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I understand the difference between local forums and main section, but that’s what I wanted to point out too.
As a small community, we are mainly free from spam and other bounties bs, the “tone” of posts/conversations are keeped high level and so why not, in this scenario the merit system can actually be used as intended.
I hope my local community can be like yours. We've had major problems in Indonesian section as a lot of members only care about money. I don't mean everyone, but yeah, you know what I'm talking about. BTW, there are a lot of people in my community who rank up and gain more than 100 merits like you do OP. Congrats, and welcome to the club. |
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He might be using a tool which can change the last seen time, who knows?
Does such tool even exist? "Who knows?" So, why would joniboini get panicked while the accusation given from the OP is a little bit fishy?
Oh, so I am panicked? Thanks for enlightening me. You have busted up wapinter and some members that have been running an ANN bumping services ? A good try but there is no one who can believe this from a guy like you who do not possess standards, look at me and my post quality, i read whitepapers and understand projects but never run just for money and post shit posts. The reference screen shot you submitted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4566587.msg41158692#msg41158692Group for higer rank members -  Anyone can easily analyze this is made by you to spoil others reputation and spam around the forum with your shit posts. Do you think a manger in the forum is a fool? and easy to become a manager in the forum? Well, at least I know that BitRentX is not stupid enough to check whether that is true or not. -snip-
Analysis:
I notice wapinter is a bounty manager and have better experience with various projects. Being such expertise i cannot even trust your reference screen shot which shows group name itself has a spelling error. higer Vs higher. This is the better evidence you are intentionally trying to pull others into problems in the forum with fake screen shots and simply looping every account names from the Ann thread into a sheet and trying to expose something which they are not.
Well, he is the admin though. You can tell him to fix the spelling error. -snip- From the above message i can understand how easy for you to commit a lie bitcointalk account clearly brings an evidence here your chatting history matches with the details and do not lie even after begging me funds: https://imgur.com/a/XYKWlaGAnd that makes this interesting. I never see someone so stupid as 'me' who post any details that reveal my true self before I wanted to scam someone. I'll be no longer replying this thread 'cause actmyname rebuttals is enough to rebut all the accusations against me. |
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-snip- rather some big manipulators like the ones mentioned could cause this effect or maybe it is just the people involved in crypto are losing their fate? In my opinion, both are equally probable  Increasing more than $400 or dropping $400 only in around 1 hour without any fundamental changes is more likely done by the whales though. Lots of good news are coming up last week but it seems that it doesn't bring a lot of effect to bitcoin prices. Probably there is a lot of hodl-er who sit still on the sideline waiting for the bear to go away. You might wanted to read this: https://medium.com/@super.crypto1/4th-dimension-bitcoin-manipulation-cartel-can-it-be-burnt-no-way-c53de65c166a |
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Poll akan berlangsung seminggu lagi, setelah itu hasilnya akan jadi sebagian dasar pertimbangan apakah thread akan dibuat atau tidak. -snip- saya newbie nyimak dulu biar nambah wawasan sambil baca baca post para senior & mungkin kedepannya bisa ikut diskusi Gak perlu post buat izin nyimak. -snip
Saya sangat setuju dengan pendapat agan singkat dan begitu jelas. Sedikit tambahan dari saya agan walaupun ane masih sebagi pemula atau newbie secara logika tidak mungkin sebuah post kita sama atau terjadi duplikat bila kita mempostnya secara benar dan mengikuti arah peraturan yang ada di SF ini, kecuali kita males membaca Threadnya atau suka mengcopypaste yang sudah ada di post reply. Mohon arah bimbingan suhu bila post ane ada kekurangan
Ini bahan diskusi lama, saya hapus postnya karena merespons hal yang out of date. -snip- mungkin untuk memancing diskusi juga bisa gan,mungkin ada yang punya jawaban berbeda gan tapi memang lebih baik di tanyakan secara individu saja Idem yang di atas. |
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I'm actually more concerned about the spamming that is done by high-ranked members (Member and up). This has become a pain in the ass in my local sub. Just imagine, a legendary ranked member post almost one-liner in all of his posts, doing a quote pyramid, almost like he is too lazy to just post a new reply properly. The roots of all of this problem are, of course, the signature campaign. I don't mean that we should remove it, I just think that bounty managers should be more responsible for checking the post quality of all participants. If all signature campaign being run like ChipMixer, then probably there will be no spamming problem. SMAS blacklist is also great. -snip-
To be honest, I do believe that a "newbies jail" can encourage the people to become a good poster, but if we approach the matter in a really different way than before (for instance, by doing contests in their limited board, by giving them some explanations about the forum, and educating them, giving them awards, and helping them to leave the jail once they get, for instance, 5 merits) .
I think theymos mean that newbie jail is like a barrier that makes new potential member, who wanted to participate for this forum become lazy to do so because they can't go straight to the sub-section or thread that they wanted to participate in. On the other hand, usually, the one who has the motivation to go through all the hassle is someone who wanted to gain 'something' (and I mean money). Eventually, they'll revert back to their spammy posting style after they've gone through it. Meaning: if a post is good enough, then we must give merit, even if it isn't awesome, but if the post is amazing, ok, let us give far more than one merit. If the people see that, by having a decent behavior, they are going able to rank-up, then probably more will try. The actual situation is discouraging people, for, honestly, it is very difficult to rank-up beyond member right now, even if your behavior is quite decent. We need to change our mindset, to try to think again as a newbie, to wear their shoes for a while and to reward all that we are not rewarding now.
Even if merit did not exist, you should not spam in the first place. We are not talking about whether newbies are getting the merit they deserved or not, are we? In a society, when there is no hope, then the people cross the street and become evil, lazy and sad. If we show the people that this is possible to rank-up, truly possible, then probably more will come with a new mindset.
It is possible to rank-up. Check out these profiles (from my local sub): HusnaQA, jillscarbrough, roycilik, abhiseshakana, manji, pandukelana2712, etc. |
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-snip- PingPaid adalah platform dan protokol yang memungkinkan Anda untuk membuat "sumber daya" dan mentransaksikan aset menggunakan blockchain untuk mengamankan pembayaran. PingPaid memungkinkan Anda membuat "sumber daya" bagi industri atau domain apa pun. Beberapa contoh: tempat tidur dan alat mandi, eCommerce, layanan pengiriman uang, dll. Sebagai platform, Anda akan dapat membuat dan mengakses "sumber daya" yang dibuat khusus secara langsung menggunakan teknologi QR Code, dan sistem antarmuka online. Sebagai protokol, Anda akan dapat menggunakan API PingPaid untuk melakukan operasi domain atau industri apa pun. PingPaid saat ini memiliki integrasi dengan beberapa industri: eCommerce, tempat tidur, pengiriman uang, makanan dan minuman, dan lainnya yang dapat dilihat di antarmuka PingPaid BETA yang tersedia di https://www.pingpaid.com/0/Kemampuan protokol melalui PingPaid akan memungkinkan Anda untuk melakukan operasi menggunakan PingPaid API dan platform secara otomatis. Anda dapat membuat dan mengakses sumber daya secara terprogram dan aman. API PingPaid akan menggunakan bahasa markup JSON untuk mengirim dan menerima perintah. PingPaid tidak bersaing, tetapi justru meningkatkan ruang cryptocurrency dengan melengkapi teknologi yang ada dan yang akan datang; dan melepaskan paradigma tanpa batas di ruang cryptocurrency saat ini. Silakan baca buku putih untuk mempelajari lebih lanjut tentang teknologi menarik untuk blockchain ini: Mantep gan translatenya. Google translate sangat membantu ya. Source: GTranslatehttps://archive.li/IX6i9 |
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Sebelumnya mohon ijin kepada pandukelana dan joniboni, karena ane buka Topic ini. saya hanya ingin memberikan beberapa sMerit untuk merayakan account ini naik ke SR (sedikit lebay) sih tapi tak apalah . -snip- Congrats om. You deserve it. Btw, apa gak lebih baik dieksplisitkan berapa smerit yang tersedia buat di-giveaway? Dengan demikian member yang submit di sini bisa mengantisipasi kira-kira mereka bakal dapet jatah atau enggak dilihat dari berapa banyak post yang disubmit di sini dengan smerit yang om jill punyai. Kan sudah jelas thread ini hanya untuk mereka yang sudah punya 9/99/249/499/999 merit. Ini baru satu kok minta direview? |
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Indeed, but the recent cases of bumping was more 'complicated' than the ones we had before (e.g. less obvious, deleting previous posts, etc.). Usually when some "bumping service" was hired, the thread went up in flames very quickly.
They're adapting, I guess. They tried to keep it as natural as possible so that somebody won't know that it was bumped. Because of this, looks like someone has been sending me fake negative trust (around 4 hours after this thread was created) and said that I am a scammer. Oh well.
Welcome to the club. Oh well, never thought I'll be on the same club as you do, Lauda. Now I have a custom title, 'scammer' and 'account farmer'. Damn, I was hoping to be a Lamborghini Refurbished member to compete with hillariousandco. Looks like I need to bury my dreams now. -snip-
Don't forget to archive the whole threads or the proof will be gone. Tagging the newbies and jr. members is a waste of time (this is a forum policy issue), so if someone is going to handle this soon they should focus on the higher-ranking members involved. The group being called 'Group for higer rank members' and having lower ranking members in that list doesn't make sense.
I've archived it here: https://archive.li/Vhzcv.
So far, I think this topic already reach its main purpose (except me being called a scammer and account farmer, ofc), so I'll lock this thread. Thanks. |
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I've just realized this thread today. For god sake, I never sent any message to OP. Funny how this comes up after I've busted up wapinter and some members that have been running an ANN bumping services.
Even if I did wanted to scam someone, how stupid I was to put all the details that directly connect my account?
That is not my telegram, here's my telegram: @nostradamus16 or nostradamus (that is, the profile name). I have a habit of posting @nostradamus16 or nostradamus when I join a bounty in the past. Search for my post history, if you wanted too.
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And the bumping practices continue.  Can you compile a list of involved accounts? Sure. Will update it later.Here's the list. This is the participants that wanted, or already participated on this service based on the spreadsheet. Sorry for the bad format, I'm just too lazy to put bbcode. Taken from Arianee & Varanida spreadsheets (archive above): Taken from MST spreadsheet: I see an unusually low amount of posts in all three threads in comparison to the bumping services that were busted before?
Probably because of the rules. Only 10 posts per week and there must be 2 post gap between their post. Varanida and Arianee have just started, while MST bumping has only been done by some members (look at the spreadsheet). They really wanted to make this looks as natural as possible, IMHO.
And, the spreadsheets have been made private. Wapinter also changed his username in telegram to @iamthekingr. Because of this, looks like someone has been sending me fake negative trust (around 4 hours after this thread was created) and said that I am a scammer. Oh well. |
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-snip- Yeah that would be great.  I have asked him to reply in this thread. Hopefully, soon he can confirm it. |
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Do you have any proof linking Wapinter from chat and Wapinter from bitcointalk. If they both use same id /or have posted same email id or any kind of connection then this case seems easy.
Either way he is on ban I guess.
Wapinter put this link in his profile: t.me/wapinter ( https://archive.li/ZUphb) In that group you'll find that Wapinter (the admin of this group, the regular bounty group I'm talking about) use this username on telegram @LovCrypto.  Wapinter post this username many times in this forum, such as: I am looking for a telegram bot developer with good experience. Please contact me on telegram @lovecrypto for details
Archived: https://archive.li/FVANhhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4492377.msg40408063#msg40408063 | https://archive.li/GmNFg#selection-599.0-607.1Maybe BitRentX can confirm whether the forwarded message that I've sent to him comes from @LoveCrypto or not if it is needed. Either way he is on ban I guess.
Yes, he is. A temporary ban if I'm correct. |
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saya ada sedikit pertanyaan dan kosultasi gan, pada saat saya mengikuti bounty saya pernah salah memasukan wallet address yang mana yang saya masukan itu private key. saat saya meminta untuk di perbaiki kata pihak manager bountynya tidak perlu karena token yang akan dikirim juga akan masuk ke wallet saya. apakah benar itu gan? saat itu saya pernah mendesak untuk tetap meminta menggantinya tapi tetap di tolak.
Walaupun sepertinya bukan membahas tentang Bitcoin, tapi sepertinya ini penting untuk direspons. Sejauh yang saya pahami, tidak benar, format alamat wallet dengan private key itu berbeda. Tidak mungkin token akan masuk ke wallet agan, bisa jadi si manager yang tahu privkey agan maling token" agan. Bounty apa itu? Siapa managernya? |
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I'll make this short. Recently I've joined a group for bounty hunter (limited to Full Member and up) from Wapinter. I thought it was a regular bounty hunter group, but it turns out that this group, from my perspective, is being used to post and manage an ANN Bumping services. Some of the screenshot I've taken before I no longer can access that group (it now becomes a private group, the invitation link that has been shared on Wapinter regular bounty group is no longer valid).   It is a different screenshot, one taken from my phone while the other taken from my laptop of one message. If it is not strong enough you can ask BitRentX about this message, 'cause I've forwarded the exact same message to him before he suggest me to post this in Reputation. So far, here are the projects that I suspect were or are using this service: - ArianeeThread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4036415Proof: on the image above | spreadsheets: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eWIVwuZwRDwhUtBBcObeKjQnNWe7X4M0DKk6hljn_QQ/edit#gid=1231985739 - VaranidaThread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3899791Proof: on the image above | spreadsheets: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eWIVwuZwRDwhUtBBcObeKjQnNWe7X4M0DKk6hljn_QQ/edit#gid=1231985739- MSTThread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3218759Proof: Stupid me, I don't take any screenshot but only keep the spreadsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dW_3YDxGFKiY3ENFJfwswjAywzEUL-Zq-ZIDToS0v8I/edit#gid=34656982Some DT members have tagged members who run or participate in this kind of services (CMIIW), so how about this one? Just in case those spreadsheets will be locked after I post this, I've taken an archive before I created this topic if somebody wanted to paint the participants with some feedbacks. Arianee & Varanida Spreadsheets : https://archive.li/sbksiMST Spreadsheets : https://archive.li/SG4BC |
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Saya perhatikan om belum komentar balik di thread ini, dan beberapa post yang ada di sana menurut saya sudah jadi spam. Sangat disayangkan kalau thread yang relatif baik dibandingkan dengan thread yang lainnya gak ada moderasi OP.
Dan sampai sekarang pun belum. |
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ya memang saya berkali kali pula menjumpai project yang semacam ini namun memang terdapat perbedaan meskipun sedikit dan kurang mencolok. untuk Instant Assets Tokens (IAT) ini. dia memiliki platform yang bernama IAT berfungsi untuk memberi perubahan pada real estate traditional. tentunya ini adalah terobosan baru dan perlu di kembangkan.
Post 2 bulan lalu kenapa direply lagi? Dan lagian itu saya jawab. Apa memang perbedaannya yang sedikit dan kurang mencolok itu? Gak ada respons post saya hapus. -snip-
tentunya membutuhkan dana yang tidak sedikit untuk dapat mengembangkan proyek ini dan saya berharap diadakanya ICO pada proyek ini bisa mengumpulkan dana sesuai dengan target.
Last warning, kalau masih mereply post seperti ini dengan kualitas seperti ini, akan langsung sya hapus. |
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"Sistem Pendahulaun" itu apa dulu gan maksudnya?
Apakah maksudnya bagaimana sih histori pengiriman merit itu diurutkan? Karena sejauh ini yang saya tangkep begitu dari post agan. Agak membingungkan maksudnya kalau pake "Sistem Pendahulaun" (Pendahuluan kali ya)
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gini loh KK joniboni
Kan saya bikin own post dan seperti biasa link adress dr own post tersebut saya simpan di microsoft power point ; nahh kan pas link ntu saya simpan 'own post saya belum tergolong spam dan ternyata setelah post itu terdeteksi oleh official akun facebook proyek ternyata digolongkan spam ,dan saya tidak tau krn tidak meriview lagi post lama saya.
karena ketidaktahuan saya itu saya tetap melaporkankannya dan saat pengecekan oleh tim bounty manager kan link yang saya laporkan kalo dibuka tautannya rusak/tidak ada, nah dr situ saya takut saya dired thrust krn tuduhan melakukan penipuan laporan campaign ( apakah itu bisa terjadi , atau hanya stake kita saja yg tidak dihitung diminggu itu ?
( takut kena red thrust kalo bmnya galak ,kaya lauda contohnya )
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Sejauh yang saya amati, kasus seperti ini (report tapi link-nya gak bisa diakses) tidak akan berakibat pada red-trust. Paling-paling stake agan gak dihitung saja dengan alasan post agan tidak bisa diakses. -snip-
wow ternyata sangat mudah ea gan trima kasih sudah membantu ane gan
Saya hapus. Alasannya: - Ucapan terima kasih seperti ini lebih baik dilakukan via pm saja gan, karena identik dengan spam. - Agan quote posting utuh, yang menyebabkan image juga ikut keload ulang. Sebaiknya di snip saja bagian yang seperti itu agar memudahkan member lain untuk membaca thread ini. saya masih newbie nih masih baru register kebetulan perusahaan saya kan tutup alias failled, bangkrut... ada yang menyarankan buka situs bitcointalk ane pelajarin sampai akhirnya di threed ini, tolong bantu saya cara gabung disini... saya sama sekali gk paham
Post saya hapus. Selain karena meragukan cerita agan, pertanyaan agan kurang jelas arahnya. Kalau mau tahu bagaimana cara 'bergabung' dalam arti berkontribusi menjadi member forum, silakan pelajari dulu rules, baca pinned thread dst. Kalau mau 'bergabung' dalam arti nyari cara dapet uang dari bounty, baca OP thread ini dan silakan tanyakan yang belum paham. |
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The first step is to learn about trading, of course. You can do it easily, as internet nowadays makes it easier to access a great content for learning. Babypips, Tradingview, as well as some books about trading or crypto trading will help you a lot. Of course, you can also search and read lots of thread in this sub-forum (there's actually a lot of thread that basically the same with this thread). Learn both technical, fundamental and sentiment analysis. In the long run, you'll be able to use them wisely as long as you've been practicing it a lot. You can also try some trading simulator such as such as Investopedia, or etc. The next step you should do is to select a good/proper exchange.
However, you should not wait until you become an expert before you go trading, you can do it while you learn. Of course, only use the money you're prepared to lose. Don't use all of your lifesaving 'cause it might destroy yourself.
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