino sponsors the streamer, they can place big bets because the streamer doesn't think about where the money is coming from. And that's an advantage for the streamer because he benefits from what he does. Apart from earning money from the casino, he also has the opportunity to get additional followers who will become his referrals so that he will get additional income from them. And this is what triggers many streamers to appear this year because they can get a lot of extra income.
It is very likely that those streamers are receiving money from the casinos in order to create those videos and create a win-win situation for both of them, the casino is able to promote itself in such a way that many people do not really think of the streaming they are watching as a form of advertising, and the streamer not only earns money directly from the casino but they also gain more viewers, however I think that form of advertising is a little bit deceiving so I do not really agree with it.
I agree with you, there are many casinos that hire streamers and some that are very transparent, of course this brings them many more followers, it makes them have profits that can sometimes be very good to be true, however, the casinos that allow having streamers do it well, some that are very sensationalist if they can turn out to be misleading, there are many strategies that casinos apply, advertising and marketing is what every casino does, those who bet on a streamer that makes them look very good, and I think those who are famous streamers bring much more clients, it's all in the strategy they want to implement.
9516  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does bitcoin dump have any impact on gamblers ? on: August 13, 2022, 12:30:14 AM
Gamblers around the world use crypto and bitcoin to play the bets. Do they really care if the bitcoin prices dump hard? I know traders are directly impacted by this dump, and investors are also in panic but what about gamblers. Their motive is to play gamble and they may not be a concerned if the price of bitcoin is declining sharply?

Honestly everyone is effected with this dump. Gamblers when they lose money in savings go to gambling to try and get that money back and can end up losing it so this dump can have a really bad effect on all gamblers . I think its a difference between fiat and crypto gambling

That is one of the main reasons why the crypto market affects players, it could not have been said better, more when players bet with BTC, it is necessary to emphasize that the big players bet big and have the ability to support their movements, but those who are not big but make small bets have a hard time recovering, however I think that when the market goes down, it is most likely and I think that what most players do is bet what they have in altcoin, perhaps if they increase their altcoins it can improve their situation as far as what is lost in value is a risk that many take. However, something similar has been discussed in another thread that has to do with LN, which for me makes a lot of sense when you take into account the BTC.



For those like you, you won't feel the impact of it if you've decided to use those bitcoins that should be for holding. Emotions will push you to use it despite that you don't really have to but because of the situation, you're in that many losses.
You only have a few things wanting to do and that's to spend you have left on your holdings because there's no other fund you shall be getting it for you to continue and try to take back your losses.
When you are that impulsive then your investment or something been saved will really be in great risk or trouble on being spent which it would really be a good indication that you should stop gambling.
before its too late but if you do know that you are really having that good control of yourself when it comes to fund handling then i dont really see any problems with that.
Investment is totally separated on the thing you've been dealing with gambling which those funds shouldnt really be spent on the first place if you are really that too emotional.
Dont play if you do easily snip up those investments whenever you are in a loss.
It's quite rare to see those gamblers that will admit that they're no longer in control. They'll tell that everything's under control despite that they're already totally devastated by their addiction and that's why even their investments, all of it are being spent so it won't matter to them the usage of it whether bitcoin pumps or dumps. But I do recognize that there are gamblers that no doubt are in control of what they do.
The truth is that in those cases where a player affirms these things, I consider it dangerous, because he can deceive others, but in the same way he deceives himself, this is something that I do not see well, because a person must accept his condition, if he is addicted so that he can receive help, I know it can cause you shame, but it is better to do it that way, because otherwise you will stop having friends and your family environment will also be affected, these are things that a player or a person who is at risk must accept, of course everything is also in the personality of each player, and the way they attack those problems, it's all about seeing and knowing the details, and sometimes it influences how they should let others know, not everyone has the same understanding of a problem.
9517  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: August 12, 2022, 11:45:11 PM

He is indeed a versatile player, based on the data I got from FotMob, he can play in 3 positions (Center-Back, Right-Back and Right-Midfielder), of course this is very suitable for Chelsea after they lost Jules Kunde off their radar.

However, will this transfer happen? The reason is that even Bayern Munich included Pavard in the Pre-Season match which indicated that Pavard would be included in Bayern Munich's plans in the Bundesliga this season.

I also saw news that Bayern Munich could actually release Pavard to Stamford Bridge if the offer that Chelsea threw at Bayern Munich was high enough. So what do you think?
Chelsea have really lost great players to other teams in the current transfer window. I am sure they would be desperate to sign Benjamin Pavard. This 26 years French player would be  great asset to the Blues considering the amount of players they have lost this season. He is still young and versatile and Bayern Munich might be willing to sell the player to get a little financial stability after the expensive signing of Matthijs de Ligt. Haven lost Jules Kounde and Presnel Kimpembe, Chelsea might be willing to pay the right price for Pavard.
They have been hijacking deals from Chelsea,but I remember one that Chelsea's hijacked a deal from Arsenal.Arsena were on the verge of signing Rafinha,but Chelsea's came in at the dieing minutes and pay a higher fee to Leeds and they almost got the player,if not that the player had previously accepted  personal terms with Barcelona,who later hijacked the  deal from. Chelsea,so ever since then,they have been hijacking good players from them.

It is yet to be seen whether this one will slip off their fingers or they will finally grab this one.They really need to sign players that will help them achieve their goal this season,because almost all the big teams in the premier are signing players that will help them in their quest for the for tittle.

Yes, I very much agree with you, in fact, for me, Chelsea is one of the most disarmed teams, if they don't move fast right now, they can end up with very few players, and they must get the quickest thing, no matter which whatever the strategy, I think it's all about being able to achieve the goal, if we get to see each other, I think El Chesea has a good opportunity now, but due to the economic situation it is difficult to move, each club demands their money and has the right to do it, but how could it be done there if there is little money? It would be to ask Barcelona the formula, or perhaps, whoever they have to ecruestrar is the Barcelona negotiators.
Honestly I didn't have any expectation from Dortmund to beat Freiburg in an away game. Their performance last week made me doubtful about them for this game. However they still managed to win this very tough game. And they did this by scoring three goals in the last fifteen minutes of normal time. Dortmund are still a very interesting team. It is hard to predict what they can do in this kind of games.
Well to say vwerdad I also thought the same as you, but it was interesting, we cannot forget that Dortmund is a team that can give surprises at any time, for me Dortmund was very interesting when Lewa became known, and from that moment with that popular and at the same time very controversial coach gave a lot of level and showed the world that Dortmund was a team under which they had to respect and sometimes even be scared, for that reason without players who are so famous and who have given life to that they stand out here, Dortmund does not lose its level and everything that they mean is being demonstrated, in any case, we must continue to see how they perform against the other teams.
9518  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: August 12, 2022, 10:47:12 PM
Actually Neymar is a good player, therefore PSG brought in Neymar with a very expensive transfer fee from Barcelona. Even Neymar also earns
a very high salary at PSG, but Neymar is often injured and also the contribution given is not large for PSG. Then Neymar's performance is also
declining now, and of course this makes PSG management unhappy and the possibility of Neymar being sold. I think PSG doesn't need Neymar
anymore, PSG should immediately sell Neymar when Neymar still has a good selling value. Since keeping Neymar is not profitable for PSG,
and also PSG should have no trouble finding a replacement for Neymar with very strong finances. But the problem is that not many big clubs
can afford Neymar and are able to pay Neymar's very high salary. So PSG must be difficult to sell Neymar, then it is very likely that Neymar
for next season will still stay at PSG.


for me neymar is one of the top players in the world who has very individual skills with his Brazilian style of football. Not only that, Neymar is really needed by the PSG squad to get the Champions League title next season. 
it is proven that galtier still maintains it and is a main starter in the psg squad.

however the problem of psg is the cohesiveness in the squad, mbappe's privilege that makes the lack of harmony within the psg squad. PSG dream to win the Champions League title is not easy, to make it happen, Galtier must formulate something so that this trio of strikers can play and work together without anything special.
I think that Neymar is good in every way, yes, I have to be honest that the player sometimes likes to attract attention and play the victim when he plays, that sometimes turns out to be very annoying, I don't like it in particular the theater on a soccer field, however if PSG does not win this UCL it is because I will really consider them incapable in all their splendor, because they simply have everything that is needed, they have the players, they have the money, what else is can you ask? Ahh well, they don't have Zidane as coach, but if they don't take care of their players at any time they could lose Neymar, Messi, just because they favor Mbappé, which I don't consider a healthy strategy for the team.

By the way, at PSG internal problems have always arisen for this very reason among the players.

The game between nantes and lille today was a tight and competitive one, it ended in a draw but lille team was slightely better, they were more precise and they had more on goal shots, unlucky for them nante goalkeeper was present and he gave a point to his team.

Well, a point is a point, and everything adds up and in part is a gain, I liked this match, I saw how the performance of both teams was taking place, I liked the football that I saw, it is colorful and I think it can make this league good French that apparently already has the name of the champion, but I was thinking if all the teams played with that claw against PSG they could give it a good scare and why not? beat him, they are not invincible, but if they play at this level I think the French league will be very exciting and it will not be like last season, which to tell the truth I did not like at all, I did not see any emotion, I just liked the UCL.
9519  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: August 12, 2022, 09:52:16 PM
Currently the two best teams in La Liga are Real Madrid and Barcelona. Although we can see that Real Madrid's rating is currently much ahead. However, Real Madrid and Barcelona will soon be on par in terms of the number of players Barcelona are buying into their club. But still considering the direction of the game or the direction of the player, Real Madrid will definitely be ahead.
From a player perspective, it seems that Barcelona are now looking to win the title again after a few seasons of their absence to win the title because a major reshuffle occurred when Xavi took office, even though it seemed that they did not care about their financial condition.
But obviously in this case Madrid are one step ahead because regardless of now Madrid are starting to regenerate their players and this means their aim is not only for the short term but the long term.
From the players perspective, Barcelona is in a "win now" mode and if they do not, it is going to all come down on their heads. So, they either accept that risk and get a job there and play their heart out to win something, or else they are going to be in a club that they signed with which doesn't have the money to pay them anymore. That's a risk I wouldn't take as a football player at that level, these are all huge names and instead of getting 5, you could get 3.5 and instead of having a possibility of 5 not being paid, you could guarantee that 3.5 instead. Anyone who doesn't see the financial trouble should fire their agent and find a new one because even I can see that.
I think everything you say is true, but before all this, I think that the secret of winning the Spanish league is ensuring the first games played, and although the preseason is not bad at all, more so with the match between Barcelona and Real Madrid, where both coaches kept the best of each team, I think this league will be very interesting, and also something that I don't know if it's fake or not, but they're saying that possibly CR7 will go to Real Madrid again because of the issue that CR7 He wants to play the UCL, this would be something great and that could bring back good memories, when he was playing against Messi, as well as there are speculations there that Messi could return to Barcelona because Xavi wants him to return.

The game between Osasuna and Seville is almost coming to an end now, Osasuna is still leading Seville 2:1.
The second goal of Osasuna was scored in the 74th minute by Oroz who converted the penalty kick to a goal.
With the way Seville performed tonight do you think they have a chance to win the Laliga? I can't believe they lost this game tonight after all the new signing in the team.
Sevilla started this season by dropping points so easily when they lost from Osasuna club, I also don't believe it Osasuna as far as I know this club is not a top club that often sit in the top 6 on La Liga board, although this is a new start but at least Sevilla must have the spirit to win the title with collect points at the start of this season. At least they can still do it to 2-2 but not. I personally think Sevilla is not worthy to compete in the hunt this time, ball possession can be seen Sevilla having it with 66%, but their striker and defender looks a not good.

The truth is that I didn't like that game, I saw that they pay very little attention to the defenders, the Sevilla goalkeeper did a very bad job for me, I, the coach for the next game, would take him out and at least let the substitute goalkeeper do or had an opportunity, I would sit down the entire starting defense and I would put the entire defense bench, the midfield I think I did well, I don't blame them, just like the forwards I think they are fine, only they were not explosive and it is as if they had or lacked that spark that we all want to have when the game is not played well, but unfortunately they did not react, this sometimes happens in football.
9520  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Threshold of Loss in Gambling on: August 12, 2022, 09:01:27 PM
Look, I have to disagree with you only on the part where you say that players tend to stop playing when they reach their loss limit, I believe that many players unfortunately tend to bet more and more as they lose in order to try to cover their losses.

Yes, this is always the case that happened to the majority of gamblers.

Setting up a budget doesn't really work since they are just tempting themselves to gamble more.

If they win, they will still continue to gamble since they are lucky. If they lose, they will still continue to gamble to recover their recent losses. Whatever the result of their gambling session, regardless of the situation, whether they winning or losing, they will still continue to gamble as their adrenaline tells them to do so.

Setting up a budget per session is not an effective way to minimize loss. It's better to force ourselves to have self-discipline when to stop.

Yes, self-discipline is everything, but something must be taken into account, when we play as when we trade, there is a logical part that we must follow and pay attention to not lose money, but it is something difficult when in our minds we have seen so much news, analysis of other people, and above all the uncertainty of not following the plan comes into play, in this case I call it emotions, which are what often become our best weapon or our executioner in the game, the hope in the game is something that should be taken with caution, we cannot let ourselves be carried away by emotions, although it is very difficult to fulfill it, we must try to dominate it.

It seems that when you still have money to spend you will not care about the loss threshold, because when you become an addict or have a target in gambling you will not care how much loss you have experienced. Therefore, the loss threshold is only suitable for gamblers who have discipline, if they just gamble without a big plan they will continue to gamble without having the calculation to stop. Realizing the loss threshold in gambling also makes gamblers have limits and calculations in gambling, and not all players will do that which means they will only celebrate wins without worrying too much about losses.

There's nothing wrong with this attitude, in my opinion. I mean, those people who know their limits and risk only what they can afford to lose, those people have all the right to not worry about their losses and enjoy their wins to the fullest. That's how gambling makes you entertained: you lose $11, then you suddenly win $10 and you are happy although in fact you lost $1. But you should know that winning those $10 in the end is never guaranteed, and you must be ready to stop after losing, say, $15, if it's your limit.

Exactly, things are like that, when we are in a casino and we want to have fun and we allocate a balance totally willing to lose there is nothing to worry about, as long as things do not get out of control and you risk and lose more than you should, in my case I always use the strategy of only risking what I can afford to lose and it's like you say, when I play slots I don't risk a lot of money, the money I spend doesn't matter to me if I lose everything because I use it for my fun, now few Sometimes I have won, and on other occasions it is much more enjoyable, because the good thing about slots is that at any moment you win and what you bet is multiplied.
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