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9521  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: March 31, 2017, 05:07:43 PM
due to fraud bitcoin HYIP are more and more, i not suggest it.

handle coin itself will be best investment.

Except i open investment xd  Cheesy

You don't want to suggest HYIP but you are mentioning it though you are right that they are fraud and scam, no newbie should invest there to avoid frustration and being fooled by those lazy companies. Holding of bitcoin is one of the best investment but you need to take a lot of time before seeing the result, add to it trading of alt coin.

Holding bitcoin is better than getting tempted for easy high returns and then losing the coins. Many newbies fall prey of such investments and they can understand which ones are legit and which ones are fraud. They also want to make easy money and hence end up investing there.

The best investment is bitcoin itself. You can buy some today and see the price a few months later when increase occurs, you can sell it to get back profits. Then you can reinvest or save the profit.
9522  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: March 31, 2017, 05:02:54 PM
Find a day job and start working on it with dedication and that will give you steady and stable income regularly and keep bitcoin as an secondary income so even if there is no scope for you in earning from bitcoins then you always have an full time job which will help you in living.

Well it doenst need to be a day job, can be a night job, but i do agree with you, the most people has a job and crypto world is a secondary income for them. Some people i believe are able to survive with the money they earn from signatures, since they can live well with 150-250 dollars, and those is possible to reach in a month with some dedication at signatures and something else.
Day/night who cares just as long as you have a means to support yourself outside of the bitcoin community, most of us here probably have the same job we did before bitcoin even hit the scene.

I agree that the best way to earn steadily is to get a job that pays you in fiat or bitcoin. People can try trading which I find profitable and worth investing time and money in. However it is not easy and needs some good skills as well which one can get from practice. Steady income from this forum is possible in the signature campaigns and are good if you have good writing skills in a constructive manner.
9523  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: March 31, 2017, 04:36:56 PM
That's happening cuz it's addicted and same time fun. That's my opinion  Grin

This is one of the causes why people keep gambling more and more. They want to win back losses and have fun during the same time. They do get addicted and want to become millionaires in one day without working hard - everyone wants that and its a common notion that we wont work hard but we will earn more than everyone.
9524  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: March 30, 2017, 03:02:20 PM
It's the thrill and excitement which makes everyone coming back to gambling even when people *like you, lost more than what they have won.
The are very less people who have come above the thirst of gambling.

I never understood why that would be considered to be exciting if you lose more than you win. Its the first thing which put me off when I tried to gamble in casino games. Sports betting is better since we can often get an edge over the others if we play with proper analysis and knowledge.

People come back mainly to win back the losses and the temptation "today might be my lucky day to become a millionaire". Jackpots are created to make people come back to the casino and play more (that is lose more).
9525  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: March 30, 2017, 02:58:48 PM
I think if you have an amount that can full fill your needs then I would suggest you go steady because you don't have the desire to make so much big out of it.
On the other hand, if you don't have enough money then you should take a risk who knows luck might shine on you.

Taking the risk and you will not sured on your going to do will make you more loses in to it. suggesting a good activity might help him to gain a big income in trading platform. Don't risk always think for the positive income and not the negative one.

Yes, without risk will not be able to invest. But if you take risks, it's better to choose reliable projects.
Investing can be a good source of stable income

I think you are saying to get into an investment that has almost no risk at all.  I also agree that investment can be a source of stable passive income but be vigilant there are lots of bogus investments scheme.  You should do a thorough research about the company you want to invest in.

Indeed. Most investment scams actually bait people into investing by describing themselves as passive incomes that can double or even triple your money in a short time. I've been a victim of tbat once with btc river and lost around .5 btc due to me wanting to earn the easy way without even checking their information.

We all have lost our money in those sites as we were greedy and looking for quick money without doing any efforts which resulted in loss and for that we cannot blame those sites as it was our own mistake to invest in those sites without doing any research.

Being greedy is the last thing you would want to do while on the internet. There are many such things that are tempting to one or of another person and thus people fall for them. Before putting our money into something we must make sure that the site is legit and not a scam one. If they seem to be not able to explain their mode of income and are shady about it, its more likely to be a scam than a legit. Again many sites are masked in such a way that they seem legit but are actually scam. So its risky as well but we need to use our brains and be careful on the internet to prevent such losses.
9526  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: March 30, 2017, 02:54:43 PM
I don't know but most of the investment through bitcoin is just a HYIP,
So it would just turn into a scam after a couple of days or a week.

There are many investments in the real life and online. Many of them provide us with the cushion of high yields in low time (or claim to do so). If you are not careful you can get tempted by them and end up investing a lot of money in such schemes which are actually scams.

However if you have the basic knowledge of how things work and how the investments provide money to the investors you can easily get a proper and legit investment in many sectors. Real life investments are often more safer than online ones.


That does not mean that all bitcoin investments are scam. You have to segregate the scam ones from legit ones.
9527  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: March 30, 2017, 02:50:38 PM
I don't think there is anything wrong in gambling if you are gambling for fun with small amount but if you are depending on gambling for living and if that is the only your primary source of income then its a big risk and that will surely affect you in long run.

We are gonna lose in the long run , thats a fact however if you know how to do it right then you probably wont be gambling for too long to actually get a profit. Take advantage of those promotions from gambling site, as long as it is EV+ then dont think just go straight for it and you are going to get some profit

If people understand that gambling in games where the odds are against us in the long run leads to more losses than wins then they can minimize their bets and may actually waste less money on them. Gambling on EV+ games is better since you have an edge over others if you can analyse games properly.

What is wrong in gambling is totally on our shoulders. No one makes us gamble, it is our greed that makes us gamble and we can control it.
9528  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: March 29, 2017, 02:54:29 PM
There's no wrong in gambling but if you doing such abusing to the people that surrounds you because of gambling then that's wrong.

No matter what happens with your gambling career as long you aren't hurting your parents and relatives out of this addiction.

Then you are just doing it fine.
True , but gambling identical to something destructive , something that could make you doing crazy thing.
Especially when you have reached the limit of your emotion , you do something out of your mind.
In most case gambling is wrong but not always.

It will be destructive if you are not going to limit yourself playing it. Because the problem is coming from the gambler itself and not from the gambler.

People tend to say that gambling is the wrong thing but they aren't realizing that it's wrong because of wrong treatment to gambling.

They are treating it as their main source of main source of income which is very wrong.

I would say that being greedy desperate and lazy and thinking that gambling will make you rich in a very short time with minimum amount of work involved is wrong. People wont do charity with you and neither does your luck work out a proper times. If you think gambling in a casino will make you rich then you are very much addicted to it and are probably losing more than winning.

We must not forget that to gamble or not to gamble is totally our own personal choice and the concept of right or wrong rests totally in our hands.
9529  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: March 29, 2017, 02:51:20 PM
Hardly would I recommend some other investment besides Bitcoin, but if you can afford to take bigger risks, you can play with some altcoins, not putting too much money into it, of course.

I agree that bitcoin is very safe and sound for any average investor in trading. The current price fluctuations in bitcoin make it a good source of income for the traders and hence its recommended before any other altcoin. Altcoin trading is there but its risky and not recommended. If you know some altcoin is not going to turn scam you are free to invest in it, but there have been many cases of altcoins being pump and dump schemes and pure MLM schemes. So we must be careful about investing in altcoin trading.
9530  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: March 29, 2017, 02:44:41 PM
Bitcoin Casinos are a good source of income, you can automate the process rather easily but it will require an initial investment of about $15-20,000



You cant just declare and initial investment like that. It depends on several factors and its totally a personal opinion what one wants to invest and not.

Bitcoin casino bankroll investments are good, they pay low but they are good for long term benefits. But there is a big risk of websites getting hacked as well. Though most of the reputed sites here have proper security and emergency measures.

However people casino bankroll investment is not gambling. Many people here seem to misinterpret the two and think both to be same.
I don't think casinos or gambling in particular is a way for steady income. I mean the risk you are taking in gambling is high to know that you are really having a steady income. Even if you have an automated betting system it does not give you assurance that you will win all through out your bets. Also the investment you are saying is not appropriate because there is no such thing as investing in a gambling site.

This shows that people dont read what is written in the post before quoting it and answering in this forum.

First of all if you read the last line of my post - "However people casino bankroll investment is not gambling. Many people here seem to misinterpret the two and think both to be same." - means that gambling and casino bankroll investment are totally different.

In case you dont know you should look into the internet for it before commenting that such things dont exist - they do exist and are very popular in the market of bitcoin investments. Crypto-games.net is an example of one such site.
9531  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: March 29, 2017, 02:39:11 PM
Two kinds of people usually come back.
1. winners, they want to make more money, simple logic.
2. losers, they want to win the losses back, sometimes they are lucky enough to make them back, but most cases are losing all money and broke.
These sort of logic really does not work when it comes to gambling,if you are coming back and you want to extract more money i would call that greed because you really do not know when your luck will run out and the biggest mistake in gambling is coming back to recover your loss,i would rather restart once again rather than try to cover my losses.

He is just pointing the usual reason why gamblers keep coming on gambling. Actually this is the summary for all the post here on this thread. This is actually the real thing that happened on gambling. He didn't mean that this logic will gonna make you success on gambling.

I belong on the losers people that keep coming to recover my loss ATM. But soon i will recover it. Just waiting for the right time and money

No logic works as far as gambling is concerned in casino games. In poker and sports betting there is some chance of winning on your own skills and knowledge as you can analyse the games and predict.

I dont understand why people want to do such charity to the casino owners and gamble more and more. Its a marked loss of money if you try to chase your losses because they will just add more losses and with every win there will be more loss than wins.

Anyway good luck on you trying to win back your money.
9532  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: March 28, 2017, 02:55:01 PM
I feel that I can't live without gambling, and that's because I do it for fun. I know that everyone have their own purpose of doing it, and I have that.
I try to gamble I know that what if I lose, it won't affect my life at all and keep doing it because I sometimes win something that nobody can even think about and winning is also a reason that keeps attracting me to do it in a repetitive manner.
i am wondering how can you survive keep gambling in regular time but did not get addicted?

a lot of people have tried it out to gamble for fun without have to care about make profit/money. but still sooner or later it makes them chasing for profit in the end , mostly can not accept the fact they have spent a lot of times / money and all of them just wasted , that is why they come back to play.

Most of them dont survive. Period

Those who gamble away their money for fun and keep the deposits to a minimum without being greedy do survive and manage to enjoy their time. But many people are desperate and greedy for money. They want more and more - never are they satisfied with anything - which is the nature of human greed.

They end up losing a lot and going broke. However many do reform themselves and work hard to earn back their debts as well.
9533  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: March 28, 2017, 02:51:59 PM
Bitcoin Casinos are a good source of income, you can automate the process rather easily but it will require an initial investment of about $15-20,000



You cant just declare and initial investment like that. It depends on several factors and its totally a personal opinion what one wants to invest and not.

Bitcoin casino bankroll investments are good, they pay low but they are good for long term benefits. But there is a big risk of websites getting hacked as well. Though most of the reputed sites here have proper security and emergency measures.

However people casino bankroll investment is not gambling. Many people here seem to misinterpret the two and think both to be same.
9534  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: March 28, 2017, 02:48:46 PM
Previous days had been good enough for alts when a strong fight between Bitcoin and BU spotted fire, but as it is now a thing full of bugs and unable to come into existence soon and may be launched anytime, alt days have gone currently and everyone is getting their investments out of them to put back into Bitcoins because the price will pump back to $1200 level soon. So, I think that it is better to stay in bitcoins itself than moving them into anything and risking your portfolio.

I think there is still life in Altcoin market because the uncertainties surrounding Bitcoin scaling debate is still hanging in the air. I think Altcoin bull market will reached Q3 of this year

So I guess the people can invest in altcoin at the moment. Only those which are going to rise in price in future though. Bitcoin will remain strong and safe as usual even after hard forking. People can invest and trade in bitcoin for many more years to come and it will still be worth it.

Be careful of hyip sites and MLM sites which claim to know a lot and are actually just ponzi schemes run to steal our money. Many altcoins have run scam too so be careful of what you invest in.
9535  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: March 28, 2017, 02:45:28 PM
Gambling is wrong when you over played and when you lose tone of money on it using and asking for debts just to play and fulfill your addiction in gambling. This is why gambling turning into wrong activity but you can avoid it by playing every other week or maybe just control emotion.
failure to control emotions is one of the mistakes when we play gambling. due to emotional instability, we can not play well. we will always fail when it could not cope with it all right.
yes and one of the most difficult job in gambling is to control your emotions, i think most of the people are losing money because they do not have control over their emotions if a person will have control over their emotions then i am sure that they will remain successful in gambling.

If they have control over emotions they can reduce their losses and make sure they dont go broke in the heat of the game. Knowing when to stop and call it a day is important for a gambler. Every gambler has that day once a while they lose a lot and cant make up, but that does not mean we must gamble to chase our losses which in turn leads to more losses.
9536  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: March 27, 2017, 02:38:32 PM
I do not think that gambling make a person lazy as it is not a source of easy money but it only provide some entertainment and if someone will seek for money in gambling then he will fail and only a few lucky people become millionaire in gambling. The main purpose of gambling is to play games for fun and enjoy.

It doesnt however some people do treat it as that. It happened to few people and they lose common sense of their life. It is crazy to see how people are that desperate for money. When you lose your common sense you will do things that you are not supposed to do such as treating gambling as a way for an easy source of money

Desperate for money is one thing and being greedy for money is another thing. Those lazy people we are talking about are the ones who are greedy and wont work hard for the money rather try to use their luck to earn it for them while they take rest on a couch.

Problem is many people do understand the fact that gambling wont bring them much earnings but are still lazy enough to not try to get a job or learn some skills to try to get a job.
Yes but if someone is lazy and doesn't want to work than how will he get money for gamble? Loan maybe and than try to win? It sounds more stupid to me than greedy. IMO opinion greedy person will continue to gamble even if he wins something, it has nothing to do with laziness or job. Many greedy gamblers are actually working hard and than lose all money which is also stupid. 
Its just really stupid for people to work very hard and then spend all and lose all the money they have on playing gambling and i dont know what are the things they do have to their minds to do such act.its just like a suicide thing specially if you do have a family.

In most cases if you go into to look into the lives of such people, you will encounter some broke dude who does not even have a proper income. Maybe they come from some country where GDP is very low and they can even feed themselves twice a meal per day. Its the way they see in trying a desperate mode to try to earn something. Its the pain of the tummy - they say which is unbearable and makes you do all sorts of anti-social stuff other than gambling as well.
9537  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: March 27, 2017, 02:35:10 PM
I suppose into altcoins if you don't already think your Bitcoin is enough of an investment in itself. Coins like Litecoin, Dogecoin, Ethereum, and the like are examples.

First of all be careful about any altcoin that you encounter before you invest in it to trade. Many ICOs here and there have been pure scams and people have lost millions in them by buying it and then prices are so low that they cant even sell for any profit. I wont name any but there are several coins which also just became "dead" and hence not worth investing in them. The remaining few are worth investing in and can give you profits. But even then I still consider altcoin trading to be a very risky job and bitcoin is much safer than that.
9538  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: March 27, 2017, 02:30:48 PM
If you want a steady income then you need to work for it. Your skill and smart ways can make you successful. Bitcoin is being treated as a business because it use for online investments. Investing on the bank roll is better than just playing all around.

Only a job can ensure a steady income. Otherwise whatever method you try to earn from is risky and not "steady". A steady flow of coins? most likely impossible without you doing any hard work.

Bitcoin selling and buying is good and its risky but worth it. If you want to play safe you can trade by buying low and selling high. Mostly you can make profits that way but that is less than daily earnings.

Casino bankroll investing is good, but it is also a long term investment and not for the people who want to make money in a quick manner - which is the majority of this forum.
9539  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: March 27, 2017, 02:25:24 PM
The winning that happens unexpected keep users come back and participate into gambling activities even if failure occurs after a continuous participation.

This is another reason why people get addicted to gambling. When they win big amounts they think their luck to be on their side and that false sense of euphoria which makes them bet more and more. But suddenly that luck is nowhere to be found they end up losing all that they won and back to square one. Then either they deposit more money to gamble more or they walk away. Most of them do the first path and this leads to addiction.
9540  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: March 26, 2017, 10:11:06 AM
I do not gamble to much but it always seems that when I do, I take the loss big time.  For example, I have lost over 3 BTC in the BustaBit game online.  It is fun and I like to play but I always get greedy with it.  I have won about 2.2 BTC back, but I lost more than what I have won.  For some odd reason, I keep coming back over and over.  I do not know why I do it, why do you?

It's 100% gambling addiction, and if that's the case it wouldn't be so easy to surrender it because it may take due process of time. Or the other reason why keeps you coming back over and over is maybe it give satisfaction or fulfillment to the gamblers.

I agree this dude is totally addicted to gambling. 5.5+ BTC lost is a huge amount in my local currency and I cant even think about doing anything but crying if that would have happened to me.

I do not know what type of fun/fulfillment this gives once a person loses everything. Are you doing charity for the casinos? like seriously you should get a job and get a life and stop being addicted since its only going to kill you and your family in the long run.
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